If you love the Ford Bronco and Chevy Blazer, you need to respect the International Scout. It was a true trend setter. This video shows why. For information on buying this vehicle, send email to: paulcrosiervt@gmail.com
I noted a couple of things when the hood was up: 1) the steering shaft was massive relative to the size of this vehicle, and 2) the heater core on the fender well rather than under the dash would make anyone smile if they ever had to fiddle around under the dash replacing the heater core on something else plus deal with wet carpets.
I remember the 1970 Bronco with the cab body had the bulkhead between the passenger area and the open bed. On the Scout with the enclosed bed area, the bulk head wasn’t installed.
hello, ford foxbody fans.... the only time you ever wished you didn't have AC was replacing the heater core--just pull it out of the glovebox like a VCR tape. Otherwise, to keep that $20 part from leaking all over your carpet was an $800 visit to the mechanic--or you did it all yourself.
In 1961, Pontiac also offered a 1/2 of their 389 V8 as a 4 cylinder in the Tempest. As a side note, the Toyota Land Cruiser used an OHV straight six that looked so much like the Chevy 235, that it seemed you could interchange parts.
Correct on the Pontiac 4 cylinder. Friend of mine had a ‘62 Tempest with that engine. Funny looking- like they put a 389 through a giant bandsaw. Transmission was mounted at the rear axle. Goofy little car.
@frankfurther3828 True & Volvo in late 50's bought patents from 46' Ford the inline 6 engine lost a couple cylinders & the 444 & 544 looked like a scaled-down version of 46' Ford
More trivia: GM built those Pontiac, Buicks and Olds F85's on the Corvair floorpan, which is why you get the IRS mentioned in "My Cousin Vinny". GM really had plans for the Corvair, but the Nova and Mustang outsold it. Meanwhile, the 215 V8 in the Buick cars would create a Y6, which is a "bent 6" with a deep skirt design. that Y block design was because the 215 was an aluminum block and needed the strength. The 215 V8 design would be sold to British Rover, show up in Land Rovers and be the "chevy 350" swap for Morris Garage fans. the 225 cid Y6 would get sold to Jeep, who called it the "Dauntless" and GM would buy it back in the late 1970's and then put a turbo on it...before making it into the famous Grand National.
Among the junkers behind my Dad's shop when I was a kid was a 63 Scout and a 70 Plum Crazy Road Runner, when we played army we played in the Cornbinder, when we pretended to be Richard Petty we did it in the Plymouth. We didn't hang out in the windowless Econoline much until we were a little older and kept our contraband in there
The last light duty IH was the scout II, and the last one rolled off the line in October of 1980. In the Bankruptcy re-org, light trucks got the ax, tractors went to Case, and medium & heavy trucks were purchased by Navistar.
I also was fascinated to find in my in-laws’s barn a 1945 IH freezer that was in use until it died as a result of the power failure from Hurricane Andrew in 1991- There was an IH refrigerator on the set of Friends- in the girls’ apartment.
The UAW strike was in 1980. The merger with J I Case happened in 1984 and that was the end of International Harvester. Case primarily wanted the International combine.
I learned to drive in a 68 Scout 800 my dad bought new. We plowed lots of snow and moved a few garages with that old boy. Twice cars ran stop sign and ran into it and the plow. Both cars were totaled. Nobody ever got too warm with that heater. The vacuum wipers were awesome too. Thanks for posting
I was under the impression that the IH 304 was a totally different engine from the AMC304- it was a heavy duty engine used in medium duty trucks desiderata about 300k before needing an overhaul. There was later a slightly larger slant 4 offered - I had the one on the cover of your 76 dealer phamplet. Talking about austere- A roof of any kind was an option.
Correct. He misspoke on that. No AMC V8s were used in Scouts, only the 232 or 258 straight sixes. The V8s were IHC and had no relation to the AMC V8s, despite both being 304 CID. If anything, the engine shown here is "half of an SV-304 IHC V8".
@@googleusergp I agree, I worked on an International 1700 1974 truck with the 304, and it didn't look anything like an AMC 304 . International also had a 392, it sure enough couldn't be confused with a Chrysler 392 hemi engine either.
I don't know about the floor and frame but the out side looks pretty dam good. Not to long ago one of those came on auction. Fully restored with factory Meyer plow set up like jeep and dodge had. Pretty cool. Thanks Steve
I wish they would bring back the manual transmission too, when I was a kid, no guy in high school wanted an automatic, just wasn't cool. Now most kids don't know how to drive a manual transmission, that's sad.
Fun fact: Some international dealerships had a promotional deal that when you bought certain models of tractors or other equipment, you would get a free scout
Well, if you were dropping 3/4 of a million on a combine harvester, and making them $50K in profit, I'm sure they felt it was pretty easy to write off the $1000 in profit they'd make off a $10K light line truck, plus they could keep you coming back to the dealership for tune-ups and repairs that they could charge you for.
International Harvester was under scrutiny in the early part of the 1900s because they held 80% of the grain binder market. They marketed their equipment as International Harvester but the tractors as McCormick-Deering. International stopped building pickups and the scout when UAW striked Harvester in 1980. By 1984 IH merged with J I Case. The industrial division was bought by Dresser and the heavy truck division became just International. One of the best tractors ever built was the Farmall M.
I worked for an IH truck dealer in 61 when those scout's were brandy New they sold about 6 of then with plows during the year or so that I worked for them ! in NJ (Snow Country ) !!
I liked the Scout the moment I saw the first one. They were not common in Europe. Everyone knew the Bronco, Blazers and Jeeps. A schoolmate returned to Switzerand with her family from Florida. They loved their Scout II so much, that they brought it over. The vehicle looked absolutely identical to the one on the brochure. It was not common to drive to school in a car here. Me in my little FIAT and the girl in the Scout were the only ones in the entire school who owned a car and drove those vehicles there on a daily basis.
To quote you, Steve, "...shows how far we've come." Indeed, but in many ways have we gone too far? Too much tech, too much isolation in modern vehicles for my taste.
Every time I see a first gen Scout, I am reminded of the one Burt Reynolds drove in the Movie Deliverance. Thanks for another cool video. Hope you are doing well sir😎
Good morning all. Really great video and overview of the Scout history and I will mostly agree with you on the engine timeline except that I owned a 1967 Socut 800 that came with the "factory 345 V8" so it had to have been available at least by then rather than 1968
What a cool truck. IH was in interesting company. They made refrigerators (you can see one on the TV show Friends) and over 300K M1 Garand rifles for the Korean War.
There was an International Harvester Dealership in the town I grew up in. They had tractors and combines and other farm equipment. They also had Scout's.
IH farmed the optional straight 6 to amc, but that big block 4 banger was made in chicago by International, they ran out of 392 in the end and some 400amc motors where used in place...
The scout was built in my town, Fort Wayne, IN. A group has formed a car/truck show held in august called the ‘Harvester Homecoming’ at the old factory you should look it up! Great event tons of scouts and IH trucks. They even let em drive them around on the original test track.
That’s exactly the way I feel about the little Ford Rangers I have owned! While they are certainly sophisticated compared to a 60’s era Scout, compared to modern vehicles they are a joy! No blinking screens, ringing chimes, or flashing lights! Just me, the steering wheel, a few simple controls, and the sound of the tires humming on the road!
@@waynetaylor8082 True, I had an 88 Dodge Dakota, 3.9 V6, 5 speed manual transmission with 4X4, a fairly simple vehicle, easy to work on, was very dependable, and durable. I never wanted a 4X4 but after I drove it in a snow storm, I decided I never wanted to be without a 4X4 .
@@bertgrau3934 Myself I'm still driving a 30+ year old F-150. It has manual front hubs, window cranks (draws some strange looks at the drive thru), etc. All I can say is NO PAYMENTS, a couple repairs yearly?!!
@@waynetaylor8082 Sounds good. I have a 2012 F150 , and a 2001 Lincoln Town Car, both good vehicles with lots of crazy stuff, I don't like the vacuum system for the 4 wheel drive system. I sold my 88 Dakota. I miss it.
By 62-63 the bulkhead became bolt-in and removable. On this particular Scout 80 it is removable and the heater assembly is on the right so it must be at least a 64.
I'm in Oregon, can't sleep .... Intercrashional meant it when they said All Wheel Drive factory front & rear posi. 304 AMC & INTERNATIONAL Engine totally different.. but goddammit Steve, you rarely goof up & it's all good.Hope we get a glimpse of that 54' ? Studbugger
Steve, that is half an International V8. Nothing to do with AMC. The steering boxes for those Scouts was excellent to be used in Speedway cars. That 'wall' is imperative for people carrying goods. You do not need your tools, bale of wire etc sliding into the cab under braking or a crash.
so..i’ve waited for 3 -4 episodes for that 65 buick right behind the falcon..hopefully it will be tomorrow’s episode..dads got a 65 225 convertible..been in a garage not driven since 78..not started since 83…i need help getting it going..all there unmolested in a dry garage..ILL GIVE YOU MY MODEL COLLECTION..!!!hahahaha
That is one of the easiest heater cores to replace, but here in south Texas I don't see any heater at all in the older Scouts. They were used on many ranches. Volkswagen now owns the rights to the Scout and intends to produce an electric Scout.
Scout bulkhead was only fixed for the first two years, it was removable by '63, well before Bronco ever came out. So that was not why... Also Bronco half cabs have a bulkhead too...
The only heater box I know of that is simpler is in the early Mini's Yes its in the cabin but as it hangs under the package tray you simply remove the hoses (2 water and 2 defroster) and a wire for the light then remove 2 screws and lift the entire box off of its hanger to remove the entire unit from the car. The core, fan and controls are all contained in the box
The one thing you have wrong here, is that the 152 4 cyl engine is NOOT half of the amc 304. The 152 is half ov the international harvester 304. Not at all related to the amc 304. The amc 304 is a small block engine and the 304 international is a big block design engine. Many people get the two mixed up. But there is no relation between the two 304 engines other than the cubic inches.
I like simplicity, add a few modern safety requirements, I`d love to buy a new one! Maybe a Chinese company can buy the tooling and build these. I had a friend back in the day who owned one, good times before we get it stuck. Don`t let a girl drive hahaha
The AMC 304 is not the International 304. AMC didn't even have a 304 until 1970. International did use some AMC 6 cylinders and around 1974 International did buy some 401s and use them in the Travelalls. They ran short of their 392 motors. On a side note, it would have helped AMC in later years if they had developed their own 4 cylinder.
The scout also needed to have some engineering for replacing the starter.. Most mechanics cut holes in the floorboard to get to the bolts rather than pull the engine.. Bronco never had an issue like that!! ;)
great shows but International actually built their own 304 V8 which had nothing to do with the AMC V8. AMC came out with the 304 in 1970. International did use some AMC engines later on like the 401 in the Travelall.
Sorry to correct you, the only AMC engine used in early Scouts was a 232 inline 6. The slant 4s were all IH. Later on they also used the AMC 258, plus a Nissan I6 diesel. I forgot to mention the 266, 304 and 345 IH V8s.
After the 7.3 diesel went out of production, there was talk that International a line of diesel engines used in F250 and up. It was in the area of 6.0 liter engine and it did generate critics. The Scout seems overbuilt by today's standards.
I really wish VW was going to make the new EV ones with at least the option to be as bare bones as the original. But they are going to be luxury cars with more computing components than every maned spaceflight combined.
Not half of an AMC engine, half of an IH v8. The only thing an amc 304 and IH 304 share is their displacement, but they're about as similar as a Buick 350 is to a Chevy 350. Also, the first scout v8 was the 266. International never had a 288.
My grandparents owned a scout 2 back in the late 70s and 80s, my grandma still talks about it as her favorite vehicle she's ever had. She says it was simple but unstoppable
I bought a 1966 half cab Scout about six years ago in close to that condition for $600. And even though I had to get a bonded title I was really fortunate to find one for so little. Absolutely can’t wait to start working on it. Such great styling. Thanks Steve.
My wife and I had an Ice Cream truck many years ago. It was a small Metro step van, and it had that same 152 engine. Slow, but reliable as heck. Never let us down.
Mr. B. Here ! Morning! These vehicles were simple tools for day ! Most people today would not give them a second look . Sad that stuff like these vehicles are not made today .
@@captaintoyota3171 If I may how many people need vehicles over 6000 lbs for daily drivers and then cry fuel prices are high ! Think about the money they would have if they got the right vehicle for there needs, I could go on the cost has become nuts .
@@zairomolino4074 Mr. B. Very true , we as consumers have let marketing and the manufacturers & those we elect to tell fellow Americans how to run there financial and finance, everyone of us knows what is best for our family, what is good for you may not work for me or your fellow Americans. Am retired from the automotive industry, my daily driver now is 1976 GMC Sprint cost to maintain for is very low , do the work myself ! The Mrs. Has the new vehicle and that is what works for us ! This may not work for all !
Right at the end of Scout II production they offered the Nissan diesel, which initially was a dog but they then offered the turbo version which was well received. (I think the engine was called the D33?)
What a super cool find there Steve!! The unicorns you're focusing on in this Vermont series is top notch!! Cannot thank you enough for all the literature you provide and super Shane's handy dandy camera work!!
Umm No... There was never ever any slant 4s or V8 AMC engines factory installed in any Scout ever. We only installed I6 AMC engines such as the 232 and 258 straight 6. The 4 cylinder there in the Comanche is a true red IH Iron 152 or 196 cid engine.those respectively redesigned having one cylinder bank from IH SV 8 304 and 392 cid engines respectively. If a Scout has any other engine that would be the result of a mod. Now on the other hand, when we tested mules on rare occasion we used Chrysler or Ford engines. Good job otherwise in your video. Nice find.
This is actually a 1964 or 65 Scout 80. On the one you have there the bulkhead is removable. The heater/core is a later model the 1961 had the heater on the driver side. in 1968 the 266 was available to be replaced by the 304 in 1969.
Thats true. I must have one of the earliest. My one was produced a few weeks before the walk through was launched in June. Its original and was orderd with the bulk but was canceled by hand on the LST and comes with walk trough. Wrote with Jim Allen about that, and at the moment it is by far the earliest one he has on file. At the moment the car is in restoration here in Germany.
@@guidovogelsang8274 I've got a 62 (not sure the month it was born) with the full top (I believe it was actually called a Travel Top, but that may have been the moniker they gave the SUV tops for the Scout II), but mine still has the bulkhead in it. So I've just got this wall behind the seats. I'd like to find a pickup top (Cab Top?) for my '62, that way it matches my '73 Scout II with the Cab Top.
Love how you kept saying it's a 61 when it's a 64 or 65 Scout. Besides also love it when you kept saying Scout one instead of 61 to 65, Scout 800 66 to 71 and Scout 2 from 71 to 80. 61/62 had sliding door window, 63 to 71 had roll up windows. Heater in 61-63 had the heater box on left side (drivers side) while 64 to 71 had it on the right side (passenger side). Wiring on 61-63 had no plug in connectors thru the firewall for wires. 61 to 65 Scout 80 had the fold down windshield while 66 to 71 Scout 800 had a fixed windshield. Scout 80 had a flat dashboard while Scout 800 had more of a contorted dashboard also Scout 80 had two gauges while Scout 800 had five individual gauges. 61 and 62 came with a standard bench seat while 63 to 71 had bucket seats. You were looking at a Scout with a removable bulkhead, there was 3 options as fixed bulkhead, removable bulkhead and a walk thru model. Scout 80 had wipers on top of the windshield while Scout 800 had wipers on the bottom of the windshield. Scouts came with the 152 ci then got the 194ci/194ci turbo, AMC 232 I6, 266ci v8 and 304ci v8
This is the comment I scrolled down looking for, I've a 61', you touched on all the points that had me scratching my head. Sure wish I had the wing windows & roll ups on mine though, come spring, taking my sliders clean off.
I had a ‘63 built just like this. Loved it. The doors come off also. One thing- a washboard dirt road would turn this short wheelbase Scout sideways in a heartbeat!
Fun story about washboarded gravel roads and my Scout. I was coming home from visiting a buddy at his lake cabin in northern Idaho, and there was about 30 miles of highway they were re-doing, and I got caught behind two brand new Corvettes going about 20 MPH so they wouldn't chip up their paint. It took a few miles for the oncoming traffic and one lane road to open up where I could pass them, but it felt soooo good passing a couple sports cars in an old beater Scout II. Had my top off and everything.
The IH V8’s of that design were available in 266, 304, 345 & 392 ci. The 4 cylinders were 152 and 196 ( half a 392) ci Thank you for the video Mr. Magnante
So glad you said that. I like Steve’s work but yes thatAMC comment is a myth that won’t die. International bought the Jeep six for the Scout and the 401 V8 for the full size pickup, but never the 304 . The 266/304/345 IH heavy duty pickup engines were all adapted to the Baja Binder we grew up loving.
