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Noether's Theorem Explained (Part 2/6) - Momentum and Spatial Translations 

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[Undergraduate Level] - In this video I prove that total linear momentum is conserved when a system has a spatial translational symmetry. In part 4 of my series I give a general proof for why symmetries give conservation laws. In this video I am just working out a specific example.

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@RooftopDuvet
@RooftopDuvet Год назад
Thanks for these. This is what maths and physics videos should be: slow and laboured and having all of the little trains of thought and possible misconceptions addressed. This is the advantage that RU-vid has over traditional time-constrained lectures, and it's refreshing when creators actually use that advantage.
@yonghaolu1273
@yonghaolu1273 9 месяцев назад
these videos restored my love for classical mechanics. it's utterly amazing seeing the elegance in noether's theorem, and really help to ease the repetitiveness of being a second-year physics major.
@070011010jh
@070011010jh 3 года назад
beautiful explanation! thanks so much :)
@haya4895
@haya4895 4 года назад
thank you thank you thank you!! keep it up!
@joelcurtis562
@joelcurtis562 3 года назад
I'm missing where you used the fact that the Lagrangian is invariant under the transformation? You used the fact that the actual trajectory is an extremal of the action, but I don't see you use the invariance of the Lagrangian under space translation. Am I missing something?
@noahexplainsphysics
@noahexplainsphysics 3 года назад
The invariance does matter but it may not be apparent how on a first pass. In the fourth video in this series I explain why this procedure works in general (and why the invariance matters) in more detail. In fact, if the Lagrangian weren't invariant under spatial translation then the total momentum would not be conserved but would in fact change in time. (There would be a net force.) I demonstrate this for angular momentum and rotations in the next video.
@madhavsirohi2225
@madhavsirohi2225 11 месяцев назад
Hi! I was wondering whether the epsilon of t corresponds to a translation as a variation, if so, it feels unlike simply adding a displacement vector to shift all coordinates, that this is a translation which is a function of time, does it sit well with our earlier intuition of shifting coordinates?
@luukvandenakker7838
@luukvandenakker7838 Год назад
Could you say the conserved quantity defines an equivalence relation that partitions the set of all variations epsilon(t)? E.g. all epsilon(t) that preserve linear momentum make up an equivalence class?
@alberto_7683
@alberto_7683 2 года назад
Awsome videos :)
@achmadazmirahmanu355
@achmadazmirahmanu355 5 лет назад
can i ask you something, when you come to solve integral use integral by part, in the first part the total always zero because E(t1)=Et(2)=0; but i think at the second part we could do the same because we both have E(t), so why you conclude that d/dt(m1dx/dt) + d/dt(m2dx/dt) which responsible for zero (not E(t) like first part)?
@noahexplainsphysics
@noahexplainsphysics 5 лет назад
The key idea is that E(t)≠0 for any t. It is true that E(t1) = E(t2) = 0, but if t≠t1 and t≠t2, E(t) does not have to be zero. In fact, the point is that we can choose E(t) to be any function we want as long as E(t1) = E(t2) = 0. If we have that the integral of E(t)*f(t) is 0 no matter what E(t) is, then we must have that f(t) = 0 for all t. The reason for this is that, if there were some t0 for which f(t0)≠0, then we could choose E(t) to be a little "bump" at t0, so that the integral of E(t)*f(t) would not be zero. This is the most important trick of Lagrangian mechanics. For more information, watch my video on the Principle of Least Action, where I use that trick to derive Newton's law F = ma.
@lucashoffses9019
@lucashoffses9019 3 года назад
Is there a difference between x bar and x when you switch to 1 dimension? I sometimes see x_1(t) and I’m confused why it’s not xbar_1(t).
@noahexplainsphysics
@noahexplainsphysics 3 года назад
The action S is a function of a path. So you plug in a path, say x(t), and you get the action of the path S[x(t)]. In the beginning of the video I show that the action doesn't change under a translation, so S[x(t)] = S[x(t) + a], where here "a" is a constant vector added to the path. Note that this is true for any arbitrary path x(t). Even if x(t) is some random squiggly path that doesn't minimize the action, x(t) and x(t)+a have the same action. Now, xbar(t) is the "true path," the one that minimizes the action. When we make a tiny variation and expand out the equation δS = 0, we are expanding around the true path xbar(t), not any old arbitrary path x(t). So to reiterate: the action S has a translation symmetry after translating any path x(t) by a constant vector, but the equation δS = 0 only holds for variations around the true path xbar(t).
@lucashoffses9019
@lucashoffses9019 3 года назад
@@noahexplainsphysics ah. That makes more sense. Thank you!
@tirthankarsengupta6358
@tirthankarsengupta6358 3 года назад
I have a question. It has been assumed that epsilon_1(t) = epsilon_2(t) = epsilon(t). Why is this assumed ? Conservation of momentum should follow in the most general case where the perturbations for particles 1 and 2 are not the same i.e. epsilon_1(t) is not equal to epsilon_2(t).
@barash3603
@barash3603 3 года назад
I am not entirely sure nor qualified to comment but it may be because a translation of the system by a function ε would affect every particle identically?
@alejandrovicente9927
@alejandrovicente9927 2 года назад
Well in that general case while the kinectic energy will still be preserved, the potential energy will change, remember the potential energy given by V depends upon the distance of the particles so if you pick epsilon_1 different from epsilon_2 the potential energy will change in some time intervals, and while in some lucky cases the time integral of V can still be conserved, this is not the general case. Basically making them equal proves there is a continuos 1 parameter group acting as a symmetry, while if your case were also true you would have a continuos 2 parameter group acting as symmetry which could be thought of as two continuos 1 parameter groups acting, then by Noether's theorem we woild have two preserved quantities,that is, another one besides the total momentum. This part I think is not possible because then you have three quantities preserved (including the lagrangian), but this is only possible if the third quantity is linear combination of the first two
@folepi7995
@folepi7995 3 года назад
Not a commonly discussed topic, thanks for sharing. question: at 14:44 you can see: top left: x(t) satisfies eom. and on the bottom right: x(t) stationary. why do you choose it to be stationary? isnt it satisfiying partial S for all t, because it is chosen to satisfy the eom?
@noahexplainsphysics
@noahexplainsphysics 3 года назад
"The term "stationary" means that any variation of \bar{x}(t) doesn't change S to the first order in epsilon, i.e. 𝛿S[ \bar{x}(t)] = 0. In other words, if \bar{x}(t) satisfies the equation of motion, then it makes S "stationary" with respect to small variations.
@folepi7995
@folepi7995 3 года назад
@@noahexplainsphysics thanks for the clarification! Your efford is really appreciated! If you have a link for donations or similar, you could drop it in the video description
@jchan1912
@jchan1912 4 года назад
Can I ask something? why can we assume that boundary condition epsilon_1 = epsilon_2 = 0?
@noahexplainsphysics
@noahexplainsphysics 4 года назад
Fix a starting point, an ending point, a starting time t_1 and an ending time t_2. The Principle of Least Action states that the path which a particle takes from the start point at t_1 to the end point at t_2 is the one which minimizes the action S. Therefore, in order to use the Principle of Least Action to get the equations of motion, we must consider all little tiny variations around the path which, crucially, have the same start and end points! (This is because the action is only minimized for the set of all paths which start and end at the same points.) That is, we consider all paths x(t) + ε(t) where ε(t_1) = ε(t_2) = 0. So it is not an "assumption" as much as a requirement necessary to use the Principle of Least Action. If you want more details, I discuss this more in my video on the Principle of Least Action.
@jchan1912
@jchan1912 4 года назад
@@noahexplainsphysics Your answer is great. It confirms what I thought as well. You are the best and thanks
@cjk32cam
@cjk32cam 2 года назад
It seems sufficient to assume only epsilon(t_1) = epsilon(t_2) without assuming that they’re zero. Isn’t it correct to only assume this: Given that we’re exploiting translational symmetry, we also want to translate the start and end points of our path.
@lorenzovanni743
@lorenzovanni743 3 года назад
Hi, great video, I have only one question: why epsilon has to be a function of time, a traslation is not a funcion of time, and why it has to be infinitesimal, a traslation is also not infinitesimal.
@noahexplainsphysics
@noahexplainsphysics 3 года назад
Usually when dealing with Lagrangian mechanics, we only think about infinitesimal variations. This is because the action of the true path doesn't change to the first order in a tiny variation, which is how you can prove statements in the subject. There's not really a way to use finite (not infinitesimal) symmetries in Lagrangian mechanics to prove stuff. As for why the translation is time dependent when translations aren't usually time dependent, (and I admit the logic is a bit subtle) it's because this is how the trick works. The Lagrangian is invariant under a constant (not time dependent) translation. However, if you instead consider a time dependent tiny translation, and consider how the action S changes to the first order, you can use that 𝛿S = 0 is true for the actual physical path and show this implies the conservation of momentum. So the time dependent tiny translations should be thought of as a tool to derive the conservation law. I explain this logic more explicitly in my fourth video in this series, which might clear up some of your confusions.
@lorenzovanni743
@lorenzovanni743 3 года назад
@@noahexplainsphysics Thank you so much !
@KipIngram
@KipIngram 4 года назад
Ok, so one part of this I don't get. Yes - we wrote the Lagrangian for a general two-body system, and we showed that the Lagrangian of that system was constant under space translation. Ok, great. Then we showed that momentum is conserved. But it's not clear to me that momentum is conserved BECAUSE OF THE SPACE TRANSLATION INDEPENDENCE. You could have shown momentum was conserved without including that part. You chose a system that has momentum conserved to start with. So I claim that the translation independence had nothing to do with it.
@noahexplainsphysics
@noahexplainsphysics 4 года назад
That is a good question which I do not address in this video but I address in parts 3 and 4 of this series. It turns out that if you write a Lagrangian which does not have a space translation symmetry, namely if the change in the Lagrangian under a tiny translation parameterized by ɛ is 𝛿L = ɛA where A ≠ 0, then the linear momentum P isn't conserved in time, and in fact dP/dt = A. This means that A is a net force. So yes, when we have a symmetry we get that our quantity is conserved, and when we don't have a symmetry we get that our quantity isn't conserved.
@KipIngram
@KipIngram 4 года назад
@@noahexplainsphysics Ah -cool. I will force ahead then. Guess I was getting greedy. :-)
@waylandsmith8666
@waylandsmith8666 4 года назад
Good job, but this whole presentation would go much faster, and be more general, if you used vector notation.Or don't your students know about vectors?
@hyperduality2838
@hyperduality2838 4 года назад
Symmetry is dual to conservation -- the duality of Noether's theorem. Duality is being conserved -- the 5th law of thermodynamics! Energy is duality, duality is energy. Potential energy is dual to kinetic energy. Gravitation is equivalent or dual to acceleration -- Einstein's happiest thought, the principle of equivalence.
@sdkaraarslan
@sdkaraarslan 6 месяцев назад
it sounded pretty fake HAHAHAHAH im dying lol
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