Norseman knock off...I hate this crap 

some knife channel on YT had one of these tested it was legit m390 with a 59hrc just fyi

Yeah m390 and s35vn are pretty standard these days for Chinese knives in general, and clones specifically. Also grade 5 titanium has been standard in Chinese knives for awhile now. So no, they don’t use low quality cheap materials. While I don’t purchase clones anymore, I still think they have a valid niche in the industry. The fact of the matter is, the people who would buy the clone aren’t in the market for the original, so I don’t believe it takes any business away from Grimsmo.

"USA all the way!!!" means something only to you americans. Would you buy american made if the cost were double? To anyone not in america country of origin basically doesn't matter, good product is good product.

@@lunatiy this. 1100 for a norseman, or 120 for a knockoff with s90v blade and extremely close scale quality

How dare someone demand money for hard work and quality craftsmanship and materials. Who do they think they are. Lmfao, they won’t miss your business or opinion and they are selling out all over.

@@TheBigToe69 maybe, but dude still has a right to his opinion

@@TheBigToe69 how dare someone try out a knife and not end up liking it! Who are you, the knife world gate keeper? Jeez.

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Pretty sure that you would have a different opinion if it was your design that was lifted and the money was going somewhere else. But hey maybe you are that cool with getting stolen from, so just Leave your doors unlocked and make a sign to invite the burglars in. Im joking of course but everyone its cool with stuff happening to others till it lands in their lap as well

@@CrazySharp Not sure you understand my stance. I'm not saying I'm ok with it. I'm not saying I wouldn't be pissed as hell if someone stole my design. I'm just saying that I think the negative impact effects the knives in the same price bracket as said knock off more so than the higher end knives they're replicating. I'm not a fan of knock offs personally. I think the companies that do this would be much better off themselves if they just came up with their own designs. I was simply giving another perspective of the effects it may have on knife manufacturers. You're clearly a little sensitive on the subject because you have friends that are directly effected by this and I get it. I'd be a lot more pissed if one of my friends got his design ripped off too. Fundamentally we are in agreement. Knock offs suck.

@@CrazySharp some people like for instance nikola tesla was all about giving his i.p. for the betterment of humanity and against monopolizing great ideas. If the grimsmos really put out the quality product it will have no effect over there business because ultimately those who appreciate the finer things will not settle for less then the best. If a clone maker can make there design better then them and in better materials then that is there own fault for over charging and under supplying

@@CrazySharp I get it man.. you’re upset. But this guy is just playing devil’s advocate, really. You’re not wrong, but hey, quit being a jerk to everyone who doesn’t whole heartedly share the exact opinion with you.

@@domzdaman373 let me put it to you in a different context… I am a knife designer. This is a true statement. When someone steals my design and sells substandard versions they: 1) steal food out of my child’s mouth ... and 2) people will be confused and associate the poor quality of a clone/knock off with my design. So basically they are damaging my reputation... as a knife designer it’s not a matter of opinion… It is a matter of straight up theft of my (and other designer’s) designs. I’m open to other peoples opinions but theft is theft and I don’t see how anyone justifies this.

Also I have handled a couple real Norsemans and if I ever pick one up it won’t be a clone.

I think you missed the point of this video

And if you have ever handled a real one you would see the difference

@@CrazySharphello, I've owned 2 Norseman over the past few years, and yes they are excellent quality knives well above what $200 dollars will get you, but I honestly think his opinion of the real Norseman not being 5 times better than the knockoff is true, in my experience the difference between a $200/$300 knife and a knife over a $1000 is actually only a couple percent, is that extra couple percent worth it to you maybe, to others maybe not...this is kinda an aside from the fact this is a knockoff obviously you shouldn't be allowed to just steal someone's designs. but just talking materials and quality I've watched a couple other videos of the Fake Norseman and people who are just reviewing it as a $200 Knife, and not as a Grimsmo Norseman, seem to think its pretty well made and good quality for the money, I've never handled one of the fakes so Idk, if I did have one I would be comparing it to other knifes in its price range, not to a real Norseman,....as I said the last couple percent of fit and finish along with a little extra precision and the Name is what your paying for with a Grimsmo, Shirogorov, etc. To some people that last few percent to make a knife "perfect" is worth paying for and obviously alot of other people are satisfied getting 90% or so the way there but for like 1/5th the price or even less....I can understand that....again tho this a more in general take, not necessarily about this particular knife, although many of my points do still apply

Also, obviously quality control knife to knife is not gonna be anywhere near a Real Grimsmo, but I could still see a good version of this knife being worth the $200 if you didn't have a problem with the design theft, I don't want to add to the problem by purchasing even a "High Quality" clone, but I'm also not gonna judge anyone who does, if someone loves that Norseman design and also know they will never have over $1000 dollars to spend on a knife...idk that makes it a tougher question. For me personally I can't get over the fact that they stole the design, another thought, what about people who have never even heard of a real Norseman they might buy that knife just cause they like the look of it and be happy with it their whole life without ever knowing it was a clone. Mainly after all of that all I'm trying to say is, The Clone should not exist, and the people making it should be forced to stop. But as far as the people purchasing the knife, thats not as black and white.

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I’m only responsible for what I say not what you hear… the owner after finding out it was fake told me to do whatever I wanted with it. If you had listened to the whole video and not just the beginning before making judgment you would have saved us both the time it took to write these comments.

So basically what you’re saying is you’re cool with people stealing. That’s the point of my attitude I know the people that they are stealing from John and Eric are great guys and the fact that you are basically saying oh it’s cool it’s just something I can’t understand

@@CrazySharp No Mike I'm not cool with people stealing. There are always going to be people making knockoffs of everything. At the end of the day there is quality craftsmanship and there is crap. The consumers have made up there mind ahead of time because there are generally 2 types people, ones that want quality and ones who dont really care. I get where your coming from but the delivery seemed....how should I say...like a childish sour loser. It's not personal, I'm sure I come across like an asshole.

Baby with a beard who’s late to the party? Bro I’ve been complaining about these for years ... well I just don’t like seeing my fellow knife designers and friends getting stolen from. If you don’t see an issue with it then I question your moral compass. Now if you want to justify the purchase of blatant theft I suggest you do it on another channel because I don’t allow it here.

That’s the point of the video... it’s in the title that it’s a knockoff

@@CrazySharp right I'm just adding on to what is also different between the real and fake

Well the way it was worded it seemed as though you were asking if it was a real Norseman

@@CrazySharp my bad man!

@@tophersadvice I understood what you were saying

It’s theft of intellectual property

@@CrazySharp thats why I mentioned the things that have happened with companies such as yeti. Other companies like RTIC have taken their ideas and copied the exact same thing and generally sell it cheaper. You can find a lot of examples of this in the fitness industry as well. You can look at ROGUE and see they make good equipment. Just as an example, I have a set of competition bumper plates that are $700. They are the EXACT same thing that rogue sells, just minus the brand name. Saving myself just about $600. The only reason I could justify myself to by a clone of a knife would be 1. I use them very heavily and 2. In the army I’ve already lost knives that are $200 or so

@@lanestevens9894 those are licensed to those companies… If you look up the story about the yeti brand… There were two brothers one wanted to expand and license their designs to other companies and one didn’t so they just split so that’s why you have RTC and other brands that are identical because one brother allowed other companies to use their designs. You can buy the exact same cooler at half the price… They’re not knock offs they are honest licensed versions of basically the same thing

@@CrazySharp okay awesome. That explanation helps clear it up a lot more and makes more sense

Glad I could help

I may have… But that was at a time when a lot of people thought the same thing. Most people thought that a knife made on a CNC was not considered a custom, including Jim Skelton. But that doesn’t detract from the fact that a fake Norseman is still theft of their design And the fact is they still are in my opinion the gold standard for how good a knife can be. To the point that I saved for five years to own my own. The theft of a design is still the fact of a design whether it’s a design that you have made third-party by a company license to them like I do with some of my knives or if it’s a knife you make yourself and produce

Where can I find your knives?

Did ford steal the design from someone…no … you are not comparing apples and oranges, you’re comparing apples and watermelons. THEY STOLE THE DESIGN FROM JOHN GRIMSMO.

Watch my video about destroying it on the grinder… I can tell you it is absolutely NOT m390.

@@CrazySharp Damn!!!!!!!

You bet!

it is not ...this is direct theft of a design that a the original maker spent a lot of time developing. John Grimsmo has spent years building his company and to have a company straight up steal his design and sell it under the same name is the lowest form of sleazy behavior in the knife industry, as a knife maker and designer I despise these people.

Yes DRAMA, for a extremely good reason. Thanks again to Mike.

Thank you for sharing these fake bastards

That’s why gerber uses 3cr13 mov! So we can afford the real deal!!!!!!

I just spent 3 years saving to get one

What about those who CANT get the real deal? If I’m drawn to a unique spyderco design and couldn’t drop $300 on it any day soon, should I walk away? I feel like there’s room for a budget market. I think the bigger companies like spyderco need to take a look at some of the Chinese practices (yes seriously) such as the Ganzo’s...look if I can buy a blade on the latest design fashion in decent steel (say...D2 maybe...) HRC in the 60s... And it’s $35...when the main steam jabbers are in the hundreds....why can’t spyderco or those large companies come to terms with the clone market and do something about it? Maybe Appeal to those lower budget buyers! Make Models of the knives going for half a grand with NASA invented space steel and shit and put out the design in 440C and other lower cost materials to allow an entry into the market. Who in their right mind jumps into EDCs, Spydercos and the like and drips hundreds without any stepping stones. I think there’s room for both but the original creators themselves need to address the more budget required/minded buyers in mind as opposed to LETTING the clone industry take the business from you. Just saying My two cents lol

you don't get to dictate business practices for a maker, if you want one then you save a little at a time till you hit the mark ... I have a knife that I am going to get so I stopped drinking and put the money I normally spend on beer in a jar in my safe. no excuse for buying a knock off

Michael Emler - Crazy Sharp yea I guess I was thinking more along the lines of something like a ganzo where there are definitely similarities but it’s not exactly the same at all and doesn’t steal logos and such so I stand corrected I guess. You’re right a true clone actual copy like you showed is in fact wrong for sure. I think I was thinking beyond exact clones like I said

@@CrazySharp and you dont get to dictate buying practices of others and you are a real pos for judging someone and there character off something as petty and insignificant as this trivial video points out

well if your Norseman ever needs sharpened, John recommends me to his US customers

@@CrazySharp trust me i already knew that lol no one is touching it but you ive watched your norsman sharpening videos and they look better then new after you were done ! I have a question have you ever handled a heritic hydra i ordered one but not sure how good they are ive been getting into otfs lately

I love them ... and Tony Jr is a great craftsman, you can't go wrong with his knives

What you think your iphone is worth? LOL

@@robreadinger5340 I don't use apple lol. But my phone isn't worth much. To me anyway.

if they'd just designed their own knife, it would've been better, even! if they didn't have to focus on emulating how the pivot looks, they could've made one that *works*