Silicon die also increased in size for L2 cash, RT cores, AI accelerator cores... Though prices are still a bit high and nvidia now upsells lower tier products: eg. 4070 ti should be the Real 4070 as it is the one competing with last gen flagship 3090/ ti. and regular 4070 should've been branded as 4060 because it performs similar to RTX 3080
Dude let it go times change and you can definitely thank the ones who buys things at these prices no problem that's why it ain't a problem to the makers of the program
@@brownie43212 A part of it is inflation, a part of it is greed for sure, but you can't really compare the price of the silicon between a 970 and a 4070 tbf.
@@lamentistriangle281 GTX 970 398mm2 versus RTX 4070S 294mm2. Nvidia are making more 4070S' out of a single wafer than the equivalent 900 series, meaning it's cheaper per die (usually around $8-10k a wafer with TSMC). It's the same across the board for the 4000 series, all being small die's apart from the 4090. Those that don't look deeper into those specifics and just say 'well it should cost more because advances in technology /software' are lying to themselves.
16gb really needs to be the standard for anything xx70 series and above. It's absolutely ridiculous to pay over 600 dollars or even 800 in the case for the Ti and be held back with 12gb with a 192 bit bus.
@slickysan yes held back. Quite a few games are so close to 12gb at 1440 now. In a year u will have to lower graphics, that is holding back a card.. pretty simple
@@Grimmwoldds That makes sense, though I definitely don't think it's the only reason. One issue was just that an additional 4GB of vram wouldn't have meaningfully helped the 4070's benchmark scores in reviews at the launch of the card, or even for the first year or so after release, and I think they also reasoned that because of DLSS, the card doesn't need as much vram. Obviously it's also about cost/ margins, and it also seems likely that they don't care about making the cards more future proof for games released more than two years after the card is first released, but it's those 3rd to 6th years where the extra vram is most likely to come in handy for higher quality textures and whatnot.
Gotta love how the $600 usd 4070 has the same msrp in Australia as the $700 usd 3080 10gb despite our exchange rates actually being slightly better now compared to back then.
In Hogwarts Legacy at 4K it's not the 12GB frame buffer that is limiting performance on the 4070 Class GPUs, just look at the 4060 Ti 8GB vs 4060 Ti 16GB results. It's obviously the memory bandwidth that is keeping all the 4070 class GPUs so close together as the memory subsystem is identical on all 3 variants
Yea a lot of times, in certain games, the GPUs like to reserve/allocate as much VRAM as possible just in case but don't actually fully utilize them all. People are worried for nothing and youtubers make it seem much worse than it is. Sure, having more VRAM is better but 12 is still pretty good in 2024. If you are not a professional who actually need as much VRAM as possible, then 12gb is still fine for gaming at 1440p and even 4k (if the gpu has enough raw power ) ; 16gb is optimal but having 16gb without actual horsepower is a little bit of a waste, unless you also need to do professional work on a very tight budget. Heck just a couple of years ago, most hardcore gamers were thrilled to hit a steady 60fps in games, the golden number lol Consoles play around 30fps-45fps most of the time.
NO, actually take a look at the 10GB 3080 at 4K, its exactly where you would expect it to be and in fact has better 1% lows, so no its probably not a VRAM issue he got it wrong.
@@tilapiadave3234 Not really daft. NVidia has shit the bed for years now in terms of value. They simply don't value the gamer market, Jensen lying doesn't change that. They loved miners. Now they love AI. They demand their arm and leg.
@@tilapiadave3234it's not. You have to account for inflation. So it is the same value. 500 back then is 600 today. The stock market was up 25% last year. It's why I just buy Nvidia stock instead of the gpu. Way better returns. An Nvidia gpu is fun for today. Nvidia stock is fun forever.
@@Grimmwolddsthis is false. Because of Nvidia didn't offer value, they wouldn't sell gpus. They're the top gpu provider for a reason. You guys buy it. I stopped doing your stupid cope a long time ago. I just buy Nvidia stock. I can afford anything I want thanks to Jensen. Unlike you, I pick up overpowered weapons when I find them.
Hey Steve here's some change to buy some Strepsils. Great review as always, really come to appreciate the comprehensive test results and hard work you guys put into these things.
@@axelgorris9530 then just get it elsewhere, caseking from germany sends out to belgium and netherlands and 20 other countries, and the 4070S costs 659€ including tax here. 15€ of transportation fee and ur good to go
The 12GB vram capacity is likely to affect the longevity of the card, and there's only about a year before the next generation cards come out, and apparently less than a year before Intel releases its new cards. Vram costs these big companies less than $4 per gigabyte, and we've obviously seen a bunch of much cheaper cards with 16GB. Considering that Intel already has the cheapest 16GB card on the market, it seems reasonable to expect them to put 16GB on at least one new card which should be able to compete with the likes of the 7800 XT and the RTX 4070 / 4070S. 600 USD was already a lot to pay for a graphics card with 12GB of vram in 2023, and now it's 2024.
Your ram quote is wrong. _Slow_ gddr6 is around $4-$5/gb, but not gddr6x. It's around $7-$8 as well as ram prices have increased since last year. The problem is they didn't change the memory subsystem so it wouldn't just be a $30 increase to give you 16gb. It would need a redesigned die. This is why the 4070ti super is moving to the 4080's die to give you 16gb of gddr6x.
I'm completely ignorant on the economics of adding RAM to GPUs, expect for the part where I paid for my 7000 series AMD. Any good places to start reading, especially on the part where they need to redesign a die to get more RAM in? I've seen some people soldering more RAM onto a GPU and the result is just unworkable jank @@zodwraith5745
Hold out for intel. The ARC drivers have seen massive improvements and all signs point to Intel fabbing their new generation on TSMC's 5/4nm node that the RTX 4000 Series is made on. Based on synthetics of the new intel cores tested in their iGPU's people are estimating close to RTX 4080 performance out of a very small and efficient GPU die on TSMC. The only Unknown is whether or not they will use GDDR7. If its a GDDR7 card they will have 24gb of VRAM and more bandwidth than the RTX 4090 which means the Performance might even pass the 4080 by quite a bit at 4K just due to the massive bandwidth advantage. Or they can cut the GDDR7 down to 192-bit with 18gb of VRAM and give you identical or slightly better performance than a 4080 for very cheap. This year the only thing anyone should be doing is waiting for intel.
I bought one of these last weekend. Never spent so much on a card before. Kind of an impulse buy but I have a bonus coming so I figured, why the hell not? The difference between my previous RTX 3060 and this card is really quite staggering. The 3060 stuttered quite a bit with ray tracing in Witcher 3, now its buttery smooth even with quality settings and hairworks turned on. Feels like I finally have something truly modern, which is nice because I know it won't last lol
Thank you so much for including 2070 Super! Still, if I would have to buy this gen, I wouldn't want to upgrade 8GB VRAM GPU to 12 GB VRAM GPU. And if I couldn't get a budget for 16 GB GPU, I would first consider cheapest 4070 and think hard if I need extra few frames from Super, especially on WQHD or higher.
I found a 2070 super in early 2020 for 189dlls at a local best buy and its probably the best price for performance ive found in a while, i even bought a second one for a friend that was still running a 960 on his pc.
We're getting like 10% more performance than a 3080(even less at 4k!) for $100 less after more than THREE YEARS. We've gone from 'despicable' pricing and value to just 'terrible'. There's nothing to cheer for here.
That 6950XT I just picked up for $549.99 at Micro Center for somebody’s build sure seems like a hell of a deal. Insane price/performance with the 7800X3D/Gigabyte Gaming X B650/32GB G.Skill DDR5 6000 $500 Bundle. Hell of a pairing for $1,049.99.
@@bigbadslimee Every PC today has worse efficiency compared to the future, only idiots wait forever but no amount of waiting will grow you another 33% more Vram.
I am going to have to pass on 12 GB cards that are $600. I am already hitting 12 Gb vram usage in areas of games I play w/o raytracing. If it had 16GB of vram I probably scoop it up but I can’t justify spending that much for a card already obsolete when it comes to vram and my performance absolutely tanks hard when vram is overrun.
I have no idea what games you play that maximize 12gb without ray tracing. Also do you play at native 4k without dlss? Overall, I don’t think 4070s is 4k card, it’s definitely capable with compromises, but it’s really 2k card.
I totally agree, I can't buy a card with less than 16GB of VRAM anymore, I'm very interested to see how the 4070TI Super 16GB does in Benchmarks. If it comes anywhere near the 4080 for $799 I'm going to be very excited
Thanks for taking the time and effort to build a proper testing suite, with a test bench on a 7800X3D to make sure the GPUs aren't ever bottlenecked. This is proper top tier work.
It's great to see how far the 7900XT has come in these benchmarks. Not long after launch, it was maybe 3% faster on average. Now it's closer to 10-12%, and that's before unlocking the power limit and undervolting. I'm so glad we have proper competition in the market again, as well as competitive pricing. My 7900XT clocks to 2.85Ghz-2.95Ghz, and sits within maybe 5% of the 4080.
4070ti super is likely going to match or beat the 7900xt for around the same price. AMD is going to have to cut prices to keep it competitive. They already know that if price/performance is the same, no one is buying AMD.
@@DanNBM1 I’m surprised NVIDIA didn’t get called out more for that in these reviews. My launch 3080 was about the same price and very close performance wise.
@@DanNBM1 Not "almost identical " as going by the 1440p average which is the intended resolution for this card, the 4070 super leads the 3080 10gb by ~12 percent and on par with the 3090. Only at 4k, the performance of the 4070 super falls between the 3080 and the 3090.
Man I wish my 4070 has the same performance as the Super Variant. The 4070 should have released at $499 and the Super variant.. kinda.. justifies it as it’s in the middle of a 3080 Ti and a 3090 when it comes to performance. Which are both expensive cards especially when they first launched
3080Ti and 3090 were poor value GPU's. Using those as a basis for comparison to justify current prices, especially for a more-than-three-year-old architecture is not a good idea.
@@GewelReal If I were to upgrade I would rather get the 4070 Ti Super. But currently I am still okay with my 4070. As well as I am trying to save money for a Vacation trip this year anyways 😅
got one SH for $350 with 1year and a half warranty. First amg gpu for me, replaced my 2070 super, so far it's been twice the frame gains lol! 5600x CPU
I'm happy with my 7800 XT Red Devil. But to be fair, Ray Tracing isn't in enough games that I personally care about to bother using it. Plus the 7800 XT has good performance at 1440p. But i will admit the 4070 Super is more impressive than I thought it would be. But I can't help but feel like this is what the 4070 really should have been when it launched.
Same here I have the red devil and to be honest the 4070 Super is a bit disappointing but if it was in the market I think I would buy it instead not if I'm saying the 7800xt is bad but for a 40$ more you get a faster card with dlss and good rt i think I'm going to wait 2 more gen than I'll upgrade
Unrelated, but i feel like 7800xt vs 6800xt is an awful gen on gen improvement, and I feel like amd screwed up big time with the 7700xt and 7800xt. Could have shook up the market.
@richshrimp7680 the 7800 xt vs 6800 is ok. They shot them self with the XT part. The 7700 xt just need to slash a 50$ out of MSRP and it would sell like crazy.
I just want to check: are you guys OK to show the AIB partner cards considering the embargo for reviewing them is tomorrow? I know you aren't technically 'reviewing' them, just showing the temperature and noise levels, but I just wanna bring it up so you guys can make the video hidden until tomorrow if you think it might be an issue. Thanks for the review btw, I'm probably gonna pick up a 4070 super tomorrow to finally upgrade my 1070, so this was really helpful to see what framerates I will should expect (I've got the same CPU and similar DDR5-6000 RAM)
Same, I have the Founder's Edition, which I got for $630 with a Best Buy discount 3 years ago. I mean I was insanely lucky, but everyone was supposed to be able to buy one for around $700 and the 40 series is very mediocre when viewed in that light.
Yeah I was able to flash a modded bios onto my card and run it at 450w. So I was able to get a +250 clock and 1,000 on memory and benchmark wise it's actually on par or faster than the 4070 super in these reviews in most of those games. Some games do run much better on the 4 series though, Alan wake 2 being one of them.
This is sad. At 4k it's pretty much the same as my RTX 3080. Waiting 3 years to get the same performance for $100 less doesn't seem like a good deal to me. Also, I anticipate the 12gb of vram is likely going to be a problem sooner than it took for the 10gb on my 3080.
If it's not really a 4K card then It's not really worth the price. Why would you spend that much money and not even get a 4K card out of the deal. @@nossy232323
if you're buying a 70 series for 4K than you are buying the wrong card. It does 1440p really well and I doubt see the 12 gigs becoming a issue for a good 4 years tbh at which point I'll be ready to upgrade anyways
These prices are just sad. I really want one, but at the price of an entire console I cant anymore. Save us AMD! Or Intel. Nvidia aint doing it anymore :(
Amd ain't gonna do it anytime soon😂 They're happy just following whatever nvidia do butt to butt. And we're gonna have to wait a few more years or decades before intel can realistically catch up, so for now we're absolutely fucked in the butt😂
Impressive raw performed . Inadequate vram. The 7800xt is nearly matching at high res and that will only get worse for nvidia in the future. But I AM very excited for the 4070ti super. My take: get the 7800xt at this lower price bracket, or save up a little bit and jump to the 4070ti super
My take: basicly as above, but with the proviso of wait out another year if you can. I have no expectations for Battlemage at the high end, but it could lead to more competition in the sub $500 range, and this _should_ be a $350-400 card.
@beau-urns6243: Absolutely on the nail. 4070 Ti Super will be a cracker, maybe the pick of the whole 4000 series? 4070S is too limited by old architecture & low vram to be a sensible buy for the longer term. 7800XT will OC to a surprising level, if you get a good triple version - great value. RT doesn't really enter the room unless you like to play by yourself, and at low fps, which I don't.
just bought a 4070 Super to replace my 3060Ti. Price has just come down to $AUS 999 so decided to grab one. Should be a nice jump up from the 3060Ti, which is getting a bit long in the tooth now.
I personally liking how you includes the cooling performance for each card in that particular way, instead of just using charts. That gives me more insights of each card behaviour. I know it's hard to do for every cards out there, but if that's possible that would be awesome. If there's too many, using split screen displaying each status from different cards on one screen simultaneously would be easier to compare, maybe three cards at a time. So you can highlight each box for each card while talking about them one by one while it's all running in one screen.
I've never been this early for any video lol. Really interested in the 4070Ti Super review since it is the only 70 class product from Nvidia this gen with a 256 bit bus.
@@DragonOfTheMortalKombat Techpowerup already lists it as being 2% slower overall than the 7900 XT in their relative performance chart, so essentially on par. Obviously nvidia is much faster at RT but in raster, the 7900 XT is really strong with more vram and bandwidth.
Spending $1500 for a GPU is still crazy. Pretty much any other series, Nvidia would have released a part that performs near enough to a 4090 for way less money. But they've gotten extremely greedy, and thanks to people like you it's working out great for them. Not so much for us.
@@maynardburger Sadly you gotta pay to play....you also need to think of the future when you spend that money on the card. I don't expect to upgrade it any time soon. It will perform very well for many years to come unlike those spending for lesser cards right now. Hell look at the 10gb 3080, its pretty DOA now because 10gb of ram is becoming a limiting factor. those cards are only like what 2 years old??
This actually made me a bit more optimistic about the 4070 ti super. I was aiming for a 7900xt to finish up my 7800x3d build, but depending on how things go next week, I might reconsider
unless you are going for native 4k(more vram), there is no point in getting the 7900. 4070 ti super is gonna be stronger even in raster, eat less power and have DLSS, FG, reflex, nvenc etc at similar pricepoint
@@GloriousStoneNvidia is limiting supply of the 4070Ti Super to raise the street price above $900. Is 4070Ti Super = 7900XTX? You would have to like RT & DLSS a lot.😂
I'm also really exicted for the 4070TI Super, a 16GB Nvdia 4000 Series Card for $799? Absolute yes for me. I can buy anything under 16GB anymore seeing the VRAM limitations even at 1440p with 12 GBs.
Hi Steve! You are misusing the term "Junction temperature" at 17:50 . Usually hot spot and junction both means maximum temperature inside a chip, and the simple GPU temperature could be called average or edge temp.
I quit trying to stay up with these new graphics cards, I just sold my RTX 4070 ti and my RX 7900 XTX and downgraded to a 50 dollars RX 580 and a 90 dollar Vega 64 and went back to 1080p Gaming and perfectly happy with the performance. The RX 580 and Vega 64 play just about every game I typically play with no issues at all. I also went back to Windows 10.
This just seems like a classic "3 steps forward, 1 step back" move from Nvidia. They are still selling what's basically a 60 Ti at a 50% price hike compared to previous gen -- and that's assuming the MSRP of 600 stays true. I'm not impressed, but maybe I'm just too jaded at this point.
And that's why retailers have been saying nobody is buying them. The people who are ok with being ripped off already bought their 40 series cards, the rest of us haven't been tempted by the last scam, and aren't going to suddenly fall for this one. Sure, if they come out with a 4090 super, some of the shit-for-brains whales will buy some of those, but the rest of the lineup is DOA. £500-600 is a LOT of money. GPUs depreciate in value rapidly, so the only 'investment' quality is the graphical fidelity/performance/efficiency/VRAM and how long you'll be able to make it last. If ANY of those is already subpar today, it will be even worse in the near future, and you will have pissed away your money only to need to repeat the process not long after. Now that probably sounds fine to the mentally challenged, but the rest of us aren't biting. I could buy a bunch of 4090s if I wanted to, but it's the fucking principle. Fuck nVidia, I'll keep my cash until they come out with a palatable deal. This second hand 1080 will do just fine for now.
@@Lord_of_Dread at least in my area, 4080s and 4090s are always out of stock. microcenter constantly restocking and they've even increased the price of their 4090s.
I went with an all white high end build with the gigabyte aero oc 4090/ 7800x3d/ 64 gigs of ddr5 ram in the white phanteks nv7. The pc is a beast and I keep it clean which as a matter of fact I will clean it later this week.
I have an all white build Asus Strix 4090 and a I9 14900k with 96gbs of DDR5 ram. The second system is an all black build with a 7800x3d and a 3080 12gb with 32gbs of DDR5 ram.
Nice review. RTX 4070 super is amazing GPU,it's expensive but this kind of market we have today. 12gb of ram is more then enough for 1080p or 1440p gaming,and card is not designed with 4k gaming on mind,so stop complaining. If you want 4k go for rtx 4080 and above. Only thing that is kinda broken is putting 35 tflops 600$ plus GPU in a mid range,but it is what it is.
Thanks for the review. Sad how much the cards are costing these days. Also, not sure where you're getting your Newegg prices from. I'm seeing 4 7900XTs @ $730 ($710 w/ promo). Did it drop $50 in a few hours?
You know looking at those raytracing results the 7900XT is surprisingly close to the 4070ti which if I follow forums posts I'd be convinced it was significantly worse
Bro it's always like that. Nvidia dudes love to talk about ray tracing is only for Nvidia cards when they are not much better than amds, they require frame generation to have a good experience.
@@beamed7770 exactly my point. Upscalers and frame generation are needed. Only thing AMD is lacking is frame generation to have a good experience with heavy ray tracing games. Dlss might be better than fsr, but people act as if there aren't any alternative. In some games xess go blow for blow with dlss.
to even higher, amd card overclocks more than the nvidia counterpart ( at least according to techpower up the 4070 s can get up to 8% extra performance only, meanwhile the 7800 xt can squize up to 15%).... and is important because is still 100dls cheaper and you can get same raster performance (or better) with 16gb while paying less, both overclocked to max get same performance in timsespy. 69/70fps wich is the exact same performance 4070ti stock gets, is it worth it? IDK.
I’m looking to build a pc within the next two weeks and micro center has a couple 12gb 4070 supers for 600-630. Never built a pc so I’m nervous I’ll buy the wrong thing. What should I watch out for? Idk anything about amd. Should I go with them? Any opinions would greatly help. Ty.
Also these reviews are getting better and better! Can’t wait on the 4080 super reviws when the card comes out. I would be interested in a bigger comparison between AIB cards as I didn’t get a great one for my 2070 super. Though I know these cards aren’t free and definitely not cheap either :)
since the 3000 series, the difference between brands is kinda dead as Nvidia made their reference cards too good for the partners to skimp out on theirs. This is part of why EVGA dropped: not because they made bad cards, at all, but because Nvidia was getting so aggressive the already minimal gains for partners were becoming not enough, as Nvidia also banned partners from experimenting. Right now pretty much all brands are properly cooled, you only need to watch out for exotic cards like the 3090 with its backside RAM chips which were missed when designing cooling by some partners.
@@Galf506 Ah that's very good to know. I have to temp limit my 2070 super 6 deg lower to prevent the hotspot going over the maximum, causing the fans to spin to 3000 rpm cosplaying a jet engine. hopefully the 4080 super won't have that problem. Though prob a bit louder on average duo to the higher TDP. Might be wrong on that
@@Galf506They cool well enough, but my mid-tier 3080 12GB (EVGA XC3) is notably hotter and louder than my high-end 1080Ti (Asus Strix). 3080 might just be a hotter chip sure, but I wish I had sprung for a model with a beefier cooler.
@@Malus1531 I think it's just because the Strix is really overkill cooled, but my Asus TUF OC is very silent too and I just threw +125 core +1000 memory and it took it like a champ
TLDW: To put the 4070 Super's performance and value into perspective, Nvidia is offering 10% faster than 3080 10GB performance for $600 three years later... It's really what should still be the 4060 Ti mid range at $450-500 max.
Nice video as always! Might I suggest putting the noise/temp comparisons in chart form at the end? I found myself skipping back and forth to compare the temps/noise of the various models.
@@deljohn There was not a single gen in history of gpu where upgrading from 80 tier class to 70 class next gen was worth it... Stop dreaming and wake up
The fact that this card still only has 12 GB of VRAM automatically disqualifies it for me as a potential upgrade. I'm looking to still have a decent gaming experience at 1440p in 4-5 years, not a stuttering mess that constantly runs out of VRAM.
unless you are a native purist that doesn't use DLSS for some bizzare reason, you will be fine with 12, till the next generation of consoles. People blow the vram drama way out of proportion becouse of 3000 series.
Wrong, when you look at hardware and box other videos on vram issues along with Jay's two cents and gamer Nexus, you'll see that 12 gigs of vram will last you another two to three years, four of your lucky. 16 is where you ought to be, and we should have had 16 gigs of vram 8 years ago. Well most people are turning settings down because they're hitting their vram buffer I'm able to play my games perfectly fine on Max settings. Just so you know I went from a GTX 1080 8 gigs of vram that lasted me 8 years to a Radeon 7900 XT 20 gigs of vram. That's 12 more gigs of vram, I went from a 256 bit bus lane to a 320, and I want from gddr5 to gddr6 memory type. My 1080 was $600 MSRP my my 7900 XT was $900, that's a $300 difference. I would advise anyone reading this to get at least bare minimum 16GB you'll thank me later.
@@DraconianEssence Did you even read my comment? "unless you are a native purist". Both of those channels do those tests at native res, which is basically obsolete these days - the upscalers are so good. In 95% of cases, there is no reason not to use DLSS Quality at 1440p(which is 960p internal). 12gbs is totally fine for 960p.
Lmao "obsolete" raw performance will ALWAYS be a the way to go, AKA rasterization. Which by the way game developers have been doing way longer than all this new age bull crap dlss crap. I always choose raw performance over some shiny thing. Again people are free to do whatever they want, however people on 10 to 12 gigs of RAM will have to turn settings down in 2 to 3 years. I however will not, so unless people like being stupid and shelling out $600 every 3 years to Nvidia, I think it's safe to say people who have a brain would rather spend $700 on a card that will last them eight plus years then every two to three years. Obsolete, what a joke. Not to mention Ray tracing/dlss isn't in many games nowadays and even if it is you have to have at least a decent PC to even run the damn thing.
I can argue with the pricing. It's still too high. Just because you're getting less ripped off doesn't mean your not getting ripped off. It's like thanking a mugger for leaving you $5 after taking your wallet. 1070ti was 400 and the 2070 super 500 and the 4070 super is now 600.
I kinda agree with the point that mid range cards are getting more expensive, but the tech is getting better and therefore also more expensive. This combined with inflation and their only opponent beeing AMD, there is not much we, the consumer, can do about it. I personally just sell my old 3060 for about 280 $ (I already have a buyer) and therefore the new cards costs me around 400 $ which is a good deal
Inflation exist. $500 in 2019 had the same buying power $600 has now. You are complaining that the company doesnt want to sell its products for less then before.
@@GloriousStonebruh, the dies are a solid tier or half below what they're being sold as. If $600 is the new $500, how do you feel about $800 being the new $600 (3070ti was always a bad buy and just to shift pricing during the shortage shitshow). Do you love $1200 ($1000 now) being the new $700? Inflation is different for each industry, don't apply the average as a blanket across everything.
Whether we like it or not, pricing is not just a product on inflation or Nvidia being greedy. GPUs do more things than just gaming now, and as such their value has increased in the marketplace.
All data has been updated for this video? All those graphics cards? My goodness that must have taken days or even weeks to do. That is quite incredible, and I as a viewer greatly appreciate the effort.
RX 6950 XT is still viable choice if you can get it $600, currently seems only one model is available. Also 7900 XT has dropped to $710, which is competitive. Anyways finally a NViDiA GPU that's not horrible in terms of value.
Make no mistake, this is still terrible value, it's just a little better than the og 4070 which was very bad value only made to look acceptable because of how bad the rest of the lineup were
I caved last year and got a 6950XT as I was getting issues with my 1060 6GB... there was no way in hell I was buying NVidia again after the way they've been behaving over the last 5 years... that said here's hoping intel knocks it out of the park with battlemage. I'd love for competition to drive prices back to a more reasonable ~50% of what they are now. This should be a $350 card, and nobody should be actively celebrating improved cost per frame as something exceptional.
@@mohyari3075 ha? In these very charts the 6950xt is absolutey trampling over the 4070. And with FSR 3 now a thing, I'd rather have the 6950xt, and it's delicious Vram too. The og 4070 isn't even close to as powerful as the 6950xt pal, but nice try. Turn down your textures ;)
rx 6950 xt i knew this card is gonna be relevant for times to comes , despite every youtuber scaring people with that 500 watt power usage , may gpu just use like 212 watt at peak usage with small 100 mhz underclock , rdna 2 are very efficient cards , it is only when you overclock so much that their power to performance goes to shit.
@@TotallySlapdash fuck nvidia , every time i am in market to buy a new gpu nvidia is always causing controversy for wrong reasons , either their drivers causing problems , or their new connectors are burning gpus , or nvidia is limiting vram or overcharging customer by 100 dollars vs competition and then saying look people are buying so we must be right, i just bought rx 6950xt , underclock it 100hz , gpu using just 212 watt power and couldnt be more happier.
One thig that bears pointing out is the 4070 Super is a 2-slot design whereas the Ti Super will be 3-slot. While some, including myself, might prefer the higher spec'd Ti Super this is an important consideration. After 4 A770 builds last year, I'm amassing parts for an intended Batllemage build but now rumor has it that it will be cut back to 12GB/192 bus. :( Wait to see if this pans out and possibly miss out on a Founder's Edition or just go with the Nvidia now? Of course, I'll kick myself if I get the 4070 Super and then it turns out the rumor is wrong.
I've been researching alot as in my opinion 4070 class cards are the sweet spot for mini ITX builds when considering the performance you get for lesser size/heat/power consumption. i found out that there are actually 2 slot 4070 Ti Super cards coming out, specifically most of the offerings from Inno3D. There are also 2.5 slot designs of the Ti Super too from MSI with both dual fan and triple fan designs (Ventus 2x/3x & Gaming Slim/X Slim) and a short length (< 300mm) triple fan 2.5 slot one from Gigabyte (Windforce)
I think you always set yourself up for disappointment if you're dead-set on a product that hasn't even come out yet, much less been reviewed. I wouldn't hold out for Battlemage, personally.
I could be wrong, but the 4070 ti super(stupid name) is a different calibre of card to the 4070 super and the 4070ti it is a much bigger card being that it is a crippled 4080.
I could be wrong, but the 4070 ti super(stupid name) is a different calibre of card to the 4070 super and the 4070ti it is a much bigger card being that it is a crippled 4080.
Should I get rtx 4070 Founders edition or should I get Zotac rtx 4070 super 2 fan......these versions are in my budget.....what should I get please suggest me.....I would have chosen the Super but I'm worried about 2 fan
Its weird you say the EAGLE OC Gigabyte variant was one of the worst performers in your 4070 Round Up when it was pretty much in the middle or most of the times in the top 3 performers. The 4070 Dual OC was all over the place in the 4070 round up. sometimes it was at the top, sometimes it was pretty much second to last. Noise Normalized Mem temp was miles better with higher frequencys and lower temps for the 4070 eagle oc for example. GPU Hot Spot NN temps were not far behind the Dual OC in the test (4 degrees) but the Eagle OC was also running at a higher frequency. (granted the fan speed was higher) and in other times when it was slightly behind these models you still said that the card performed very well. I would argue the lower Memory Temperatures of the Gigabyte Card allows it to run at higher frequencys then the Dual version from asus, but the higher hot spot temps are the tradeoff you get of course this all depends on the system its running in etc etc. but alot of the times, you pretty much cant go wrong with choosing either card, depending on what they cost for you I would really be interested in a 4070 Super Round Up
6 months later but I also came to the same conclusion. I'm not sure what Steve is talking about when his own benchmark suggests the eagle series has been good. Maybe his unit was defective?
@@DavidFregoliRTX 50 series is over a year away. I wouldn't call 2025 early. On top of 2024 being the year of OLED, we might see people wanting to upgrade sooner than usual
Thank you for the review! I'm hoping to hear good things for the 4070 ti Super as well. I was saving up for the longest time to get a 7900 xt, but now may pick up the 70 ti Super instead.
Same man, and really does have to bring the 7900xt down to 600-700 usd to be even competitive, seeing how fsr3 fell on deaf ears and isn't all it was made up to be
@@anodyneliniment2326 I think AMD will keep the 7900 XT where it is because it still has the VRAM advantage, although not by much now considering the 16GBs of the 4070Ti Super but i guess we will see.
Rly wondering which card to pick up. Coming from a 3070 @1440p I'm looking to get a 4070 Super or 4070Ti Super. I kinda think the Ti will be a better choice due to more VRAM and a tad more performance, I fear that price wise it doesn't make sense for a "in between" generation
Price drops for AMD cards should certainly be coming. This is a fairly good upgrade for the price, it just makes me that much more suspicious Nvidia will stifle availability until they increase the real-world price up to $700+.
@@chronometer9931 this is true, as I’ve looked on it on paper the argument for Nvidia doesn’t get THAT much more compelling. Just a little bit. The small incremental changes AMD has been doing will probably be “enough” in their eyes. Still, a little inching down is better than none.
I can't be happier with my decission of getting a RX6800. It's simply perfect for my 1440p monitor. I can wait for the next Radeon gen no problems, maybe even a bit longer
@@Frygiskthat's unfortunate i can repeatably buy them second hand in us for around 380-420 3060 ti's can be found for 200-250 as well used market here is pretty nice
@@-Noble3080 ti in netherlands used 700-800€. And theyre selling . Might as well buy the oveprriced rtx 4k . I guess the prices are this high because people bought them in covid times for 1300+ Edit: regulier 3080 like asus tuf start at 600
Still hard pass atleast in EU , here 7800xt is around 550-600 euro, and 4070s will be around 630-700 and thats if they match the current 4070 price. But we know 4070s will be around 700 euro at start. For 10% more performance not worth 25% more money. My country price 7800xt 6.34 euro per frame, 7.57 for 4070, 6.83 euro for 4070s. Still nice refresh from Nvidia. If amd drop prices to 500 euro GL to that 4070s
Other than America, the rest of the world is a price trash can. Vendors and retailers love america due to much lower overall taxation, which results in way more profit. EU, South America and some Asian countries are well known for having huge overall taxation which results in less sales and less profit
Same bought a 7800 XT and a day later the 4070 Super and Ti Super got announced. Still can return mine but seeing the 4070 super pricing today here is between 690 and 780 hell no.. I paid 575 and thought that was more than plenty.
One day, one day RU-vid will finally get your channel's name right in the closed captions. 😂😂 Outstanding effort as usual. HUB for the review, GN for the teardown is what I always do for these releases.
Thanks Steve for a great SUPER update with SUPER voice! Just checked updated UK pricing direct for reference cards including P&P based on 1440 cost per frame 7800xt-£483.78+12.37pso=£5.33/frame 4070S-£579+5.48post=£5.57/frame 4070-£529+5.48post=£6.07/frame ... there I was thinking I'll swap my RX580 Devil for a 4070 to see what Ray is all about and to add some frame gen on flight sim but NOOO ... team green are trying to lure more money out my pocket for the Super! What do I do ... help me Obi-Steve, you're my only hope!!
Saying that the "4070 Super is a no brainer" only seconds apart from "16GB VRAM in this price point is the bare minimum" seems quite odd, doesn't it? In 2 years you'll make a video about 4070/S/Ti VRAM issues and how Nvidia is greedy, while you clearly recommended the card. Same as you did with the 3070... Anyway it's already barely making it with the VRAM, unlike 3070 at that time, so this will come even sooner than 2 years.
Some people will tell you "inflation" like they are expert on economics and then you realize the 400$ 1070 from 2016 should be adjusted for inflation a 507$ card. And Nvidia already priced the 70 class cards at 500$ back in 2018
In principle if Intel got their GPU act together further discounts might be possible. But it's not clear intel will even continue to make desktop GPUs and of course their performance and drivers need to get better
Still, here in Sweden the listings for 4070S is ”limited” to some cards for 700 euro, the rest is 750-800 euro. Meanwhile the 7800 XT slips into 600 euro range making Nvidia hard to justify. That’s almost shift to 7800x3D instead of 7600 price difference for one like me building from scratch. For the first time, maaaybe I’ll snatch the FE card, looks nice blacked out!
I’d like to see the 3060 8gb and 12gb included in future tests to prove the point that the memory bus actually makes a difference. If Nvidia made a 4060ti super with a 356 but bus, we might see almost 4070 level of performance and it would be a good product if it came in at $400-450.
Are you aware that those 12Gb cards are actually nearly 25% SLOWER than the 8GB versions? At least compared to 3060 Ti versions, which all have 8GB of ram!
356 bit bus ? Wtf is that ? Also 4060 Ti super will not get it because 256 bit bus will require high end gpu die. Best it'll get 12 gb vram and 192 bit bus.
At a certain point, you're right that the bus can be a limiting factor. But it's down to how the gpu architecture is designed, so not really something that can changed economically. The 192 bus does seem to limit the 4070 S and the original 4070 Ti, but these are both now old-tech, and Nvidia pinched their pennies too hard with them to let them have long lives. I can't honestly see that any of the 4000 Nvidia cards have been a genuinely good deal for anyone, other than Nvidia. Good maybe, but not at all good value.
Too little too late in my opinion. If I wanted a gpu with 12gb vram, I would've picked up the 6700xt at $330usd.No wait, I did already. If I were to drop 500+ on a 12gb vram card, I'm bound to upgrade within 2 yrs, in 2 years time, would 1440p ultra shader details fit into 12gb vram? I think not.
The reason the 4070 TI looks so much better in Ray tracing is probably due to the power limit since Ray tracing is going to push the power limit on the card. that extra 65 Watts it has really helps.
Raytracing has relatively no impact on power usage, that is a complete myth. This is blatantly obvious with the 4070 being extremely close to the Super when raytracing is enabled, yet the 4070 having a 25W *lower* TDP. The 4070Ti performs better because it has more cores, it's that simple.
@@furieux6742 and I can call my own b******* man I have a 3080 and I can definitely tell you that Ray tracing is one of the higher power load things it does. I have control as well and it can definitely max out my power limit even with an EVGA 3080 FTW with the power slider moved all the way to the right
@@awebuser5914 that's a load of crap man I can easily tell you the highest power load situations I've ever put my 30 80 under r in regards to Ray tracing quake RTX is almost like a power virus in terms of how much it sucks down power when I try running it. I'm sure that when third-party models come out with higher power limits that are very close to a 4070 TI the 4070 super will basically be within spitting distance where it was behind in these benchmarks
Love the unbiased and detailed look into what gives the GPU value. Too many times have I seen creators endorsing AMD's 7800xt because it has more frames (false) and VRAM (true) for less money without taking into account all that NVIDIA's 4070 Super has to offer. The difference in power consumption alone will equal the extra cost eventually. Given enough time, you'll actually be saving money. Besides, there's no denying the 4070 Super just has better performance than the 7800XT, raytracing or not. Temps are also something to consider for the longevity of parts, especially in smaller builds. Both cards offer good value, but if you're willing to pay a little more, the 4070 Super is what I'd go for.
@@mjn5016It takes a lot less power. On the other hand when I was calculating my yearly cost (before the purchase) and compared it to standard 4070 it gave me around 15 USD per year diff so ... 😂
