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NTSB Animation - Rapid Descent and Crash into Water Atlas Air Inc. Flight 3591 

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This animated reconstruction shows the sequence of events in the accident, which occurred at 12:39 p.m. central standard time on February 23, 2019. The accident involved a Boeing 767-375BCF, N1217A, operated by Atlas Air Inc. as flight 3591 carrying cargo. The airplane was destroyed after it rapidly descended from an altitude of about 6,000 ft mean sea level and crashed into a shallow, muddy marsh area of Trinity Bay, Texas, about 41 miles east-southeast of George Bush Intercontinental/Houston Airport, Houston, Texas. The captain, first officer, and a nonrevenue pilot riding in the jumpseat died.
The animation begins at 12:38:10 p.m. central standard time and ends at 12:39:02 p.m., just before the airplane crashed into Trinity Bay. The end of the animation transitions to a surveillance video showing the rapid descent and impact into the marsh area.
The animation is reconstructed based on information extracted from the airplane’s flight data recorder (FDR) and cockpit voice recorder (CVR), Automatic Dependent Surveillance - Broadcast (ADS-B) data, air traffic control communications, and aircraft performance data. The animation does not depict the weather or visibility conditions at the time of the accident. The animation includes audio narration and audio of the alerts in the cockpit.
The animation screen is divided into segments to display different pieces of information simultaneously. The upper left of the screen shows a three-dimensional model of the airplane and its orientation during the accident sequence.
To the right of the airplane view, at the top of the screen from left to right are three boxes with a digital readout of the airspeed in knots, the Go Around status, and a digital readout of the altitude in feet. Below those boxes are representations of flight instruments; from left to right the instruments and indicators shown are:
• Analog airspeed indicator showing airspeed in knots, along with a digital readout. The analog airspeed indicator includes a stationary maximum operating speed barber pole indicating 357 knots.
• Attitude indicator showing pitch and roll attitude, and an airspeed tape on the left showing airspeed, the airspeed trend vector, and the maximum operating speed barber pole, which becomes visible as the airplane speed increases and altitude decreases.
• An analog altimeter showing altitude in feet with a digital readout.
The lower left portion of the animation shows selected excerpts from the CVR transcripts as text appearing at the time indicated in the transcript. To the right of the CVR transcript, a profile view shows a plot of the altitude in feet versus horizontal distance in nautical miles; the plot updates as time progresses. The profile view also shows a dashed line near 3,000 feet altitude labeled ‘Cloud base - estimated’.
Next to the profile view, from left to right, the instruments and indicators shown are:
• Speed brake handle position.
• Right and left thrust lever positions.
• Control wheel/column icon depicting the recorded positions of the control wheel (rotating right or left) and control column (moving fore or aft).
The animation begins at 12:38:10 p.m. central standard time, with the airplane descending through 7,000 feet at 234 knots. The thrust levers are near idle and the speed brake handle is in the extended position. At 12:38:31 p.m., just after passing 6,300 feet, the Go Around mode is annunciated, then the thrust levers move to maximum thrust and the speed brake handle is moved to the armed position. The control column is pushed forward and the airplane pitches to a steep nose down angle. At 12:38:57 p.m., at 400 knots airspeed and passing 2,260 feet altitude, the control column is pulled back and the airplane begins to level out. The animation ends at 12:39:02 p.m., with the airplane at 433 knots airspeed and 300 feet altitude.

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@deeanna8448
@deeanna8448 3 года назад
I keep thinking of that poor jumpseat pilot who was just hitching a ride. He had just been hired by a major (United I think) and was going to start class. Had a young stepdaughter and a new baby boy.
@hellosunshine1090
@hellosunshine1090 3 года назад
God comfort His wife & children in JESUS name ! I'm hoping they're finding peace & meaning despite the Tragedy....
@MorganHillJr
@MorganHillJr 3 года назад
@@hellosunshine1090 God could have prevented this, but oh well I guess.
@DanielE15
@DanielE15 3 года назад
@@MorganHillJr God is not your or anyone's cosmic butler. Thinking so is narcissistic. Sorry. Bad things happen to good people because this is an imperfect world.
@MorganHillJr
@MorganHillJr 3 года назад
@@DanielE15 I agree, the entire idea is ridiculous.
@sbalogh53
@sbalogh53 3 года назад
@@DanielE15 ... So why would "God comfort His wife & children in JESUS name !" ? Religion makes so much sense.... NOT!
@kofManKan
@kofManKan 3 года назад
288 knots and I'm stalling. Excellent.
@christianjackson
@christianjackson 3 года назад
my dude really took "you can stall in any airspeed at any attitude" to heart
@donmoore7785
@donmoore7785 3 года назад
Says the man making comments from the comfort of his couch. BMOC.
@christianjackson
@christianjackson 3 года назад
@@donmoore7785 gaming chair*
@46bovine
@46bovine 3 года назад
All he had to do is look at his instruments and ignore what he was feeling. I've been there, and I'm here to talk about it!
@Zarcondeegrissom
@Zarcondeegrissom 3 года назад
@@46bovine yeah, agreed. management and training, not to say vetting of inexperienced pilots that needed more time practicing flying by instrumentation. They simply should not have been on that flight, to begin with, it's just sad.
@B767400capt
@B767400capt 3 года назад
As a 757/767 pilot and Instructor pilot for 20 years at a major US carrier (10,000 hours in type) here are a couple of observations. First of all, the TOGA levers are not "easy" to hit as some are saying here. In all my years and hours in this aircraft I cannot think of one instance where myself or folks I was flying with accidentally hit the TOGA levers. Apparently, this FO did. That said, had it happened most pilots would simply acknowledge that, opps, I hit the Go levers, disconnect the AP and Auto throttles and manually level off the aircraft asking the pilot monitoring to reset the flight directors and autopilots, tell ATC and continue the descent. For the non-pilots out there reading this, that's how this rare situation would have been handled by professional pilots who had progressed to flying transport category aircraft. It would have been a non-event. If the reports are true about this guys training and evaluation history, most US carriers would not have hired him and at some point in initial or recurrent training would have busted him. Given his history most carriers wouldn't have hired him.
@subsonicflighttraining
@subsonicflighttraining 3 года назад
Two weak birds on the flight deck, that much is for sure. With Atlas, I don't know if this FO was on the 747 at all, but in the 747 the A/T disconnect thumb switches are on the backside of the thrust levers, where the G/A switches are in the 767. Encountering turbulence maneuvering around weather in the descent, his speed started to drop off. With a jolt of turbulence that the video said was "light", he was at F1, GA mode armed, and I think he pushed the GA switch thinking he was disconnecting the A/T to correct the speed, jet pitched up, he thought he was stalling, disconnected and pitched over aggressively. A very firm "I have control" would have backed the FO off the flight controls, but I have a feeling the Captain stared in disbelief and just started pulling back while the FO continued to push forward. Like you, I am an IP, check airmen, FAA Examiner on both the 747 and 757 for over 30 years. I always warned guys transitioning from the 757 to the 747 to be careful not to confuse the A/T DISC switch on the 747 for the GA Switch on the 757. I have seen in the simulator in the heat of the moment guys push the DISC switch at minimums in the 747, thinking they are going to activate the GA mode. They usually catch it and then push a TOGA switch on the front side of the thrust levers, or manually advance the thrust levers and then push TOGA, habit patterns are hard to break if you were on the 757/767 for any length of time. Don't know for sure that is what happened here, but unfortunate for the jump seat rider, he had 2 weak guys at the controls...
@Hedgeflexlfz
@Hedgeflexlfz 3 года назад
I heard that from other 767 instructors, they have never seen a student accidentally press the TOGA levers. Why was he continually hired and kept by airlines?
@joshuakuehn
@joshuakuehn Год назад
@@Hedgeflexlfz I heard on another video that he was supposedly a "diversity hire" which confuses me
@tedf.5055
@tedf.5055 11 месяцев назад
Grammar police here. I think you mean oops. Consider this just a verbal warning.
@ajs41
@ajs41 9 месяцев назад
@@Hedgeflexlfz Apparently the FO was in the habit of wearing a very large wrist watch, and it may have been this that accidentally activated the G/A switch. He's seen wearing it in several photographs.
@kevinallen1699
@kevinallen1699 3 года назад
Who else is here because of Juan Brown over at blancolirio ?
@mikedee8876
@mikedee8876 3 года назад
juan sent me
@rtek816
@rtek816 3 года назад
me 2
@patriciamariemitchel
@patriciamariemitchel 3 года назад
Me.🙂
@anonincognito617
@anonincognito617 3 года назад
Me 3
@sqlpilot9711
@sqlpilot9711 3 года назад
Me 4
@6777Productions
@6777Productions 3 года назад
Thank you once again NTSB for All that you do and your thorough explanations
@kylemockeridge5468
@kylemockeridge5468 3 года назад
This is what the back story here is: The guy who did this failed training at three other airlines. Failed his ATP checkride twice. Got hired at a small shitty airline then failed his simulator rides twice and didn’t upgrade. Failed his aircraft type rating checkride at his cargo airline. Accidentally hits a button while flying, panics and pushes the nose of the airplane over while low to the ground, reaches unheard of descent angle and airspeed, and kills him self and two others. Others said he would “start pushing a lot of buttons without thinking about what he was pushing.” For 99.9% of pilots, a single checkride failure is frowned upon and needs explanation if they ever hope to get to a major airline. Two checkride failures, forget about it. Rumors said he threatened to sue for racial discrimination after his failures.
@sygos
@sygos 3 года назад
diversity is our strength
@cocospops9351
@cocospops9351 3 года назад
@@sygos gravity is racist
@elky82
@elky82 3 года назад
affirmative action strikes again! Too bad innocent people had to die, it could have been much worse
@DeltaXFish
@DeltaXFish 3 года назад
So being black equals bad pilot? Or do you mean this guy should have not passed into becoming a pilot. It sounds like you are saying the pilot was not qualified and they had the evidence to prove he has not qualified.
@wlfgang
@wlfgang 3 года назад
What about other guy? They were both beginners if so, otherwise other one could have corrected the problem early.
@upgrayedd9732
@upgrayedd9732 3 года назад
There's no amount of training or re-training that would have made this pilot competent.
@maxhardover9772
@maxhardover9772 3 года назад
That wasn't very diverse or inclusive of you.
@apieceofdirt4681
@apieceofdirt4681 3 года назад
Max Hardover lol
@peepa47
@peepa47 3 года назад
I strongly disagree
@gotacallfromvishal
@gotacallfromvishal 3 года назад
BUT I NEED MY PRIME DELIVERIES NOOOOOWWWWWWW
@katovomkozies
@katovomkozies 3 года назад
He was the company's greatest strength 💪!
@atsdroid
@atsdroid 3 года назад
What impressed me about this animation: how short was the window of time from when TOGA was mistakenly activated to when the situation became irretrievable. Just about 25 seconds to confirmed doom. Thinking about it, I'm also reminded of the Learjet crash at KTEB. And while I'm at it, I'll toss in the recent and tragic PIA crash, where they landed on their engines, essentially, before crashing for lack of power to finish what was by then a doomed decision to execute a too-late go around. Mentally falling behind the airplane while on approach is a terrible place to be. Fortunately for the future aircrews who might study these accidents, valuable lessons are laid bare. Above all, know what you're doing and why. Poor airmanship placed all these crews in a position where superior airmanship would next be required to salvage the situation...and you can see the likelihood that this necessary skill would now be forthcoming. I'm not on team-Airbus, with a mentality that making future designs even simpler for pilots and leaving the flying to the machine is the answer. A gallant crew of a 777 with two dead engines following an iced-up fuel system is but one (of many) examples that teach us the real, everlasting reason why we passengers want quality human flyers on deck, regardless of automation at their disposal. Automation is a valuable tool, but we still need everyday heroes who stand a chance of saving us from bad engineering, or situations some designer never contemplated, or could imagine. (And I recognize that in the present case, if this crew but trusted the automation, even activated in error, it was performing properly and would've kept them from harm while they caught up mentally. It's all part of the job of sound judgement.) Aviation is exacting. Before this string of bad luck, the commercial side at least was a shining example of the best of both the engineering and human skill worlds. Aim higher. I applaud the NTSB for its steady work in helping highlight the lessons still to be learned. I think we're doing this part right. We set blame aside for a time and concentrate on understanding what happened and how bad outcomes might be avoided in future.
@vfactor2
@vfactor2 3 года назад
This guy had no business flying a 767 - that much is clear.
@takingthescenicroute1610
@takingthescenicroute1610 3 года назад
I would go further and say anything not VFR. I'm going to wager a guess he snuck peeks through the hood during instrument training sessions and the CFI never caught it.
@admlorenz
@admlorenz 3 года назад
This is the type of person that will crash anything.
@AnarchyEnsues
@AnarchyEnsues 3 года назад
He was a diversity hire. Got to get them numbers up... any one else would of been fired long ago.
@noz4567
@noz4567 3 года назад
Cal Wayne Discrimination and prejudice
@vfactor2
@vfactor2 3 года назад
N. Ozdemir Can you explain what you mean by that?
@BIOHAZARDXXXX
@BIOHAZARDXXXX 3 года назад
Just like in AF447, the First Officer single-handedly crashed a perfectly functioning aircraft.
@TrentonLipscomb
@TrentonLipscomb 3 года назад
pitch + power = performance
@csours
@csours 3 года назад
At least in AF447, there was potentially confusing information on the instruments due to the iced pitot (at last as I understand it). Definitely not excusing the FO. I think I'm pretty smart overall, but I've never had to deal with a critical situation with multiple confusing inputs.
@marceloluizfigueira7208
@marceloluizfigueira7208 3 года назад
You get what you pay for. And that's also result of: - Friendship over professionalism; - Low training Flying is far beyond than pushing throttles forward.
@tomstravels520
@tomstravels520 3 года назад
Cameron Sours it wasn’t that confusing. The sped indicators were lost due to icing. All they had to do was to go to preset pitch attitude and thrust setting and wait for pitot heat to melt the ice which should be in the manuals
@makecba
@makecba 3 года назад
@@tomstravels520 even though i agree 100% with you, night time in the middle of the Atlantic in stormy weather can lead to any pilot being startled by a chime. Shouldn't end with the aircraft on the bottom of the sea though..
@greyjay9202
@greyjay9202 3 года назад
With a checkered career like that, you have to wonder why he wasn't grounded. There are many very good pilots, and then there are those who do not belong on the flight deck. The difference is a matter of life and death.
@DanielE15
@DanielE15 3 года назад
Affirmative action
@Sylvan_dB
@Sylvan_dB 3 года назад
Too many people did not want to hurt his feelings.
@KuostA
@KuostA 3 года назад
AFFIRMATIVE ACTION litterally killed 2 innocent men.
@Sylvan_dB
@Sylvan_dB 3 года назад
@@KuostA No. Personal responsibility is always required. He knew he was failing. Nobody forced him to keep applying to new companies and failing to report his previous experience as required. AA literally enabled him to crash that plane but did not force him to be in that seat.
@LostPilotage
@LostPilotage 3 года назад
He (FO) also intentionally concealed his past employment and failures to hide his history of deficiency.
@stephenmelton2532
@stephenmelton2532 3 года назад
This is the result of getting promoted beyond one’s abilities. Unfortunately it happens in every occupation.
@walmartdog1142
@walmartdog1142 3 года назад
Read this Wikipedia article concerning this problem. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_principle
@sygos
@sygos 3 года назад
then read this one en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirmative_action
@jetroar17
@jetroar17 3 года назад
@gilbert martinez I don't think they were given a choice.......
@Spec62
@Spec62 3 года назад
This wasn't his first "rodeo" with Atlas. I wonder how many other flight hours were flown with this guy and someone realized he didn't have what it took? I wonder how many of his pilot "peers" let him slide?
@gotacallfromvishal
@gotacallfromvishal 3 года назад
what do you mean promoted beyond one's abilites? he was HIRED by them? why is everyone on here blaming the candidate not hte company that allowed the candidate to put the captain and jumpseater in danger?
@Multi777x
@Multi777x 3 года назад
Why didn't he look at his instruments when he sensed a "stall"? Especially when visibility is low you are trained to rely on your instruments rather than your senses. A simple glance at the airspeed indicator could've prevented this accident. As another commenter said it's a lack of basic airmanship. I see some similarities with AF447.
@deeanna8448
@deeanna8448 3 года назад
Panic
@lwilton
@lwilton 3 года назад
AF 447, and an upstate NY commuter flight a few years before; I don't recall the flight number. Pilot got an incorrect stall warning (on final, if I recall) and shoved the nose hard forward and held it there until they augured in. The plane could monitor stick force, and the report mentioned that he was applying something like 130 pounds of force to get the nose down to correct the stall warning.
@joevignolor4u949
@joevignolor4u949 3 года назад
The same thing applies to JFK Jr. If he had simply looked down at this attitude indicator and altimeter he would have known he was in a banking downward spiral. Some people just can't ignore their natural senses, which evolved down on the ground, and instead trust their instruments while flying a plane.
@ericmcleod7825
@ericmcleod7825 3 года назад
@@lwilton Colgan flight 3407 actually did stall because the plane leveled off and the pilot flying did not add power. When the stick shaker activated indicating that they were approaching stall the PF pulled back on the yoke- the opposite of the correct response to a stall. People theorize that the PF did this because he thought they had entered a tail plane stall.
@linuspoindexter106
@linuspoindexter106 3 года назад
When doing unusual attitude training for my PPL, my CFI had me put my head down with a hood on while he yanked and banked the aircraft to induce spacial disorientation. Boy did it work. When he gave me the controls back my senses told me we were in a steep left-turning dive. It was all I could do to trust the instruments and keep the plane straight-and-level. The sensations lasted about 20 seconds.
@fredericklarsen3076
@fredericklarsen3076 3 года назад
Apparently one of the investigators at the NTSB said that the relative degree of sensory / somatographic illusion / disorientation could have felt like 80 degrees nose up. It probably was a really confusing sensation. Which is why you trust your instruments.
@user-th3jl8mz7y
@user-th3jl8mz7y 3 года назад
Yeah, from day 1 when I read about it I had a bad feeling it was a pilot mistake. Planes don't fall out of the sky randomly, and it was a very well-tested bird. Damn that happened fast, feels like you have more time in F1 race than these guys had...
@TrentonLipscomb
@TrentonLipscomb 3 года назад
17 seconds from controlled flight to ground impact
@davidh9968
@davidh9968 3 года назад
Ukraine is strong!
@Keys879
@Keys879 3 года назад
I want to know how the captain allowed the FO to full nose-down for more than five seconds. Count out 10 seconds to yourself. Its not a lot of time, but imagine going from a semi-level flight to being pitched forward nose down and not doing anything about it for that long. RIP what a tragic ending.
@willtopower2158
@willtopower2158 3 года назад
The report said the nose down position was unrecoverable. Near the end of the crash video it did appear that the dive leveled a bit but it was too late.
@drabberjewel7108
@drabberjewel7108 3 года назад
During the board meeting today, it was stated that the Captain had about 20 seconds to intervene.
@2005kmcollins
@2005kmcollins 3 года назад
An especially good comment, when taking into account what an amazingly incompetent and undisciplined pilot the First Officer was observed to be...
@hellosunshine1090
@hellosunshine1090 3 года назад
My exact response: I cannot Fathom the inaction REQUIRED to allow this crash, unless you had a sudden loss of consciousness. I'm supposing the CVR could help confirm / deny that possibility
@vinsanity982
@vinsanity982 3 года назад
I found this article that says they were fighting each other on the yoke. The FO pushed forward, the captain pulled back. It wasn't later that FO started to pull back but it was too late www.google.com/amp/s/www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/business-aviation/2020-01-13/ntsb-public-docket-reveals-crew-confusion-training-discrepancies-atlas-air-3591-downing%3famp
@migueldemoina
@migueldemoina 3 года назад
I wish he was alone in the cockpit. Other people didnt deserve to die because of his stupidity.
@MIckveli2
@MIckveli2 3 года назад
exactly.!
@Spec62
@Spec62 3 года назад
@gilbert martinez Guess the Captain wasn't there to save the day, huh? So much for "white privilege" huh?
@Spec62
@Spec62 3 года назад
@@MIckveli2 In 2015, Blakely failed his proficiency test on the Boeing 767 and was placed in a monitoring program “as a result of [his] repetitive need for additional training.” Blakely was removed from the monitoring program in February 2017. White privilege?
@MrStracker
@MrStracker 3 года назад
Wow he said “Lord have mercy on my soul” and related comments for quite a while before the impact. Did he just shut down and give up as soon as he felt like they were stalling?
@lwilton
@lwilton 3 года назад
Seems likely, doesn't it? That actually isn't unusual behavior. You panic and do something that you think should correct the problem, like push the stick hard forward. That doesn't seem to help, and you freeze up and just stop thinking, and just push the stick harder forward, hoping it will help.
@biggobot3253
@biggobot3253 3 года назад
l wilton panicky spastic types just aren’t tempered to succeed as pilots. This dope was at best delusional, at worst a reckless fraudster.
@rnzoli
@rnzoli 3 года назад
There are amazing similarities to EgyptAir 990 crash. He probably did this on purpose. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EgyptAir_Flight_990
@MrHotSpurs1
@MrHotSpurs1 3 года назад
Yes he did. That's what you get with people that believe in bronze-age fairy tales. First sign of trouble 'ok god, i'm checking out'
@evanhughes1510
@evanhughes1510 Год назад
@@MrHotSpurs1 he didn’t say that at the first sign of trouble, smart one; he said that within 10 seconds or so Of the plane impacting the earth, when was there was nothing more he could do to stop the crash, and was within moments of death.
@xsbuilder1
@xsbuilder1 3 года назад
Basically the same story as in the early days of flying the mail in bad weather: "When in doubt, fly needle, ball, and airspeed". It is more complicated today, but the message is still the same .... it is senseless to depend on your senses.
@Matt_Alaric
@Matt_Alaric 2 года назад
No offence, but what does that mean? I get the airspeed one, but the others are a bit lost on me.
@spiritspride46
@spiritspride46 Год назад
@@Matt_Alaric Flying the needle ball and airspeed is just another way of saying that you need to pay attention to the primary flight instruments when you can't see out the window. For instance, every plane has a gyroscopic artificial horizon. It tells you the pitch and bank of an aircraft. You have airspeed, and altitude. You also have a turn coordinator (this is what technically has the ball from the original saying). When the aircraft has no visual references due to fog or clouds, you need to know how to read your instruments. Spacial disorientation is only dangerous if you give into the senses. Or better yet, "relying on your senses is senseless." SO LETS SAY YOU GET CONFUSED OR UNEASY.... just look at your pitch and airspeed. Keep level flight and don't stall and you'll be good! Unlike this FO that felt the plane accelerating so he simply just nosedived the aircraft without a second thought.
@Matt_Alaric
@Matt_Alaric Год назад
@@spiritspride46 Excellent. Thanks for the thorough reply 👍
@houstonhelicoptertours1006
@houstonhelicoptertours1006 3 года назад
Just take one brief look at the pilot's disastrous employment history and everything "falls" into place...
@gotacallfromvishal
@gotacallfromvishal 3 года назад
i fail to understand your logic. if his employment history is so bad why did atlas air hire him? why are you not blaming the airline that put the captain and jumpseater into danger? what about the (white) captain's incompetence? he was 60 and flew 10,000 on an erj145. i'm pretty sure he tried finding right seat jobs with wn aa co ua us but they wouldn't look at him. or maybe i'm wrong he's a crappy pilot who was happy left seating on a 145 and only at the age of 55 did he decide he wanted to do 67 freigheters with atlas air (way better than fx ups abx or polar, right?) what kind of candidate and airline makes that into a 67 left seat? incompetence and negligence.
@michaelbuckers
@michaelbuckers 3 года назад
@@gotacallfromvishal He was threatening to use them for racial discrimination. The captain did what he could, considering there was grand total of 15 seconds to work with and an idiot first officer to wrestle over the controls.
@rnelson299
@rnelson299 3 года назад
I know someone at atlas and they told me this was an affirmative action hire. Not very surprising.
@rnelson299
@rnelson299 3 года назад
@@gotacallfromvishal It’s because of affirmative action, that’s why. Cause race means more than qualifications.
@Peanutbutterjelly00
@Peanutbutterjelly00 3 года назад
It's unbelievable, there was no indication of a stall! No stick shaker or air speed. Not everyone can be a pilot. It takes skills, talent and mentally strong to put in practice everything you learn through training to not panic and nose down the plane like that.
@biggobot3253
@biggobot3253 3 года назад
This is what happens with an 80 IQ and impulsive decision-making.
@allanc3655
@allanc3655 2 года назад
Reason there was no indication of a stall because there was no stall. Inexperienced "FO" (I was trained calling them co pilots) had Coriolis illusion and did not left to right; top to bottom his instruments and believe them.
@Wazzup800
@Wazzup800 2 года назад
@@allanc3655 The more significant illusion would be a somatogravic illusion due to the plane's unexpected acceleration leading to a feeling a pitching up. But the reason this pilot decided to trust this feeling instead of his instruments while in IMC no one will ever know...
@ajs41
@ajs41 9 месяцев назад
@@Wazzup800 Bad pilots trust their feelings rather than the instruments.
@gotacallfromvishal
@gotacallfromvishal 3 года назад
but will my blender still arrive in 1 day?
@ryanaustin6801
@ryanaustin6801 3 года назад
Gives you the chills just to watch.
@dashriprock2916
@dashriprock2916 3 года назад
Captain should have been on top of this situation.
@rjtoten
@rjtoten 3 года назад
CLICK CLICK CLICK CLICK ...yikes that happened fast!
@billberry557
@billberry557 3 года назад
Yes it appears the first officer was prone to panic mode and only knew to mash buttons or flip switches as well as jerking movement of controls when faced with an issue. However the we assume higher time Captain and more proficient pilot what happened to him or was he overwhelmed by the FO reactions? The FO it sounds like he was a person that it was a matter of time before they made a fatal mistake. Thank you for sharing this.
@drabberjewel7108
@drabberjewel7108 3 года назад
Yes exactly right. In the meeting this morning that's what they were saying. Previous instructors said he would just push buttons and move controls in the sim without thinking about what he was doing when faced with an abnormal situation. One even called it a "trainwreck."
@ATGG
@ATGG 3 года назад
That is a great video of the NTSB! Looks really bad though for the Pilots....
@RubenKelevra
@RubenKelevra 3 года назад
I mean they're dead.
@ATGG
@ATGG 3 года назад
@@RubenKelevra Aha.
@markmaki4460
@markmaki4460 3 года назад
Looks bad for the copilot. Poor captain took his eyes off that kid for 5 seconds... it's like babysitting.
@2005kmcollins
@2005kmcollins 3 года назад
No doubt that the pilots new that the first officer was a potentially deadly problem. Never relax...
@RubenKelevra
@RubenKelevra 3 года назад
@@2005kmcollins this isn't supposed to be the case. You're a two man crew, both are supposed to be able to do the flight and all emergency situations on it's own - it's a major failure in management which lead to the situation that this guy was even allowed to sit in this seat.
@lloydprunier4415
@lloydprunier4415 3 года назад
So glad that you share this with us. It makes it understandable, but we need someway to stop these from happening!
@tomstravels520
@tomstravels520 3 года назад
Better training and looking at your instruments when you can’t see the horizon outside
@jeffwalther
@jeffwalther 3 года назад
Thank you for posting these videos as I learn a lot from them. My question is in a situation like this does your brain go into extreme slow motion or does the crash happen so fast you don't have time to think about it?
@nusawro6353
@nusawro6353 3 года назад
I'd think that it depends on the person. Some people freeze up in the face of danger, and those people should not be pilots. I suppose for most pilots, their hear rate goes up, but that's about it
@acanadianpilot
@acanadianpilot 3 года назад
There can be as much as 30 seconds of "startle factor" that limit an effective response to an unexpected event, even in trained crew. During that time only reflex reactions can occur (stall recovery being a reflex reaction, engine failure is also a trained reflex reaction). Time can feel slowed down in it, but your head is scrambling to make sense of the unexpected information. Pilots train hard to minimize this startle factor, but it's basic human nature to experience it.
@swampfoot
@swampfoot 3 года назад
They hit the water/ground at over 400 knots. This translates to 205 meters per second. If the pilots seated in the cockpit seats occupied, let's say, four feet horizontally, or 2.1 meters (from their feet to the back of their head) then the crushing of the nose of the aircraft would obliterate and pulverize their bodies in a timespan of 10 milliseconds, or ten one-thousandths of one second. Human nerve conduction velocity, on average, is about 40 meters per second. That's the speed that pain signals travel to reach the brain. At 40 meters per second, it would take a pain signal 50 milliseconds to travel 2 meters. A pilot's brain would be obliterated before any pain signals could be conducted to it. I'm sure this arithmetic gives some comfort to people who work in the bomb squad.
@flavion1259
@flavion1259 3 года назад
Look at these technicians who are testing the Boeing717 (DC9) ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-L2CsO-Vu7oc.html do not expect an upside down stall, look at the reactions of the second pilot who tries with his hand to help giving advice to the pilot in command, after they come out of the stall they compliment each other for be able to stabilize the plane. everything lasts a few seconds and you can still feel the force in G when the plane turns on itself and swoops. This accident is not the pilot's fault see my comment.
@acanadianpilot
@acanadianpilot 3 года назад
@@flavion1259 I'm not here to say who's at fault or not, but the video you linked was an test flight demonstrating the stall characteristics, specifically for a maneuver called a spin, all of which was planned and intentional, and executed very well. The Atlas plane did not experience a spin, or even a stall for that matter, though the pilot flying might have identified it as such because of the similarity in G forces felt by the inner ear when the Go Around mode was inadvertently activated. The TSB stated that he incorrectly performed a stall recovery..... I don't see how your video link proves otherwise. In my opinion, the two videos are completely different, and similarities can't be drawn between the two.
@makecba
@makecba 3 года назад
how can someone so incompetent sit on the right seat of a large aircraft? how many guys just like him are around flying?
@edp2260
@edp2260 3 года назад
One is one too many.
@flythec152
@flythec152 3 года назад
Diversity hiring in action.
@daviddunsmore103
@daviddunsmore103 3 года назад
@@flythec152 Was he a minority or something? I haven't heard anything about that...
@sonnyburnett8725
@sonnyburnett8725 3 года назад
David Dunsmore , Diversity hiring in aviation takes many forms.
@av8ist
@av8ist 3 года назад
Because, you know, white pilots don't duck up, right???
@HDTokyoAviation
@HDTokyoAviation Год назад
20 seconds for a routine flight to escalate into tragedy. That is shocking.
@232K7
@232K7 2 года назад
"We're stalling" with the IAS past the barber pole & ADI completely orange.. Incredible.
@khalid969
@khalid969 3 года назад
That video footage. Man!!
@CNWPlayer
@CNWPlayer 2 года назад
Could we please have the HDG indicator with LNAV and an altitude tape?
@badsanta69
@badsanta69 3 года назад
Wow, and just that fast... Game over. RIP.
@Kaipeternicolas
@Kaipeternicolas 3 года назад
What REALLY surprises me here is that the plane apparently hit 433 knots and didn't break apart. That's mind blowing. How is that possible?!
@icemachine79
@icemachine79 Год назад
Because it only remained at that speed for a few seconds before impact.
@Kaipeternicolas
@Kaipeternicolas Год назад
@@icemachine79 sure but still that's a lot of stress on the airframe and should easily take a few panels off.
@icemachine79
@icemachine79 Год назад
@@Kaipeternicolas Sure, if the speed is maintained long enough. Both China Airlines 006 and FedEx 705 nearly broke the sound barrier during a high-speed uncontrolled dive, and both planes sustained damage to their elevators and control surfaces. But they were still able to land safely.
@SkyWayMan90
@SkyWayMan90 3 года назад
This should have been a non-event; disengage AT & A/P, establish positive aircraft control, re-engage automation and continue. Instead, due to the FO’s ineptitude, it resulted in a crash. RIP
@ianhjan
@ianhjan 3 года назад
He could be sky blue pink, ethnicity isn't the problem here. It's the ability to fly the aircraft competently after being trained to do so .
@Matt_Alaric
@Matt_Alaric 2 года назад
The fact that he was allowed to progress to this position just to tick diversity boxes is absolutely part of the problem.
@ChristomirRackov
@ChristomirRackov 11 месяцев назад
Ethnicity becomes a problem, if someone is hired BECAUSE they are of a certain ethnicity/skin color - solely for the sake of diversity :( Hiring of pilots should be based on whether they are qualified, not on their skin color.
@fuffoon
@fuffoon 3 года назад
I counted about 15 seconds from the start of the event to impact. That's horrifying.
@pavelavietor1
@pavelavietor1 3 года назад
GOD SPEED. THANK NTSB. SALUDOS
@gkoogz9877
@gkoogz9877 3 года назад
Diversity is our strength
@KD0LRG
@KD0LRG 3 года назад
So did someone hit TOGA and not realize it? How did the PM not realize what was going on and take over since he was the Captain?
@RubenKelevra
@RubenKelevra 3 года назад
Well, they hit TOGA, but not sure what went wrong in the Copilot's head. The pilot monitoring might have been distracted looking at charts for the airport, to set up the airplane for the approach from the other side in response to the radio call they received.
@desertr4062
@desertr4062 3 года назад
@@RubenKelevra Both pilots were extremely weak. Neither of them had any business being in that jet. The company is lucky it wasn't a pax plane.
@RubenKelevra
@RubenKelevra 3 года назад
@@desertr4062 the NTSB thinks otherwise
@SGAeoh
@SGAeoh 3 года назад
In the 757 and 767 cockpit is very easy to hit those buttons by mistake with your arm, as they are in the back of the throttle levers, and you must pass your arm just behind them to reach the Speed brake if you are on the FO side, or the Flap handle if you are on the Capt. Side.
@andyowens5494
@andyowens5494 3 года назад
You monitor whats supposed to be happening, and keep an eye out for things that aren't supposed to be happening; its almost i possible to scan all the non-primary instruments so its easy to miss TOGA for a few seconds. That said, primary instruments should have been enough in this instance.
@Wookey.
@Wookey. 3 года назад
Does take long to hit the ground (water) if you point it down from 6000 ft does it?
@timothyrosman6371
@timothyrosman6371 3 года назад
300 knots is 500ft per second. So at 5,000', not long at all.
@Spec62
@Spec62 3 года назад
Nope
@PhilipHousel
@PhilipHousel 3 года назад
Was there any info on the experience and years of service of the pilots?
@christinakaur8766
@christinakaur8766 3 года назад
There are detailed reports on the NTSB's website.
@drabberjewel7108
@drabberjewel7108 3 года назад
If you missed it live this morning I would recommend watching the replay of the board meeting. Both flight crew had ample experience. Despite having about 5,000 hours, there was a focus on the FO's record of failing checks at previous employers. He never should have been hired. They did not have the full report at his interview, but they received it later and it was reviewed. But the process included a 3rd party company and the person who reviewed the records did not have to have any flight experience.
@SixStringflyboy
@SixStringflyboy 3 года назад
My CFI explained a similar phenomenon to me when I was doing my night requirements. Acceleration pushes you back into your seat in such a way that when you don't have an outside visual reference (at night, or in clouds), the body thinks the airplane is climbing steeply. It feels the same as far as your brain is concerned. He advised a lot of pilots have gotten into trouble in a hurry when flying at night because they mistakenly push the nose over too far when adding power because they think the aircraft is pitching up more than it actually is. I'm guessing that sensation hit him, and he assumed the aircraft was nose-high and heading for a stall. This appears to be the exact kind of panicked reaction that caused him to fail his previous checkrides. Panic followed by reaction, instead of panic followed by evaluation, then acting based on all the information in front of him. In most it can point to a training issue, but with his history, it really seems like it points to, maybe he should have gone for a different career.
@intrepidspifr2750
@intrepidspifr2750 3 года назад
Somatogravic Illusion The somatogravic illusion is a vestibular illusion which is prevalent during high accelerations/deccelerations when a pilot has no clear visual reference (Wilson, 1995 8). The word Somatogravic is derived from somato meaning ‘of the body’ and gravic meaning ‘pertaining to the gravitational force’ and is a strong pitching sensation (either up or down) when the body is exposed to either high acceleration or decelerations (Kern, 1998 1). This illusion is due to the interaction of unnatural accelerations (such as those experienced in an aircraft) on our Otolith Organs, specifically our utricle aviationknowledge.wikidot.com/aviation:somatogravic-illusion
@ajs41
@ajs41 9 месяцев назад
It's interesting how the feeling they had of climbing steeply was precisely the opposite problem of what Air France 447 had. The pilots on that flight were convinced they were going too fast and too low when the opposite was the case. So you can have the wrong feeling of what is happening in both directions, so to speak.
@mrjaycam18
@mrjaycam18 3 года назад
That poor jump seater was just a new hire trying to get to work. This is infuriating.
@jaysmith1408
@jaysmith1408 3 года назад
You said speed brakes could only be retracted manually? I thought after the Colombian American Airlines crash (in a 757) auto stow became mandatory, when throttles were advanced for go around, they are to stow. Did I misread the report?
@TrentonLipscomb
@TrentonLipscomb 3 года назад
It looks like speed brakes were deployed after TO/GA was activated.
@RubenKelevra
@RubenKelevra 3 года назад
@@TrentonLipscomb no, they was extended before
@RubenKelevra
@RubenKelevra 3 года назад
I don't think so, it was just a recommendation to evaluate this. I mean it makes sense, but wasn't a contributing factor for this accident anyway.
@SleipnirPilot
@SleipnirPilot 3 года назад
After the Cali crash it was required that there be an aural warning, and EICAS message if thrust levers are advanced with speed brakes deployed. Prior to that crash, there was no aural/EICAS caution in that situation
@editheden1739
@editheden1739 3 года назад
You can experience the same feeling on the ground, at night, in heavy fog, on a long causeway, over the water, in a car. I didn't crash, but the short ride seemed to go on forever. Very sad. Luckily they didn't crash into the City.
@PuppyDogPilot
@PuppyDogPilot 3 года назад
PF failed to adequately fly. PM failed to adequately monitor. Dual pilot failures can be deadly.
@olbuck
@olbuck 3 года назад
Did you not read that the elevator control was split, with one pilot pulling hard and the FO pushing hard until they broke out. I think perhaps the NTSB to the PC route to not disclose the content of the CVR during the descent. It might explain more factors as to why the pilot could not get the FO to release the elevator.
@lambdaman3228
@lambdaman3228 3 года назад
@@olbuck > I think perhaps the NTSB to the PC route to not disclose the content of the CVR during the descent. I'm interested. Can you elaborate on this?
@dayanand1190
@dayanand1190 3 года назад
Sad. May them rest in peace.
@Mike-zs4id
@Mike-zs4id 3 года назад
A terrifying lack of fundamental instrument awareness. "where is my airspeed?" 288kts!? Even an SR71 stalls at 210kts (lvl flt)
@joe36451
@joe36451 3 года назад
Wow this is so sad. It was an avoidable accident
@taylorwoolston8856
@taylorwoolston8856 2 месяца назад
This is why you always fly using your instruments, not what you think you feel.
@JeffreyBue_imtxsmoke
@JeffreyBue_imtxsmoke 3 года назад
I'm not a pilot but this sounds like it's totally on the flight crew.
@marceloluizfigueira7208
@marceloluizfigueira7208 3 года назад
It's on the company that hired that specific F/O under govt pressure to fill in quotas and become a compliant company.
@jull1234
@jull1234 3 года назад
All it takes is 30 seconds. wow.
@HockeyBoyFV
@HockeyBoyFV 3 года назад
Incredible! I have been wondering what the cause of accident was on this one, as this has been one of the few accidents in modern time that has left me with an inability to even guess what happened without the facts. So it will be accredited to inaccurate stall realization due to Somatogravic illusion. I haven’t heard much mention to my next point, and I don’t want to point any unnecessary fingers, just a theory - has anyone considered that this was a possible suicide CFIT? On the CVR, the FO can be heard saying multiple times while holding the nose hard over, “Lord have mercy on my soul” “have mercy”. It was such an elementary principle of instrument flying, it causes concern that it was intentional. Very sad thing to consider, and may they all Rest In Peace, again I don’t want to speak poorly of the deceased in any way. This is merely my contribution towards the science of the accident and safety investigation.
@GoEatATowel
@GoEatATowel 3 года назад
HE DIDN'T FLY SO GOOD
@littlesaintwilliamofnorwic8500
@littlesaintwilliamofnorwic8500 3 года назад
Crashing this plane...with no survivors
@GoEatATowel
@GoEatATowel 3 года назад
@@littlesaintwilliamofnorwic8500 more like no qualifications lmao
@SalamiNugget
@SalamiNugget 3 года назад
the plane said da n wurd
@airlink33
@airlink33 3 года назад
Let me chime in ... there are 2 pilots one pilot is the “flying pilot” one pilot is the radio and monitor pilot .. i am a 767 captain and i fly with all kind of first officers .. my main job when I’m not flying is to MONITOR the aircraft... first officers of ALL RACES and background military or civilian are different . Some have more experience than others ... even EXPERIENCED first officers can mess up ... my JOB is to know what is happening with my aircraft in all phases of flight... the simple answer for any situation i feel My FO can not handle is “MY CONTROLS”.... The simple answer any time i want the aircraft is MY CONTROLS... if your PAST is that bad it will come to light on the line.. I’ve flown with pilots of all races who in my opinion had skills that were t what i thought were the best and never did i dig into how or why they were hired .. as a captain this captain should have taken the controls.. you fly long enough white guys who make up most of the industry will make a Mistake , black guys will make a mistake , asians will make a mistake , women will make a mistake... if we looked at every major crash in the industry and looked at the race of the pilot is that the reason for the crash... no pilot is perfect and this FO put the airplane in a position where a good captain should have easily gotten them out of it
@airlink33
@airlink33 3 года назад
And honestly this country needs to turn off the news .. go back to a time when the news was 30 minutes in the day... you guys are so brain washed Left Vs Right .... left wing and right wing on my plane are all connected to the same aircraft.... stop politicizing every F*n scenario
@Olaz1
@Olaz1 3 года назад
How to F/O can be so incompetent? Was he rested and trained properly?
@josephdale69
@josephdale69 3 года назад
Hired due to skin color b
@formulaben
@formulaben 3 года назад
Take a look at his past performance at other employers and it will become clearer.
@sandramelvin7123
@sandramelvin7123 3 года назад
He was an affirmative action pick. I speak as a pioneer in aviation. Starting on heavy equipment in the early 80's. I did not see any other women for many years. Then suddenly everybody had to hire various minorities to fill quotas. Some were very good. Some were well, well below average. They were needed to get government contracts. Atlas probably has such contracts. The pilot pay at Atlas is very low so they just put warm bodies in the seats. The Captain also was not a career pilot. He started late as a second career. This is the kind of jobs these guys get. The danger is when you bid a line and get stuck flying with them. These two both appeared weak. That is the danger at certain second or third tier operators. Although I have flown with several white males who were struggling with the job, with low cognitive ability and unpleasant personality profiles. Aviation should require cognitive tests before training begins. These are illegal in the civilian world. The military uses them extensively with good results. Usually ground school and simulator training weeds them out. A few months ago there was a dire pilot shortage and thus a pilot such as this FO was hired.
@deantait8326
@deantait8326 3 года назад
See @rodzac comment above regarding employment and training issues. If these comments about Affirmative action hiring are true, another example of how "good intentions" are destroying the USA. Some jobs should be 100% Merit/ability based with no tought about diversity. Maybe ties go to a diversity candidate. I've never understood lowered standards for anyone. IMO this should be a colorless, sexless society. In 1968, as a male at 5'9" 140#s I was too short and light to qualify for LAFD regardless of strength, conditioning. Minimum for A man 5'10 @160lbs. A year or two later those minimums were lowered to 5'7" at 125 lbs for female "only" new hires. In today's PC culture world, I'm so happy my time here is in the late fall, early winter of my life. I weep for my son....
@flythec152
@flythec152 3 года назад
Diversity hires in a nutshell.
@keithpedersen3653
@keithpedersen3653 3 года назад
This is why the automation also needs to communicate what it's doing in plain human language. The automation doesn't act like a teammate; it doesn't call out what it's doing. If the automation had said "We're going around. I have the aircraft. Throttles to max, vertical speed nulled. You have the aircraft." then the PF wouldn't have thought they were stalling. The TOGO will get accidentally pressed; the automation should not assume this is intentional, then rapidly reconfigure the plane in total silence. BTW, I'm treating "bleeps" and "bloops" or "new flight mode displayed on the screen" as silence, because they are not spoken human language that you can still easily interpret under stress (i.e., the bleeding heart of CRM).
@RubenKelevra
@RubenKelevra 3 года назад
Yeah I'm also liking the MD-80 approach to warn for example for "stabilizer motion" instead of clicking and "altitude" instead of "beep".
@MathasarSalazar2
@MathasarSalazar2 3 года назад
Even though I agree with your idea, this guy was incredibly untrained and not suit8to fly at all. I'm convinced if his surface controls were disabled he would have done something else more dramatic.
@RubenKelevra
@RubenKelevra 3 года назад
@@MathasarSalazar2 just don't get why the other pilot had so little situation awareness. I mean you grab it and put the throttle to 80% and just focus on the virtual horizon. That's the most basic recovery training ... 🙄
@TrentonLipscomb
@TrentonLipscomb 3 года назад
@@RubenKelevra The captain apparently hit his head gertting into his seat after the lav. He was bleeding. Maybe he was distracted by getting that under control?
@nothanks6859
@nothanks6859 3 года назад
This is a really good idea. The clicks, beeps & bloops seem to increase the panic / startle factor?
@Helixal
@Helixal Год назад
Mentor pilot covered this excellently
@publicmail2
@publicmail2 3 года назад
Pilots didn't use their instruments properly.
@2005kmcollins
@2005kmcollins 3 года назад
Well, the first officer anyway.
@MathasarSalazar2
@MathasarSalazar2 3 года назад
Or maybe the FO was a complete nutcase and didnt understand a 767 doesn't stall at 235 knots at 3000ft and panicked, plunging the plane into its demise.
@Spec62
@Spec62 3 года назад
RIP to those on the flight deck.
@davidca96
@davidca96 3 года назад
dont you look at your speed to see if you are stalling? I mean, it makes sense to me but yea.
@WeTubeIn90210
@WeTubeIn90210 3 года назад
Yes, exactly! And they did. It was rapidly decaying, THEY dumped the nose, the Captain was flying at this point, and the rest is history. But it's hard for anyone to even remotely think that the NTSB got this completely wrong, so the band keep playing
@davidca96
@davidca96 3 года назад
@@WeTubeIn90210 [trumpet sounds]
@Lingboysc2
@Lingboysc2 Год назад
@@WeTubeIn90210 you have 0 evidence
@natural-born_pilot
@natural-born_pilot 3 года назад
Ok what did we find out about this trajedy, documented history of FO's failure to perform to standards, failed check rides, no indication of stahl warning, perfectly operational set of working instruments, FAA's failure to appropriately react getting a badly needed system in place, to mention some of the serious and most obvious. What is going to be done to prevent this senless loss of life from happening again?
@brekiarnz161
@brekiarnz161 4 месяца назад
Lord here. Though He let me have his soul all I could do was help NTSB find the flight recorder.
@enchiladaplatter1
@enchiladaplatter1 3 года назад
Affirmative action and equity YAY!
@othername1000
@othername1000 3 года назад
Honorable Robert Llewellyn Sumwalt III, please post the video of the board meeting on this channel.
@georgemcdowell9554
@georgemcdowell9554 3 года назад
Yes, I'd definitely like to watch the board meeting. Thank you.
@othername1000
@othername1000 3 года назад
It's up. Thanks for posting. Many of us appreciate it
@mr.somewhere2678
@mr.somewhere2678 3 года назад
Who even let this fool into the cockpit
@sygos
@sygos 3 года назад
1968 civil rights act which requires hiring quotas for "racial minorities" aka non whites
@Hedgeflexlfz
@Hedgeflexlfz 3 года назад
@@sygos I wonder if whites will be given special privileges once they are a racial minority in the United States (in about 30 years, doubt it lol)
@davidpearn5925
@davidpearn5925 3 года назад
I did my entire 5000 hours without an autopilot way back in the 60s.....pre glass cockpit obviously. There don’t seem to be any stick n rudder pilots around anymore .
@s.m.whiteII
@s.m.whiteII 3 года назад
Even crazier, there is some nitwit on the NTSB debrief video comments blaming the Captain(!) for not saving the plane from crashing!!!!
@fredericklarsen3076
@fredericklarsen3076 3 года назад
It's not a nitwit comment. The captain was PILOT IN COMMAND. Ultimately responsible, if not the cause of the crash. He did not tell the FO to relinquish controls. He should have said "MY PLANE" or "MY CONTROLS". It seemed he was making the right moves (it appears he was pulling back) but he was "fighting" the FO who was pushing the nose down. Especially with a panicked FO. I'm sure he wishes he had taken over.
@donmoore7785
@donmoore7785 3 года назад
OMG - how sad.
@qinq2020
@qinq2020 5 месяцев назад
its totally unbelieavable a 767 was put down em 2019!!
@waone28
@waone28 3 года назад
that 767 was traveling 433 knots when it impact the ground it should be in thousans if not millions of piece
@michaelbuckers
@michaelbuckers 3 года назад
It's almost the speed of sound - at sea level. Crazy.
@Senseigainz
@Senseigainz 3 года назад
Im curious to know how TOGA activated at 6000ft.
@Lingboysc2
@Lingboysc2 Год назад
accidentally activated by the first officer.
@Senseigainz
@Senseigainz Год назад
@@Lingboysc2 it doesnt work usually above 2500ft.
@Lingboysc2
@Lingboysc2 Год назад
@@Senseigainz I haven't seen that, might have to read the 767 documentation.
@HFamilyDad
@HFamilyDad 3 года назад
RIP
@pcorf
@pcorf Год назад
Was recovering from the nosedive but too low. The shattered wreckage ended up in the water.
@doneanddone4952
@doneanddone4952 3 года назад
A professional tracking system for pilots, doctors, firemen, etc. would surely save lives.
@Keys879
@Keys879 3 года назад
How so? There is already a very complex and regulated system in Aviation for tracking training and hours.
@jovangrbic97
@jovangrbic97 3 года назад
Police...
@DanielE15
@DanielE15 3 года назад
It doesn't matter when affirmative action rules and managers are afraid of being fired themselves cuz o raciss
@saltMagic
@saltMagic 3 года назад
ohhh lawd what I be doing up in dis cockpit
@katovomkozies
@katovomkozies 3 года назад
"Fly dat plane Kang!...Fly!"
@crimony3054
@crimony3054 2 года назад
He switched from passenger airlines to cargo jets. Can't fault him for that.
@victor440
@victor440 2 года назад
So this is why some of our Amazon package never arrives...
@geoffreylee5199
@geoffreylee5199 3 года назад
This a 737 Max?
@sunnyfon9065
@sunnyfon9065 Год назад
This is Boeing 767
@jeffgrain1417
@jeffgrain1417 3 года назад
my question is.. where the H was the pilot then???
@AviationJeremy
@AviationJeremy 3 года назад
Jesus... RIP.
@winzaloft
@winzaloft 3 года назад
Terrible terrible tragedy for the crewmembers. My guess is they will be training inadvertent bumping of TOGA and that isn’t a bad idea. However there was nothing remotely resembling a stall. Maybe the roar of the engines was disorienting, but a 5* burble/pitch up and asp far far above stall speed? Button pushing def a problem - but no idea what actually constituted a stall is pretty amazing. The hard and fast rule is disconnect the automation and fly the airplane.
@htos1av
@htos1av 3 года назад
Sure seems like like pilot error in VFR. Thanks for posting and keeping everyone informed!
@megadavis5377
@megadavis5377 2 года назад
When Go-Around was activated the airplane quickly exceeded the speed limit for the current flaps condition. The F.O. saw red - the red tape on the airspeed indication which signified the flap limit exceedance. He panicked. He thought he was looking at low-speed, stall area red. He pushed (fight or flight reaction...) His brain was nowhere in sight. He was simply acting on animal survival instinct. He was a sixth-grader sitting in a college Senior classroom. He was in way over his head. He freaked; they died.
@dcartier100
@dcartier100 3 года назад
OMG WOW
@joemariquinlan
@joemariquinlan 3 года назад
Although completely different aircraft, the phenomenon is similar to the Kobe Bryant crash. Pilot thinks he is pitching up, when in fact he is level, and he responds by diving the aircraft into the ground.
@joevignolor4u949
@joevignolor4u949 3 года назад
The same thing applies to JFK Jr. If he had simply looked down at this attitude indicator and altimeter he would have known he was in a banking downward spiral. Some people just can't ignore their natural senses, which evolved down on the ground, and instead trust their instruments while flying a plane.
@oldmech619
@oldmech619 3 года назад
Sad
@adamlopes494
@adamlopes494 5 месяцев назад
Its prime air or atlas air
@lesterawilson3
@lesterawilson3 3 года назад
Sounds like a suicide to me.
@joevignolor4u949
@joevignolor4u949 3 года назад
If man were meant to fly they would have given him instruments to look at.
@hoodoo2001
@hoodoo2001 3 года назад
How in the hell do you design a go around button that can accidentally be pressed?
@lwilton
@lwilton 3 года назад
By designing it so it *can* be pressed. Even if it has a cover over it and another knob you have to turn on the other side of the cockpit first. If someone becomes convinced that it is the water dispenser knob the will still press it at the wrong time. And wonder what is wrong with the water dispenser when their cup remains empty.
@joevignolor4u949
@joevignolor4u949 3 года назад
If you make it harder to press then when you really need to press it you might not be able to do it fast enough.
@AirMonroe1
@AirMonroe1 3 года назад
Why did it go into Go Around mode? That seems to have started the whole fiasco. We have all ridden with pilots who we wondered "how did this person ever get here?" Hopefully, they get weeded out through a less fatal mechanism.
@rafbarkway5280
@rafbarkway5280 3 года назад
THE FACTS:at 12:36.07 F/O has problem with his EFI (electronic flight instruments) at 12:36.09 F/O hands control to the captain,because he has an EFI (electronic flight instruments) problem. at 12:37.07 F/O presses EFI switch to change to alternate display generator.F/O Says "EFI.." at 12:37.08 F/O says "i got it back" meaning his display is back at 12:37.09 Captain says "now it's back ((laughs)" comfirming F/O has his displays back. at 12:37.11 F/O says "i press EFI button it fixes everything" at 12:37.23 Captain hands controls back to the F/O at 12:38.45 "where's my speed,my speed?" at 12:38.48 "We're stalling!" at 12:38.50 "Stall!" at 12:39.03 CRASH. Who,in their right mind,can say this crash is NOT related to what was being displayed to the F/O on his faulty electronic flight instruments ??
@Lingboysc2
@Lingboysc2 Год назад
the professional investigators that showed that the speed indicators were working just fine before the crash. the pilots were terrible.
@rafbarkway5280
@rafbarkway5280 Год назад
@@Lingboysc2 I'd like to know how they showed his EFI display was working correctly,there's still no data on why he switched over,probably never will be. The timing is just too close.
@Lingboysc2
@Lingboysc2 Год назад
@@rafbarkway5280 the FDR
@rafbarkway5280
@rafbarkway5280 Год назад
@@Lingboysc2 Hi,FDR only knows some of the computer data,It cannot see the EFI's or what the charicter generator (graphics) is doing, any data on all three references agreeing at all times? that might be on the FDR!
@n00bspanker
@n00bspanker 3 года назад
Couldn't he have just looked at his attitude indicator to see that the plane was nosediving? I am not a pilot.
@jaredvoorhees8617
@jaredvoorhees8617 3 года назад
Just let Joshua Allec Ibay make these videos for you
@WiLDCATZ
@WiLDCATZ 3 года назад
Are you kidding? Those videos are amateur garbage. This NTSB animation is outstanding.
@AirmanBrown
@AirmanBrown 3 года назад
This is beyond sad. no excuse for this 😔.
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