IMO this is the best performance I've seen for Jinjo. Ironic cuz Wing isn't here. Hong10 definitely allowed Jinjo to pull off more stuff. That sidechair routine was sick...
True, Nobody else can do his sets, but think about like this. how often do you see him do the same combos? example every time you see him jackhammer whats going to follow? either airflares of flares. Originality is about bringing something new and fresh to the table not just repeating the same moves you been doing for years...
Gamblers were getting a lot of 1's for foundation. That felt right seeing as Sick and The End weren't doing foundation. However that bugs me as I remembered how last year during the R16 solos BBoys like Taisuke did just as little foundation and was getting 3s. I also have a question. Are the points given out on amount or quality? Strictly speaking a routine could attain high points and the solo following the routine would just waste moves and do nothing to little to improve the points.
A practitioner of this dance is called a b-boy, b-girl, or breaker. Although the term "breakdance" is frequently used to refer to the dance, "b-boying" and "breaking" are the original terms. These terms are preferred by the majority of the pioneers and most notable practitioners
Yeah that's fine. I always have respected the old school and I love it. I have always thought that we have to be gratefull with them, because now that the new generation we have is because they worked hard in their moment(I have been actually dancing for 7 years old). But the question is that everything changes, time change things I'm still thinking is not a fair system at all.
6:03 Bboy The End's set got 2 for ORIGINALITY!!! R U KIDDING ME? Nobody in the whole phaqin world can repeat his sets! How the phaq he gets only 2 out of 5 when he does the powermoves which he invented and nobody can repeat it?
Yes ofcourse it's taken into account. It's under the "Dynamics" Category. It is part of the 7 Dynamic qualities: Strength, Speed, Balance, Energy, Flexibility, Risk of Injury, and Complexity
You do realize this system is still incomplete? They are still working out all the kinks and bugs such that it may include any and all styles of the dance.
I kind of agree with you, but that also goes into the Battle category, theoretically. Some people suggested a 1-10 scale to more accurately reflect it, but I think that's a bit too high.
Points are given out by quality, not quantity. Yes a routine could attain high points, and the following solo can waste moves or do nothing to improve the score. Same can be said vice versa with a good solo can score high, and a following routine can actually bring it down
Of course Blue did a great job. I just think that sometimes when someone maxes out a category or two, the judging system doesn't leave any room for the opposing crew to top it in the response. That could be changed if crews were given scores relative to each other. For instance, the Gamblerz routine at 6:50 earned a 5 in dynamics, but one could argue that Jinjo's response was even more dynamic. However, there is no way for the scoring system to reflect that. O.U.R. is still great. Keep it up!
a lot of these comments have circulated around lil jon's judging, and some of the questionable calls he made that night. This is great. It proves the OUR system works, because it allows u to pick out one judge and see what he chose each round and allows us to examine whether his assessment was accurate. Regardless of whether lil jon made the right calls that night, the OUR system gives us the power to see who is capable of judging and who isnt.
Execution needs to have these 4 components distinguishable executed: 1. Complete confidence 2. A rhythm (weather power, style or tricks) 3. Clean form (style and power, no scrapes or stumbles) 4. Clean moves (no crashes must be sharp) All 4 must be executed from the beginning to the end of the ENTIRE round to score perfect
this system is good as long as the bboying is goin further in difficulties and styles...so we can judge the same powermove or footwork etc but takin notes to its precision and form
Bboying isn't even about only one aspect of the dance. It's about the bigger picture and in the past, battles were judged based on factors like technique and others. Foundation and every other part of the O.U.R. system reps each aspect of the dance. Although parts of the world may disagree, the system hasn't existed that long yet. There are still parts of the system that are viewed negatively upon, but hopefully some changes can be made on how exactly each part is judged.
I was wondering why Strife TV didn't put up videos, but I see that they are officially covering this event. From other vids I saw Mis Lee working the camera at this angle.
But still, The End seems to score way too low in de Originality category for what he does.. in the battle against L41, he did his insane threading power combination and only scored 3.
Well when you think about it in another way, there's not really a way to call powermoves themselves original because most have to be done with specific techniques. When you look at two people do a flare side by side, they're doing it the same way and you'd really only see very small differences. I'm not saying he's not original. Combos The End pulled can be considered individual to him because he does them better than others. But at the same time, isn't that why he scored a 5 in Dynamics?
What probably would be better is to set the maximum of points to 10. Reason for this is that for example many bboys can get an average/good score in dynamics (3/4) like Skim, however, The End gets a 5 with doing way more and higher level dynamics. The difference in points in only 1/2 while the difference in dynamics in their performance is greater. So in 10 points The End would have 10 points and the other 6 points, the difference of 4 points now seems more appropriate to the difference in skill
I'm amazed by The End's power as much as the next person, believe me. But let's say someone somewhere in the world managed to achieve let's say jackhammers to airflares and has never even heard of The End. He's not biting since he's never seen a single bit of The End's powerhead style. He's just doing the same combo. At the same time, he's able to do something that The End can do. So really, powermoves can only make a small impact on Originality. Like I said, there's a Dynamics section for that.
i think the old way of "3,2,1, point" would have sufficed, with big events like this, they get the best of the best to judge so that the audience and bboys watching the battle will know and trust the judges' decision.
powerheads can get dynamics, excecution and battle view and can do powermoves with musicality and confidence such as (flying buddha) and there are powermovers that are creative and original such as lil g, the end, funt....
i think your confusing it with dynamics and execution because dynamics is the difficulty of the move and execution is the cleanliness of it..he clearly got a 5 for dynamics and i believe he deserved at least a 4 for execution..but originality he got a 2 because he just did powermoves and sets that is mostly common and didnt add any variation to them such as a flare to cricket or airflare to munchmill because i see bboy chungabis or vicious victor do that all the time
-.- Blue and Storm are the only ones which seem like they're actually judging it seriously. 2 for execution in Skim's first set, and 3 for Hong 10's first set... when they were supposed to be high fours or fives.
Doesn't matter if its fucking incomplete if they are already applying it to important fucking battles. In this system Jinjo could wipe the floor with pretty much any on going crew as of now. They are the masters of being well rounded.
Sorry for the sort of late reply, but dynamics doesn't equate to power, although power has many aspects that relate to dynamics (in the scope of this system). Most everybody has a good chance of scoring high with this system provided that they have a well developed style, which is why I believe that this system can work. It's still a hell lot more fair than "This side won just because I feel like it." The results are clear and any injustice can easily be pointed out.
you dont NEED to be a well rounded bboy to do well with the system, just need a well rounded crew. Where a power head may lack in foundation, a style head can do well with foundation and have a weak point in dynamics. nothing wrong with the system, there are other competitions that judge a different way and nothing wrong with them either. Maybe it still needs more work on but i think it is fair enough.
there are too many questions about this scoring system too. This system can also have the beauty. but there are a number of difficulties for a bboy meet the requirements of this OUR system. I just speak my thoughts I can not have anything else. PEACE
now try again and watch his set from start and say me...does anybody in the whole world can do 1 elbow air tracks with his legs like that? Seriously! And how often did u seen this combo from him? I saw it 2nd time since its all new and fresh!
I like the our system but someone please explain to me how the end got really low points for originality. You don't see many people doing what he does. And Ionno if top b boys are willing to give this a try I think we should give it more time. And c'mon jinjo was probably going to win this battle even without the our system because gamblerz crashed a lot sadly =(...
Foundation is about 50% confidence (real bboy flavor and swagger) and secondly the approach to the music using one of the 3 original approaches. The Brooklyn approach, complete musicality (not just hitting one part of the song) The Bronx approach, sporradic unpredictable footwork and patters The Latin approach, with complete suave and finesse. These approaches need to be done WITH the bboy flavor of confidence with it, from the beginning to the end of the ENTIRE round.
Being well-rounded means you have mastered a certain level of every part of the dance, which is a good thing. That means Jinjo, being well-rounded, is better than Gamblerz, who focuses on power(one aspect of the dance). It's the same with style. If a bboy or crew only focuses on style, they'd lose to Jinjo as well, because they only focus on a certain aspect of the dance. Being a good bboy means having a good balance of both power, style, foundation, etc.
