Northern Irish views of The Republic of Ireland, Belfast City, 1965 

Part of the North is in the Republic donegal monaghan

@@paulrickards4921 I know, but when people say the North it's understood that people mean the 6 Counties

People should buy an atlas

@@paulrickards4921 The country is called Northern Ireland, by your standards the name of the country should be changed to reflect the fact that it isn't the whole North, only the majority. North-Eastern Ireland doesn't roll off the tongue as well

The majority of hardline Unionists are over 60? and hence,are either not on the internet,or are on facebook instead

Well said. I’d love to find his name & see what kind of life he led & if he’s still alive today.

They all sounded very decent and genuine both Catholic and Protestant.

there is nothing wrong with being Irish Welsh or scots

Growing up in the North in the 70s I can attest to the fact that Northern Irish identity is a very complex thing.

@@12presspart To British Unionists it's something to look down Irish Scottish and Welsh identities

He will always be Irish, and so is the land Irish land. Thats why he feels strange

"Stranger in your own land" Describes Irish people in Ireland today And British people in Britain

Paisley was actually already a big influence on working class Loyalism by this point! In 1964, he pretty much organised a riot in the Divis area because one of the Sinn Fein offices had a tricolour displayed in the window. thebrokenelbow.com/2020/08/20/the-divis-street-riots-of-1964/

@@ferghalicious1480 I was really just commenting on the normal everyday people interviewed in this video. I don't think Paisley had anywhere near the influence at this point that he would go on to have.

@@bordercollie1140 Fair enough. Dw I’m not trying to start an argument or anything. I just thought the Divis riots example was pretty relevant to the point you made about people’s attitudes changing so quickly, especially since Moloney concludes that the riot’s root cause was ‘essentially the active and reactive sectarian antipathy harboured by so many otherwise rational people.’

Massive would be an overstatement. Most Protestants viewed paisley as nothing more as a mad raving minister. That’s why he didn’t get support up until 2004. When he changed his brand to a peacemaker, rather than a rebel rouser.

Ah, they just didn't like the dominance of the RCC. They liked their British Christianity and their British government.

The majority don't want a United Ireland

@@jdfiend Says who this before the troubles.

@@jdfiend I dont think the majority in the south want a United Ireland either

@@simonshiels1 I think you'll find the vast majority would want a United Ireland under the right circumstances.

@@simonshiels1 vast majority in republic support it in every poll taken and last poll in NI should 47% for union with Britain, 42% for union with Republic. As the demographics have changed the numbers for a United Ireland have shifted with them. I don’t think I’d vote for reunity if I was a unionist, as the unionist community have done such terrible things I’d never feel safe without the blanket of British state protection. But for anyone else, you’d have to be a clown and a disgrace to your children not to want to end this poverty stricken mess that is NI and rejoin our rich family in the Republic.

As an Ulster-Scot myself I find what you say to be true in the vase of The English & Welsh they they view people from The Republic of Ireland & Nothern Ireland as all Irish but I would say here in Scotland we have our own Religious devide so many of understand the difference much more than you portray in your comment. Here in Scotland we might all live side buy side but with absolutely no need for peace walls at all but the religious tensions are always there boiling under the surface of Scottish society so sont try to kid yourself on about that. But in modern Scotland there is much more inter religious marriage now a days than there used to be so the attitude is much more of one of live & let live but you go back to the 80's & 90's this was not so much the case. In my family my Gran on my Mum's side was born a Prodestent adopted buy a Catholic cupple then married a Prodestent on of my Aunts on my Dads side a Prodestent her husband my Uncle is a Catholic & my own sister Married a Catholic so honestly I can see things from both sides of the religious devide I have also spent a lot of time in Nothern Ireland or Ulster if you like so I know the score. The English & Welsh have absolutely no clue what to ever about what a religious devide looks like in reality only what they see on Documentary's & on The News where in Scotland to a much lesser extent we live with the reality aswell but not as much as in Nothern Ireland ( Ulster ). Keep Safe.

I think most are quite wary about calling someone who identifies as Irish, British if that makes sense. For us, Northern Ireland usually doesn’t come up enough in our day to day lives and when we do look into it, it’s often with an exasperated “can’t you all just get along?!” so we choose to try and ignore it in the hope it’ll sort itself out.

Aye we English tend to see things more in terms of the land masses rather than the countries. If you're from the island of Great Britain, you're British, and if you're from the island of Ireland, you're Irish. When i hear friends from Northern Ireland say they're British, not Irish it sounds weird. But i guess the whole lot (including the Republic of Ireland) are called 'The British isles' anyway.

The Belfast writer Tony Macaulay who grew up on the Shankill wrote of his experience visiting England as part of a choir. The choir members thought of themselves as British but their accents meant nearly everyone they encountered thought of them as Irish.

I think your wrong about Scotland, you have Ulster Scots,you use words we took over during the Plantation , you still come to the West of Scotland, mostly Glasgow! I have met many nice folks from Northern Ireland and I don't say they're Irish, they're British citizens like me!

Yes and Berlin is great place now but Belfast is still a shithole.

It's disappointing that things were so divided back then but tensions were destined to boil over because of the way the state had been put together and lack of equality if we are being honest. I agree there is still scepticism and division in places, typically in frontier communities but most of society has moved on and couldn't care less what the person next door was baptised as or what they associate with culturally. We are a more open minded and accommodating society now and that's a fact. Maybe I'm a bit sheltered but none of my friends or family (from either background) would tolerate any sectarianism or bigotry. The real problem in this place is the politicians we have. I hate the 2 main parties. All they do is stoke up their constituents, pick at old wounds and sow seeds of doubt so they can all get their cushy jobs and go back to being pally pally behind the scenes. Anyway that's my 2 cents.

@@stewartdahamman you missed the point so entirely, i find it hard to believe you have the sense to discern what constitutes a 'shithole' are you even from belfast? have you ever even been to belfast?

@@cerberus1321 people keep saying how everything changed, but the numbers don't lie. those new walls have been erected at the behest of the people. i can only restate my original point, there is still no meaningful integration. i agree with you about the politicians though.

@@longshotkdb I suppose you are right in that no 'meaningful' integration exists. I still think there is a lot more of a balance across society now though. If we take the work environment as an example people work together at every level. It's not top or bottom heavy and that's the biggest demographic. I don't have any kids yet but my best mate is from the opposite background as me and is in a mixed marriage raising 2 kids. He tells me that there has to be integrated education from the bottom up if people are going to move forward together. Maybe he's right. Most of the 'better' schools (for lack of a better word) are single sex single religion at secondary level and single religion at primary. I'm not sure how you would fix that though due to catchment areas and the demographics involved with the geography. Maybe they need incentivised financially on a tiered system. The more balanced you are the more you get 🤷‍♂️

Cos you are an Ulsterman regardless of religion, same as I am from the south of England and despite being English like a Yorkshireman there is a distinct difference in accent and attitude.

@@aldozilli1293 yes fully get it. It’s our little nuanced differences that make our unique identities and cultures so colourful. In a world where things are being pushed in a robotic nature with ever increasing globalism and the erosion of culture, our unique characteristics are more important than ever to cherish👌🏼👌🏼

@Caden Patton Hamilton 100%. It would be great if we learned more about our history in school. There’s so much ignorance of history before the start of the troubles (myself included in not knowing enough)

My mother is from NI Catholic, and my dad is from the south, where we grew up. While I see my maternal family as Irish, it’s different. They’ve been brought up differently, for one thing, they are much more religious than we are. Most people I know in the Republic under 40, place a lot less importance on religion while up there it’s a major part of life still. I find they’re are more conservative even outside religion e.g less open to immigrants

I'm from Essex in England and a proper Southern lad but I travel a lot for work across these islands. I am consistently surprised at essentially how similar we all are even in the Republic. I feel as conspicuously out of place in somewhere like Leeds as I do in Glasgow or Belfast yet once you get over the superficial accent difference, we're all basically the same. Plus the differences that do exist are gradients not hard borders. Crossing the border from Emgland into Scotland there's no actual difference and aside from the signs you wouldn't know you'd crossed a border. These islands and their peoples feel whole to me rather than separate.

Another American pretending to have Irish heritage! Lol.

@@peterreid9769What's wrong with that though? If he's got irish heritage then he's irish

The quiet man doesn't represent Ireland and never has, it represented the west for a short time

Glad you like living here! Guess we are pretty relaxed about things.. 😅 I've been trying to understand more about Northern Ireland/Brexit. British/English news wasn't covering it. So, I was reading online Irish news. And went down an Irish history rabbit hole. Learning about names, dates and wars. Things I had never heard of. I don't think I'm ever going to understand Irish history. Or the impact of British Empire. But, I have a better understanding of the present issues.

Don't bother. It's a load of clapped out shite.

It is a bit, but it's only when you go to main land Europe, that you realize how much the Irish English, and Northern folks have in common...not just the language either...the way we think, act, and view the world....

@@sherp2u1 I think you're right . I live in Norfolk which isn't that far from Holland and Belgium. But I feel much more connected with people from Dundee and Galway and Swansea and Belfast . We share a sense of humour + common culture ( we drink tea and watch coronation street ) . The history in these islands wasn't always happy but the present and future are good . Also love our continental cousins as well .

tribal war

How are u an English man if your ancestry is irish

@@ilqar887 born in england

Bullshit.

That sign (shown on bbc intended to be shocking) has been spoken about so often, people now believe it.. Not one of my relatives who arrived in the 50's saw a sign like that.. Only heard about it.. AFTER the documentary was aired but not at the time ..

Ulster Scots Presbyterians get dose of reality in Britain especially England.

It's called a siege mentality, Gibraltar has it too (Also Hong Kong except that their siege is an active one, but it was the same as the others in the decades before 97). Considering British policymaking parliament is lucky to still control any land outside of the Westminster WC's. They have in the past tried to shake off both NI and the rock being dissuaded by considerably resistance in Gib and the threat of a bloodbath Northern Ireland. They have also tried undermining the Falklands before and refused a union with Malta in the 50's despite it being a strategic lynchpin of the Mediterranean because other ex-colonies might have tried the same, it makes you wonder how they ended up with anything to lose in the first place when the ruling class seem to have universally mandated lobotomys to go with their rectal head coverings.

Yeah we really couldnt care, it's their problem ... if they wana join the republic they can go ahead if they wish ... it's just the goverment who care the ordinary person wouldnt even know what a NI unionist is tbh

@@MrResearcher122 No, as I made a show of you elsewhere in this section. O’Neils were in control both Meath and the North West. Armagh, south Down and Louth were in a kingdom called Oriel at this time. Antrim and North Down in another kingdom, descended from a group called the Ulaid, who came from central Munster, who also had another off shoot called the Laigin - both these groups and their mother group were part of the Érainn, who give Ireland its name in Irish, and the Ulaid and Laigin give Ulster and Leinster there respective names. The capital of the north was Tara in Meath. The capital of the south, Cashel in Tipperary. This was the Leath Éireann identity that formed the foundation for the contention of the bards, the last throws of Gaelic culture in 1600s. So, as before, on your bike you foreigner😉

Not sure about your statement about Universal Suffrage as women did not get the vote in national elections in Switzerland until 1971 and not in all local elections until 1991 (sic). Interestedly enough the last canton to hold out was Appenzell Innerrhoden which had broken away originally due to most of the residents being Roman Catholic.

In the 1960s? Their views were probably shocking by modern standards.

@@AdrianColley modern standards are extremely low

I hope they don’t turn our wee island into what can be seen in france and England. But it’s already happening down south

British: *Shhhh the fuck man* 😂😂😂🤫

Well living as a resident of Northern Ireland I don't want to be part of either.

You're implying they actually know how many counties are in Ulster. Many of them don't.

Did it have something to do with a higher concentration of RC's, and the land not being as arable?

@@warrenmilford1329 It did yes, I was just pointing out the flaw in the guy’s dubious statement. NI wasn’t formed on the idea of Ulster being a separate entity from the rest of Ireland, because then it would include all 9 counties. The fact that it’s 6 counties (2 of them majority RC) more or less confirms that NI is an artificial state, which was formed on the basis of giving Unionists unmatched control over as much territory as possible.

@@ferghalicious1480 Thanks for that confirmation mate. I never knew for sure, it was just something I kind of theorised. Maybe the fella in the vid just considers himself an Ulsterman, being lazy in the reality of that concept, as a kind of acceptance of the state of affairs as they existed then, and now. Even though he's obviously technically incorrect to call himself that. Because obviously it's not Ulster without those other three counties included. If that makes sense.

Could the same not be said about the modern Irish state, which claims an Irish identity, despite inhabiting only 4/5 of the island? Its also worth remembering that despite the existence of Ulster since ancient times, its borders were fluid, depending on how far a king could extend his authority at any particular time. At one point, the Northern Uí Neill maintained their independence in the west of Ulster, in Derry, Tyrone and Donegal. The modern borders of both counties and provinces were decided by British administration purposes. These were also fluid, with Clare once being part of Connaught, and Louth once being part of Ulster (Dundalk's motto still contains reference to Cúchulainn). But yeah, the fluidity of these borders throughout history also kind of show that Ulster being a separate entity exists no more than any other Irish petty kingdom.

Exactly!

Exactly

You've managed to rewrite a chunk of European history there in one go,quite an achievement. The Ulster Covenant was signed in 1912 and the UVF formed in 1913. Long before 1916 Unionists were extremely forthright that they would not tolerate even the mildest Home Rule let alone devolution or even national self-determination. The 1916 insurgents explicitly appealed to Unionists...... Unionism caused partition and remains very proud of this fact to this day. Probably why they built a big statue outside Stormont of that rabid partitionist James Craig and named a town after him. As for encouraging anti-British sentiment in Ireland that did really did not need much encouragement but if anyone was truly the champion of that it was always Britain itself. Considering what Britain was doing across the globe in the decades prior to 1916 any right thinking Irish person should have been anti-British......what's to like about a nasty exploitative Empire or those who served it? It's not like any of the other peoples enmeshed in The Empire were fans of Britain. Antipathy between Irish Catholics and Anglo-Irish Protestants or Northern Presbyterians massively predates 1916,all you have to do is take a look at what happened in Ulster in 1641 or Wexford in 1798. Catholic Defenders/Ribbon men spent decades before and after 1800 fighting with Peep O Day Boys and then The Orange Order. The fact that little land was owned by Irish Catholics until the Wyndham Land Act explains a lot too. And the biggie......many Protestants lorded it over their Catholic neighbours due to being of The Establishment. I hate the religious stuff but Protestants were of course sent to colonize Ireland and then lord it over the locals. Britons were despatched to every other colony to keep the locals in check,it's not unique to Ireland. The GAA rules on foreign games were brought in between 1901 and 1905, again nothing to do with 1916. Kind of understandable though that GAA fans might not be too enamoured with all things British as it was actually British soldiers who massacred civilians in Croke Park. By all means enjoy living in England and it's great that your experience is so different to those of previous generations but 1916 didn't cause issues that existed before any rebel was born.

He hasn’t rewritten history. He was spot on. The reason the UVF came about was because they knew the kind of Home Rule they were talking about would lead to a separate Republican state. And the Unionists were right. They weren’t against Home Rule in of itself because that’s what they got for themselves in Stormont.

Why you here. You haven’t a clue about where you are !

Accents in the British Isles can change every few miles. The differences in our accents aren’t as strong as they used to be. People have different accents depending on the circles (communities) they socialise with. ❤

The affinity that Northern unionists feel for Britain has always been unrequited.

Clips from the past that most of us have never seen isn't riling up anyone, it's quite interesting, this was 3 years before the troubles begun and 15 years before I was born but I do remember the Troubles clearly...this glimpse of the past is very welcome...a RU-vid channel showing Irish clips of everyday people sharing their thoughts from the past is not the one to blame for unrest anywhere, it's plain to see the reason for unrest!!!

@@nedi1150 here here

I think all the comments from both nationalists and unionists were reasonable nothing to get riled up about and even if they were offensive their over 50 years old so the most you could say is that not much had changed

@@nedi1150 I think this is a valuable and important video that ain't riling me up at all

@@johnmurphy7316 Same as that John.

Because as the man said , he ain't english

Given that she is the Queen of a Kingdom that includes Northern Ireland, I don't find that your comment makes any sense.

Times have indeed changed, but the adjective and erroneous adverb you use are not a change. Those words, when in times past, were used by one creed or jurisdiction to describe the other, were rightly regarded as condescending and insulting, and reversing the description direction now doesn't change that. You could take example from the people in this video on how to make your point with a little more elegance, and I say that as a West of Ireland Fenian.

Compare the HOMELESS figures...Right.

@@patquinn6774 One of the paradoxes of our modern world is that often, the wealthier the city, the greater the homelessness problem. Not excuse though not to try and fix it. www2.deloitte.com/us/en/insights/economy/problem-of-rising-homelessness-advanced-economies.html

why is it always anonymous profiles who make comments like this

@Ian Soutryer You don't see Germany as successful and within the EU since its reunification 31 years ago?

@@crose7412 ireland is not germany, ireland is ruled by the eu

@@wotnoturbo Do you feel silly now for saying that? Germany and Ireland are part of the same UNION; neither country rules over the other.

@@crose7412 No, Germany is an industrial & (some would argue) economic powerhouse, Ireland is neither, reuniting north & south whether you agree or not (with reunification) would not reap the benefits east & west Germany did, in or out of the EU, if you think all member states are equal under the EU .... now that is just silly, Ireland does exactly as the Eu tells it !

@@wotnoturbo The east of Germany is still poorer than the west of Germany decades later. Likewise the north of England is poorer than the south of England. Ireland is an EU member state (and up-and-coming powerhouse) so according to your notion Ireland is telling itself what to do!

Natasha please google "divide and rule"

@@mcivor321 ok will do x

@@mcivor321 ok I have to admit it took me a while to fully understand what you mean but I think I have it now. So if that is the case who do you think is implementing that?

@@natashaferran420 British Government in Ireland, not the Unionist British people in the North of Ireland who have also suffered horrifyingly due to the empire tactic of divide and rule. Would you live in a United Ireland? Seriously i wanna hear your point of view

@@mcivor321 noway theres not a chance I would live in a United Ireland I just couldn’t disrespect myself like that. No surrender!! If it seems fighting isn’t working I would have to take myself to England. What about you?

It will be as long as it wants to be and should change who your saying god save to

Yes, the grip that the Church had on all aspects of Irish life in the 1960s is almost unimaginable today. Economically, things have reversed too. Ireland has prospered under the EU, whereas Northern Ireland has become unattractive to investors.

Protestant/Presbyterians ruled Northern Ireland with iron fist fascist Orange statute with anyone having no Unionist opinion was arrested.

@MsMissy Grow up MsMissy

Northern Ireland was Protestant rule

What are you talking about if you think that's when it started you dont know your history plus the IRA didnt fire the first shots 😂 but glad you approve of these soapboxie.com/government/Loyalist-Sectarian-Murders

Guessing you say ? That’s a big part of the problem, people attempting to impose a solution without knowing the background. Take a look at who was allowed a vote in NI prior to 1969.

And these were the least eloquent people of the time. Looking smarter than most smart people today, particularly more than the young folk imo

that's an interesting observation - but in England too (and probably the world over?), footballers, cricketers , coalminers, whoever tended to put on a posher voice for the TV up till the 1960s and beyond. Weren't they doing that don't you think, (code shifting) and its quite reasonable to tone your accent down when broadcasting because of course, you'd like people from elsewhere to be able to understand you?

@@MrVorpalsword could be a degree of both... Maybe they developed stronger accents as part of an identity.. the catholics and protestants don't sound very different there at all

@@kaimcloughlin8981 do they now - if they come from the same place? - and I'm fairly sure the two sects have been separated to live in different suburbs more than they were in the 1960s.

@@MrVorpalsword if you couldn't detect the difference in accent between the two groups nowadays you probably haven't spoken to many of either party.. they each have their own unique sounds along with their common ulster twang

I think it’s because people have took pride in their common accents, this is probably the case across the U.K people generally go to the lower denominator.

Very true I remember George best talking about the troubles in northern Ireland and he remembered going to bonfires celebrating both catholic and protestant culture. It would be very interesting to get this mans perspective now after nearly thirty years trouble

The last speaker did seem fairly reasonable, but he made a gaffe Re Ulster, says he’s an Ulsterman, my grandmother was an Ulsterwoman born in Cavan, in the south, the ROI, he’s an Ulsterman only.

I've done a huge amount of reflection in relation to the identity of people from Ulster and can say there is a definite commonality across the province. After all Ulster pre dates the introduction of christianity and the two political jurisdictions we now observe. it has it's own mythology The Ulster Cycles. A good read is the book Alternative Ulsters. the commonality is striking particularly between McGuinness and Paisley . And I must admit I didn't really get a sense of Ulster identity from respondents from Cavan, moreso from Monaghan and most certainly from Donegal.

@@thomascarroll9556 Quite! My Paternal Grandfather was an Ulsterman. He was born in County Donegal. All my life I have referred to Northern Ireland as "The Six Counties". As you know the traditional Kingdom of Ulster is nine counties with three Cavan, Donegal & Monaghan in Eire.

@@nicholaskelly6375 was in Killybegs a couple of years ago (just a port visit on a cruise) some passengers thought we were in NI!

Yes, agreed, but he did say that "I think Ulstermen have been a separate entity for as long as there has been an Ireland......" which patently isn't true. Ulstermen only became a "separate entity" following the plantations.

yes he was very aware

​@@saddoncarrs6963 For all of recorded history, Ulster has been a distinct region with its own culture, mythology, traditions, dialect and leadership. It was at the heart of the Dál Riata in the early middle ages and the later O'Neill dynasty ruled there for about 500 years. The idea that Ulster in the broadest sense of a northern province, and Ulstermen with it, is a creation of the plantations or that the island was some entirely homogenous, borderless, monocultural entity prior to that, is wrong.

@@saddoncarrs6963 quite apart from the fact that not all of Ulster is in NI.

@@IrrationalRecreation exactly!

It's so eery and sad. All that horror stacking up and waiting to be unleashed on them all. We're doomed to never learn from the past.

@Murray David that old myth, The brits were there the prop up the state, yes they protected Catholic areas, but if u think that's why they were sent to North of Ireland your badly mistaken,

@Murray David so u think British soldiers had no other agenda being in the North? 🤔

@Murray David explain cause I don't understand what your trying to say?

@Murray David Part if it was also that they started recruiting loyalists for the are with things like the UDR, who sometimes just outright associated or gave the UDF weaponry. If discrimination between Catholics and Protestants had been ended sooner then the whole thing might not have happened. Heck, if it wasn't for the First World War then the entirety of Ireland would probably be a devolved country under the UK like Scotland or Wales, with the UDF being the chief troublemakers.

I would love to hear his contribution today

He joined the UVF , became a mass murderer

@@peaceandLove220 lies

He may have been persuaded by the soft-unionist movement for an independent Ulster, based on his positions here. Although, I think it has always been the case that within the union each home nation has its own identity far more so than a British identity and that would be true of the 6 counties also.

I wonder what happened to him.

Perhaps interesting but for the protestants in the south, they would say what? It's more political and ethnicity than religion. Also for him it was psychological like for anyone who goes to another country even of similar culture.

Kaide I'm from County Down and I'm Irish. Not some makey uppey invented nationality called Northern Irish. Not British. Not British and Irish. I don't share the same identity as an Orangeman or some Linfield supporter. I don't have the same allegiances or political aspirations as them. I have no shared history with them and I view the timeline of Ireland incredibly different from them. I've far far more in common with someone from Kerry or Dublin than I have with a Loyalist.

@@kincaidwolf5184 They are all irish, if a person is born in Ireland Whether it's north or south they are irish, they are not hybrids,

@@kincaidwolf5184 British is an identity it's not a nationality, you can be born in timbuck 2 and be british, the people of Gibraltar are not british though the british government will say that they are, their bloodline is Spanish, It's the same with the Hong Kong Chinese they may have british passports But they are not british, and the irish people are Celtic they are not british,

@@kincaidwolf5184 And the native america is the american Indian,

In 2021 folk in the Republic would look north and think it overally religious. How the times have changed.

@@IRISHATLANTIC N.I always Prod rule so they have no right critique south Rome rule.

He's a West brit

@@RobertK1993 an all island secular Republic. Religion is an outdated concept.

@@AnnesleyPlaceDub70 Yes Protestants in N.I did the same.

How times change, there the ones ruled by there religion now, the Republic has grown and move on,, Utd Ireland is coming

I see my own mother a good intelligent capable woman who let herself be led and said by the church. How did people allow themselves to be brainwashed by these things in Ireland it was the catholic church in northern Ireland it was Britishness in Germany it was fashasisam

@@littlebrayutd why do u think northern Ireland's? ruled by religion

@@edwardtanner6393 loyalist politicians are ruled by religion There bigoted base

@@littlebrayutd i think some of them may be influenced by t.he church . But not all . The unionist in northern Ireland would not have stood for the degree of control that the republic did post partition from the church . Can u give me examples of control the protestant church has today over the community ? To the same degree as the control the catholic church had over the republic . Certainly Sunday opening was 1 ,40 years ago . But the churches control in republic was massive .

Vox pop edits are the easiest to finesse any way you like it. Hardly to be trusted as representative of a time and place.

@Caden Patton Hamilton Mi5 started it.

So, republicans didn't kill civilians ! Is that what you are trying to say? However, I don't know of any Loyalists putting bombs in public places, thankfully, unlike their Republican counterparts, I think it may have been mooted, after some really low bombings by Republicans, resulting in the death of children! But as far as I know, Loyalist never stopped to such a disgusting, embarrassing low. Do correct me, if I'm wrong. ✌

@@shamelesshussy This shows a listing of children killed in the NI troubles (1970-1972) with totals being: 70 Dead under 18 years 25 were killed by Irish Forces 22 were killed by Ulster Forces 23 were killed by British Army 58 Catholic Children killed 23 by British Army 21 by Ulster Forces 14 by IRA (11 were killed by premature bomb explosions in houses) 12 Protestant Children killed 11 by IRA 1 by Ulster Forces

@@duncanedwards7840 no they they went further and killed an unborn

Has it really?

@@francismcdonnell753 The Republic has surely changed a lot in terms of the religious influence.

Most important thing is economically. The south at this time was poor and the north was average. Now the south is incredibly rich, with Google, Apple, Facebook, etc and a centre of the global pharmaceutical industry, while the north is poverty stricken and still with agriculture as the main industry. There isn’t even a motorway between Belfast and Derry, in spite the short distance, while Dublin is connected to every city in the Republic via motorway. Chalk and cheese from that time to this. Only a bigot or someone fearing retaliation for how the unionist community behaved in the past would oppose reunity now.

@@ckpalmeiras1318 spot on its almost like London doesnt care about them.

@@ckpalmeiras1318 the South is incredibly rich? Why then do people from the South go North to shop? I've been outside the RoI for years and am shocked about the cost of living now ,especially Dublin. The RoI may have all these giant multinationals but ordinary people are struggling.

Yeah we heard

Ahhh the dilemma......

Wrong in Eire he wanted to be British, so he went there, but in Britain he is Irish. He doesn't want to be Irish, but he I, so is the soil he was born and raised is Irish, protestant or not, he too is Irish..

The poor dimwits have no culture, nationality or identity, they don't belong anywhere and aren't wanted anywhere and cling to a foreign flag of convenience.

Infairness Orange Order Presbyterians ran N.I into ground if wasn't for IRA terrorism Roman Catholics would still be discriminated.

@@RobertK1993 catholics were granted all civil rights including 'one man-one vote' by the end of 1969, when direct rule was imposed. The Provisional Ira was only founded that year, so no, the Ira terrorism was pretty much pointless.

@@seantoner7392 No the discrimination stopped in 1972 but your right IRA wanted more then an end to Roman Catholic discrimination.

They weren't offering a critique of a non secular society if that is what you mean, they just fancied their own team's religion, just as conservative in most respects.

@@seantoner7392 FFS, legislation was introduced in 1969. It took decades for things to change. In fact, the last of the penal laws were only removed last year by the introduction of the Irish Act by Westminster.

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I missed the hair-dos, that's great.

That's the kind of woman I like. No opinion on that. Nice looking and sweet with four well dressed children.

How are Dubliners a separate entity

What like now?

@@TheBenzer9 no 10 years later in the mid 70s by that time the troubles reached its peak of sectrian violence.

@@TheBenzer9 que?

@@briandoherty245 ????

Not a free state any more its a republic . And as a lad from roi I've never understood y people from the North. Feel " uncomfortable " here we have many immigrants and we all work relatively well if an ulsterman was walking around talking no one bats an eye cause we are past that stuff . But I feel the north is kinda stuck in the past ( with all due respect 🙌) thinking we hate them and will kill them on sight it just isn't the case we don't really care but in a good way

@@fearmorpiercemacmaghnais7186 It's just that the protestants of the North are fearful of the power of the Catholic Church, they have no idea that many thousands of former Catholics, have the same fear.

@@fearmorpiercemacmaghnais7186 As someone from the south. Its the Free State. Not a republic. Even if it has that name. Republicans lost the civil war to a National Army backed by Britain and composed half of former British soldiers. Prominent Republicans, who had fought for Irish Independence were rounded up, tortured and executed by the Free State special branch. That same special branch thats overseen today by a former RUC man. The same RUC that aided loyalist paramilitaries in committing atrocities on republican and nationalist targets north and south. Ireland is a vassal state.

Well the south has came along way from there more progressive than the North now

Your comment is fascinating. You’re obviously a thinking person. I wish there was a way to get the name of the last man in this interview and find out if he’s still alive, and what kind of life he’s had. May I ask you if the divide is more the role of religion in a society, or is more political where some want to be governed by the UK or the Republic of Ireland? Also may I ask if a large or small part of the population has picked a side & stays segregated to their own today?

31 year old lad from Armagh; The Ulster Irish fought in the War for Independence,yes? What was our reward? Whilst the south grew up with the luxury of freedom,we were abandoned by our brothers in the south. Doomed to our fates at the hands of sadistic loyalist and unionist murder squads,backed by an empire. Labelled terrorists for fighting for basic human rights,in our own country,against an empire,fighting to deny basic human rights.In a foreign country. So,if you think it was about religion,ask yourself this; Who were treated better, The Protestants in the south,or the Catholics in the north? Don't get it twisted,it wasn't a Catholic v Protestant war,it was a native Irish v occupying Brit war.

@@colloquialsoliloquy6391 As a proud Irish man living in the republic of Ireland, I sympathize with the sad reality of how Catholics were treated in Northern Ireland. However, Thousands of Protestants in the south of Ireland were burned out of their homes or threatened with death if they did not leave Ireland. This happened during and after the war of Independence. Many were forced to move to the north of Ireland, Britain, Canada or Australia. Their stories fed fear into the minds of Northern Irish unionists. This did not help the Catholic cause in Northern Ireland!!. Not to mention, After Independence the republic of Ireland was deeply divided between the pro treaty and anti treaty republicans, not to mention a large minority of Catholics in Ireland who still had a dormant loyalty to Britain. During the Irish civil war, Irish men were more sadistic and brutal toward each other than the black and tans had ever been in Ireland. Many regard the burning of the Irish customs house by the IRA as being the most treacherous event to take place in recent Irish history because priceless Irish census, registries and records going back centuries were destroyed by the IRA. DeValera's protectionist economic policies and anti British undertones kept Irish people in deeper poverty than Catholics in Northern Ireland. Britain still kept Ireland fed for decades through emigration and trade. Ireland had achieved de-facto independence in 1914 through the "Government of Ireland act" just before world war 1, only to be scuttled by 1916 and the war of independence. Those events cemented partition. Recent Irish history is not as simple as you suggest, and much of the misery of the recent past has been self inflicted unfortunately!!

​@@dlougha Thousands? No way man,it was a few hundred,and even then,it was more the fact that these houses belonged to the same aristocracy/absent landlords that refused to help Irish people during the attempted genocide or "famine". It wasn't because they were protestant,sure most of our prominent republicans were protestant. If religion was our bias,there would be zero chance of letting protestants into the IRA,nevermind leading them Even if it were thousands,it still pales in comparison to the countless Catholics,raped,murdered or maimed in the 300 years of Ulster occupation. And the civil war only happened,because the Brits only negotiation offer was "split your country,or we will invade you and plant more Scots and English" People often forget that. The census issue I can't defend,only explain as being a shitty side to these wars. We consider De Valera to be a traitor,so I'll agree with you on that,from the economic wars,to silly things like the cod war,to protectionism(for what?! shoe making?!) what a clown he was. And lol Britain didn't keep Ireland fed with trade etc That's like when British people try to say "well we built lots of railways in Africa to help the people" no they built the railways to extract stolen resources faster. According to the Hague,and Holocaust Commission,Britain attempted genocide on Ireland through starvation,so nope Britain definitely did not keep Ireland fed,we were an agricultural society,that would have been fine,better even,if we had control of our trade with Europe for instance. And WHAT?! 1916 scuppered Home Rule?!! Britain,a fecking global sized empire....didn't have enough time or organizational power to get Home Rule through? Just...what? Obviously Home Rule was never going to happen,it was yet another promise that was reneged upon,it took two years of dying in French ditches for the Irish to realize that,and you think it was their fault?! Oh boy,Irish history is quite simple actually. In democratic times,we have been the guinea pig nation,to see how far people can be pushed,what lies can be told to make occupied people fight FOR you,and how to make at least half of that nation,believe that their owns struggle for independence...is what ruined their chances of independence.... It saddens me to see so many Irish people have given up on us in the north :(

No bro. Man’s pride and hate brought misery to this island.

@@colloquialsoliloquy6391 division between Protestant and Catholic had gone on for centuries, however it has always been the work of the British government in the escalation of sectarianism. From Cromwell to the Military Reaction Force (British Army Death Squad designed to imitate and work with Loyalist Paramilitaries) it’s British imperialism that caused such huge division and brutality. Take any other example from the history of the ‘Great’ British Empire: the Bengal Famine, the Great Famine, supporting the Apartheid Governments of South Africa, Mau Mau Uprising concentration camps... the list goes on. Your comment on “making occupied people fight for you... fighting for independence ruins the chance of independence” was a really great way of putting it.

I have both Catholic and Protestant family in Northern Ireland. My Catholic grandmother has a UK passport not an Irish one and several Catholics both family and otherwise have told me they are content within the UK.

For the longest time, polls of Catholics in Northern Ireland showed that the majority preferred to stay in the UK. So I find it interesting that you are amazed to witness it. Perhaps you've never seen it, but it's truly not amazing. With Brexit, the latest poll of all the citizenry show only a very narrow margin would choose to remain.

@@andrewdevine6333 Obviously your family member shaven't clue about the history of Roman Catholic discrimination in Orange state.

@@IExpectedBSJustNotThisMuchBS I bet once the troubles started they changed their minds

@@Irishrover101 your betting so you your playing the guessing game, stereotyping??

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Yes, I think It is the same attitude that brought about brexit. Back in the day, particularly in England, the education system brought their kids up on a diet of empire, monarchy, pith helmets and Spitfires - which, I think, sometimes makes it harder for them to absorb the realities of the modern world and their place in it. Large sections of their media don't help. It has left, particularly older Brits, with delusions of superiority and it may take some time for future generations to get over that mindset.

Lived in England for years. So many English people have a degree of Irish ancestry that on the whole they view the Irish as indigenous to Britain. In fact the 1949 Ireland Act deems Irish people 'not foreign' to Britain.

@@andrewdevine6333 "Not foreign" in official parlance, but we are pigeon holed as "not one of us" as soon as we open our mouth (accent)

@@andrewdevine6333 Britons where originally celtic people believe it or not way back .. Scots where irish settlers on the west coast of what later became Scotland True there's so much intertwined history between both islands but I believe we're two separate nations an deserve the right to be so ..

Jaypers... ok

Good man Ted

Us Proddies are a bad lot 😎

I'm a protestant actually father.

Orange wankers v Green wankers.🇮🇪

The Republic of Ireland is now legislatively and socially more progressive and accepting than Northern Ireland. Identity politics has such a strong strangle hold on so many people in Northern Ireland.

@@thisguy976 by progressive you mean more far left. The Roman Catholic church back then definitely had too much power but the swing to the social far left in Ireland and all over particularly northern Europe is crazy in my opinion. But as the biblical saying goes,as you sow shall you reap. In any case the issue with northern Ireland is proof of demographics having a huge bearing on politics and society in general. The reason so many ulstermen never really felt Irish but British is because ethnically they WEREN'T Irish but descendants of mostly lowland Scots and to a lesser extent English and even hugenots from the ulster plantation. That's the proof ethnic cleansing works. The reality is that northern Ireland/ulster is the UK's last colony.

@@Alex-dc3xp The reality is that it might work but only if it is executed effectively. Of course there is different demographics in NI now than the 1960s and obviously more that just two players. However, unionism is decreasing (to some extent) and also shifting and nationalism is (gradually) increasing. Although that is not a guarantee of anything. You can't really say ethnic cleansing works in the case of NI if the ethnic group that was inteded to be eliminated has not been. Even now, NI has less in common with the rest of the UK than ever before and especially very little in common with where the bulk of the population lives (England). England and Ireland have both shown that they want to be more progressive and innovative compared with NI which still lags behind despite all the financial aid it gets. To interpret progressive as merely 'far left' in the case of Ireland is reaching. Yes Ireland is a pretty liberal country in the scheme of things (similar to England, Northern Europe and parts of the US), however, Ireland has shown significant progression in the way of religious freedom, equality of opportunity, provision of education, increased quality and standards of life and social security. Its a far cry from perfect and that goes for every country in the world. Only a few small countries and principalities can achieve a very high level of progression in all social and economic aspects. Though, Ireland for a small nation it has got past a lot of hurdles both recent and historic and as such its a country that has shown it can roll with the punches. NI is dependent on its much bigger counterpart, England and, not being facetious, but England has shown it does what it feels like and it really couldn't give two plonkers about the rest of the UK. Scotland could handle its own outside of the UK. Wales is an uncertain case. NI just doesn't have what it takes to last by itself in the long run. It's guaranteed that the Tories aren't going to be looking out for the citizens of NI, they'll be looking out for the people who keep them in power (English citizens).

@Fíonán Murphy Dead on mate. You have no idea how people up here think. We're just 'Nordies'. So no I won't. A united Ireland won't change that and doesn't really bother me. There's a culture and identity that's apart from both the UK and Ireland. Regardless of Protestant or Catholic, this area of the island is different.

@Fíonán Murphy I like your stance on Scotland being British lol. Yes, my ancestors came here in the plantation from Scotland. That far back is entirely irrelevant to my point. This country has been through a lot in it's short 100 years and there has had to be a certain degree of getting along beneath the surface level troubles. That's resulted in "Norn Iron". As cringey as that sounds it's a real thing.

@Fíonán Murphy But yes, I'm not fussed on a political change in situation because the people won't change obviously. Think sometimes people up here have a bit of a complex for being treated as the problem child who doesn't want Mammy (Ireland) And Father (UK) to tell them what to do anymore ... We're 100 now Mam and Dad!

@Fíonán Murphy On the fence maybe. But yeah the Sinn Fein/DUP "at least we're not the other ones" campaign style is for sure beginning to fall apart. All the best.

It is to do with the Orange order, the plantation, where those divides originate from. In 1982 Gerry Adams said to the BBC newsnight reporter, "How are they a different people"?

@@blenderocean Peep o day boys became the orange order ethnic cleansing Roman Catholics in Armagh during the 1780s and 90s

Pakistani:

@@andrewmannson7543 Pakistan is majority muslim, India more like it.

@@eamondo1076 That's the joke. Pakistan was created to be a Muslim-majority country separate from the Hindu-majority India.

That’s unfortunate atheism is just an absence of divine love man. It’s easy to disprove the monotheistic all good and knowing god. But if you look for god in nature u will find him (especially if u take some shrooms too)

@@Kosovar_Chicken ha ha!!!

Funny that, England probably should have stayed out of other countries' business throughout history also (including as recently as the 2000s).

@@thisguy976 Hey snowflake. Since 1066 there has been over 70 invasions of Britain. Mostly failed. 1067: Edgar Aethling attacked the West Country twice (2) 1060s-70s: Sweyn Estridsson invades in the north and then East Anglia (2) 1208: The Channel Islands are seized by Eustace the Monk (1) 1216: The French invade Kent, which sees their leader crowned (1) The Hundred Years War 1217: Eustace the Monk invades near Sandwich 1 1338 to 1339: Attack on Harwich, Southampton, Plymouth, Jersey (twice), Guernsey, Alderney and Sark (8) 1340: French raids along the south coast; at least six landings (6) 1360: Attacks on Sandwich, Rye, Hastings and Winchelsea (4) 1373: Another French invasion of Jersey (1) 1376: Attack on Rye (1) 1377: Raids on Rye (twice), Rottingdean, Portsmouth, Dartmouth, Plymouth, Isle of Wight, Winchelsea, Folkestone, Southampton, Poole (11) 1380: Winchelsea attacked again (1) 1386: Winchelsea attacked once more. There were also landings in Kent (2) 1415: Isle of Wight attacked (1) 1408-1415: Raids on Isle of Wight and two on Dartmouth by French privateers (3) 1418: Winchelsea raided once more (1) 1461: French invade Jersey (1). Two other raids on Winchelsea during the war are referred to in documents. The years are not known, but they are distinct from the ones named above (2) 1487: Lambert Simnel, the pretender to the throne, landed in Lancashire, backed by a foreign force (1) 1491: Perkin Warbeck, another pretender, lands in Ireland to gain support for his claim (1) 1495: Warbeck invades in Kent (1) 1497: Warbeck invades in Cornwall (1) 1545: Isle of Wight, invaded by French in campaign that saw the loss of the Mary Rose (1) 1595: Cornwall invaded by the Spanish (1) 1601: Spanish landings at Cork (1) 1627: Barbary pirates land and occupy Lundy (1) 1620s: Barbary attacks around Conwy (1) 1631: Barbary sacking of Baltimore, Ireland (1) 1636: Barbary raid on St Keverne, Cornwall (1) 1640: Barbary attack on Penzance (1) 1667: Dutch landings at Sheerness and Felixstowe (2) 1688: William of Orange lands, leading to the Glorious Revolution (1) 1690: French raid Teignmouth (1) 1719: Spanish land at Loch Alsh (1) 1745: French-backed Jacobites landed (1) 1778: John Paul Jones raid on Whitehaven and Solway Firth (2) 1779: French raids on Channel Islands (1) 1796: French invade at Fishguard (1) 1940: Skirmish involving Germans at Graveney Marsh, Kent (1) 1940-1945: Nazi occupation of Channel Islands (1) If you learn history, you'll know that throughout history every country has been sticking their noses in other peoples business. Just that Britain was better than most.

@@Kosovar_Chicken atheists have a love of all humanity. To know that we are only on this earth for a short time means I know what is important. Also I have my own conscience to answer to not a god who let's me do bad things then confess them and everything is alright. I dont do bad things in the first place. Until people give up religion and believe in their own humanity there will never be peace.

This happens most people who emigrate anywhere .. They feel between 2 worlds.

Doesn't really make any sense Irish Catholics in the north and the south practice the exact same culture. You hardly fit in with orange culture if you are from England either.

Identity is complex. I was born in London, to one English parent and one Irish parent. Was raised on Irish history, would take great delight as a family at England losing to any other country on earth in sports, was included on parent's Irish passport as a kid and applied for both passports as an adult. Don't feel very much affinity at all for England, but rather London. Feel very much London Irish in identity, and if I was ever to relocate, it would be overseas, as cannot see myself living outside the capital at all. Feels more and more backward and 'little England' these past few years more than ever.

Conor Bradley Irish Roman Catholics in Northern Ireland have more in common with Republic of Ireland then they do with Great Britain/United Kingdom .

When this was filmed the Catholic population were getting a raw deal in Northern Ireland. Not long afterwards the civil rights movement started to address some of the issues.

Quite right and based purely on Christianity as catholics and protestants are,the basic message is love thou neighbour -got lost when religion was used as a recruitment and fighting tool. 2 true Christians would not fight.

🤣🤣🤣 maybe the UK was right maybe we should leave the EU too

I feel the exact same. I think some Catholics in NI are so quick to dismiss their 'Northern irishness' but like him it's something I'm proud of. NI is home and there's no place quite like it.

The North of Ireland isn't a country. It's a failed statelet.

@@Maxsmate agreed and I only realised that when I left :)

@@paddymuppy well Northern Ireland is technically a compromise and failed or not has lasted 100 years. Now it stands as an alternative to both Ireland and Britain and frankly it is better for it.

@@VectorTracker It literally isn't better off for it. Ireland has a much higher standard of living than the UK (second highest quality of life in the world) Higher pay, Better roads, infrastructure. The North of Ireland is the most deprived part of the UK. The UK is in the deepest recession of any developed country in the world. Ireland is the only country in Europe who's economy grew in 2020. www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/ireland-ranked-second-in-the-world-for-quality-of-life-beating-sweden-germany-and-uk-1.4440009 www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/ireland-only-eu-economy-to-grow-in-2020-1.4482192