Nuremberg - Lies and Hoess 

High ranking Nazis when shown a picture of Hitler: I’ve never seen this man in my life

This man literally showed up, said "yeah I did that shit.", and dipped.

Brian Cox was a ideal casting as Goring, his acting is perfect

The actor who played Goering really got his mannerisms down pat. His distinctive smile and everything!

The scary thing is Hoess wasn't a psychopath, a fanatic, a sadist, or an amoral technocrat. He was an 'average man" who believed in what he was doing. "A rat catcher catching rats".

"Prior to 1939, exactly how many people deposited their teeth into your bank"

"Prior to 1939, exactly how many of your customers deposited their teeth in your bank?" Just stunning, it leaves one speechless to hear such an incredible thing, ever having been said in a court of law; and this movie was based entirely on actual transcripts being recorded in the courtroom at the time of the trial.

The fact that Hoess wanted to clarify that he didn't condone "wanton cruelty" in *Auschwitz* is stunning in terms of the kind of double-thinking and mental gymnastics people can put themselves through to convince themselves they're not the villain in their own life's story.

one thing for sure if you don't want to be tried for war crimes , don't lose

Admiral Donitz - the last Supreme Commander of Germany - said it best: "How could I send my best men to their deaths, and let the cowards go..?"

“The segregation laws in your country and the antisemitic laws in mine, are they not just a difference of degree?” - Yup. Damn.

Goddamn, Goering really pulls that double standard card to the officer.

Historical inaccuracy: Hoss didn't experiment with Zyklon B. One of his subordinates did while Hoss was in Berlin on business. Hoss was informed of the results after he returned. (He was pleased, obviously.)

"Any misconduct was punished, I assure you." Well, that makes it better 😐

I don't think I've ever heard a more chilling testimony. I write this because I know that this drama is based on the official record. The actor who plays Hoess captures his amoral character perfectly!

"Approximately 2 and half millions" the way hes talk..the face..really capture the moment..

Robert Jackson is presented in this movie as the hero of the trial, when in fact he was complete failure. He never once managed to outmanuver Goering and he simply kept reading tons and tons of papers throughout the trial which is why judges turned against him at one point as shown in this movie. On the other hand, Maxwell-Fyfe and British prosecution team kept bringing witnesses and presenting evidences which was what really destroyed defendants' defense.

Goring's response to Ribbentrop's mistake has never been recorded in any of official records nor transcripts from the trial. However, somebody present in courtroom has indeed later stated that he had heard Goring say this.

I can't be the only one who read the title as "Nuremberg: Lies and Hoes."

Lies and Hoes sounds like a killer rap track

"The death of one man is a tragedy. The death of millions is a statistic." Joseph Stalin

It’s haunting how the commandant is just casually describing the murder of millions of people.

The scary thing is that under the right circumstances we are all capable of inhumanity and murder on a huge scale

The camera angle, the unblinking facial feature and the "matter of fact" tone in his voice when he states 2.5 million people were killed under his supervision is brilliant for cinema. It's unnerving and makes me feel sick to my stomach. Well done by everyone involved.

It's difficult to fathom the degree of malevolence after hearing that statement.. "My men were there to exterminate people, not torment them."

I love how blunt the Commandant was. An SS man.

Rudolf was the most composed, the mindset of a man who knows his life is ending soon, regardless of the prosecutor’s performance.

I think Christopher Plummer was marvelous in this film. May he Rest in Peace.

Not just being biased as i'm Scottish, but Cox is an amazing actor

Brian Cox, what a guy - exasperated, pious and raging in the time it takes to heat up soup. He really caught the emotional whirlwind behind so many war criminals

Brian Cox gave an absolute dynamite performance in this movie.

5:29 look at this man’s face: he is absolutely horrified at what he just heard. 10,000 people a day could be “dispatched” at peak operation. He even leaned in with his mouth ajar as if to make sure he had heard the commandant correctly, only to seem out of breath and full of sorrow when he finally reclined in his char at the end of the testimony.!

gotta love the judge face in disbelieve that someone can say something like that with straight face.

4:19 when he spoke out that name, that person was screwed and fled to Argentina before get brought back to Israel for a trial...

The cross examination of Doctor Walther Funk is exceptionally well written and acted.

4:07 If I ever get tried in court for war crimes I'll make damn sure I'm looking swag af.

When I feel too intelligent, I go to the youtube comment section.

I love it, from 6:04 to 6:11 "I did not tolerate gratuitous Cruelty, my men were there to exterminate people, not torment them". Well that changes everything, what a Peach of a guy. TIC!

Very good editing, gives you the feel of all the different personalities in a large courtroom

Lies and hoes. My life in a nutshell

1:05 “Dr Funk” *dancing his way out of being a convicted war criminal since 1939*

Goring speaks of Japanese Americans in camps. Actually my family (Italian background) was relocated (not put in camps) by the US Government away from an oil refinery they lived near due to possible terrorist acts during WW2. My father's best friend, also Italian died in Iwo Jima yet his mother was relocated by the Navy because she lived too close to a navy base. German Americans also had similar and worse relocations, you just never hear about it. It was insulting, but a time of war.

The REALLY frightening thing is that we all think the Nazis were evil, terrible men and that WE could never, ever do such things ... but we so easily could. That terrible capacity is within us all. And those who think they are the purest and the wisest are the ones MOST likely to do so!

"It is simply a statement of fact!" This should be a meme 😅

0:56 I never knew that Mario was at the Nuremberg trials...

Wow Matt Craven(psychiatrist). You were the most underrated actor in this movie. Your eyes did what other actors coudnt do by words.

This cast is insanely talented.

I have been watching lots of these reaction videos to well known movies. Reacting to schindlers list often comes up. The question inevitably comes up in the scenes where the SS are shooting innocent men women and children as to how they could do this. And it seemed from all that I have read that the “work” was considered ugly, horrible even traumatic but it had to be done. Auschwitz and other killing centres were established because of the inefficiency of mass shootings by einsatzgruppe in Russia. Part of this inefficiency was the effect this violence had on the men doing it. This is what happens when you place a nation under a program of mass propaganda that dehumanises a population. It’s the speed of it that amazes me. 1938 was kristallnacht and there were massive face to face shootings and killings in 1941.

"You started it!" "We did *not* start it!" "Yes you did! You invaded Poland!"

That Speer laughter at the ending really got me. The kind of laughter when you know you did something really bad, and then got out of it one piece.

And hoss is giving us a valuable lesson on "how to dig your own grave"

I read the memoirs of Hoess. He was asked to write them before his execution and complied and the portrayal was spot-on. While reading these memoirs I did not get the picture of a genuinely evil or ruthless man. From childhood to his rise in power he was three things above all else: obedient, diligent, thorough. There was a strong sense of detachment. I honestly think the idea of applying moral standards to his actions never occured to him. In the others you could see a sense of morals. They tried to hide, diminish their responsibilities. Either that or they were hateful sadists reveling in their cruelty towards their victims. In both cases there is a sense of right and wrong. The first category did something wrong and they knew it so tried to hide and evade. The second category did something wrong and they knew it and celebrated it much like a warrior who kills the husband rapes the wife and says ''What are you gonna do about it motherfucker?''. Not with Hoess. He neither hid from it nor reveled in it. He was simply doing his job following orders. This excuse was used by many to avoid retribution but with Hoess, and only Hoess, I believe it was the naked truth. In his memoirs a very clear picture is created. Absolute, unquestioning obedience to AUTHORITY. This authority took many forms. In his childhood it was his father, later prison authorities(he did some time because of nazi activities), still later SS leadership. He didnt think, he was a real-life ROBOT. For him if AUTHORITY said it was right then it was right. If AUTHORITY said it was wrong then it was wrong. Period. No concept of independent thought whatsoever. I honestly think that if instead of executing him they ordered him to go to Israel and help the Jews he was previously exterminating build a new life he would do it without a second thought. And of course he would have completed this task thoroughly and diligently and taken a bit of pride in his efficiency while helping Jews just like he did when killing them. It would have been fine because AUTHORITY said it was fine. As crazy as it sounds I dont believe he was an honest antisemite. At least not in thought. The others were. Not him. He was just a good bureucrat fullfilling his assigned function. The psychogists of the US Army that studied him advocated this view as well saying quote "This man shows a sense of detachment that could not have been greater in a frank psychotic." Only at the end, a few days before his execution by hanging did he consider, for the first time in his life I think, his actions from an ethics perspective and he immediately became repentant. This is reflected in a letter to his son advising him to not be like him. He said he had come to realize he had sinned gravely against humanity. Then, and this is very important, he advised his son to NOT BLINDLY OBEY AUTHORITY AS HE HAD but to question directives coming from above and to decide his actions for himself based on kindness and warmth from the heart. In my opinion this was a man of diminished responsibility and should not have been executed. He should have been put in a psychiatric hospital and studied. The data from such a study would have been invaluable and would have prevented future massacres by showing how people turn off their empathy when commanded to do so by AUTHORITY.

The Reichs Marshall Goering was the "Star" of the Show.

I like the end. Göring's actor is amazing.

I like how his final words are in a way meant to assure the audience of his character - that he did not run an operation of torture & humiliation of the imprisoned because that would be in bad taste - but instead to be as productive and professional in his goals to exterminate as many as he could as cheaply as he could - failing all the while to see that the goal was what disrepute's his character beyond salvation; not the manner in which the act was done. A rat catcher catching rats about sums it up; so dehumanized are the Jewish people in his mind that he doesn't stop to think of giving them moral consideration - so much so that he could proudly and without hesitation lay out a scathing self incrimination of his actions within Auchwitz as if he were detailing the act of setting the traps with cheese to tempt out the mice to their deaths. Casual, emotionless, indifferent to the human lives he has taken - because the key to understanding his mind set is that he does not see the Jews as humans, but rather he see's Jews just the same way as most humans see rats. Bothersome pests that eat up produce and bring diseases with them. Most people think the opposite of love is hate; it's not. The opposite of love is indifference, the lack of love in whatever form it takes is what leads to events in history like this.

9:03: The segregation laws in your country and the anti-semetic laws in my country - are they not just a difference of degree?

I love that guys face after he says 'any misconduct was punished', hes just like Oh Brother

Brian Cox finally getting the acclaim and awards in the 2010s and 2020s after tearing it up for decades playing villains with depth.

"Lies and Hoes" sounds like the title of a rap song lol

1990's films were never good at getting the feel or ambience correct for other eras.

Everyone is prejudiced to something, just some believe their prejudice is more righteous than others

Christopher Plummer played Sir Maxwell Fyfe, while Benoit Girard played Joachim von Ribbentropp in this mini series. Both Plummer and Girard were alot older then their real people their characters were based on. Plummer was 71, while Sir Maxwell Fyfe was 46, and Girard was 68, while Ribbentrop was only 53 at the time of his execution. Conversely, Alec Baldwin was alot younger then real Justice Jackson was - Baldwin was 42, while Jackson was 54.

I live in Nurnberg since 2016, and for almost 2 whole years, I have passed by the very building this process was carried out. I have never heard of this movie, and since I visited the memorial where this whole thing actually happened, now I want to watch the movie SO BAD. It feels really weird, to pass the Nurnberg Process building 2 times a day at least, but it surely feels okay that justice happened.

I love how at the end the American officer says "It was wrong" as if that somehow wipes away the fact that it was happening. In america German POW's, literal enemies, some of whom probably had american blood on their hands were treated better than black soldiers. Even after the war there were a rash of lynchings where thousands of black veterans were targeted with essentially zero response from the federal government.

In The Ascent of Man, it’s discussed how scientists and engineers cannot be so obsessed with solving a problem, that they forget their humanity. My ethics professor showed me the episode about the Ash Ponds of Auschwitz-Birkenau, and the concept beyond the obvious didn’t really stick until I saw a pond where the ashes of some 1 million people were dumped.

To be honest nobody has a right to put others on trail when it comes to war.

Thank god Steiner couldn't gather enough men for the attack.

The really frightening thing is he has no fucking idea just how horrific he is. Even trying to reassure the court that he punished any guards who ''tormented'' people is so dark because he thinks there was nothing wrong with extermination as he says it all so matter of factly. Like it was nothing more than talking about tax returns. He was worried about the court thinking there might have been torture but he doesn't have the empathy to realise that huge mass murder is fucking worse.

Different "confessions" Following his capture at the end of World War II, while imprisoned Höß allegedly signed or wrote several different "confessions". In one case he even signed a "confession" written in English. At the Nuremberg Trials, excerpts from one of these "confessions" were read aloud by another person, with Höß at intervals being asked if this was what he had written. Höß in each case answered affirmatively (usually only with the one word "Jawohl", an affirmative response, but with the implication of being a response to an order). In one case he made "a two sentence response (containing an obvious error about the Hungarian Jews supposedly having been killed at Auschwitz as early as 1943 even though the first convoy of them did not arrive at Auschwitz until May 2 of 1944)". No one asked Höß any further questions.[3] See the article "How the British Obtained the Confessions of Rudolf Höss" in the "External links" section regarding more details on the different versions. Memoirs on being tortured to gain a "confession" While being a prisoner in Communist Poland, Höß allegedly wrote his memoirs. Robert Faurisson has written on "The texts generally collected under the title Commandant in Auschwitz. Höss is alleged to have written these texts in pencil under the watchful eye of his Polish-Communist jailers, while in a prison at Cracow awaiting his trial. He was condemned to death on 2 April 1947 and hanged at the Auschwitz concentration camp fourteen days later. The world had to wait 11 years, until 1958, for the publication in German of his alleged memoirs. They were edited by the German historian Martin Broszat without regard for scholarly method. Broszat went so far as to suppress several fragments which would have too clearly made it appear that Höss (or his Polish jailers) had offered outrageous statements which would have called into question the reliability of his writings in toto. [...] In his memoirs Höss recounts the circumstances of his arrest and what followed. The treatment that he underwent was particularly brutal. At first sight it is surprising that the Poles allowed Höss to make the revelations he did about the British military police. On reflection, we discover that they might have done so out of one or more of the following motives: to give the confession an appearance of sincerity and veracity; to cause the reader to make a comparison, flattering for the Polish Communists, between the British and Polish methods, Indeed Höss later said that during the first part of his detention at Cracow, his jailers came very close to finishing him off physically and above all morally, but that later they treated him with "such decent and considerate treatment" that he consented to write his memoirs; to furnish an explanation for certain absurdities contained in the text (NO-1210) that the British police had had Höss sign".[3] Höß stated that "On March 11, 1946, at 11 p.m., I was arrested. […] I was treated terribly by the (British) Field Security Police. […] During the first interrogation they beat me to obtain evidence. I do not know what is in the transcript, or what I said, even though I signed it, because they gave me liquor and beat me with a whip. It was too much even for me to bear. […] Minden on the Weser River […]. There they treated me even more roughly, especially the first British prosecutor, who was a major. […] I cannot really blame the interrogators [at the IMT] - they were all Jews. I was for all intents and purposes psychologically dissected. […] They also left me with no doubt whatsoever what was going to happen to me."[2] en.metapedia.org/wiki/Rudolf_H%C3%B6%C3%9F

“And why was this not done to American citizens of German and Italian descent?” It actually was. Around 10,000 of each.

This movie missed some of the weirdest and most interesting aspects of Goering, such as his penchant for painting his nails using ladies nail polish. Brightly colored. WTF was that about? We'll never know. It also misses just how messed up Goering was when he first surrendered. He'd been largely sidelined for the last 18 months of the war, or so, holed up and sulking at his estate and filling his brain with opioids. While the film alludes to his physical condition it doesn't show just how mentally "gone" the guy was. God only knows what he'd been up to since 1943. But for practical purposes he had nothing to do with running the Third Reich or even the Luftwaffe in most of 1944 and 1945. He just got fatter and more smacked-out. That, I believe, led the Allies to underestimate Goering. Once he was dried out and no longer under the influence of drugs he turned out to be a highly intelligent and crafty opponent. The man was no dunce. In fact, all of these Nuremberg defendants were giving IQ tests and Goering was a certifiable genius. Surprisingly, Albert Speer was second to last. NOT surprisingly Streicher was the least intelligent. But all of them, including Streicher, scored above average.

Watch actual footage of Hoess' testimony at Nuremberg for a more interesting and truthful insight into the history of the Holocaust. This TV movie adaptation suffers - quite typically - from the tendency to sensationalize and to distort the source material and inserts blunt, simplistic messages into the script because filmmakers think their audiences are too dumb to pick up on a more nuanced performance. In any case, it's also rather hard to take seriously this performance because of the ridiculous faked accent. (Which does not sound like any kind of German accent, more like a really bad fake French accent.) Just do without the accents if you have all the characters speak English anyway.

I can **not** imagine how a person can say such horrific things in such a matter-of-fact way, as though he had been asked what he was required to do while in charge of doing the army's laundry... Honestly, I'm not sure any of the actors bar Hoess & the guy that questioned him after court really sold the combination of polite exactitude/ mind-bending honesty, on his part- & the dumbfoundedness & horror that I imagine the Allies _had_ to have felt viscerally, right to their cores, hearing that....

"The witness is excused! The court is adjourned until 9 o'clock tomorrow morning" I think everyone in the courtroom needed that adjournment

Interesting how Hoess made it clear he wasn’t out to torture anyone, he’s still a mass murderer but he did it in the most humane and non painful way, never knew this

“Get it all on record now - get the films - get the witnesses -because somewhere down the road of history some bastard will get up and say that this never happened.” ― Dwight D. Eisenhower

Robert Jackson is an unsung hero from Jamestown... it's always an honor to go to lectures and music at his center

1:45 say, wouldn't it be simple to just claim that he hadn't any idea of what was being deposited in the bank? After all, it is protocol in most if not all banks that the contents of SDBs stay not only safe, but also private.

5:48 i love how he just says this non chalantly.

That commandant didn't know when to shut up or that you can refuse to answer.

My grandfather was a guard at the trial. The whole thing. He saw this and said there was no screamimg yelling or dramatics like portrayed in this movie.

You had to have someone like this to "work" in the camp. They tried putting normal people in there at first, but they kept on having nervous break downs. Very often they would find prisoners themselves to do the "work" for them. You had to be totally uncompassionate as well as totally immune from human suffering to work in a place like that. I asked one survivor if any of the guards had any kind compassion and he said, "No, they were totally into the philosophy." Another told me that the younger guards were much worse than the older ones.

When you try to roast your german classmate but he always has a comeback

How good is Brian Cox ?!?!

5:30 - shout-out to the actor for brilliantly conveying his disgust and bewilderment with a single look.

I forget who said it, but, he summed the whole, sorry mess up correctly ; "If these things were done by Monsters, it would have no more moral significance than a tornado." The most important lesson of Nuremberg is that these were men like us; with the same passions and potential and potential for evil. The ability lies within each of us and must be dealt with.

I read this as " Lies and Hoes " each and every time lmao.

Scottish Goering is quite based

Brian Cox was masterful in Goering's role!

"Attacked without provocation" - lulz, if only Göring had known about the McCollum memo..

'We are here in this room is because you win the war'

Thank you for uploading!

That's bone chillingly cold.

5:28 "bro is this guy serious??"

If one has a philosophy of hurting someone that he or she doesn't even know, such a person's life will be a catastrophy.

I hate to be the one to say this but Goering was right about Americas hypocrisy when it came to minorities

Does anybody know if Höss really said something like 6:00 during the real-life trial, and if he did, was there any truth to it?

I remember watching this when it was on TV. Does anybody know how much of the testimony dialogue is taken straight from the trial transcripts, and how much the screenwriters have to create to keep the story going?

You can get people to do almost anything within a system that divests individuals of accountability.

The "Final Solution" could have never occured had there not already been historically high levels of Antisemitism not only in the German states (Prior to 1870 a "German" referred to a mustard, not a person...) but in most of the countries of Europe, which in many cases enthusiastically supported the efforts and afterwards tried to blame everything back on Germany.