Now this is an upgrade! 

Indeed. i noticed that water tower too. Those aren’t cheap either.

Indeed they do lol

Gotta be a few hundred grand.

Even if my electric bill was always $500 a month a setup like that would never break even.

@@2hotscottpro sometimes it isn’t about breaking even, sometimes, you don’t have other options to get electricity.

True. Very true. That plus sides though are that he at least employed Scott and his crew and because some people can afford the expensive stuff, there are cheaper, less capable units that that also are then created and sold to the next lower tier of the economy.

come on only 20% I am already happy 😊

If I recall that is 50k just in the eg4 batteries and I can not be sure yet I am sure those sol arks are 8k each. This is likely a 150k dollar system. Yet if you are 100% on electric for heat and cooling and lets just assume they have a very high end electric bill of 6k per year which gives a pay back of about 25 years. Sell excess energy and you could see a payback in 12.5 years maybe. The real kicker is that these people likey have more than enough battery power that will extend the life of the cycles for 50 plus years.They also could be running crypto miners which cost them nothing. With all of that extra energy could could run miners all the time and cost you nothing. Even if the crypto market is down lot of miners shut down operations because they can not make a profit yet because its solar you can keep mining and just moves your pay out time much longer yet if the price goes up to pay it off or upgrade you can do that. Just more free money.

@@kameljoe21 their power bill could be even larger than that, they probably power lots of power tools too for a garage/shop, well pump if they use well water. Where I live, if I use $300~ of electric, my power company literally charges me ANOTHER $300 in FEES! I can use 2500 kwh of electric in a month, and the power bill will be $550-600, with literally HALF of it being FEES! They should get a decent ROI, but the peace of mind that they can survive grid collapses, SHTF scenarios, and stuff like that, is also great. Plus, all of their equipment still holds value, even if it does depreciate some, it still increases the property value, so if calculating that, then their ROI is even better. So if they spend $150k on a system, and after depreciation say it's still worth $100k, then they only need to get a return on investment of closer to $50k, while still having all of the other fantastic perks (non-grid reliant, SHTF situations, self sustain, pleasure of owning such system and being their own utility company). All I know is, this setup is GOALS!

@@whatta7793 Yeah ROI for a lot of people can be quick. Though most people just do not have that kind of cash to drop for 10 plus years of electric bills. This system is mega big and I would not mind having it.

Yeah! I was just thinking I had a fairly large system until seeing this one! LOL

Even Will is impressed lol

Gotta love that power energy.

Right... Man Im just starting out but already know that I'm going with solar fridge and freezer on a small 12 volt system and have a modest 48 volt that will run the lights, TV and AC.

@evertking1 I would highly recommend the 48v system's. But much smaller system's than most. I run a deep freezer and lights off a 600w system 200Amp hour lifepo. In Michigan of all places. Inverter is a 3k. Of course we live much more frugal than your average Babylonia/Roman out side World. But if you need a system as big as this one, well I'd take a look at self needs.... verse self wants...

@@6969smurfy agreed. 48V systems have better roundtrip efficiency too, and a lot more future options for expansion etc.

He's got 8 individual MPPTs there, if I remember the specs right. He can simply replace the damaged panels on 7 strings from the 8th, free up the 8th MPPT entirely, and then set it up with whatever panels are available in the future.

Many are going 1000vdc too. Look at Altis.. they are offering MEGAWATT cbarging at up to 1400A in liquid cooled conductors

There are high voltage scc i believe up to 400v... There are inverters that are high voltage too... Theres a channel using high voltage scc and inverter.

You can too. It’s all about priorities and doing without the unnecessary things in our lives.

Back of the napkin math on this one: 96 x Q-Cells, $198 each, that's $19k before discounts. 36 x EG4-LL, $1300 each, that's another $46,8k. 4 x Sol-Ark 15K-2P, $7k each so add another $28k. We're already at $93k before we even add in cabling, panel racking, battery racks, custom rack supports and labor. This is a $200k job easy.

@@fullsleevetats Yeah so we both did similar math, I just stopped when it hit 100k and was like never gonna happen lol

My imagination immediately thought of grow rooms.

Roam culture. Amish got it figured out.

That’s only 150 KWh of battery. So if running a couple of AC units over night and maybe also own one or two EV’s and they’d be empty. I can use up to 200 KWh daily especially in winter running heat pumps (4 of them) for my house and barn, and water well that fills the pond and so on.

@@clintelawson I average between 205-265 kWh/month (minisplit for AC and shoulder season heating, wood for the other few months), although I don't have an EV.

i need this much power. but i have no sun for like 2 months

Yes, mentioned in another thread that even in installation manual for these panels 2 rails/purlins per panel is the MINIMUM. They should have specced it out for 4 rails per row if wind was a concern.

i was thinking the same thing

You don't need alot of Money. You need alot of reduction of the Roman cultures. Check out how the Amish do it. There the best example.

*I wish I had a small house....*

I have seen those mega packs. They do look quite cool. Yet most people do not use that much energy and a system like yours has to be on the 100k range. Though you did not state if you were off grid with solar or this was a back up system.

@@kameljoe21 yeah just over $100k (all battery/inverter fully equiped/wiring etc). I'm disconnected from PGE so off-grid electrically. 230kwh is a bit on the high side but with the bad storms during winter months, having a normal size house, you need a lot of battery storage, I think people tend to lowball the requirements and then get anxious. I've dropped down to about 40% capacity for a few days, usually drop down to 50% for the dec/jan months a couple of times. And that's in California where we do get sun during winter months.

@@wcoekaer That is pretty good. I did a basic calculation and found that if you spent 100 even and at 22 cents and used an average of 100kwh per day it would take you 13 years to pay for itself. My question is do you have an EV because if you do then that is where all that extra energy is going which could be a really good thing. I think we pay right now 16 cents per kwh and we use quite a bit less energy that you do. I would like to go 100% electric when I build a new house in a couple of years which is where I want to put in some solar. Nothing like what you have. I am considering using EG4 branded mini splits which can run directly off solar, grid tied or a combo of both. In the end the pay back time should be far less overall. The only problem with going full solar is the cost of adding batteries. I intend to buy used panels if I can find a supplier that can also supply ground racking, I would ideally like to install 50kwh of solar installed for no more than 40 cents a watt. Even if I have to have help to install it myself. I would like to find a battery less invert that can be stacked yet this poses a problem because I have only found one unit so far that has that option and I am not even sure if they still sell that model anymore. If I can go battery less with grid tied then I wont worry about the grid going off as I can stil have power during the day. With a stacked unit I can over size the units by one. and the 40k solar will be more than enough to power 4 to 5 stacked inverters and the other 10k is devoted to the heating and cooling system, which can accept a max of 3kwh of solar.

@@kameljoe21 if I had the ability to connect to PGE it would average at like 40c if you have a decent amount of consumption. I do have an EV (2 on regular basis when friend visits) charging. pay for itself in my case was a different choice - I don't have power at the street, it's 700ft away, so my cost to have utility power would be 700ft of underground cable (100% my cost). I'm better off with my setup right now :) But one thing I have learned is that it's very easy to undersize and underestimate solar + battery needs for normal living arrangements. especially if you're disconnected and have no backup generator. December/January are rough months. Size for those. sure, I have 4x more power during 50%+ of the year than I need but that's because I need it those 2 months.

@@wcoekaer Yeah. I've considered going off grid, but living in Erie, PA where we average less than 1 sunny day per month in February makes it difficult. I would have to have a windmill for the winter months. Winter production for the 3 worst months are less than 10% of the summer months.

I saw one installation out east with crushed quartz under it (over drainage ravel/geotextile) for just that reason.

If you look at installation manual for these larger panels most will mention that 2 rails (4 bolts per panel) is the MINIMUM. If you are in a high wind area or installing even larger panels you can use up to 4 rails per panels (8 bolts per panel). Vikram 540W panels require 4 rails just to get the "normal" 5400Pa load rating. So they should have installed 4 rails per row instead of 2 if wind was a concern which would have made big difference.

The only thing I hate about all in one inverters and system like this is they have no option for battery less. What happens when or if something goes wrong with that battery bank and you had to go days or week with out some form of energy. Let say you have no grid and no generator. There is one mpp solar all in on that I know of that is batteryless yet you can not stack the unit. If I could just buy the inverter and solar and stack them along with being grid connected then I would opt to get started right away yet because they do not offer anything like that then there is not point. No I do not want grid tied stuff. I want an off grid system that just has no batteries or the option to add them later. EG4 also makes or brands a mini split with heat pump that can be run directly off solar. In this case I would I am opting to have these installed. I priced them out and to get started right now today I would need to spend on the low end 6k with brand new panels, Cheaper if I bought used panels. This would be enough to off set half of my heating and cooling cost and pay back would be 3 years. Though I am hoping to have everything done and ready to build in 2 years. I would like to build new with solar and that really depends on the job I am working on right now and if it will pay out as much as I think it will.

@@kameljoe21 With that many batteries and inverters, there is little chance of ALL of them going out at one time. Even two or three of the batteries going out, (or even a whole six-stack) even with one inverter going out also, wouldn't shut down that system. One would only have to maybe budget a little less power per day, until replacements could be shipped.

typical concrete is 3000 psi and greater. That's pounds per square *inch*. The only issue with the concrete will be if the ground under the concrete isn't compacted or washes out. The racks tho...

@@Sylvan_dB This is absolutely correct. Plans for the last 20 years or so call out for 3500 psi concrete where I live. One of my trucks can weight as much 25,000 fully loaded running over my shop slab everyday for almost 20 years I have no cracks at all. The thing that will destroy concrete, however is tree roots. This is why you should never plant large trees near walls or slabs, unfortunately people do this all the time and they simply destroy concrete.

How much weight do you think that garage floor holds with your Escalade sitting in there on 4 small tire patches?

The new LLs have more dip switches to allow higher addressing.

Good question. I wonder if white concrete underneath and making a "pond" of water would not only add reflective power, but perhaps keep the panels cooler. (I live in the southern CA desert, so cooling is more important than heating much of the time.)

Which manual?

Leave expansion room. It’s not that much.

It’s real nice when you get a full container from the factory. They’re all always in pristine condition

My QCells had bottom panel smashed.

I didn't see how big the house is, but even if you've got decent insulation, triple pane windows etc... if the house is big enough, say for a 5 bedroom two story with a basement in the NE USA (~3000 sq. ft/floor) or south-central Canada, based on what I've seen from people's usage, I wouldn't be surprised to see 2-2.5 MWh/month in summer with AC and 4-6 MWh/month in the three coldest winter months if heating with an air source heat pump system. Say 38-43 MWh/year depending on the weather. Peak single day load in winter of 300+ kWh/day for the odd -10 °F (-23 °C) cold snap. And that's before EVs.

The ground surface under the bi-facials is in shade.

About 30k if you deal shop. Way less if you get surplus solar cell arrays.

@@777trader8 Exactly. Just the batteries in my much smaller system cost $20K! Four Solarks? a lot more than what I paid for my two 5000W Growatts!

The 4 Sol-Ark 12K Inverters alone would be $24-28k. I don't think I've ever seen them on discount or used anywhere. One rack of EG4LL is $10k.

Ground mount .