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Finnish roads also have sections meant for emergy landings of planes, which in need can be used as military airports as you can move fueling vehicles to those etc...
Before the JAS39 vs F35 fight starts in the comments, please know that I like them both. They serve different purposes, and great things don't always have to be rated up against each other.. 😉 That said, growing up I did love the Viggen and the Draken to the point that my walls were covered in posters of them.
both very capable fighters for their time, not lagging behind imo regarding same period US fighters, French and Brit which came up with the brilliant Harrier. Won't even mention the USSR in tech terms, but maybe the still in use mig-31)
Nej, både F-35A och Gripen E är Multirole-stridsflygplan, men där F-35A har betydligt större kapacitet och förmåga. F-35A Block 4 kostar även ungefär lika mycket som Gripen E i inköp.
Well Finns has upgrade F18 to their limit. So yes when we replace those with F35. Just look those videos how Finnish fly F18. Finland is for ground troops. Sweden is air and naval. Denmark and Norway is mostly naval assets. Iceland, well we see they are doing just fine on their island. Long live the Nordic countries!
"Danish naval assets" ? The frigate 'Iver Huitfeld' had to be withdrawn from operations in the Bab el-Mandab straits due to non-functioning defensive missile systems. The arctic patrol vessels of the Knud Rassmussen-class have been withdrawn from the NATO Order Of Battle due to non-functioning gun systems, which has been a known factor in the Danish Navy for 15 years.
@@davidommanney7263 a small military budged leading to poor maintenance is the likely reason which we all know won´t be a problem in the near future, so yes danish naval assets
@@eskildscott7841 Back in 2006 the Danish government agreed to the NATO spending of 2% GDP. Since then it has fallen to just over 1% GDP. Added to which the Danes have committed to buy the F-35 instead of the more sensible JAS-39. The operating costs of the F-35 will eat up the entire defence budget of Denmark for the foreseeable future. It is a good thing that there are so many wind-surfers out at Klitmøller, because they are going to be the Danish naval assets...
Ah yes, pardon the oversight, I was wondering whether to include them on the active list or not as my sources tell me they are now mainly using the Grob.
Putin pretends not to care about women. Gadaffi, on the other hand, had a combined harem and bodyguard. But respect to all the women and men who make our area safer. Hats off
From the amount of hateful comments towards having some females in uniform in my video from accounts writing in Russian that gets removed it clearly scares Vlad.
Yep, as posted earlier it was a slight oversight on my behalf. Luckily, it's in the video about Finland, which goes much more in depth on the kit than this overview video of all the countries.
Yep, they also operate several other side-project aircraft. A 737 with med-evac, essentially an operation theater with wings. And afaik they also have several drones from the NATO pool from other projects.
Norway has been the hub for NATO and US intrest in the high north since 1949 So its been long time. But real. and the ties is so old from delivering crag jørgensen guns in the civil war. A long long time. Norway arms and US. Only feev know, and its not talked about. Its a bound. That only feew know. Presidents come and go. USA and the cleaver people running the show. Them know.
It is only for 100 hours a year and serves no other purpose and a minimum of training. The tragedy is that if ever needed they need to be warned three hours before the incident in which they are required.
You mention the Swedish JAS39 being able to take off from country roads and that is a great capability, but you forget to mention that Finland has been flying the F18 in a very similar manner. I believe they plan to somehow achieve this with the F35 too, but it remains to be seen how this could work.
The F-35 is going to be used in Finland just like the F-18. That was a basic requirement. The usage of road base has already been tested. There are videos about that.
To treat and organize all the Nordic AF as one is a stroke of Genius. The combination of F-35s and Gripen C + E is in my mind better than all F-35 or all Gripen. They are both fantastic and good at the most but better at some things. All our pilots have pretty much the same flight hours per year and are extremely skilled. We have trained together for a long time and we have a special bond with Finland hence we both was no NATO members. I'm very happy for all of us, we be a very tough opponent to anyone who want's us bad.
The "generation" is a marketing device made up by US defense companies to sell more planes, and the US military isn't going to stop them if it means congress approves purchasing newer planes. Stealth is great until you come up against someone with eyes or IR sensor. For sure useful for bombers, less so for fighters.
It is also good to consider availability. If F-35 only have a 30 % av aircraft operational it takes a lot of planes to reach the Swedish level with Gripen.
That is true, though Denmark and Norway haven't indicated that this is an issue for them. It might be, but I presume whatever Denmark is getting delivered now, and what Finland gets delivered come next year and 26 is in full working order.
There's a lot to unpack there, obviously some issues with the F-35, but there's also obviously a bias on behalf of the poster when it comes to how awesome the JAS39E is. I don't tend to get into these discussions as they are in my opinion not worth having. Any fan of the F-35 would turn around to this guy and ask how that awesome EW suite that Saab have promised and oversold for years for their E model is working out, it's the same argument. Both producers massively overstate their aircraft in the early stages and then work their way through the issues with the first blocks. Both aircraft are powerful and likely the best in their class, both have issues and are hyped massively by both sets of supporters. Both sets of supporters lack the perspective of a total air force. What the F-35 programme head is saying is that there'll be issues with the block 4, but that planes work well with earlier software. It's not the massive news people think it is. Even with block 3 software it's one of the best fighter aircraft in the world. Also worth noting Max himself admits that the mission capable figures are kept hidden in Sweden, and that there's likely a percentage of the JAS39E that are also suffering with similar issues. It's normal for a fleet.
På skarp insats har F-35 legat på ungefär 90% och målet i USA är över 60% och där man legat på runt 50%. De lägre siffrorna beror på att man medvetet tagit F-35 i tjänst innan det var helt färdigutvecklat. Siffran för Gripen är inte 100% om du nu skulle tro det. Krävs även färre F-35A för att utföra samma uppgift med Gripen, samt att Gripen E kommer få det svårt mot en modern motståndare.
Nordic countries need to make a co-owned weapons factory that gathers the best technologies from all the countries under one state owned entity. If there’s exports to other countries, 50% of all profits should go back to the citizens to pay for their retirement.
Finland, Norway and Sweden do own large parts of their own defence companies. Kongsberg and Nammo are majority owned by the Norwegian government, Nammo in Finland is owned by Norway\Finland, there's also a large state pension fund investment in Saab. But I agree that especially Hägglunds and Bofors should've stayed in Swedish hands. It's now owned by the British and American state with minority shares still in Swedish hands. I agree with the sentiment though.
Hopefully, there will be some sort of acquisition coordination in the future. Just looking at the Norwegian Air Force, it is ridiculous to operate 3 different helicopter types. The NH-90 was a disaster, and the replacement of the Sea King with the EH-101 took forever. The Bell 412s will have to be replaced sometime. Luckily, the NH-90 was scrapped and quickly replaced with the SH-60. I think our small air force should have used an H-60 variant in all roles, with the possibility of buying 2nd hand airframes in combination with newly produced models. Just as someone commented about 4-WD vehicles being subject to appropriation during war time, civilian helicopters are subject to the same and have been used as transports in exercises. Our offshore oil platforms require a decent helicopter fleet to operate.
Thanks for your comment! Agree 100%. I think the Sea Hawk and Black Hawk would suffice for all four nations, maybe you'd need a more specialized maritime variant in Norway but I doubt it. I think that a lot of EU and EFTA politics weighed on the decision with the EH101 and the NH90s for Finland. It's cost a litteral fortune to develop something that NATO already has a great deal of with 50+ years of experience with in the UK and USA.
@MilitaryRated the frigate and coast guard helicopter will definitely need to be able to land on a ship. One of the hardest requirements for the replacement of the Sea King as a SAR bird is definitely range. There are longer range variants such as the HH-60W, with both larger internal fuel capacity and external fuel tanks. A single type of airframe would also facilitate inter-squadron movement of personnel and maybe even wide-ranging exchange programs.
@@Zajuts149 yeah the Pave Hawk is a beast, and what I find so great about the Hawk series is that you can plug and play a lot of parts. Right now the European NATO nations have a mighty puzzle if there was ever going to be wide scale losses or issues.
It is my belief that the Danes made a HUGE mistake when the Folketing voted to purchase the F-35. A.) Each airframe costs at least double the amount of a JAS-39. B.) The operating cost per hour of an F-35 is about 10 (yes, TEN) times that of a JAS-39. C.) The decision to buy the F-35 was purely based on a "keeping up with the Jonses" mentality and had nothing to do with financial or military objectives. Buying the F-35 showed the world that the Danes have a Top-tier airforce, but they can only afford 27 of them. They could have bought 60 JAS-39s for the same price and then the world would recognise a serious force. On top of that, the running costs of the F-35 will severely impact training and patrol hours, so the Danish capacity will be severely weakened. To conclude, the Danes should not be allowed any influence on Danish defence issues.
Agreed, but as I gather the JAS39E costs fairly close to the F35 if you add in all the stuff a modern airforce would want. For the D variants, definetly. Denmark should've probably gone for the JAS39D, though the Nordics need a stealth fighter and Denmark probably picked the wrong one for their little country. It makes sense for Norway and Finland due to their relative sizes, but I think all 4 nations should likely station JAS39 and F35s on their territory. Use F-16s or JAS39's older variants for patrolling, and bring out the newer models if it should ever be needed. You don't need to patrol in your newest planes.
@@MilitaryRated Agree entirely. If the Nordics want to be seen as a cohesive unit, that would make sense, but the reality is that Finland and Sweden only joined NATO 5 minutes ago; Denmark tried to have a "Special Relationship" with the Warsaw Pact during the Cold War by forbidding nuclear weapons on its territory and only Norway was a fully committed member of NATO. So who would decide ?
I think, when you look at what the Nordics have contributed to upkeeping democracy in Ukraine, all these four nations blow everyone bar the Baltics and some Eastern European states out of the water, so I don't think the time since they joined NATO or past nativity should color any of them. They're committed and fully on board with doing what is necessary. Wish the same could be said about other NATO-members who seem more interested in posturing (Macron, Scholz, Sunak+++) than delivering on their promises.
@@MilitaryRated If you recall, back at the end of 2021 the UK under Boris Johnson was pushing to get arms sent to the Ukraine. France and Germany refused overflights of arms shipments because they were: A.) Addicted to Russian energy supplies. B.) Unwilling to "provoke the Bear". To its credit, Denmark allowed weapons flights from the UK to Ukraine, mostly of thousands of NLAW anti-tank missiles. The UK has also sent Challenger2 MBTs, new generation Starstreak AA MANPADS and M270 MLRS. It has additionally been training Ukrainian commanders and pilots for over a year. Hardly "posturing" when Denmark has sent cashiered 1950s Leopard 1 MBTs, obsolete Stinger missiles and countless other items while claiming "As New" prices.
How about all their operational artillery? Look at % of GDP spent on aid for Ukraine and you'll get my point exactly. UK: 0.55%. Denmark: 2.41%. In fact Finland who's Russia's neighbour have donated more of their GDP to Ukraine than the UK have, at over 0.70%. So yeah, the UK were good in the start, now they're sending token amounts of stuff compared to others when you look at what they've got in storage. Germany, France and the UK have more stored APC's and IFVs than anyone else in Europe, yet they're not even sending more than the Nordics. Same goes for MBTs where the UK have sent what? 14? A nation with the population size of half of London in Norway sent 8 Leo 2's, and Denmark sent 14 together with the Netherlands.
The JAS-39 Gripen is the most underrated fighter in all world. In fact, just to point out avonics and EW, it's one if not the most advanced fighter on service (ofc, mainly the ones with the E/D suite versions, but the C/D are also being overhauled and are a forced to be reckon with). European air force, an NATO one's, just had a huge boost most don't even understand yet since Finland and Sweden become members. Wish my country got a few F-35A and had the resources to replace all our F-16AM fleet with Gripen E - it would completely change our Air Force strength, operationability, deterrence, mission complexity and diversity, Air Superiority. For our size we'll be very well suited with the Transport planes like the latest KC-390 Millennium and the recently overhauled Hercules 130H. We don't habe the money for P-8 Poseidon, but we're getting a lot of ex German P-3 Orion which are being modernized. Plus some Casa 295M for recon and surveillance, also transport if needed, and sea rescue. We're also investing for some years now, including domestic production, on a large diversity of Drones. We really needed some boost regarding choppers, we have few, Blackhawks, Merlin, Lynx (Navy), and very few Black Hawks - No attack chopper, and one can dream when watching the development of the new AW-249 (the "child" of the Agusta A129 Mangusta). Back to the post, and sorry for my colloquial language, the Nordic Air Force (could have some attack choppers, sorry if somehow I missed them if they're present) is super dupe and Europe as well as NATO will be highly strengthened by it, no doubt. Congratulations to our partners and Allies.
Thanks for some great Information, and I agree that some Gripen would likely suit all the Nordics nations well, but with the new agreement it will all be one air force anyway, and while Sweden will benefit from the F35s of the others, the others will surely enjoy the upsides of the JAS39. Have a great weekend!
Great video again mate, cheers! Recent political activities oversees has got me thinking that Grippens would have been better purchase for Finland than F35s, wouldn't they? IDK.. Slava Ukraini!
The JAS39 is definitely a capable aircraft, it just serves a different role to the F35, when Sweden gets their full e-model stock of JAS39s it's a good counter-weight for the others to have the stealthier F35. Finland could probably have some JAS39s, but the Hornets they already possess are at least similar to the earlier variants of JAS39. The big upside for the JAS is obviously the easier take off and landing requirements, and that would've probably been good for Finland out towards the East, but I'm sure Sweden will fill in the gaps if needed. Glad you liked the video! :)
Well, I guess it goes back to WW2. Sweden did a very nasty backstabbing, so it was better to choose F35, because who knows what happens in the future: "In the "Statsrådsdiktamen" on 19 February 1940, Sweden's king Gustaf V publicly rejected pleas from Finland's government for military intervention in the Winter War to help defend Finland against the Soviet invasion. This statement from the king was aimed at pressuring Finland to accept harsh Soviet peace conditions and to quiet a strong Swedish activist public opinion advocating participation in the war. The statement had this effect, but was also to produce substantial bitterness in Finland. During the war, Sweden's government rejected a total of three formal pleas from Finland's government to engage militarily in Finland's defense against the Soviet Union. Detailed plans for Swedish deployment along Finland's border had been made ten years before, and they were regularly updated in secret contacts between the General Staffs of the two countries. However, no formal alliance had been concluded, and a proposed official recognition of cooperative defense of the de-militarized Åland had been rebuffed by Sweden's parliament in June 1939."
With Finland and Sweden in NATO, all these 4 Nordic countries are NATO members now. Sweden need to let that sink in, JAS39 was designed for an underdog scenario, situation now is over-dog scenario. NATO air force is the most powerful air force in the world by a huge margin. I do think it's a great idea if we can make Nordic cooperation better and have airbase interoperability, but having two different fighter jets make that a challenge as Sweden do not have airbases for F-35 and the others do not have airbases for JAS39. If the Norwegian airbases get knocked out, my instinct would be to fly to UK. Just as we did in WW2. The Norwegian air wings are former RAF squadrons with the exact same RAF squadrons numbers today. If Nordics is able to create interoperability and coordination under an united command, then we can be an example for rest of NATO on how the northern flank air space get secured, but this has to be within the NATO framework, not some independent thing from the NATO command structure. If for some reason NATO stop being a military alliance, the Nordic air force can be strong enough to match major nations, when the F-35 deliveries are done, it will be the second biggest operator of F-35 in the world, only behind USAF.
Nej, samtliga Gripen C/D kommer inte att förbli i tjänst. Sverige har även avskaffat systemet med vägbaser, och har mycket få basförband som kan ta hand om flygplanen på marken.
Ideally Sweden should allocate some of the C's and D's for the other Nordic countries to use as patrol aircraft. Their maintenance, requirement for airfields and such make them an excellent plane for the sticks in Norway and Finland. Patrolling with a F35 just doesn't make sense financially.
@@MilitaryRated Kostnad för Gripen E och F-35A jämförs inte på samma sätt, och Finland ansåg inte att Gripen E hade några fördelar gällande driftskostnader jämfört med F-35A. Starkaste Flygvapnet i Norden kommer Finland ha, och 1 st F-35A motsvarar väl flera Gripen E i kapacitet.
@@jonasastrand9945 tror du har rökt på lite innan du skrev på i kommentarerna? Det finns ingen källa jag har hittat där det står att C/D kommer förbli i tjänst (kanske om 5-10år) Det finns heller ingen källa där det står att vägbas systemet kommer anskaffas. Jag tror du helt enkelt är full av skit och troligen läst på i rysk telegram.....
The point of dressing supermodels up in flight gear escapes me. Clickbait? What is ignored here is the fact that the Nordic nations are SMALL! Denmark, Norway and Finland are just over 5M each, while Sweden is just a bit over 10M. They total only a bit over 25M citizens but punch WAY above their weight relative to many other nations, if only due to their location. Add to that a firm dedication to defend their territory against the Russian Scourge, PLUS the fact that they are now ALL members of NATO ensures that Putin would hit a brick wall if he tried any aggression against them. Even in the face of the fact that the US is proving o be an unreliable partner, the European countries have suffered centuries of sporadic, even prolonged conflict, and while it seems they will need a lot of prodding to face up to reality, they WILL get their arse in gear eventually. I predict that Putin will be ignominiously dead within a decade, the big question is what (or WHO) comes next! Russia will be a threat to civilization for generations to come...
Why is it so triggering to have females in flight gear? I use them consistently in my videos as they are a bit of a prod to NATO's enemies who all pretty much have horrible views of women. Besides, all four nations have capable female pilots in their air forces. The size of the countries are really not ignored, and the first point of the analysis compares the size of three of the largest countries per population in Europe against the collective Nordics, with your exact point. I agree with the rest, the Nordic bloc if you will is starting to become a bit of a regional power within NATO. I think it will take a long time for the neighbor in the East to come to grips with what a disaster they've created for themselves, especially with how European NATO is now building up massively and with the inception of Sweden and Finland.
@@MilitaryRated With such reasoning, please let me know why you don't include the large helicopter fleet serving the offshore industry? We have laws in place that they can be instructed to hand them over in case of war. In fact, the same applies to certain types of cars the military has picked out.
True, but I don't think the fuel is going to be an issue. The Gripen can fly with a much wider range of fuel than the F-35. It's even been tested succesfully with biofuel. The perks of a smaller engine, I guess.
@@antioch4019 Did read that F-35 can also use biofuel as Norway now are looking into that too, problem is that there is a shortage of Biofuel at the moment but there are work to get more selfsuffient to this.
Nordics combined Air forces should also add the Baltics help the 3 together buy 60 JS39s, 30 F35s.. help Finland upgrade to 50 x JS39s, 20 F35s should 2 x Transport, 2x light transport, 2x ISR planes, 4 AC-130s Build a world class UAS Air fleet 100s of xtra-large UASs 1000s of large sized UAS 10,000s mid sized UAS 100,000s small UAS millions of extra small UASs 10s millions micro UASs Also, if adding Baltics to Nordics together and buying 60 x F-15EXs as Air task force strike fighter/bombers which when added with JS-39s, F35s, to standardize across NBAF (Nordic, Baltic, Air Force:).. will create the best 4th, 5th gen Air Force in europe.
so sorry not sure if ok comment but all nordic maked pact before nato joining to defend others so i thing all is good.. i mean all defend in any pranch so what country get its just better
This is simple F35 is the new version of the ww2 spitfire. while the amazing Gripen is the modern version of the Hurricane. So wake up Defence no brainers and order these ace fighters NOW
How many times is JAS said in this video? and what is said after it? Idk, but what is the purpose for the video? Like to look neutral videos with every oppinion. This was not a neutral oppinion for my point of view. It was pushing a self made message of fighter jets. Still thank you for the video. It was intresting in every way untill JAS is mentioned.
Thanks for your feedback. Sorry but the Gripen is almost half of the Nordics air force combat airplanes, it's hard to work around talking about them. I bet F35 was said just as much. Have a great weekend!
@@MilitaryRated I was refering to the problem lockheed martin has had with delivering the upgrades to the F-35, and that recent hearing before congress where they revealed only about 30% of all the us airforce's F-35s were fully mission capable. Maybe Finland and Norway will/has better luck with maintaining theirs. I don't know.
Same as Norway and Denmark then, it'll be interesting to see if they have the same issues. Denmark's order is being delivered as we speak, Norway was an early adapter and Finland get theirs in 25-26. I assume they've fixed the kinks before Finland get theirs.