Nuclear 4.0: Chinas NEW Thorium Reactor Changes Everything! 

China still leads the world in pollution, by far. Lets not forget that they are the world’s largest polluter.

In Germany we had one of the most advanced developed technologies using Thorium. Because of “green politics” the technology had to be given up and the technology was sold to China. Now they try to run an industrial land like Germany with sun and wind. The problem is, that there isn’t much sun in a cold country like Germany. Now the German industry has to give up, as it is not possible to power it with only wind and sun.

@@friedensmal Hamm-Uentrop pebble (pebbles with thorium) high temp. hélium reactor was a failure. Many problems, accident in 1968. Easy to find on internet.

Sorry 1986

Hold on.....Chinese can't build dams without falling apart killing hundreds, can't build bridges that won't stay up for more than a month, cannot build their own jets without 80% outside help and parts, cannot build high rise buildings that doesn't fall apart like tofu, cannot build ship engines that doesn't break down within a 100 miles, cannot make vaccines that won't kill the patient, cannot build ev vehicles that won't explode, cannot make weapons that has a better than a 33% chance of working, cannot build gps satellites that works, cannot build a tank without its wheels falling off during an exhibition, cannot launch rockets that won't stop exploding or falling on top of houses, cannot even keep their environment clean with the dirtiest smog air and chemical and heavy metal saturated water and soil, cannot produce enough food to feed a qurater of their starving children, cannot heal and eradicate any diseases without killing the patient, cannot conduct laboratories that won't allow pathogens and diseases to escape, cannot even produce ballpoint pens, cannot make a reliable electronic product from appliances to cellphones to tvs......damn, so many common daily produced items and things China can't even get correctly or master, so how The Fk are they creating a hotter sun? More stolen technology and more BS fake claims!

It has, Thorium molten salt reactors were first developed in USA in the 1965 by the Oak Ridge National laboratory. Public Ignorance, is not a good attitude. Spread the word.

Get the maga out of congress.

@@GaryPierron-ym7xmlololololololol

@@oskarstarczewski7639 yes to test it yet no large scale version has been made to actually help with power costs. though there is talk in the next 50 years...but we all know that song and dance

Hold on.....Chinese can't build dams without falling apart killing hundreds, can't build bridges that won't stay up for more than a month, cannot build their own jets without 80% outside help and parts, cannot build high rise buildings that doesn't fall apart like tofu, cannot build ship engines that doesn't break down within a 100 miles, cannot make vaccines that won't kill the patient, cannot build ev vehicles that won't explode, cannot make weapons that has a better than a 33% chance of working, cannot build gps satellites that works, cannot build a tank without its wheels falling off during an exhibition, cannot launch rockets that won't stop exploding or falling on top of houses, cannot even keep their environment clean with the dirtiest smog air and chemical and heavy metal saturated water and soil, cannot produce enough food to feed a qurater of their starving children, cannot heal and eradicate any diseases without killing the patient, cannot conduct laboratories that won't allow pathogens and diseases to escape, cannot even produce ballpoint pens, cannot make a reliable electronic product from appliances to cellphones to tvs......damn, so many common daily produced items and things China can't even get correctly or master, so how The Fk are they creating a hotter sun? More stolen technology and more BS fake claims!

You should check out chinese state media, the only kind of media you find there. They're quiet about human rights violations and extremely loud about even just the appearance of any kind of achievement.

Brilliant it's about time the west got up to speed

​@@harrytaylor9117Well, you know this technology was originally developed by American Air Force but the Navy Admiral Rickover chose the current heavy water fission tech direction which produces weapons grade uranium.

Assuming this is accurate hopefully China will use this technology to stop bring the world’s largest polluter.

Exactly. The US was involved in Thorium reactor research decades ago, but decided to stop it as it does not involve uranium and plutonium which can be used to make nuclear weapons.

US only had spirit for selling planes & weapons, now alien had visited for several times, so US need prepare for alien invasion threat...

Obviously not often highlighted by MSM .

Maighty Amerikka inveentad dhis, cpp stool it an maek it tofu teknologhee

its because US can't digest other country growing so high, only way to stop country growth is threatening them and attacking them at last.

USA scientists did brilliant work in 1960 ...... Not the Chinese .... The Chinese profited from a disastrous USA deep state government that ruined the country ....

With copied technology.

For the development of a country education should be free and have quality but in India education is a business and thus the quality education is far for the poor.

@@navneetsomkuwar4499 For a non-aligned country, India is deeply entangled with the American education system and is thus part of our outright Ponzi scheme. In the best run nations, higher education is free and competitive, while lower education is non-ideological (as much as it can be) and of high objective standards. Are Indian children exposed to the Trans insanity in elementary school or are they being prepared for college? Is it the other way around? Follow the money.

Agree entirely. That is also why China is making incredible progress in many fields like energy, electronics, space research, medicine etc., China is coming, big time.

This sure sounds like trolling to me. China has huge issues but they continue to move along. If they had a real legal system that defended private property they would be much better off. Instead they focus all the governments efforts to stamp out the last vestige of individualism which in the end will be its downfall.

@@navneetsomkuwar4499 ? Punctuation would be helpful. Most countries are dwindling their public education. Education is a threat. Knowing what your gov is up to is not what they want. Mindless slaves are very valuable. Recognize what you are. Then change it.

China is a part of the WEF and the US has done this back in the freaking 60's. The US buried 7 million pounds of their thorium nitrate stockpile. I don't think it's as profitable and that's what it boils down to.

@@exaltedone2799 China is part of the WEF, just for show, but laugh in their face.

Is this real or talk talk?

@@mikebreeden6071 look it up. The other catch - they can't be used to enrich uranium into weapons grade.

@@rinzler9775 Because they can't be used to make weapons is why Nixon cancelled research on them... I am well informed. It's why i want a reference to this. I don't find any but this one and it is supposed to be pretty new. Do you recommend a search that will lead to it?

Sanction #6,969 A....... ready to go already!

Yes!!! Do It !!! Sanction all Thorium Exports to China ! Start Sanction ...... Immediately !!!!

​@@jaihindersinghmucho fentanilo ...

@@carloscalderon3051 relaiabel westan mediia seys cpp is maeking fentaniil disaasterr in Amerikka an maekiing dhem into jombiis

who cares, brics is the solution :)

Could it be possible to use this source of energy to create blue hydrogen necessary especially for the heavy trucks operation? If possible, it seems China will become the largest environmentally source of energy soon. What a change of the current scenario where China has to import most of her energy!! The REAL SUPER POWER!

The reactor I believe is up and running 😇

There are lots of complicated issues with this kind of reactors. Furthermore, the author is very likely non-competent in what they say.

Molten salt reactors are nuclear reactors. Thorium just makes them more expensive and complicated. no safer and no better.

China built the TMSR-LF1 in the desert because it is very safe :-) Since when? A big problem of thorium reactors using thermic neutrons was their problematic controlling.

@@andreasschmitt2307 MSRs are self-controlling, you are mixed up.

@@chapter4travels They would be self-controlling if they had a negative temperature coefficient, but this is hard to achieve for thermic breeders. The molten salt breeder of the Oak Ridge Labs for instance did have a slightly positive temperature coefficient. AFAIK is the chinese TMSR-LF1 based on the Oak Ridge design...

@@andreasschmitt2307 I should have been more specific, non-breeder MSRs have a negative temp. coefficient. Breeding thorium is dumb, uranium-based MSRs are a much better option at this point. Much simpler and cheaper. We can do breeders later and fast neutron breeders are much smarter.

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China just had the take all the complete developments from USA to China ..... China did not invent anything. They just had to build what the USA politicians managed to stop.

They don't have a thorium reactor in an aircraft carrier yet....

Then why drinking water in china is not safe. I doubt , the safety of thronium reactor

Building fafe reactors rather than nuclear weapons! What a novelty in this day and age!

It is not weaponizable that's why the US is not interested.

We're run by imbeciles

Actually Russia already has a BFMSR using beryllium fluoride as the fuel carrier and moderator and using plutonium 239 because plutonium 239 is 50 times more energetic than uranium 235 and it has a lot of depleted and useless and non-fissionable uranium 238 wastefully lying around. Like the passively self-cooling molten lead-cooled BREST reactor that uses natural convection to circulate the self-cooling molten lead around the plutonium 239 nitride fuel rods, the BFMSR uses the beryllium fluoride to double the neutron count as it hits one beryllium fluoride molecule after another creating what we call as the "HYPER-DENSITY NEUTRON FLUX EFFECT" that can simultaneously reprocess the initial start up Pu 239 nuclear fuel as it fissions to produce heat to produce power and create a new replacement nuclear fuel and at the same time consume it's own nuclear wastes. Refueling became unnecessary. But with thorium fueled MSR reactors, the thorium fueled MSR reactors has to be refueled every 30 to 50 years depending on the thorium fueled MSR reactors' designs parameters. But both plutonium 239 fueled BFMSR reactors thorium fueled MSR reactors can also be designed to become breeder reactors to convert U 238 into PU 239 and Thorium into U233. But for now the plutonium 239 fueled BFMSR reactors are reserved only for military use and it will be sometime when the plutonium 239 fueled BFMSR reactors will be released for civilian use.

@@darthvader5300 Thanks for the details. My point is that the environment in which the tech is or is not developed depends on the motivations and resources available. With the petroleum industry and a lot of fissionable material lying around, what would be the point of investing in fusion now? A small population and a wealth of "fossil fuels" means the energy demand within Russia is more than covered. Had humanity not discovered the possibilities of nuclear power in the context of war, from a hypothetical starting point, fusion probably would have been a better choice. Perhaps a series of both fusion and fission reactors can be developed to consume as much nuclear waste materials as possible. This might be a place where AI design can help.

One party government seems to be working good for them as long as they keep their greedy capitalist in their place.

it's a meritocracy government.

Hold on.....Chinese can't build dams without falling apart killing hundreds, can't build bridges that won't stay up for more than a month, cannot build their own jets without 80% outside help and parts, cannot build high rise buildings that doesn't fall apart like tofu, cannot build ship engines that doesn't break down within a 100 miles, cannot make vaccines that won't kill the patient, cannot build ev vehicles that won't explode, cannot make weapons that has a better than a 33% chance of working, cannot build gps satellites that works, cannot build a tank without its wheels falling off during an exhibition, cannot launch rockets that won't stop exploding or falling on top of houses, cannot even keep their environment clean with the dirtiest smog air and chemical and heavy metal saturated water and soil, cannot produce enough food to feed a qurater of their starving children, cannot heal and eradicate any diseases without killing the patient, cannot conduct laboratories that won't allow pathogens and diseases to escape, cannot even produce ballpoint pens, cannot make a reliable electronic product from appliances to cellphones to tvs......damn, so many common daily produced items and things China can't even get correctly or master, so how The Fk are they creating a hotter sun? More stolen technology and more BS fake claims!

What's a solid chip reactor?

Also, what's the name of where the ingots are stored? I'd like to research that a bit

@@MrGottaQuestionNice question. Being far away in China we can't easily find all the details. Solid chip reactor would indicate by name that the reactor is extracting heat from reactions from solid chips of Thorium. Norway for example uses neutrons produced from Uranium fission to stimulate the reactions in Thorium. You can look up how Thorium reacts and what the reaction products are. Again look up Kirk Sorensen at the links I provided to get all the details. Don't be lazy, it is all available for you to explore.

I couldn't find anything on a "chip" reactor... is it maybe a pebble bed reactor?

The main problem with thotium is that it uses molten salt, which is much more corrosive

Thorium reactors don't need plutonium to run. They use the thorium fuel cycle, breeding u232

@@MrGottaQuestion Irradiated Thorium is more dangerously radioactive in the short term. The Th-U cycle invariably produces some U-232, which decays to Tl-208, which has a 2.6 MeV gamma ray decay mode. Bi-212 also causes problems. These gamma rays are very hard to shield, requiring more expensive spent fuel handling and/or reprocessing. Reactors that use thorium are operating on what’s called the Thorium-Uranium (Th-U) fuel cycle. The vast majority of existing or proposed nuclear reactors, however, use enriched uranium (U-235) or reprocessed plutonium (Pu-239) as fuel (in the Uranium-Plutonium cycle), and only a handful have used thorium.

Garbage Why dont u build one, honey?

@@teatree6228 Gimme a couple minutes, mate.

I like the fact that you are discerning. We see this market overhang also with new battery technologies. Do you know the details of how far along China has gotten with their research program. If you have informed sources of additional information perhaps you can supply some links so we can get more up to date on their progress.

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The problem is you don't understand the chinese. They quite like the way how you thinking. The "DEMO" unit mean for chinese is very much different with you. It's already a workable reactor passed all the requirements in lab and able to gain "go ahead" from chinese government. Then they'll reaching in current state. They want to gain more knowledge to how to build and operate with safe and eficient rather than create it. This "DEMO" unit is more like demostrate to the public. The chinese "DEMO' unit was connected to the power grid. They'll continue to R&D the issues found during the initial operation, challeges for commercially operation. Main issue was the first the output still very small 10MW, next reactor will be 5-10 times larger before large scale production. They not in hurry, their 1st Gen IV htgr reactor already started initial commercial operation at october 2023. Large scale mass production in 2-3 years if smooth.

Indeed. We could have Thorium LFTR in 1970 ..... if there would have been honest politicians and not satanic crooks.

Thorium pellet tecnology is a dead end - molten salt is a different beast.

@@veijolalli326 molten salt was tried extensively in India to no success for decades, its far too corrosive

Technical problems exist there to be solved - that’s what they pay scientists for. 😅

By magic!

Sort of, but not really. Nixon killed the molten salt experiment project for political reasons, then the coal and gas lobby forced the NRC to be created to kill their only competition. The nuclear industry did nothing to help themselves either. Fast forward to 2011 +/- and Kirk Sorensen resurrects the now de-classified ORNL MSR documents and gives his famous TED talk. That opened the gates. Fast forward again (Well with nuclear there is nothing fast) to 2023 and there are dozens of MSR or some variant start-up companies racing to be first to market. No one knows if this Chinese reactor is real or viable but companies like Terrestrial Energy in Canada is real and more than halfway through a joint US-Canadian licensing review. Most of these companies have abandoned thorium and stuck with uranium, a better option.

come back in 20 years

and than it takes 20 years to build

and 20 more for testing

The US simply did not see the potential of this power system. No vision on the part of our leaders. So we openly gave all our Tech on the subject to China. They will do something with it.

Wish our government has a brain

China and Russia together are the only real superpower, evil NATO is a small poodle compare to those two giants !!!

True.

WEST countries might thinking like that. But chinese not like that. Every 3 years technology advancement/replacement in a product could be need a decade at other countries. Chinese still thinking the speed is not quick enough.

The reason why no one pursued thorium is that it cannot last long due to the use of molten salt

what is we can cool things with another medium? liquid... but made of rock?

A thorium-based reactor uses liquid salt as a coolant.

A mind is a terrible thing to waste! You had apparently wasted yours!

That is an interesting remark. You claim that the reactor doesn't work. Professors said that airplanes are not possible. Then came the Wright brothers.

@@albertmagician8613 No, thorium reactors haven been proven to work decades ago. However the claim that it doesn't need water and for that reason can be located in a desert is weird. A thorium reactor still produces heat which is used to generate steam so the actual conversion of heat to electricity is still the very same thermodynamic proces using turbines and a condensor as with the conventional uranium based fission reactor.

just put on corrosive politicians and it will resorb

Secret. National Security

Probably New discoveries in material science allowed for corrosion resistent alloys. However, as @Ghe480 states, its going to be a secret.

China mengakalinya dengan ember plastik

Wait, they are going to steal that technology from the US (which does not have the technology).

Great analysis 👍🏼

No any Oxygen and pure Thorium will do.

@@hsinhuang6039 what you mean?

Copenhagen atomics has largely solved it.

@@MrGottaQuestion That is good news. Can you give me any details?

@@JCAH1 supposedly getting the salts super pure helps. No oxygen from the air.

Exactly. That's why no other country has pursued thorium

the experimental project has already been running for years. they are now building the first commercial project.

@@wnose because no other country has such a big need in electricity? you know China generates more electricity than any other country in the world?

Thorium msr waste has a very short half life and can consume a lot of the old uranium reactor waste as fuel blend