Northernlion learns something interesting about toe walkers 

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literally, no joke, i had an autism assessment, and in the letter the psych typed confirming my diagnosis, when describing me, he listed that i was bald. i got medically diagnosed with bald as well as autism. buy one, get one free.

​@@thesezza492Anytime you see the way a doctor writes about you in their notes it sounds like a savage roast.

He trained his movie trivia so hard, he broke the limiter and became bald

@@thesezza492in mine i was additionally diagnosed as physically awkward and clumsy

IT ALL MAKES SENSE

Huh. I wonder why that is. I got an adhd psych assessment for free in Ontario.

@@hawkrivers-garrett9315 Completely uneducated guess here, I would think it's because ADHD has medical treatments for it whereas autism doesn't really. It has some therapeutic treatments to help cope/adapt and stuff but nothing chemical so it's kinda like "well what's the point of diagnosing you if we can't do anything about it" I think. Plus I don't think any provinces even cover therapy in the first place unless maybe if you're like institutionalized or something.

NL is like 34 and has a happy family, a decently stable job, and is (according to himself, at least) able to socially function in society Getting a diagnosis would be more “huh, neat” then something urgently needed. I got diagnosed at 6 and yeah support in Canada fucking sucks, it’s so bad in fact that every Disabled person in Manitoba had their info leaked from the Gov 🙃

honestly getting professionally assessed is overrated. if you think you're autistic and you weirdly have a ton of autistic friends (who all also think you're autistic) you're probably autistic no matter what some doctor says. like don't get me wrong doctors are good and necessary i'm not a doctor hater but fuck man the average doctor knows fuck all about neurodivergence

@@DraconicCatgirl Don't blame the rest of us for what happens in Manitoba brother

Bro did you just call this man's life his "Lore"?

​@@lorenzonoce9352no he referred to NorthernLion, the character portrayed by actor Ryan Letourneau

Also, my past thoughts about NL possibly being on the spectrum were not forcing an armchair diagnosis, but more so “if he were, I’d love it because he’d be great representation.”

And my initial thoughts 100% started when he was in peak movie year and trivia arc

Until you were 20? What happened then?

@@Enuchful I had technically been diagnosed at 15, but my mother decided not to tell me until I was part way through college, so effectively I was not diagnosed until then.

Mfers can't even have a personality anymore, just a collection of symptoms.

Thank you for putting my thoughts into words! I've had the same opinion for a long time but hasn't figured out the right way to say it.

Yeah man, I’m not on any spectrum but I can’t function in the modern job market sheerly because of my personality so I definitely agree with your assessment. I’m a big time introvert and I don’t like other people because I find everyone really annoying. I’m actually married and I even find my wife annoying sometimes, so I just like piddle around with shit and make myself busy so I can take a break and hide from her. In my last job, literally nobody did any work, so I ended up doing all the work every day. When faced with work within their domain they would basically make some intelligent sounding blanket statement to justify their existence in the workplace, say they were very busy, and then go back to socializing. They all just gossiped 24/7 about their lives and kids and shit. They complained to the boss about me for months until I got called in for a probationary meeting and then I told the boss nobody does any work and she told me every worker has value and I need to learn my place and smile more or some bs. So I quit on the spot. Haven’t been able to find a job for a couple months now. But yeah, modern workplace is pretty terrible.

"I've come to the conclusion that besides the most extreme cases most types of neurodivergence, autism, adhd, and what all, are just part of the normal broad range of personalities, and the only reason they are pathologized" They're pathologized because they're disabilities/developmental conditons/etc. The only reason people might think they're part of the "normal broad range of personalities" is because it's become popular to calls things that absolutely aren't autism, autism. For example, NL is with like 90% confidence in every aspect not autistic and not on the spectrum. Being a movie buff and associating things you encounter throughout the day with this hobby that populates a significant portion of your life is not autism or hyper-fixation. Being an introvert or having hobbies and interests doesn't make you autistic, having trouble sitting still or focusing to study doesn't mean you have ADHD, This is why self-diagnosis is so heavily discouraged.

The ancient Egyptians considered schizophrenics to be in touch god. Our current understating of these things are no better or more correct than older definitions just different. There is no objective way to know whether you are autistic or not and how to "treat it" since these labels are literally made up. Since your experience will always be unique to you do what you think is best for yourself instead of blindly following others. If you think labeling yourself something helps understand yourself better go for it but don't let these things define or restrict you.

Another huge thing I saw recently is an autistic person stopping cold in the middle of the room and saying something along the lines of "It seems like every trait commonly labeled as 'autistic' is negative or a perceived inconvenience to others" and it got me thinking about how there are thousands or maybe millions of autistic people right now who have less noticeable stims and don't struggle with eye contact and social interaction because they had patient and decent-to-fantastic parents.

It’s also nice bc i feel conversations like these de-stigmatise it to an extent like this whole video is actually very thoughtful humour and i think kinda shows neurodivergence in a kind and positive light which generally i would say i don’t get to experience that often with it being like hurled around as an insult among other things

@@violet4794 this is spot on. I just laughed my ASS off at this video and the humor was entirely, foundationally in good faith and I loved it. Talking about it in this way goes a long way to destigmatize things like that and I feel like thats important.

This is it for me. My favourite streamer being autistic as well would just be a nice little bonus, making him 10% more relatable haha. In general, it's just really cool how NL and his chat are very respectful about the topic and it makes me feel welcome in the community :)

@@violet4794 "I have a well-put-together life with a healthy social circle and only found out later in life that I even have autism" is a highly encouraging story.

Are you diagnosed yourself? Apologies as 95% of people I hear use that say it with pride and without a diagnosis.

Dude is a multimillionaire, he absolutely does not need to be crowdfunding his diagnosis. I agree it would be funny but if the whole McDonalds worker arc taught us anything, it would have the potential to be taken the wrong way due to sensitivities around the topic of healthcare.

what is the problem with aba? i dont know much about it

@@ellepalmer reread the part in parentheses

I hear you. There are times when NL talks about or explains something and I think, "That's the first time that shit has ever made sense". Currently scheduled for my own evaluation with a professional.

as someone that worked in an establishment that helps people with A.S.S, i can confidently say this isn't true at all.

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@@Mempavrai most every study and online resource would disagree with you

link them?@@bixdugan8300

@@Mempavrai most autistic ppl tend to stick to rigid rules and routines it's literally part of the diagnostic criteria

His left pinky toe is tistic

He do be dabbling in a bit of tism.

he got that w tizz

Omg can you imagine if you walk into the doctor's office and you're like "so what is it doc?" And he just turns and says "you're dumb as hell."

Literally that bit of the kid who won the spelling bee on the onion where the newscasters treat him as special. If you're smart and have an insane memory, you're autistic?

If his way with words is partially due to autism I've got to say thank you to autism for helping produce the egg. Honestly, this might be a little weird to say but when I enjoy listening to northernlion's banter and conversations with the chat I feel smarter just by soaking in that level of dialogue. This clip is gold for example but the fact that he's able to produce that level of conversation near indefinitely is so impressive. I can't think of anyone else that could play binding of isaac like he did for many hours and still articulate himself so eloquently throughout. His stream of consciousness is off the charts.

what....?

By that logic every doctor/lawyer/scientist/etc. who has conversational rapport is autistic. Since they've clearly memorized as much of their field as NL has trivia. Also playing one game that much covers a lot of gamers, be it Minecraft, Pokemon, LoL, WoW, etc. And I think the fact that streaming is his full time job is important to consider, and those are skills that get developed over time. Naturally it's harder to do and learn all that inconsequential stuff if you can only do it after 5 pm. btw I'm not saying he isn't on the spectrum, I just think the reasons given aren't that persuasive since they're all relatively common and attainable with effort.

they're based, +2

I'd rather not, but I feel you.

@@7yditchfits I'd rather not feel you, but I understand.

I was here

SmallAnt has hair

@@Pinstripe105 give it a year or 2

@@Pinstripe105 NL is Ant's Baldsona

@@Pinstripe105he’s BALD??

@@buddyisbored2355 Smallant is NL from the past. it's a looper situation

same here

that just sounds like broken feet waiting to happen

I agree. Mental disorders are categorized by preventing the person from living a normal life or causing high stress while doing so. Not something I would say NL has had from the way he describes his life on stream.

@@janismittelstaedt5642 Therapist here. I agree with this sentiment for functional purposes, but I think the representation of even sub-threshold symptoms would do wonders for his base. We already know there's a lot of neurodivergent people in this community, and they already look up to him - so it could be a big boon to them if he turned out to represent them, too.

no-one is defective :)

Yes people that went and got a multiple year degree have no idea about the thing they studied, surely.

i think becoming aware of symptoms and how they affect you can lead to some sort of self acceptance, and comfortability with “unmasking”. this is what happened in my case. maybe nl will have some comfort knowing he’s not alone in his way of thinking

Therapist in the US here. I wanted to second this. It's usually close to a year's delay at the best of times - and since COVID, everyone's waiting lists have gotten dramatically extended in ways that never quite went away. The uptick in service utilization is good, I think, but we're still working on getting as many clinicans and as much funding as we would need to support the new level of demand. Hence, 14-month waiting periods. NL, I promise they're not dicking you around. I'm 100% sure that the psychologist in question is fully booked out for the next year.

You know this isn't helping your case

@@noahmay7708 I was about 5 or 6 when I did it because of Halo, but it has irrevocably chabged the portion of my foot which I place my weight on.

gameplay is secondary

It's a golf game

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This made me burst out laughing at 2am

My poor reading comprehension skill made me think "oh shit, this is Messi in the RU-vid comments"

A lot of it is pop culture stuff. There's also overlap with it and features of social anxiety or other mental disorders. Poor socialization can also seem like autism, as can elements of introversion. You gotta see a professional, really. If you legitimately think you have it, it's probably a good idea to do so.

It's normal for neurotypical (NT) people and people with other neurodivergence (ND) to have autistic traits. There's a ton of crossover between ADHD, Bipolar, BPD, and Autism which makes it particularly hard to self-diagnose, and even to get a professional diagnosis.

If your curious you can just get tested, because people on the internet will make broad strokes, but the experts are able to determine what you actually have

You can have mild autistic traits or even be on the spectrum and not really have it negatively affect your life in any meaningful way. As long as it's not hindering you from living the way you want, it's not really important. Plus getting a professional diagnosis can be a pain, as NL said.

it’s his job to record himself playing videogames though, of course he’d have a lot of BoI videos when he has been in the industry for so long. I don’t think that’s enough of an indicator

As a fellow Canadian, he will never get that fucking diagnosis I guarantee it, as soon as I heard he emailed a psychologist I was like ok, how many years did they say it would be

Hey this isn't true. Heel striking is the intended form of initial contact in walking gait. I wonder if perhaps you're thinking of running gait? In that instance, initial contact should be made with the forefoot. Unsure of where you've found this information but it's certainly not aligned with the research I've encountered

If by the ball of your foot, you mean the front part that feels wrong. Like heel walking isn't good for you either, and neither is walking flat. Heel-toe rolling is extremely energy efficient and helps reinforce the musculature involved greatly. I didn't learn this until marching band in HS, but it really is probably the way our feet are supposed to work. The big thing is to ease into it as otherwise you can overstress your feet. But that's like any lifestyle change ever. As someone who habitually locked my knees like all the time that changed my life. As a fast walker, it really helped because it put much less stress on my hips. The only thing is it's not great for being barefoot in abrasive environments, as you have more rubbing, and it does still stress the hips and ankles if you try going too fast in the water. (I know this bc in PT I did for school, I ended up with calluses on my feet from rubbing the abrasive floor, and I would push myself too hard til my hips and ankles hurt, but that honestly happens no matter how you walk if you are walking too fast in the water)

​@@RalorPenwatHeel striking became way more popular when shoes started adding a ton of supportive material beneath the heel.

@kiiyll I mean like I said, It's also just good for energy efficiency, and it's not like the heel isn't already the most "padded" part of the foot. The thing to remember is that the way walking works is through resistive friction. And putting too much stress on any one part for that is just not efficient. Rolling through the form of the foot gets the most energy with the least stress. Shoes were designed to support that. We didn't suddenly reinvent walking because we got Shoes lol

@@Argoose-gz3zf heel striking IS the normal contact for walking on ground that enables for it. (it's also the way you step when carrying a heavy load) It's important to understand that the gait is different based on your environment. it just happens that we have made most of our environment rigid and hostile to our feet, and so we ought to contact with the part of our foot that cushions the most. that is why we built shoes with cushioning. However the issue with cushioning is that it completely eliminates the need to EVER walk with the middle/ball of your foot. This is why the feet of many modern people are weak and fucked up. If you have ever walked barefoot on grass riddled with pinecones, on rocky hills, on pointy gravel, you might have noticed how you change your walk so that you contact first with the ball of the foot. This is because you create an extra layer of cushion by including the joints and muscles of your feet to absorb the impact. The outer edge of your foot has flexibility to it. The structure is similar to your hand. if you poke at your pinky finger knuckle from the palm side of your hand, you'll notice that the knuckle moves up and down freely. but if you try the same with your index finger knuckle, youll notice that its quite rigid. The same applies to your feet. This flexible structure at the outer edge of your foot helps you not only to cushion your step on rigid surfaces, but also to lessen the pain of uncomfortable, pointy surfaces. When you contact with heel when walking barefoot, the force goes straight up to your shin and your knee, and up your hip. This is fine when the ground has cushioning. But if the ground is hard, or otherwise hostile, you can't healthily walk with your heel for long periods of time. It should come naturally that you shift your feet to contact on the outer front edge of your foot. Alternatively you can shorten your gait. but that slows you down. By contacting with the forward part of the foot, you "sample" the ground for a split second before placing your full weight on it, and you use the structures in your feet to shift the force through the length of your entire limb, rather than simply shock absorbing from heel up to the knee. The point isn't to tip toe. although i step with the front of my foot, I still leave a full footprint on the ground. I simply make initial contact with the flexible padding that is at the outer front edge of my foot. I've no clue what the consensus is by physiotherapists and fitness scientists. what I know I've simply come across over the span of years while casually reading on the topic. It started when I read on a 1600's martial arts manual that "your walking gait should be the same as your running gait" and I didn't understand what that meant.

everyone hoped your mom’s pregnancy was a bit but here we are

"hope this was a bit" my brother in christ have you WATCHED the above video? bruh 🗿

@@IanZWhite00 Surprised you managed to come out at all with your mother's drinking habits. By the way , next time you need to unload your insecurities about your birth and your parents wanting you. I recommend writing it in your journal, instead of being a dick unprompted.

Just look at how broad the spectrum is and how many, many individuals can go their whole life without ever being formally diagnosed. Many high functioning individuals also perform what's known as "masking" unintentionally, which can add an additional layer of difficulty when it comes to recognizing the traits of autism. I personally have total crackhead ADHD and there are a lot of similarities, but ADHD is its own separate spectrum with a lot of similar and even identical symptoms. I think it's more important, though, to understand these things in order to get proper medical assistance, as both autism and ADHD can make forward progression in life difficult. It's absolutely not always the case, but being able to talk about and recognize the symptoms can help individuals find the proper resources they need to address the barriers that impact their lives.

@@CrackBaby3I guess so. He's seems extremely analytical, but apart from toe walking (lol) . I don't think I've ever seen someone on the spectrum mask that well. Could be wrong of course.

what are you on about??

I believe he mentioned in the video that he would be paying for it. Not to mention the fact that an autism diagnosis doesn’t really make people feel superior-in fact society often makes them feel the opposite (including you, for dismissing the matter completely out of hand!)

Your tax dollars are covering the taxes that millionaires and billionaires don’t pay

I can see how his mannerisms in those BoI videos could give people the impression but I agree with the initial assessment he got, it’s just a personality thing

My dude has played over 4000 hours of Isaac, pretty sure that's on the first page of the questionnaire

@@PixyEm im no diagnostics expert, but i dont know that we can start inditing people with diagnoses for doing a job for a long time