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Non-Equatorial Space Elevators 

Isaac Arthur
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Space Elevators offer the possibility of ultra-cheap space travel for all, but even if we find strong enough materials to build one, can we place them near our cities or only on the equator?
See our episode Space Elevators for more details: • Space Elevators & Orbi...
Produced, Written & Narrated by: Isaac Arthur
Graphics by: Phil Swan, Alastair Swan
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@skynet5828
@skynet5828 Год назад
Personally, I like the tethered ring more, but anything that gives us easy access to space is good.
@johnassal5838
@johnassal5838 Год назад
its the only one fully within reach of current tech. it does suffer from not really being effective below a certain large size but it's still a great way to store/transit power long distances finally making solar viable without secondary sources or electricity storage beyond what the ring can carry kinetically. lift one just outside the Arctic circle and connect potentially all the northern hemisphere power grids with something also capable of peak storage as well as directly mounting enough thin film solar to supply a large fraction of global power 24/7. perhaps even support enough IR blocking shades to keep the northern permafrost from dumping all it's CO2 and methane. that alone would knock at least a decimal place off the costs of climate change.
@johnwang9914
@johnwang9914 Год назад
The ring must still encompass the planet and no matter where the drops from the ring are, the ring itself would still cross the equator at two points as well as be a navigational hazard to many orbits and many launches. Orbital Rings would also be very vulnerable to damage by space junk. A buoyant and ballasted or anchored marine spar style space launch tower of only a few tens of miles tall could serve the purpose of allowing space craft launches above the lower atmosphere and would be only a fraction of a percentage of the size and difficulty of a over 22,000 mile sky elevator or the possubly more massive orbital rings which must encompass the globe.
@johnwang9914
@johnwang9914 Год назад
​​@@johnassal5838There are lesser space tower proposals of only a few tens of miles tall versus the in excess of 22,000 mile tall geosynchronous space tower and single wall nanotubes only reach 70% of the tensile strength needed by the space elevator (though multiple, filled or force reinforced nanotubes might suffice). If anything the space elevator is still unachievable by our current technologies whereas there are alternatives that are less than 1% of the difficulty such as buoyant marine spar like towers that are within our technology but simply do not capture the public's imagination. Now, a space elevator for the Moon and even for Mars which is only 11% the mass of Earth might be within our current technology.
@Mger47TheGamePegasus
@Mger47TheGamePegasus Год назад
Imagine one day you'll always see the tether when the light is right.
@KA-vs7nl
@KA-vs7nl Год назад
We will terraform Venus before we create a space elevator.
@obj_obj
@obj_obj Год назад
@@KA-vs7nl while terraforming venus is easier than mars it’d still be extremely time consuming
@ebonaparte3853
@ebonaparte3853 Год назад
@@KA-vs7nl Yeah, no. That would take centuries to millennia. This can be done in about a century.
@johnwang9914
@johnwang9914 Год назад
Nano tube arrays when arranged appropriately can absorb almost all light so the tethers could be made to not be visible at all (Ventablack). Besides, the teether reflections would probably be less destructive to astronomy than our current low earth orbit constellations such as Skylink. Also, there are far less massive alternate spacecraft launch solutions that could achieve the same goals as a geosynchronous Skyelevator or Orbital Ring.
@johnwang9914
@johnwang9914 Год назад
​@@KA-vs7nlDepends on the degree of terraforming you expect to be acceptable with Venus. Increasing it's diurnal rotation to prevent the formation of hypervelocity winds which form the complete insulating and high albedo cloud layer which prevents heat from radiating from the surface or being absorbed from the Sun and hence the heat prevents water from being retained by the atmosphere and reacting with the carbon dioxide to sequester it as carbonites from the atmosphere over time would likely be even more unreasonable by many orders of magnitude than building a geosynchronous space elevator. Yes, mirrors and shading has been proposed as alternatives to increasing the diurnal rotation of Venus but that too would be a megastructure many times more massive than a space elevator for Earth. About the only Venus colonization proposal that would be more likely that an Earth Space Elevator would be floating cities in the atmosphere of Venus (or Saturn). Now I do believe the geosynchronous space elevator for Earth is unreasonable to expect but that's because there are megastructure proposals that are many times less massive which could achieve the same goals as a space elevator or Orbital Ring. Note that terraforming Venus does not achieve the same goals as an Earth space elevator.
@massimookissed1023
@massimookissed1023 Год назад
Gotta be quick with the drink & a snack with these RU-vid shorts.
@FirstArchon
@FirstArchon Год назад
i just sucked down a redbull and a bag of popcorn in under 10 seconds i think half of it is in my left lung
@HalitZiyaKARTAL
@HalitZiyaKARTAL Год назад
​@@FirstArchoni laughed thanks:)
@brentneumeyer3088
@brentneumeyer3088 Год назад
Interactive learning: You need links, smarter and faster is ai done yet
@ivoryas1696
@ivoryas1696 Месяц назад
This thread.... 💀💀💀
@KarlRosner
@KarlRosner Год назад
Non equatorial space elevators are a central idea behind my RPG setting. I hope we can see them in our lifetime.
@KA-vs7nl
@KA-vs7nl Год назад
We are never getting off this rock in our lifetimes, ✡️ have different plans
@PhilfreezeCH
@PhilfreezeCH Год назад
I think the thether being away from most of civilization is a feature, not a bug. This piece of infrastructure would be so god damn expensive it would basically make it necessary to defend it against any possible threat, that is a lot easier to do if you can start from scratch in the middle of nowhere.
@iivin4233
@iivin4233 Год назад
Here's the thing. If you are an equitorial nation, you might want to drum up some IMF loans and build one of these things. Afterward, you might find that a major city or two has sprung up on the equator.
@filmmassa
@filmmassa Год назад
Kickstarter for an equatorial country wrecked by neocolonialism, be the Silk Road for the space age
@hil449
@hil449 Год назад
@@filmmassa Brazil is a thing you know lol
@isaacarthurSFIA
@isaacarthurSFIA Год назад
Sounds a nice idea in some ways since so many of those countries could use economic development but a century or too later they'd have a monopoly on space travel.
@KA-vs7nl
@KA-vs7nl Год назад
​@@filmmassa "wrecked by neocolonialism", since when is gifting the world with modern technology and civilization considered "wrecking"?
@filmmassa
@filmmassa Год назад
@@KA-vs7nl when countries go into debt to have foreign corporations exploit their natural resources and they are stuck footing the bill for the seaports/highways etc.”
@Muhsterd
@Muhsterd Год назад
One is advised to exercise caution for spacefaring scissors, which have become a hassle for many developing civilizations.
@filmmassa
@filmmassa Год назад
Dude, multi-tether?!?!? First I hear of it 🤯
@harbl99
@harbl99 Год назад
Isaac has a playlist called Upward Bound, about using non-rocket technologies to ascend a gravity well. It is well worth your time. Multi-tether space elevators and launch loops raised into position by planetary rotation are only part of the fun.
@filmmassa
@filmmassa Год назад
Deep dive in my immediate future…
@kevinscott7292
@kevinscott7292 Год назад
These shorts are absolutely great! Keep them up!
@DonMichelDesertDweller
@DonMichelDesertDweller Год назад
I can’t wait, a day when space travel accessible by everyone. Except, I can wait until nutritionally rich food, clean water, and safe shelter is accessible by everyone.
@victorc7373
@victorc7373 Год назад
Skyhook first, then elevator.
@MeesterG
@MeesterG Год назад
I've seen the episode when it came out. I'm now wondering how this can be protected from debris in orbit. Not sure if you talked about that. I do remember how you explain that it crashing down isn't the end of the world :)
@jghifiversveiws8729
@jghifiversveiws8729 7 месяцев назад
That and the strong winds found at certain points in the atmosphere
@caitgems1
@caitgems1 Год назад
My favourite channel ❤️
@xDreadheadx
@xDreadheadx Год назад
Ad Astra has a really great concept on it
@Rose_Harmonic
@Rose_Harmonic Год назад
Not me going through every last short and liking it.
@johnwang9914
@johnwang9914 Год назад
Most of the advantage of a space elevator is just to exceed the thickest part of the lower atmosphere so the only reason to reach geosynchronous orbit in excess of 22,000 miles is to achieve tensile strength from centrifugal forces to hold the structure up. In truth, the structure would only have to extend to perhaps 60 miles up to significantly economize launching spacecraft into space. I can see structures similar to marine spars such as oil drilling rigs, where the base of a tower holds a landing strip and most of the habitat as a ballast, the tower rises to a spacecraft launch area at a sufficient altitude above most of the atmosphere and lighter than air buoyancy balloons attached to the spar above the center of gravity perhaps even up to the launch area as less gas pressure is needed the higher you go (also as atmospheric pressure is also significantly lower at altitude, hydrogen could be used due to the lower oxygen in the atmosphere for disasters to occur, even adding methane which is also a weak lifting gas to the hydrogen at those altitudes could prevent the ratios need for flammability at those altitudes, note that fire prevention gases such as FM-200 are technically propanes that are simply out of the flammability ratio ranges for certain volumes of room air to fire prevention gases). That way, contrary to the favourite strategy of this channel, much smaller megastructures are all that's needed that is a tower structure of only a few to tens of miles tall that is not dependent in being equatorial instead of in excess of 22,236 miles at equatorial locations for the concept of a space elevator. Buoyant structures such as the marine spar space tower is rarely discussed even though they would be much easier to build with material technologies and construction methods that we have today and if course would not be limited by geography as the space elevator is. Note that other non-equatorial proposals such as orbital rings involve are also incredibly massive structures as the ring must encompass the perimeter of the planet. It may be contrary to the favourite belief of this channel but the megastructures only need to be a small fraction of what is commonly discussed to achieve the goals of the structure. Brute force is almost always using far more force than is needed.
@kataseiko
@kataseiko Год назад
My biggest concern is that the wires will hopefully either be non-conductive or able to withstand a gigantic amount of power. I'm sure that the potential energy between two places on earth is probably even more than between ground and cloud height.
@christmassnow3465
@christmassnow3465 Год назад
Never thought of it myself, but if true, this may be one cheap source of power for the hbitats.
@Yotrek
@Yotrek Год назад
The technology that will enable “affordable for everyone” space travel is a continually appreciating currency.
@nyrdybyrd1702
@nyrdybyrd1702 Год назад
​@@Reiman33 Uhhh, pretty sure @Carlos was just juxtaposing Isaac's "Bill Nye in the sky" optimism with equally asinine hyperbole & if you have reservations re such rhetoric, maybe you should groom the ground for Elon's Grand Landing (he'll require an albidus X the size of Santa Monica but paint contaminates so best bet: pickle the rust from the Martian regolith. 🤓
@tribalismblindsthembutnoty124
I watch all your videos, but I really LOVE watching your content in short form!
@dewfall56
@dewfall56 Год назад
I have been fascinated by the idea of space elevators ever since I first heard about them. But so many challenges.
@hansjorgkunde3772
@hansjorgkunde3772 Год назад
The forces that would act on these structure will rip any material apart. This simply do not work.
@chrisschembari2486
@chrisschembari2486 Год назад
A space elevator is briefly seen in Ad Astra. Brad Pitt's character works on it for his day job, before he gets called away to help with something more important.
@darkkrenaissance42
@darkkrenaissance42 Год назад
Tiny lil drink and snack !
@firstlast-qe9sx
@firstlast-qe9sx Год назад
I'm sure no terrorist would ever attack this structure
@norml.hugh-mann
@norml.hugh-mann Год назад
Damn...some people are obsessed with terrorism . It's the excuse used to discount pretty much every idea I've heard proposed since 2001 It's like 911 put a mental block on us and gave us our current culture of cowards
@bravojr
@bravojr Год назад
SO BIG BRAINS, can anyone tell me what happens when you shift a weight on a rotating Object?
@zam6877
@zam6877 Год назад
That's brilliant.. .hopefully there are kids now that will be alive to see it...even to travel on them
@MrHathaway1337
@MrHathaway1337 Год назад
Is this how we access the BWC's in space? The Big White...Crafts.
@infurnessfire4452
@infurnessfire4452 Год назад
Socialize space
@fanOmry
@fanOmry 11 месяцев назад
I like tethered rings better... But would bet that a lofstrum loop would be the first to be built. One that used He for extra support...
@oeliamoya9796
@oeliamoya9796 Год назад
• What floor sir? • Penthouse please. • Haha very funny..you know the top floor is the space station where EVERYONE is already heading up to... • 😣
@grimace4257
@grimace4257 Год назад
His voice is the cutest
@wascalywabbit
@wascalywabbit Год назад
Nope,no way... After the Titan sub,I wouldn't get on something going the other direction either .... Insert meme video of little kid in car seat saying 🐂 💩 over and over.. 😂
@jadewilson-gi3rc
@jadewilson-gi3rc Год назад
Right now I can see so many ways how this can go wrong 🤔
@shruggzdastr8-facedclown
@shruggzdastr8-facedclown Год назад
Why do these equatorial space elevators necessarily require big cities on the ground below to be anchored to? To maximize options, what's to stop us from anchoring them to oceanic crust or offshore oil platforms repurposed to function as spaceports for these elevators?
@supamatta9207
@supamatta9207 Год назад
Scientist know that you can make individual piece s with bigger volumetric size like balloon steel. If you make a stick float up straight like a rubber duck in a bath tub it can probably be 60- 80km high with 2km underwater . Just another 80 to go
@DUBEE43
@DUBEE43 Год назад
Boy A-pole shift would throw a wrench in that thing
@SuperVstech
@SuperVstech Год назад
That’s not how pole shifts work…
@firesoldier343
@firesoldier343 Год назад
How would it effect it?
@siddharthnagani
@siddharthnagani Год назад
Woah😮😮😮😮 My only dream for the time being that I'm working on. Progress is too slow though.😊
@Arakasi22
@Arakasi22 Год назад
Shut up, Barry! Lol!
@DoNotPushHere
@DoNotPushHere Год назад
Why not simply pulling off "vertical" from any point? As long as the axis remains paralell to the plane of rotation, it should be fine. Imagine the North and South poles stations, where the elevator would start totally flat like a normal train, but then you'd start skipping the curvature into a seemingly endless railtrack to nowhere. Plus the train cabin should rotate like the cabin of a ferris wheel :) Totally off topic but an example of which I don't see any inconvenient. Anybody else? Thanks :)
@horsethi3f
@horsethi3f Год назад
Huh, I didn't know the solution could be so simple.
@nyrdybyrd1702
@nyrdybyrd1702 Год назад
Re "Space travel affordable to everyone": - Isaac and his "Bill Nye in the sky" optimism. 😇 #spacejamtomorrow
@nandodando9695
@nandodando9695 Год назад
We need to build a tethered ring ASAP. I feel that Governments will just get in the way.
@norml.hugh-mann
@norml.hugh-mann Год назад
It takes govts to build such projects...your talking about resources needed that only coalitions of countries can aquire.
@Chris-es3wf
@Chris-es3wf Год назад
Imagine the geo-politics in a NESE.... sounds like a nightmare.
@FLPhotoCatcher
@FLPhotoCatcher Год назад
How do I get a space elevator to start here in a small town in Tennessee?
@chrisschembari2486
@chrisschembari2486 Год назад
Tell the locals it'll be like a great big guitar string to space? Maybe seek investment from Dolly Parton, and let her name it DollyWire?
@technomad9071
@technomad9071 Год назад
Build it and it will become a mega coty
@GreenBlueWalkthrough
@GreenBlueWalkthrough Год назад
To be fair since your tethered uyou can use engines to station keep the elevator from a nmore northly/southernly point and or at lower altudies like the more useful low earth orbit or even in atmo.
@jsupapo
@jsupapo Год назад
Is Barry Cripke narratoring this short?
@fenilkheni9494
@fenilkheni9494 Год назад
With space we are stuck in a loop, we can't make putting stuff in space cheaper without a butload of stuff already in space. 😅
@darkkrenaissance42
@darkkrenaissance42 Год назад
Dont we need a Reason to elevate into space , before these are rational? What is that reason?
@EdgyPuer
@EdgyPuer Год назад
Is there is any reason that having them on the poles would be a bad idea, since it deals with the whole spin issue.
@mr.bojangles6111
@mr.bojangles6111 Год назад
Well, the endpoint of the tether is meant to be in orbit over a fixed point in the surface. If it was directly over one of the poles, it wouldn’t be in orbit, so it’d just drop from the sky. Unless you mean to build a solid tower to reach some orbital level above the pole.
@user-on4gs9rd9t
@user-on4gs9rd9t 5 месяцев назад
His voice
@MrofficialC
@MrofficialC Год назад
There's no point to build a space elevator. By the time we have non equatorial space elevators we won't need non equatorial space elevators
@Danny6oy
@Danny6oy Год назад
The dude from the big bang is narrating this?
@Enward834
@Enward834 Год назад
Is this the first SFIA short?
@nyrdybyrd1702
@nyrdybyrd1702 Год назад
No, there's been three or four others &, simply put, shorts suck. I adamantly love SFIA though (have for several years) &'m trying REAL HARD, Zach, (like Jules efforting the biblical shepard) to see these as resplendently produced, rationally packaged edificial outreaches unto fidgety masses.
@Enward834
@Enward834 Год назад
@@nyrdybyrd1702 ya, I really have no clue what anything you typed past the word "years" lol. But that's for answering the question
@isaacarthurSFIA
@isaacarthurSFIA Год назад
@@Enward834 This is the fifth I've done, I'm thinking of doing about 6 a month for a few months to see if it's helpful
@Enward834
@Enward834 Год назад
@isaacarthurSFIA idk if it's still the case, but when shorts were new, it was super positive for a channel's growth to post them. I think spiffingbrit covered it at the time.
@nuggetschannelcz
@nuggetschannelcz Год назад
elevatooor i cant 🤣
@Danboi.
@Danboi. Год назад
Don be sow wude..I can't eithorw🫢
@nesa6582
@nesa6582 Год назад
Imagine that shiet detaches and launches you into the deep space.... 💀💀💀💀💀
@TheCADDGUY
@TheCADDGUY Год назад
space elevators cant happen because it would require the entire planets economy and resources to produce.
@isaacarthurSFIA
@isaacarthurSFIA Год назад
Probably not. It really isn't an expense sort of issue, *if* you can make the tether it ought to be rather cheap, as you're not using very much mass even as long as it is.
@TheCADDGUY
@TheCADDGUY Год назад
@@isaacarthurSFIA oh, im sorry, im just referencing actual research papers about it when the US government was serious about the idea enough to do the research on materials and cost needed to get it done. and you do realize that the tether itself, would be huge in diameter, and 1200 miles long, at least? you do realize that would be tons upon upon tons upon tons - and you have to get it up there in the first place little bit of "hmmmmmm" when you actually try to think about it practically and im just referencing the basics just below the surface level of "oh man, space elevators are cool, we should make one, because it would be 'cheaper" which shows the lack of thought on the subject
@dudejunior1995
@dudejunior1995 8 месяцев назад
​@@TheCADDGUY Assuming you launch a quarter of a mile of tether at a time, it would require maybe 5k launches. Sounds expensive but a skyhook combined with reusable rocketry could get the job done in maybe a decade or less. Of course the anchoring station at geostationary orbit would need to be quite heavy, so asteroid capture might be required. All things considered it would probably require hundreds of billions, which wouldn't even dent the world economy if we reallocated military spending, but hell I doubt we'll reduce military spending in the short run.
@TheCADDGUY
@TheCADDGUY 8 месяцев назад
@dudejunior1995 thanks for sharing your lack of understanding while making the assumption that your assumptions mean anything. It's obvious you don't understand the physics nor the logistics of such a project.
@dudejunior1995
@dudejunior1995 8 месяцев назад
@@TheCADDGUY thanks for resorting to personal insults regarding my intellectual capacity instead of debating this out in a civilised manner so both parties can benefit from discussion.
@andiplatt
@andiplatt Год назад
Van Allen Belt wants to know your location
@dongraham4760
@dongraham4760 Год назад
Won't be done , far too many satellites in LEO ie Space X Starlink with upto 40,000 satellites when finished plus many many more .
@tonyportcullis488
@tonyportcullis488 Год назад
Such an easy target for terrorists. Humans.
@isaacarthurSFIA
@isaacarthurSFIA Год назад
So is a freeway or train track, and a space elevator leave a long time of dropping to deploy a parachute.
@tonyportcullis488
@tonyportcullis488 Год назад
​@@isaacarthurSFIA You have a point. Elevators would be great. I'll be happy to see us get back to the moon. Hopefully we will continue to make a push out into space. Thanks for an awesome channel. Helps me dream of a future where space travel and exploration is common.
@chazwyman8951
@chazwyman8951 Год назад
THis is never going to happen. You might do it on a smaller planet. On earth the tether would have to be 30,,000 miles long. No material will ever be strong enough
@darinbauer8122
@darinbauer8122 Год назад
I don't really understand the depth of materials, cost, and effort to build. What this hypes is the alternative context of construction. Multiple tethering is physically stronger. Physics isn't my problem so much. We are a ways off from interstellar travel on the constant. You are inferring that there are unplanned projects in multiple vectors, which is rad. Funny little despotism that Titan, gosh, I just love to visit, or is it Europa? I can't tell them apart without references, the facilites look exactly the same to me. Darn. Is that what people are ultimately going to say about Earth? Is that why we haven't made first contact, because beyond our inherrent violence as a species by interstellar comparason we are less than amusing somehow? I also worry about indentured servitude in the frontier. Maybe it's too many poli-sci reviews and not enough sci-fi, the trends validate both positions relative to space elevation speculation in a lot of ways that I believe you get, but the mainstream might ashew, at least it isn't entirely practical to worry about such things in the moment, just to keep in mind that we already have a 'space villain' concept and we haven't ventured out much yet. I think I'm just glad that you are undetered by the physics, and that's pretty inspirational.
@expertexcrementexpediter
@expertexcrementexpediter Год назад
Wouldn't something like that really slow down the rotation of the earth?
@isaacarthurSFIA
@isaacarthurSFIA Год назад
Technically but the amount would be so tiny i don't think we could even measure it. And you could add that momentum back
@SlayZac1975
@SlayZac1975 Год назад
Let's build something that could fail and kill everyone where it falls. Stupid
@areadorthompson8781
@areadorthompson8781 Год назад
Like i said many times before nimrod tried but God said no. Why do you think it's ok now. And don't blame it on he wanted to take over heaven bs because he couldn't but us now we take over things we're ever we go.
@brentneumeyer3088
@brentneumeyer3088 Год назад
Space Junk
@Danboi.
@Danboi. Год назад
I don't know how anyone can get past the way he speaks.. maybe BC I'm Australian.. but it's too distracting for me
@MegaPedro1975
@MegaPedro1975 Год назад
It’s wabbit season!
@Cannabeknown
@Cannabeknown Год назад
“Affwordable for evweone” 😂
@glaxxico907
@glaxxico907 Год назад
he has a speech impedement
@archielundy3131
@archielundy3131 Год назад
Heavy lift reusable launch vehicles will make space elevators unnecessary. Once we establish a space infrastructure using these launch vehicles, the need to lift lots of stuff off the Earth's surface will be greatly reduced. The era of needing to lift millions of tons into space may only last a few decades. The only thing we'll need to send to space then are people and possibly specialized equipment that can't yet be made in space. You don't need a space elevator for that.
@TheKlink
@TheKlink Год назад
dunno, infrastructure's always handyfor stuff.
@TheRainHarvester
@TheRainHarvester Год назад
Bringing stuff TO earth would be nice too?
@blub5117
@blub5117 Год назад
​@@TheRainHarvester Just drop it. You don't need complex technology for that. It's what gravity does anyway.
@TheRainHarvester
@TheRainHarvester Год назад
@@blub5117 LOL
@sadderwhiskeymann
@sadderwhiskeymann Год назад
​@@blub5117 to my understanding you would first need to cancel orbital velocity, otherwise you'll just add more space junk. And "dropping" it to burn on reentry? Or to make yet another crater here on earth? (I know, heat shield and parachute, but.. extra steps than just dropping)
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