Null-ls IS BEING ARCHIVED | Prime Reacts 

I thought it was "null-is" and it was an NPM package that checks if something is null or not

rest in peace null-ls. What an absolute beast of a plugin.

Damn, saddened to hear this. Thanks for all your hard work mr. Alvarez!!

Holy shit, I've been using null-ls for 8 months. I started my neovim journey with it. Now I'm gonna have to change my config file, I was looking forward to going a month without changing it.

I literally found out about it today when trying to configure prettier. Being happy to find a solution, I spend at least an hour on understanding what it does and putting it my config. Fuck my life

I never expected such a wide coverage on a niche topic like this. Awesome job!!

If I remain ignorant of what null-ls does, I will be able to continue not to care. I assume null-ls is like ls, but it doesn't print out anything. Sounds great.

Very sad to hear. Honestly always wondered how such plug-in could exist, just crazy. Hope the maintainer will take some time for himself and his family. Let’s hope this will be an opportunity to improve some of the issues mentioned by the author and create something even greater!

The community doesn't show too much love ...sometimes.

I absolutely agree, as the author of crates.nvim, which supports code actions via null-ls, the one thing I would appreciate would be a builtin `vim.actions` api like `vim.diagnostics`. It could be lazy like lsp actions, where the source registers a callback and then the client asks for actions at a position in the code, instead of the source preemptively pushing actions like in null-ls.

On the last comment about haskell: Technically even computation is a side effect, so unless you're driving haskell's system somehow it would not even compute/heat the room.

Poor Haskell didn't deserve that. Haskell has never done anybody wrong, in fact, it's never done anything ever.

How dos VSCode handles it? Since it's like one plugin per language I'm assuming each plugin handles everything from downloading the LSP to using it for auto complete, actions, formatting, linting and diagnostics. Why do we make it different in Neovim? Why do we try to make a general plugin that tries to work with all languages and their free-for-all actions? Can't we just install a plugin per language too?

Yes keep dropping them bangers The bangeragen 🔥

wooh, i thought this was clickbait for a moment 😭

Let Tom re-write Neovim LSP in JDSL, hes a super genius!

This really reminds me of Rich talking about svelte. Everyone has great ideas but you really have to just say no

What an outstanding guy.

AI Teej makes an appearance! Also super sad about losing null-ls. :(

I think the underlying issue is that despite how good LSP is, it is not a ‘complete’ tool and not IDE enough. Therefore you have to incorporate multiple tools to get a complete IDE experience. So as always, blame Microsoft😂

I missed one of the "(l|i)s" and for a split-second I was like: what, the primitive is getting removed?

This made me so sad that I open the VSC for 5s.

Amazing conversation

TJ says "like" counter: 10^26

none-ls is here!

Dang. Null-ls was great, I'll miss it.

LazyVim is by FAR the best distro. I've built upwards of 10 of my own configs, tried Lunar, Evo, Chad (almost all of them). Lazy first of all is the only one that had keymappings that were a) expected and b) very close to my own personal config. Further TJ mentioned it but the problem with most distros is that they feel very "proprietary" in terms of how they extended / customized. It's like learning a whole other thing than nvim. LazyVim on the other hand feels very much the same approach I would take just building my own configuration and extending nvim. I don't think I will ever maintain my own base config again. LazyVim is what I would have done anyway if I was more versed in neovim. It's very good. Only small neg is the documentation is sparse in places.

"Especially since I'm not using Neovim as my primary editor" Based and enlightened pilled

interesting never heard of kickstart.

Welp, I finally got around to setting up null-ls Last week...

Damn I really need to watch a mason tutorial. I still only use the lsp.

Man, just look at the issues and PRs below the announcement that references this and the amount of issues about switching away.

soo what was the editor he switched to?

if not neovim, what is he using??? 😅

Time to migrate from null-ls, this situation sucks. I can try running raw Mason, but sometimes it doesn't work at all for certain code actions or linters.

Why does Teej sound like an AI trained on Valley Girl accent.

i use haskell btw

Lets contributing!!

Oh no don’t tell me I’ll have to move to emacs

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="280">4:40</a> Is it really so special to build an editor? I could write one in a few weeks and it would be better than nano, right? Maybe I would just fork an existing minimalistic Editor in Rust and add new features into it, when I need some.

In point 2, I have the same problems with iron.nvim and I'm actually considering the same route, deprecating and archiving it.

im not a neovim guy, what did the plugin do?

I was so happy that null is being retired just to turn sad instead. Man should I do more sleep.

Primes face be like ¦->{

Sound Level > /dev/null

I’m going to fork it and rename it undefined-ls or undefined-ls-la.

NOOOO

I hope folke takes charge in the next gen null-ls

For the priority issue instead of the z-index issue wouldn't you just implement a graph tree like say the render pipeline from bevy, where a plugin can just say "before-X" and allow transition events etc

You were supposed to pivot and your hand would still be ok.

null-is: module.exports = require("is-null") Come on, sombody's gotta do it!

lmao TheHaskellLOLagen 🤣🤣🤣

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="960">16:00</a> You can easily override the default cmd in mason, the only thing to keep in mind it's propably that you have to use absolute path. Anyway, you can call mason_lspconfig.setup_handlres and there define handler for each server even if it's autoinstalled

Lol I installed null-Ls on Monday

It's so sad that null-ls died of ligma

Are you related to dr Disrespect

I wonder what he uses instead of nvim

we need neovim as a service

Roseh

I don't use Null-ls , but I can understand TJs Point. At some point, there must be a line. Vim has so many configurations (I would say almost as many, as there are users). The more automation you provide to the user, the less they will understand why some things simply don't work. Vim Distros like NvChad and LunaVim make it even worse, because now they bring in people who don't even know how to configure it. (In a Sence they abstract away the configuration, etc...) Having a config to jump of off, is nice, but simply providing a repo with a base configuration is not helping to much IMO I honestly love your "Zero to LSP" VIdeo and have recommended it to a lot of people, who asked "How do I use Vim as my main editor". It: - Is quick - easy to follow - gives a base understanding on how NeoVim is configured - shows how to migrate old VimRC configs to Lua - shows all the essential plugins a developer needs to get started We need more means to educate users on how to configure it, instead of doing the configuration for people.

So that's why my null-ls failed to config

I've personally haven't found a use for null-ls in a while, I see a lot of the distros use it though. I did look at using it in the early days to get eslint working, but there is a lsp for that now. For formatting there is formatter.nvim which works great.

I’m so tired of neovim (an plugin) updates. I’m happy with the current feature set, please stop breaking my editor

I respect PDE instead of an IDE, but I use nvim because its so low on resources. Would be nice if any of these IDEs ambitions of neovim were really good. Kickstart is the only one I've tried that's actually the closest to just work out of the box, good custom motions and only need a little tinkering. All the others always gives one little error once you do this specific little thing. They all want to be vscode instead of making a really good vim experience. Sadly I often get overwhelmed trying to learn what nvim can do and how to do it do become one of those PDE masters.

I've had plenty of issues where project A says it's an issue for project B and they say it's for project C and they say it's for project B then they say it's for project A and everyone insists they won't work on it. Projects need to take ownership of anything and everything reported to them and facilitate a three-way or four-way call, passing(a hot transfer) the user along so that a solution can be reached.

Firstagen

TJ's skin looks so nice! Prime's mustache looks so manly! Two handsome gents for sure!

I just can't get used to vim as an editor. I make too many typos, and constantly having to switch modes does far more damage to my productivity than anything vim does to improve it.

The jannies do it for free!

Still trying to understand what made null-ls great. Not a light. Just geniune ignorance. Is it ease of integrating autoformat? I don't mind doing the autocmd stuff

We understand it was an accident Prime... Blink twice if you need help

going foss is a mistake for any developer , am not doing shit if am not getting paid for it

How to become like TJ , rather like what sort of exeperience goes into building something like this. The more I spend time writing APIs and buliding systems, the more bored I get, because after sometime its like being really good at finding points of failure. Something like ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-MZytZW_k-9Y.html And I want to be able to know what I don't know about building such things. Like I have build super simple text editor 1 time. And I was exhausted without much proper guidelines. I would love to work on neovim core. Atleast in the begging I could do this all day :D

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Give folke 3 days. When lazy format.

I use Vscode, by the way XD

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docs exist to not be read 💀

if you're being a victim of home abuse and are too afraid to come out and say it, lick your keyboard /s

The Neovim config is so try hard. I prefer standard Vim config.

Honestly, I hate to see a project like null-ls getting sunset like this but thank you and TJ for pointing me to kickstart.nvim