North and South 2004 BBC 3/5 Mr.Thornton proposal 

Yes and Richard Armitage's emotion behind the line makes it even better 😊

Oh my god SAMEEEE

I’d of said yes

That little bit where his voice cracks is just so beautiful done. Fine acting. Incredible scene.

@@vfreek4ever899 Exactly, he's the perfect Thornton.

My dude, have you ever read Jane Eyre??? I swear my heart is torn between this man and Mr. Rochester. If you haven’t read it. Also! Persuasion by Jane Austen!! Captain Wentworth also has some beautiful lines in the book. Victorian men are the treasure girls lost to modernity 😩

@@j.r.r5863 Jane Eyre is one my favourite novels, of course! It was only recently that N&S became my top favourite. But I never liked Rochester, he was too selfish and kept Jane on an emotional seesaw, toying with her feelings. He wanted to possess Jane, even go to the lengths of keeping her as his mistress in secret. Thornton on the other hand, just wants to marry Margaret for her. Unlike Rochester, Thornton is not a ladies man, and for him to confess his feelings and be vulnerable for possibly the first time in his life, that speaks volumes to me more than Rochesters' passionate speeches. I just find Margaret and John to be a more realistic couple. The trials and personal hardships they endure only strengthens their love for each other.

@@j.r.r5863 my favourite Victorian men are John Thornton from North and South and Gabriel Oak from Hardy's Far from the Madding Crowd. And of course Mr. Darcy! Though technically he is a Regency man, not Victorian 😊 Rochestor i have always found to be a bit of a creep, though...but i do adore Fassbender in the movie!

Minerva Rose Rochestor was horrible! Jane was way too good for him. But John Thornton? Sigh. Hot!

@@jcooper8070 exactly! Rochestor is intentionally cruel and manipulative both to Jane and his ex-wife. Not Heathcliff level but.. still. Thornton is such a sweetheart though 😍 if you are into angsty Hardy stuff, pretty sure you will like Oak too (the movie doesn't do much justice though, gotta read the book)

Now I wish to read the book all over again..

What😱 I want to read the book so bad

@@alyssacollinwood1057 its good but this adaptation is better than the book which is rare

@@meesamagill1193 really ok

@@meesamagill1193 I agree…this is the only book I feel that way about in all the classics

Thornton is better in my opinion. A self-made man who rose his family from poverty after the death of their father. He is proud yet honorable. Gaskell has always written male character better than Austen who either only writes them as dashing but shallow or aloof and awkward. Thornton and Higgins are complex characters.

There's a certain irony in the fact that Darcy and Thornton are a lot alike -- rather chilly and severe on the surface yet conscientious and honorable underneath -- yet at the same time, they're also total opposites. In "Pride And Prejudice", Darcy is "marrying down" in the eyes of society since Elizabeth's family on one side is in trade and her father's estate is modest -- but strictly speaking, even though Thornton is rich, he's "marrying up" since he started out poor whereas Margaret as the daughter of an educated man and former clergyman (even though her family is also not wealthy) is technically above his station.

Yes screw Darcy

Exactly my words. Mr Thornton has given me an unrealistically high expectations of men now. Oh gentleman, what have you done to me! ❤

How does that happen?

@@l.a.1630 they deleted a part of the scene, so this sentence without that deleted part doesn't make sense.

@@trx9445 do you know that where i can watch this deleted scene?

He brought fruit for her sick mother

mhmm

Lol im 100! But yes totally agree

Hell,yeah

Gay

DUDE WHY ADNWLKWPDQLDPWL

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noooo whyy did i have to check for myself 😂😭 that is hilarious to be fair. good catch!

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their hands were shaking and hit the wrong button :))))

@@ioanaandronescu7677 Precisely! Ahahhahaha

Yes, a few idiots that have never experienced true love

because she said no :D

Yes but remember her first meeting with him was seeing him beating the crap out of someone who couldn't fight back etc., I also think with that in mind Margaret was starting to have feelings for Mr Yummy and was conflicted

@@maryt2196 Mr Yummy 😅😅😅 Thanks. I needed that laugh 😁

@@katiedrake76 lol....my pleasure...

@@maryt2196 agreed...which is why I think she said 'I do not....like....you'. She didnt use the word love because she knew that she loved him but couldnt admit it

Yes me too I want to watch the movie so bad.

Kamila rocha if you watched the entire series you would know these two stories are different from each others

@@AprilRiver2904 Well, yeah they aren't the same, OBVIOUSLY. But the similarities are really uncanny.

Much much better than pride and prejudice

@@rusojanjalashvili3437 a whole lot better than Pride and Prejudice.

Sometimes it can be the same way.

@@EmilyGloeggler7984 no, I meant that she didnt use the same words as him...eg love. She told him she didnt like him but she couldnt say she didnt love him because she knew she did. Even her hesitancy to say 'like' revealed that...swapping the word

I understand what you are saying, but the fact is that liking is just as important as loving is for a healthy and long-lasting marriage. There are so many unhappy marriages in which it's only too obvious that the husband and wife fundamentally do not like one another as people and fight like cats and dogs yet they seem unable to let each other go.

@@OreadNYC i just meant that she wasnt denying she loved him, she used the word liked because she maybe already knew she loved him but couldnt deny it to his face

@meesamagill1193 While it's possible that Margaret finds herself fascinated by and physically attracted to John (although back then, women of Margaret's class weren't supposed to admit that they were physically attracted to men), she would probably also be angry at herself or at least confused by this and she can't understand how she can feel this way for someone whom she experiences as so very harsh and unfair. What she has seen of him, she does not agree with and she believes (not without reason) that any man who's that insensitive would not make a kind husband.

Concordo plenamente contigo! Em nenhum momento ele foi ofensivo, bem diferente do Sr. Darcy. Acho q ela deveria ter dado uma explicação pra essa rejeição pq nas cenas anteriores deu pra notar q ela sentia atração por ele, realmente foi ilógico.

It’s because of the situation before, where it was a bit scandalous and she came to his rescue and everyone was saying that she was a terrible flirt throwing herself at him. Here she thinks he is almost mocking her by offering for her only out of honour, to save her reputation and to buy her because her pities her. It offends her pride.

To some extent, she's referring to their class differences. Margaret is the daughter of an educated man and a former clergyman -- both her father and mother come from the gentry, even though the family has fallen on hard times. John, on the other hand, began poor but worked his way up to become a man of means -- both of these facts, however, mean that Thornton is strictly speaking not a "gentleman" according to the standards of the times in which he lives even though he's as rich as or perhaps even richer than some of the men who would be considered gentlemen. The word "gentleman" in that time period was a reference to more than just a style of behavior but also the social class where that kind of behavior would have been expected, yet Thornton doesn't come from that class. According to the standards of the time, Margaret would be "marrying down" by accepting John's proposal and this is to some extent expressed in the rather scornful way she refers to John as being a "man in trade"

Far from the Madding Crowd; Jane Eyre; Memory of youth

Persuasion by Jane Austen

BBC Jane Eyre

Jane Eyre 1983

Oh Mr.Rochester!

Es que es altiva y no lo considera un caballero. Ella es intelectual y académica y él es tosco por ser empresario. Es con el paso del tiempo que lo valora y entiende que es un hombre leal y justo.

En la era Victoriana se estaba definida tu clase social por los títulos mobiliarios (duque, duquesa, ladies, lords, etc..) y por la cantidad de dinero poseida (ya que está te permitía ser más culto) que había grandes diferencias sociales, ella era de clase alta baja de una familia respetable porque su padre tenía el puesto en el clero, por lo tanto era una mujer muy culta y humana, por lo tanto socialmente era superior, en cambio él simplemente es un hombre que con esfuerzo y trabajo duro hizo su fortuna convirtiéndose en un caballero, pero para esa época eso era un poco vergonzoso y aunque obtuvo su título por esfuerzo propio no tenía la elegancia y culto como ella. Por eso se siente ofendida, porque ella cree que se le propone porque le tiene lástima por bajar de rango y ser ahora pobre. Pero ella no sabe que el sigue trabajando para convertirse en un caballero hecho y derecho, y en ese transcurso de convertirse en uno se enamora de ella porque la reconoce como una mujer digna, pero él es aún muy tosco y ella muy altiva. Lo hermoso es que con el tiempo se entienden y cambian y se dan cuenta que se juzgaron mal.

Puedes creer que ser comerciante antes era ser de baja categoría ?? 😂😂😂 era mejor pertenecer al clero como el padre de ella… y como ella viene de familia de clase, pues él era muy inferior a sus ojos cuando lo conoció. Elle se crio además en Londres con la prima con una familia bien posicionada por lo que tuvo una educación de señorita. Hay que agregar que en esa época los patrones eran mal vistos, ella estaba más de parte de los débiles, los empleados, por eso hasta en ideas y convicciones eran diferentes y por eso se la pasaban discutiendo, nunca estaban de acuerdo😂 en el libro esta parte está más detallada.

Try Wives and Daughters, also by Gaskell. There's a BBC series of it.

@@wendyscopes that's going to be on my list. Thank you!! Any other series movies? Keep it coming ☺️

I've not seen it, but Cranford is based on Gaskell's work too :)

@@wendyscopes return to Cranford....is it romantic? I watched like 30 min, it seems like town full of ladies with just one male doctor.

Not watched pride and prejudice yet?

J'ai cherché longtemps le sous-titrage en français, malheureusement pas trouvé

Effectivement introuvable mais de toute manière, la voix du doubleur est très moyenne

Got banned for the copyrighting but I will make more short clips of this series as people liking it (no wonder it is a good one).

Her friend who's dying, she was working in his factory and she died because of the health conditions there (the smell and the long working hours).

@@theenglishclub9608 No she contracted the problem in another mill.

Not really.

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