A new push within the state prison system aims to reduce recidivism and the solution could be found more than 5,000 miles away. Itay Hod reports. (11-13-22)
Many people get distracted by the "luxury" element, but that isn't the crucial factor here. It's the "principle of normality" and humanisation. The contact officer, the ability to learn a trade and in general being able to live a normal life(without freedom) is what rehabilitates people, not the size of their TV... *And I have to point out that if a crappy TV and some IKEA furniture is considered "luxury" in your country, then you have more problems that just the prison system! :)*
So treu. The unites stats glovers have.there are all about materialism. It's there, holy grail. They don't see how humanity's is being destroyed day by day.
Do you want a person who has being threathed like shit in 20 years out so that he hates more ore do you want a person out better out than he was when he came in ??? Choose
@@kilocasanova6838 depending on the crime prison could be overboard for what they did. Only the worst criminals deserve it. You've never been in there so you don't know how inhumane it is.
More than changing the prisons, it's changing the state of mind of correctional officers that is necessary. In Norway, they are taught for 2 years, psychology, social working, human rights, ... It is a long way from what is done in the US where correctional officers only have a few weeks of lessons before getting the job.
I saw an ad for a 'corrections' job on my way to the 'interstate.' As soon as I saw it was for that I was like *NOPE.* lol I would not like to treat other humanbeings like 'animals.'
I know many level 4 former inmates that have moved on and become outstanding members of society. Many level 4 inmates are brainwashed and need protection from their own gang too. These people aren't monsters, the conditions they live in force them to be dangerous.
@@alvarez6487 i paroled from a level 4 on a strike violation. Now i hold a top secret security clearance and work for a company that makes military drones as a mechanical engineer. Go figure
@@zwozoa5630 wait, prison isnt for furthering their life..its PUNISHMENT. Period. Stop this mentality that blames criminals CHOICES not the decisions to choose. Look at our society as proof your way has failed.
@@MarcoBonechi Some of those prisoners can’t be helped, they too G, far too dumb, don’t rank out or whatever, some straight skante warriors, etc., they somebody inside, but out on the streets, they nobody, straight bums 😂 For example, there’s one guy, like 40+ years old, still doesn’t have a car, spends all his ‘money’ on fen, skante, whatever else and overdosed like 5+ times near death, had 2 of his kids taken away from him and everything else real bad There’s another vato, straight gang banger, last I heard he was an addict, possibly dead now, from the city of SantAna, got a girl pregnant when he was around 15 years old, chose the streets, his varrio and drugs, left his baby ma and his kids, now both of his sons are now adults grown up without a father cuz he’s a bum and an addict, useless to society There’s a bunch just like those 2 up in the pinta, and most come out as useless bums, who genuinely don’t care for their family or children 🤦♂️ the most useless foos ever 😂, so everybody is not the same up in there Quite a bit never denounced the G life, still reppin inside or some kind of SNY gang, etc., as for some, it’s all they know and have. California is different, possibly the most segregated and militant inside too across the country
There are inmates from all over the world in Norwegian prisons. Those who work there say that there is no difference between Norwegian inmates and inmates from other parts of the world. If you treat them with respect, they change. If not all, then enough for you to break the cycle.
while prison reform is laudable, it doesn't address the brutal inequities that will await American prisoners upon release. In many states released prisoners have no help, are barred from food stamps, face having no health insurance like much of the population. In Norway, with its highly developed and extensive welfare state the ex cons enter a humane and caring society unlike here where brutality, austerity and just plain mean-spiritedness prevail.
Amen to that! I was about to write on screed on job training in prison, but realized it doesn't matter if prisoners can't get decent paying jobs upon their release. We can't even get a $15 minimum wage, which is _not a living wage._
@@fulanichild3138 Entry-level jobs shouldn't qualify for $15 an hour minimum wage. Entry-level jobs are not meant to sustain yourself or raise a family. Entry-level jobs are for young people entering the work force who must learn work ethic and how to be on time. They require no skill. Something that can be easily learned while at the same time, leaving you enough time to better your skills to get a higher paying job to sustain yourself.
@@glidercoach It doesn't matter what you think of the job. Anyone working a full-time job should be making a living wage. I know someone who bagged groceries until he was around 25. He is not a highly skilled person, but he lives on his own (not in his parents' basement) and drives a car and performs a service. Why shouldn't he make a living wage? The last few times I've been to a fast food place, I have been served by middle aged people. You have been propagandized to think that minimum wage jobs are filled by teenagers with no real expenses because they live with their parents. That's how they get you to support a rapacious system.
Sometimes I get the question, are there many homeless people in Norway? Sometimes I answer briefly. In principle, we do not have homeless people in Norway. In 2006 we got NAV in Norway. NAV is a merger of the employment office, the social security office and the social services office. This is what NAV says Temporary accommodation (emergency) NAV will help you find a temporary accommodation if you urgently do not have a place to sleep and stay the next 24 hours. Who can get? NAV will find a temporary accommodation for you in emergency situations if you are unable to do this yourself. Such emergencies can be in the event of a fire, family or marital breakdown or if you have been evicted from the place where you lived. What can you get? NAV will find a concrete and accessible housing offer. If you do not have the money to pay for the temporary housing yourself, you can apply for financial social assistance. You can stay in a boarding house, hospice or other suitable accommodation. NAV must ensure that the temporary housing offer is justifiable. The requirement for housing is stricter if it is families with children or young people who are to use the housing. How long can you get? A temporary accommodation offer should help you in an emergency situation, and should only exceptionally last more than 3 months. NAV will give you advice and guidance to help you make a lasting housing offer. If you are unable to safeguard your interests in the housing market, the NAV office can assist you practically in obtaining a home by, for example, contacting landlords or joining a viewing. Statistics If you live in Norway, without a residential address, you will be defined as homeless. Those who are considered homeless in Norway make up 3,325 people. 2020 ( 0.62 per 1,000 inhabitants. ) The vast majority of homeless people have a temporary accommodation offer 67 percent were born in Norway. 1/3 Lives with family or friends. 1/3 Lives in temporary housing. 1/5 Are those who are discharged from an institution or imprisonment in two months, who do not yet have a home. Four years pass between each research. Researcher. "The decline in Norway is due to a long-term effort. The municipalities, and especially the large and medium-sized municipalities, have worked systematically over a long period of time to reduce homelessness." "Another finding is that there are very few without their own home who sleep outside or in a night home without a stay during the day (so-called emergency services). The vast majority of homeless people have a temporary accommodation offer." - Researcher Evelyn Dyb, NIBR, OsloMet (The numbers I have used are from here)
@@petermiller9904 You have no idea what you lose being locked up !!! I'll add a few things you would never think of... seeing colors, smelling smells, seeing at distance and seeing the things you don't get to see inside... hearing sounds and what's making them... seeing and hearing people young and old... that just a few things... you can elaborate on each one... and so much more... the food SUCKS and it's always the same...
Norway's prison system doesn't deal with the level of offenders or number of offenders that Salinas Valley State Prison has. If you put Salinas Valley in Norway the inmate would run Norway
At its highest, California had 174,000 prisoners locked up. Norway has around 4000. California reduced the number of prisoners to under 100,000 and crime skyrocketed. These puff pieces on prison reform are a joke.
The way they actually implement it in Norway is they work with businesses while completing their sentence. The current system we have for education does not work for the average under-educated inmate. The education system we have in general in this country is designed to push all people forward, learned or not. There is real reform that needs to come universally before you can hope to fix just the prison system.
They do, but for it is for lifers that will not get out and known repeat offenders/lost causes. They are like the hospital, they want folks coming back...
I'm from Norway. Imagine this situation. You get a killer as a neighbor, but you have 2 choices. 1. Man sentenced to 21 years, and served in prison for 21 years.He has been harassed daily in prison.He does not like society, neither inside nor outside prison , he knows he is a loser, he has given up, he gives a damn about society. 2. Man sentenced to 21 years, he was released after 14 years due to good behavior (2/3) In the 14 years he took the schooling he should have taken when he was young, and he has papers that he is a good car repairman . He is looking forward to the day he is a free man, there are three things he will do then, he will find a place to live, and find a job, he knows he will get help for that, the third thing is a girlfriend, but there he will have no help. one thing is for sure, he is not bitter on society. Who would you choose? It's not just about the neighbor, it's about the safety of us all.
Imagine this, a man given every possible opportunity to educate and reform himself while in prison. Special yards are made for those who want to think and act differently. Educational, drug abuse, emotional, mental health, medical, work, vocational, visits (from family and friends),Wi-Fi, special guest (from rock stars to actors to politicians), classes of all kinds (including acting, paint, yoga, etc). All of this and more for free. All that is asked of them is to follow the same rules as anyone else in the “community “ that they will return to one day. Some will avail themselves of such a great opportunity. Most, will not and stay the course that brought them to prison. Each man will make their own choice. If what is available now, is not good enough to persuade a man from a criminal path, what will adding more do for those who are determined to be the next thug rap star, gang leader, or ethnic superiority bulwark?
@@boskee No, not out of thin air or anything approaching that level. Nor out of any particular body part. Just from close observation. Norway I am sure is a nice country, but not everything is translatable to other countries. As you can see, I am not rude to you. Evidently, the same cannot be said of you. I have worked for 29 years in such in environments and I can say without reservation, first hand experiences talk for themselves. Statics can be skewed and numbers hidden. Some will avail themselves and most will not, just a fact of life.
@@briank.3539 most get their life together in prison in Norway, becayse they get their life together, they go to "work " in prison make food and do everything a free person do, so when they get out they get everything they didnt when going in. Most criminals just had a bad life before going in and shen thats fiksed, most get it together. But there will allways be people who cannot be fixed
Couldn't agree with you more! Also, private prisons have lobbied politicians for more offences to be added into law and more tougher sentences because more bodies in prison means more profit for private prisons.
Actually, USA is now counted as a 3rd world country =P It was recently decided, based on studies on number of homless people, amount of violent crimes, numper of people living under the poverty line, etc, etc, etc.
Why doesn't California worry more about the growing number of crime victims rather than making life better for those who perpetrate said crimes. What a joke.
When you take someone's life, your life should be taken as well because you don't deserve life. (not talking about self- defense cases) Criminals must be punished to the extent of the law or otherwise crime will go higher. Why should taxpayers be burdened even more and feed criminals from their hard earned money? Rid the society of this filth! If you don't punish criminals, they will do it again and hurt innocent people. Whoever came up with this stupid idea should pay out of his/her pocket for it and pay the damages for victims and their families if his/her idea increases crime. How about making life more "humane" for victims and innocent people?
@@sundhaug92 lol the only reason recidivism is lower now is because criminals are not being arrested and when they are they’re not being sent to prison. They crimes are being committed at higher rates, including violent crimes which have rose almost 8%. RAPE has risen 7.9%.
@@posttenebraslux7571 I think equal focus should be put on inmates and victims. Even if this type of prison costs more, the idea is that in the long run it will drastically decrease reoffense rates, meaning there are less victims. With this, the prison populations should shrink and money will be saved.
I work at Costco Salinas. About 10 miles down 101 we have Chular where this prison is located. Been more than usual prison orders..Pizzas and pastries. Thanks to WE Tax Payers.
Norway prison looks better than California in general. Norway doesn't have the same population or demographic challenges to contend with and nowhere near the levels of violent crime. We have a ridiculous amount of people who are proud of being criminals here.
yeah it is not easy or quick miracles and lot of other things need to change in California to get prison population down. But I think this is a humane thing to do and will help to get crime down. But dealing with homelessness and poverty in general is needed too, among other things.
@@misanthropic4ever Well sure, if us prisons were like in Norway and nothing else in society would change, I bet many people were to commit crimes in order to get inside prison. We all know that u,s prisons are not going to be like their Norwegian counterparts, as long as the poverty is not dealt with.
New prisons don't pop up over night, it is quicker to try out new ideas in existing prisons. The norwegian prison pictured is a new prison, but the ideas it uses and is based on are what we use in Norway for our entire incarceration-system.
There has to also be a change in society and have 2nd chance when they get out. Not all states have a program. As well as the existing laws make it hard to turn around especially when there is no 2nd chance.
Considering it works in Norway and has for decades, simply put: You're wrong. The evidence against what you are saying, is massive. People with an attitude like yours is what is preventing the success.
@Adrian Stensrud lmao. Right. I had that mindset for the years I worked in reentry. Willfully ignoring the red flags. Boy, was I wrong. Are people capable of reform? Yes, I've seen it, but for those, it came from strong bonds, not programs that provide for a few months, then throw people back to the streets. My mindset was like yours, I learned my lesson. Prison work changed my life.
@@cougarbee so you think those with those strong bonds don't exist in Norway? I know it is easy to defend something when you're so deep in it, because the alternative means admitting that you have used so much time on something that does not work, and it is a horrible though to think all that time could have been better spent. So you just perpetuate your narrative and pretend that it is either hopeless, or that keeping on doing what does not work, eventually will.. because "it just has to". As I said, the evidence is massive. It's right there, for decades, on the scale of nations (the Scandinavian ones) - yet here you are claiming it cannot be. Willfull ignorance indeed. It's a shame that you let yourself be broken down into hopelessness because you lived in a system that does not allow proper execution of things that ultimately work and make society safer and more productive.
@@cougarbee Of course, there is no use with a program that lasts a few months. The whole system must change, and the programs must become permanent. When the inmates are released, they must be offered a gradual adaptation to life outside prison. They must also be offered education which shows that it is not provided by the prison, but by the local school.
@@cougarbeeThe previous comment was a bit rude. But it DOES work, their recidivism rate is 25% after 5 years. America is 44% after 1 year. Norway spent years devising up systems that factor in psychology. They commissioned white papers to be presented to parliament. Everything down to the trees on the prison campus, to the correctional officers office designed specifically small to incentivize participation with inmates, to the material choice for the prisons being sound dampening such as cork and wood, to the color of officers gloves were calculated to ensure rehabilitation. On top of that correctional officers are trained and receive schooling on criminal psychology, de-escalation, etc.. The American system of re-entry is trying to slap a band-aid on a decaying system. It wasn't your fault, no one person can change lives if the system is inherently not designed in such a way.
They have tried doing that when they outsource prison labor as slaves for local farmers and people but here's the reality inmates are lazy unethical and immoral people who would have guessed they don't exactly make a good workforce so a farmer can't beat his slaves in 2022 and therefore the farmers canceled the contracts with the prison industry because the slaves don't work, and then there are plenty of lower level prisons that are work prisons called fire camps and other things and that's who does most of the firefighting in California for instance in the mountains are inmates
How about a good report on all the victims of crime? Prison is for punishment. I have known at least 8 felons and not a one of them changed. This bleeding heart reporter is a joke.. has he been mugged or violated by a felon?? Lock them up longer and stop the luxuries they get !!!!!!!
Are you stupid? Did you not listen at all to the video? Prison is for rehabilitation, they even say it in the video that this is the new direction prisons are going because punishment is not working. These people will get out and could be your neighbour in the future. Either you get someone that the prison has spent time on to rehab so they can function in society, or you get someone that has been treated worse than animals that has no idea how to survive outside. You going "they must be punished" is the same as saying you favour revenge even if it creates more victims. It's like you staring your daughter in the eye saying "we must humiliate these prisoners even if you get assaulted for it, humiliating them is more important."
4:14 26 to life for a CAR JACKING?? WHAT the hell? Prisen up to 2 years in Norway. Seems like you need a MASSIVE overhaul of the time being given for different crimes.
Most likely had priors and was charged under Californias 3 strikes law. 2nd strike results in the doubling of your sentence. 3rd results in 25 to life. My guess is he was on his 3rd strike
As a Norwegian it boggles mymind that American's who LOVE the constition can no see that the "Norway Model" IS actually an American Idea. No cruel or unusual punishment.......well the PUNISHMENT is the REMOIVING OF FREEDOM.....everthing else is actually vengence
@@alexblazquez2277 The constitution is bs, DT proved that, we all know that! US system needs reform, prisons, schools, police,supreme court, and you bring the 19th?! lol really ?!
Prisoners in general are the result of generations of bad policy. In a sense, whether you like it or not, they are victims too. There is a reason why prison is made up of kids that age out of foster care, ethic minorities, people who grew up in poverty, people who were victims of child abuse, people with mental health issues and learning disabilities, people who grew up with bad housing. Think of the bigger picture here and be more objective. Basically all of America's biggest gangs were produced and cultivated in prisons. The bloods and the crips for instance were founded originally as prison families to protect black inmates from racist violence. Bad prisons make your communities more unsafe.
I think this is good idea but they gotta give them marketable blue-collar job skills training (pipe fitting, carpentry, big-rig truck driving, etc.) in prison too so when they leave prison they can find a job. Or the other way is to just kill them if they offend more than twice (3rd time) and sell their healthy organs to hospitals to help off set the prison costs.
Yeah the prison pictured is Halden prison, which is houses some of the worst criminals in Norway, and the ideas are fundamentally what we use throughout our incarceration-system (which even includes some low-security open prisons)
One thing that could help would be to lower the length of the prison sentences. In the US you can be put away 10 years for things that would only give you a fine, had you lived in Europe. Maybe I'm exaggerating a bit, but the point is, people get locked up a lot longer than they need to be.
People don't come out of US prisons reformed. They come out traumatized, hardened, and with very limited options for a good life on the outside. It's about time we recognize that what we are doing is not working and open our minds to change.
Dude if you get yourself sent to prison especially for violence you don't deserve consideration. Kinda funny actually the idea that a criminal deserves "options for a good life". Life is hard for normal people who don't commit crimes why do criminals deserve to be considered f-off.
@@OQUINN83 If the death penalty were a deterrent, crime would have ended millennia ago. Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result is the definition of insanity. We need a plan B for our broken prison system.
@@fulanichild3138 The death penalty is a deterrent. That's why it's not used in a timely manner. The state wants chaos to control the public. People don't snitch on gang members because they *know* they will be dealt with, fast.
There are so many other factors as to why Norway has a lower rate of convicted criminals that reoffend after they are released from prison. It's the same with Switzerland, the citizens have a very high level of gun ownership, but you don't see the level of violence/murder rate in Switzerland like you do in America (it is not just because there is a larger population in America then Switzerland). Just compare the violent crime /murder rate in countries with a similar population to Switzerland (such as Honduras and El Salvador).
You have explained why we reject your bullshit. If you come to Norway, you have to stop distrusting your vision of government and start trusting mine. The only people who are told to not look down, are the people who are looking up. We will protect you whether you're from Scotland or China.
It's a 4 star hotel compared to America. In Norway that's less than normal. But if 95% of prisoners are going to be released regardless, would you rather they leave learning nothing, and likely commit more crimes hurting society. Or one who is now trained or educated in some useful skill for society? Again, they're getting released regardless. For the 5% of heinous crimes, they shouldn't have these luxuries. But we're speaking of the 95%
Stop with that shit. I think this whole idea is ridiculous mostly in America but your black and white shit is bullshit. I spent 6.5 years in prison and got out and have led a decent life after and i have a wonderful family. Lots of my friends got out and started their own businesses and are successful,probably more so than you actually,and have beautiful families. There are pieces of shits inside and out of prisons,some of the COs are more evil than the inmates and there's piece of shit people everywhere unfortunately. Get real.
I'm assuming you or no one you love have ever made a mistake. Most people are people, not monsters. Some make bad choices and are remorseful. Doesn't mean they should have to suffer indefinitely based on the offense. Treating someone without dignity actually makes you a monster regardless of their offense. It truly frightens me how irrational people respond when they know nothing of the character of a human being.
@@savaget2058 183k are locked up for murder, imagine the victims and the families of them suffering from the loved ones murdered. Murder is not a mistake, murder is not equal to manslaughter. What about 164k locked for rape/sexual assault? They not locked up for viewing inappropriate naked pictures, they locked up for sexual violence. These two groups dont deserve dignity, as they showed none to their victims. These two groups are monsters.
So this whole video was to explain how in Norway the prison guards walk hand in hand with the inmates on Long private walks and that's what's going to happen in California I must have missed something
I think they should help the work force especially those looking to get out an also certain work for lifers some hope man maybe that's what the world needs
Our system has and is actively holding Anders Behring Breivik, who killed 77 people who were mostly teenagers and bombed a building. But, at the quantity of the extremists in US, maybe it wouldn't go so well, as he costs $1 million to hold every single year. He is the only person arrested in Norway ever that the public have wanted the death sentence for. (Something he will not get, but he will be locked up in our prison-hotels for the rest of his life)
They do. You're not unique. But there are less of them because the rest of society is built to not let people in to powerty and crime from the beginning.
This is such poor reporting bec. Norway's system is very different from CA. That study is a small pilot one not taking into account the full gamet if violators, and even Norwegians are doubtful about the reform; it costs much more money than trad. prisons, they could not roll it out nation wide. When reporting is this bad on a volatile topic, it's irresponsible and egregious.
We are not doubtful about it, although there is a very small minority that debate it from time to time. Long-term it is more successful, as people on average spend less time locked up and more time being a functioning part of society.
California prisons are Criminal University. Gang members learn so much about crime from other criminals, because once a person is criminal they have little to no chance going the traditional job route due to background checks. They make connections with other gang members from their county and the surrounding counties and all over the state if they are looking for particulars. They become desensitized to violence. It makes commiting violence an easier option for them once the come back out. They learn to survive, to combat other criminals and their groups, to evading and outsmarting outnumbered law enforcement, habits they take back home. Dehumanized more violent more intelligent criminals, that's what the California Department of Correction creates.
I don't understand why haven't there been anti discrimination laws against people fire or not hiring due to someone past criminal record, I thought society is about giving people another chance?
@@alvarez6487 Same God had to put Lucifer in prison because he became a nuisance. If you love them so much join them in there, the rest of us are better off without you and them.
@@Callitwhatitis Like I said, please seek help because you are filled with hate and vengeance. A lot of conservative claim to love god but when it comes time to shove you be the most racist and ignorant people. Many of you are too dumb to even read a book much less take a criminal justice class. I bet you still believe in burning people alive, who knows, you may want to bring medieval punishment back.
@@Callitwhatitis I feel sorry for the future victims of these inmates who will be released after serving their prison sentence in USA prisons and will emerge as even worse criminals than they were when they entered prison! It all comes down to what kind of future neighbor you want! Do you want a healthy reformed man who has been helped to become a useful and productive member of society who will not be a threat to anyone, or do you want to take revenge and then get a beast for a neighbor who will cause you problems! The choice is yours!
Thank you. I said the exact same thing and have been when people bring up this ridiculous idea. Imagine taking Chicago's inmates and dropping them in Norway. They'd turn it into the third world hell hole they've turned everything else into. People need to wake the hell up to what the REAL problem is.
When you take someone's life, your life should be taken as well because you don't deserve life. (not talking about self- defense cases) Criminals must be punished to the extent of the law or otherwise crime will go higher. Why should taxpayers be burdened even more and feed criminals from their hard earned money? Rid the society of this filth! If you don't punish criminals, they will do it again and hurt innocent people. Whoever came up with this stupid idea should pay out of his/her pocket for it and pay the damages for victims and their families if his/her idea increases crime. How about making life more "humane" for victims and innocent people?
Make sentences longer. Make punishments harsher. Innocent Californians are suffering because of stupid progressive policies like these where scumbag criminals are treated better than victims of crime.
I mean, that isn't a bad idea. A series of studies have found that improving prisoners' nutrition reduces incidents of violence by, on average, 30 per cent. And a golf course along with more recreational activities would help with violence rates and suicides too. This would end up costing the prison less in the long run.
This is all fine and dandy? But what happens when people start committing crimes on purpose? because they want better living as apposed to living homeless outside in a tent? I guess the point I am trying to make is we need to tackle both issues? Because one affects the other?
No one commits crimes in order to go to prison in Norway. Prison is a loss of freedom even if you get a roof over your head and food on the table. Also, don't forget that if you manage to reduce the recidivism rates, you won't have to spend huge amounts on keeping people in prison. There will then be money left over that can be used to improve the lives of all the people in the country.
@@ahkkariq7406 Well here in America it's a different situation, lots of mental illness! Lots of homeless people out here have mental illness not to mention Drug addiction.
@@robertbenavidez7164 It's not different. 90% of inmates at Halden prison have some form of mental illness. The difference is their correctional officers are actually trained and schooled for 2 years on mental health, criminal psychology, etc.. They also have an import model where they can import psychiatrists from the local county or city to work there.
There's no "compassion circle" in Norway. That would be considered a violation of privacy. It places the inmates on stilts in a psychological sense when they are demanded to do an emotional thought process before they're ready. A very bad idea that can destroy the whole progress. Where did that moronic woke idea come from, America? Didn't you understand anything you saw when you visited Norway?
We cannot expect America to adopt the Norwegian system overnight. They have to start somewhere, and if some of the inmates benefit from these compassion circles, progress in their healing process and refrain from committing new offences, in the long run there will be fewer people in prison, and new methods can be used. Vi kan ikke forvente at Amerika skal adoptere det norske systemet over natten. De må begynne et sted, og hvis noen av de innsatte får utbytte av disse compassion circles, kommer videre i sin helingsprosess og unnlater å begå nye lovbrudd vil det på sikt bli færre mennesker i fengsel, og man kan ta nye metoder i bruk.
@@ahkkariq7406 What we can do though is to expect that they actually avoid making their system worse instead of better. If «compassion circles» is what they drew from their visit in Norway they may need to go back and learn the process all over. They couldn't make a worse choice even if they wanted to.
Norway is a different culture, you can't put American crooks in hotels and expect them to change, it will be seen as being rewarded for doing evil. Inmates should simply be kept in isolation from other inmates, it's their influence on each other that's making them worse. Put them in their cell, if they behave then give them things like access to t.v. and books but keep them away from other inmates. Also, corrections officers shouldn't interact with inmates either, there's a lot of corruption in this group of people also.
Yall never tried it tho… it didnt use to be this great back in the days in Norwegian prisons… 60-70% went back and now its like under 20 or 20 something
@@Law19157 Sure, but you'll have to finance building more prisons then. To increase prisoner capacity it cost about $1,000,000 per prisoner. So if you want to send us the population of Salinas Valley State Prison which is about 3,000 prisoners you will need to pay $3,000,000,000 to increase our capacity. Edit: Looking up how many prisoners you have in the entire country, 1.2 million, we would need $1.2 trillion to build prisons for and hire 10% of the Norwegian labor force as prison guards to get the 300k prison guards needed. For your country size a more appropriate prisoner population would be 445k prisoners, which still would be a lot.
@@Law19157 My mistake. I misread my sources. I've found better sources and here's what I found. So we have a prison with the capacity of 100 prisoners. The budget was $36 million (source byggmesteren domain as under 2017 under 11 under 16 under to-bygge-fengsel-agder ) and the price ended up being $73 million (source statsbygg domain no under prosjekter-og-eiendommer under agder-fengsler ). Yea, something weird is going on, especially since they're saying they managed to build it so effectively related to price and time. Domain is "dot" and "under" is slash
Killed in Norwegian prisons. On 4 March 1989, a young female prison guard from Ila prison was raped and killed. It was after a visit to the cinema, it was on the way back to Ila that it happened. Strong criticism was directed at the management. Today there are always two prison guards in such situations. The murderer was sentenced to 17 years, which he served but was not released. He died in prison on 20 Nov. 2019 11 December 1992 The clock has just struck midnight. an inmate got a gun in through a window, from a friend, they made a bit of noise and suddenly he hears someone coming down the stairs. Outside the door, a prison officer wonders what is going on, and the inmate replies that he wants to go to the toilet. (Today there are always 3 officers in such a situation) Inside the cell in Sarpsborg, the 23-year-old fires a shot at the chest of the prison officer at close range. which falls and stays on its back. As he lies dying outside the prison cell, the inmate runs up to the guard room and threatens the prison officer with his life. He forces the prison officer to drive to Oslo, the next day he surrendered. He received 17 years for the murder. A 56-year-old from Poland killed a fellow prisoner on 25 February 2017 in Ringerike prison. The person killed was 58 years old and a serial abuser who was in custody pending an extensive assault case with 39 victims. The youngest of the victims was 12 years old at the time of the crime. He was killed with a knife. He has explained that he does not like sex offenders, especially pedophiles. The man was sentenced to 21 years in prison He was serving a 17-year sentence after murdering a workmate in November 2014. Then he fired a shot at close range to the back of the head. "Wife abusers, pedophiles and rapists often end up in prison characterized by violence, threats and harassment," says a prison veteran. (This is done by the other inmates.) What they all have in common is that they have spent most of their adult lives behind bars.
And who's paying for all the amenities for these prisoners? They're living better than some working citizens. Nothing like rewarding criminals, that's what it boils down to. Anybody ever give any thoughts about the victims of these crimes?
Those few amenities aren't that expensive, and when you consider the reduction in recidivism and other improvements it's worth it. That's not to say that the quality of life for other people in the US shouldn't improve, but this isn't about "rewarding criminals" but about breaking the cycle.
You can’t compare US crime to Norway. They’re population is smaller than LA county. They don’t have crime like we do. If I was Unhoused in the US and the prisons would look like Norway I would rather be in prison at that point.
Prison is good in early life, but is a death sentence later in life. People have become successful after stints in prison, my cousin is a good example, went to prison after highschool, got out, and is a senior, over 20 years experience, HVAC contractor. There are those who've also become millionaires learning a new skill, solitary confinement gives some so much time to learn a trade. But if you go in 35+ it's bad! Those over 35 should get probation and only get prison for something extreme cause literally it's a death sentence.
I agree something has to be done but when they get out of prison they also have to stay out of trouble and not get put back into prison. People can keep comparing Norway to the US and how it used to be and then when they changed the prison system it all changed but I don't think it's going to work exactly the same here.
As long as a prisoner are inside of the jail it cost alot of money for the taxpayers, and you are paying for it.. If you get them back to real life and get a job, its like dobbeling up.. The person stop using tax money and instead bringing in tax money working.. There is never a good idea to put somone in jail that could be a hard working citizen for a petty crime.. And private jails in the US is a money pit, some jails even pay judges to send kids to jail, as they are goverment funded pr captia in jail.. Thats the worst part of it in the US, private company earning money on people getting locked up..
I have contractor access to Federal Prisons and on a recent job I saw an inmate throwing a big fit at commissary workers , kicking gravel and just yelling and screaming. Turns out they changed his Chee-Tos to Doritos,. I was stunned. U.S. prisons are not that bad. They get plenty of recreation and junk food
If that means they won't create more victims when getting out then yes it is meant to be easy lol. You people are legit psychos arguing that taking revenge takes priority over protecting the public.
It's cheaper on tax payers to keeps these rotten apples in jail. Let's start solving the fatherless homes and bad parenting issues first, that be a good start that would likely lead to less incarceration.
Error. It is cheaper for society if people stop committing crime. And btw - believe it or not, many of the inmates already have children. The treatment they receive in Norwegian prisons makes them better fathers, which will change the lives of their children as well.
California prison system is always trying to follow another state/country blueprint. It doesn’t work in California, the inmates and the politics they push is different than any place in the world, no matter what “softer/kinder” approach/project California adapts because it works in another part of the world, it will not work in California for many reasons, but the main reason in my opinion is because the California inmates politics overrides everything else, the end result will be casualties, and don’t be fooled by these wardens and captains and other administrators praising these experiments, they have to speak highly of the project regardless of there true opinions, that’s the CDCR way.
Implementing this prison system would only be successful in the US if the entire society, government and ideologies got revamped. It would need a solid tax foundation (Norwegian prisons are extremely expensive) and it would require belief of second chances, something that many Americans struggle with. If you do a crime, you need some form of punishment. In Norway, you are punished by the fact you lose your freedom, but you don't lose your life and your ability to get back to society and change. This means that Norwegians are much less likely to re-offend. Norway's system is superior in just about every way (and ranked the best in the world), but as I said, it would require a total revamp of the US as a society and country..
There is a criminal culture that isn’t going to go away by making prison more enjoyable. These people aren’t in prison for stealing a loaf of bread to feed their family.
Yes, in fact many are. Many prisoners are filled with people who gone to jail for drug possession and non-violent crimes. There is a crime culture because the environment is so poor that it creates people to be annoyed and frustrated. These conditions create a recipe for disaster.
@@alvarez6487 so then why isn’t every poor person doing time? Are you familiar with the term plea bargain? Just because they are in for possession doesn’t mean that’s what they were going after them from the start. Laws are not a hidden secret. they understood what they were doing was not allowed, they knew the chance of doing said acts could land them in jail and they chose to do it. Accountability is so lacking in this world.
@@perfectzero84 Wrong, I am sure that you are not familiar with the inequities in the criminal justice system. Judges are under-staffed and many of the cases aren't given proper time to review because there is too many cases to revise. To add, plea bargains happen because its understood that if you appeal and lose the case then you are at- risk of spending a ridiculous amount of time in prison then if you accepted the charges. Especially if you are black and a person of color. The juries are more inclined to give accused people of color tougher sentences and find them guilty because of personal prejudices. Also, many people of color can't afford a well respected lawyer to represent them so why risk going to jail for a long time if you lose the case?
@@perfectzero84 LMAO don't speak about accountability. There is no accountability in the criminal justice system. The system is corrupt and racist. The laws are ridden in people of color and the poor's favor. In America, there is only justice if you could spend 1 million dollars in a case, many people don't have that money so they take the plea bargain.
@@alvarez6487 So they never had a choice to not break the law to begin with? Nobody is say thing the system is perfect and EVERYONE knows this. With that being said why would you still break laws knowing that you are going to face this unfair system? If I knew speeding was going to land me in jail, you bet your ass I’m following the speed limit. Don’t do the crime if you don’t want to do the time.
Higher levels of poverty, less safety, more homelessness, more inaccessible healthcare/education, no welfare, corrupt officials and the list goes on and on. Americans aren't bad, their environments give them no choice but to commit crime.
Funny how he commented that the policy back in the 80's was to lock them up and throw away the key and they realized that didn't work. Well yeah of course it doesn't work when you don't actually throw away the key 🙄 this whole article is about reducing prison recidivism and completely contradicts that mantra.
