Some parts Numenor's history seem to been inspired not only by Plato but also by researchers and occultists whose theories were widespread during Tolkien's time.
I just want to add that, if I recall correctly, the numenorian society started their resentment towards elves and having those two factions one or two centuries before Sauron intervened. It simply was that Sauron pushed the right buttons and turned those ideas more radical and influential, but they were always there. Sauron was merely the catalyst, but the barrel full of poweder was still there.
Yeah, they did, the Faithful predate Sauron arriving in Numenor, but the disagreements between them and the King's Men were wayyyy smaller. No sacrifices to Morgoth and all that yet
@@danielrusso4468 yes of course, it was Sauron that introduced Melkor worship into Numenor, but it was not clear in the video that there were any tensions in Numenor before Sauron, and that it was men's ambition and jealously of the valar's favourship of the elves that allowed them to be corrupted by Sauron in the first place.
What would be interesting to see is an overlay of the landmass from the 1st age with where Numenor is located. Was there anything of significance in the area during the 1st age that got sunk. Perhaps a bit of Melkor's evil left behind that tainted the minds of some to the point that they accepted Sauron.
This is great, as always. I struggle to remember and organize (and, in all honesty, understand) all the different facts regarding Middle Earth after reading, so these video are a godsend and have given me a greater understanding and appreciation for Tolkien's world. Brilliantly done as well, thankyou so much.
To answer the question of the day in how does Numenor reflect the history of our world. I would say it is clear that Tolkien took a lot of inspiration from our history, and the result is that Numenor is a combination of that history. To name a couple, some low hanging fruit is, the power of the island represented by England and the power of Great Britain as a naval power. Another is of the fall and the parallels with Atlantis, if we believe Atlantis was ever a real place is different conversation.
Yeah, Numenor represents the British Empire really well in a few ways, even if that's not what Tolkien meant. The "colonized turned colonizer" trope stands out hugely here. England being colonized by a previous power (here the Romans), then becoming very much like them due to it and finally becoming a world colonizer, completely tracks with Numenor. Hell the Numenoreans' royal language is a form of Elvish. Plus the fact that they colonized basically everywhere the elves weren't in Middle-Earth is a really interesting thing to note
Beating a dead horse but, one of the many, many criticisms of Rings of Power is this Numenor does not look that impressive. Not the giant CGI model city that cost the GDP of a small country, no that looks impressive, but all the other stuff, falls flat on its face.
@@nosotrosloslobosestamosreg4115 It's not just the sets, the armor looked like those cheap armor costumes kids get, you know the grey plastic silver stuff with the dragon on it.
Yeah, I love imagining what it looked like & love the art that comes out. But the rings of power kinda makes it feel like just a boring, bland, generic time piece.
The separation between the Faithful and the King's Men was before the capture of Sauron. My question is, why no Vala went to Númenor? We know Ulmo went to talk to the man Tuor. The Valar could have gone to Númenor to talk directly to the Númenorians instead of just sending Elves as messengers.
This moral divide in Númenorean society is a natural phenomenon that occurs over time as power corrupts and leads to decline. Sauron had no part in the initial emergence of this division. In fact, when considered chronologically, in the period when the division as an event first occurred (SA 2251), Sauron focused his power on the east of Middle-earth. In the video, there is a narrative as if Sauron caused this division. Sauron is a figure who enters the equation later (SA 3262) with an effect that only deepens this division.
Numenoreans were so far South that they should have been quite tan people. Even if they showed up quite pale, three thousand years of living somewhere would have some effect on them. Harad is of similar parallel and they are akin to North Africa.
In the Bible there is a rebellion while the Jews are in the desert during their 40 year travel period between Egypt and the Holy Land. This rebellion was led by a man named Korach against the leader of the Jews, Moses. In the end Korach and his followers are punished by being swallowed up by the ground to burn in Hell for eternity. This is very much the same fate Ar-Pharazon and his followers met.
Think of Tolkien's Numenor as a mutli-level chessboard, reflecting TRUE HISTORY, and overlaid with the stories of different global regions. Not 'allegorical', as the Master himself emphasized--just 'disguised'. It is the reason he was able to detail the Legendarium so minutely and precisely.
The Valar were wrong to separate elves and men, which doesn't appear to be Ilúvatar's original intent. It was especially wrong to make the mixing ban one way. Elves and men should have been warned of the dangers for men of the Undying Lands and for elves in the chaotic Middle Earth ~but~ allow freewill to determine choice and risk tolerance.
Feels like the fall of numinor could be used to model the fall of the US, which we are likely in the midst of. We have become totally disconnected from our heritage and values and are consumed with greed, self image, and self empowerment with little regard for the environment, poor, or divine
and the 2 idea what if the ents never when to war and 3 ideas what if the corsairs never had the darklord and last what if sauron still had were wolfs and bates in the third age
I think we can all agree that everything about ‘Rings of Power’ was utter garbage, and that we are going to file it away under bad fan-fiction where it belongs. The only kind of ring they were making in that show was boring.
Ain't that the truth. But at least amazins just poor writing and not pushing the lgmgbgt ideology that disney is absolutely ripping star wars apart with. Have u watched the acolyte? The Jewish Council had no today but instead a lesbian female version. More lesbian mixed race couples that I wonder how the galaxy repopulates itself and find a strong white male character is Impossible, all white men are evil, stupid or cowardly. All this and terrible writing!
