@Siddharth Sriram Clone Wars show got me back into it plus what kind of dumb question are you even trying to ask lol of course people are interested in something that's apart of what they already like
@Siddharth Sriram I don't think I've seen a single person ever say they like the sequels lol literally everybody only has negative things to say about them. They made billions because it's Star Wars. Everybody hated them but still watched them. Couldn't tell you the exact reason why, probably just because people love Star Wars and maybe had hope they would be good.
I don't disagree. But I also smirk because at no point in the prequels was Anakin good on screen. He wasy always a drag. Whiny, pouty...outside of maybe Jar Jar, the worst scenes in each prequel movie revolved around anytime any version of Anakin spoke. yet...I really wanna see Vader and Obi-wan go balls out regardless of how it breaks the canon.
@Siddharth Sriram The late 90s are called "prequels" (fwiw). anyway, the prequels don't break the canon. they flesh-out the canon. the sequel "trilogy" (it's a trilogy in name only) doesn't even make coherent sense within itself, yet alone make sense with the movies that came before them. A lot of ppl still love them though. Star Wars is a lot like professional sports. Once a person is a committed fan, she/he tends to cheer for his team no matter what they do. Fan is short for "fanatic," after all.
I can't tell if you intentionally used the wrong "your" as a jab at the writers not knowing how to write, or that's just the typical typo I see in comments like... all the damn time, lol.
And cocain lots and lots of cocain. They probably had a rule of for every bump you add an idea to the board. *Sniff "Obi Hides the Princess in an oversized Imperial coat"
@@reek4062 Seems to me you haven't yet gotten around to any of the Legends EU, the Clone Wars, Force Unleashed games, or even some of the good stuff off the new Canon. We're talking about huge content you have missed, and better to judge stuff in whole rather than just watching the OT and then praising this shit show.
@@beenalive1736 Oh wow, how mature ffs no pleasing some people. If you were a true star wars fan you'd love this series because this along with the OT and originals is at thr peak where it should be, if you don't like it thrn don't watch star wars anymore because youre obviously not z true fan and just here to cram your impertinent opinions down ppls throats get a grip dude
@@blueiswonderful You can't be a real fan then, this is back at the peak of star wars, I'm talking pre disney level. What more do you want, if you don't like this then don't watch star wars instead of throwing your rediculous opinions around without anything to back it up
You're obviously not a real fan then. What more do you want them to do? this is back at pre disney level, man. If you don't like it then don't watch star wars, you're just cramming your opinions down everyone's throats. I'd like to see you do a better job but you never will because you obviously no nothing about film production or star wars in general. If you want anyone with an iq even over 80 to think about taking you seriously at least give reasons rather than just offering an opinion.
I really, really wanted to like Obi-wan. I think we all did. But this just confirms for all of us that Disney has some kind of intractable problem with hiring or its current team members. I'm seeing the same core problems in every Star Wars property they release recently with the exception of the Mandalorian, which I think Dave and Jon must have made in a vaccuum The worst part is seeing Ewan Mcgegor get done like this on his own show, thank god he has pretty good dialogue, hearing him speak on any occasion has been the best part of this show
I made the lightsaber props on the prequels they were very lightweight and easy to throw around. I definitely think the new sabers are a problem on this new show.
@@Remnicore ha yeah I'm not lying, I made hundreds of lightsabers and spent alot of time on set with Ewan, Hayden, Samuel L, Christopher Lee etc. The rods would bend often but they were great to fight with as it didnt matter if you pushed them too hard. We would also grind down the buttons so they could twirl them easily. I do think the light interaction works well though. there was a few shots in the prequels where lit ones were used but they were bulky and cabled to a power source so only good for close ups.
The new lightsabers feel like baseball bats. The old ones looked like they weighed like a feather which made rhe movements so smooth. I did not like the scene where obiwan took 4 hits to take a stormtrooper down when rescuing Leia. They really need to improve on the lightsaber department.
I felt the exact same thing, it's good to see others realizing this as well. also the choreo with the lightsabers feel a bit off. thanks for commeting this!
Star Wars has some of the best make-up effects guys in the world at their disposal and the Grand Inquisitor looks nothing like the race he belongs to. The Fifth brother looks terribly cheap and doesn't even have the same shade of grey skin or markings. If you're going to have characters appear across animation and live action, characters you invented no less, act like you care about consistency.
This is Disney we’re talking about, same company who has the money to make Bill Nighy into Davy Jones and James Spade into Ultron... yet instead we just get a white dude and an asian dude in some makeup...
There is a case to be made that the animation is stylised and will look different to the live action. Like animated Dooku looks nothing like live action Dooku. I agree much of this show looks off though. The Grand Inquisitor just looks wrong.
Telling fans that they are impossible to please and then feeding them garbage is the biggest cop out for lazy production anyone has ever heard. How many of us are still paying for those insults?
Star Wars fans are impossible to please. Look at the Obi-Wan Kenobi show. It has some minor flaws, but it's great. The show gives the fans what they want and has a true Star Wars feel to it, yet the fans still complain.
@@reek4062 the mandalorian gave me more "star wars feels" than kenobi even though it has none of the characters we know and love before. None of them even know what Force is, yet it was still far more entertaining than this obi-wan turned babysitter shit of a show. They plastered hayden all over the marketing and i feel like he only has 2 days on set showing his face. Like seriously if you think this is great then you've set the bar too low for yourself.
it feels more like a play, like even the bad guys feel like their in on it trying to make a good choreographed play, thats the only way i can describe it
THATS WHAT IM SAYING, like the Third Sister character seems more like shes trying to be an actor more than the actual character. It so shitty to watch but i still enjoy it
I agree with it feeling cheap, surprised more people havent been saying it. Everything from the editing, choreography, direction and musical score just feels half baked at best
I felt the same about The Book of Boba Fett too (and some Mandalorian season 1 episodes). Some of the performances really break the immersion of being in Star Wars.
"I know what you're gonna say, tamper your expectations." No absolutely not, it's THE Obi-Wan Kenobi show, everyone had high expectations for a good reason.
Man i stopped patronizing this trash after disney and fans defended the last jedi. I watched ep9 out of obligation, vomited, and walked away. No amount of good mandalorian episodes is going to rescue the main idea of star wars from the rotten core of its rebirth. I saw like 2 clips of kenobi and just reconfirmed the lack of respect and basic awareness of how to handle the material. Stop buying this stuff because youre just paying them to make it even worse.
The Leia running from the bad guys scene was my first major red flag for this show being cheap AF and Disney-fied. Then the Reva scene doing unnecessary parkour on the rooftops sealed it for me. It's like she was showing off for an audience of no one. She almost seemed to be having fun...which completely defies her end goal. That would have been a perfect opportunity for them to showcase the fact that the Inquisitors can use their lightsabers to fly. (Goofy I know) The show has just gotten progressively more cheap and cheesy since then. Leia under the big coat was egregious.
Leia under the coat was just straight up stupid. Like how the fuck are at least 50ish troopers that are all around, not noticing that? I was literally expecting any officer to say something like "Hey, identification", or chatting under their breath, "that officer doesn't look right". But no, since it's Disney, the good guys are invisible and get away mostly hassle free. Its's honestly feeling like a live action Rebels. Almost every situation where the protags are supposed to be busted or die, they don't. And it's not even a struggle for them to escape or complete the mission. Shake of shame man, plus I really wanted to love this series, I think we all did.
I was just about to agree with you until you mentioned the helicopter thing with the lightsaber. And you say that Reva doing parkout is silly...? I mean, at the moment to introduce the inquisitors and their skills to the audience, the producers must have pondered what to show, something that looks cool, yet in a scale from 0 to 10 of silliness falls in a 5. So they chose the parkour thing, wich isn't as stupid as three morons flying with plasma blades wich have no way to create an upward impulse.
@@as-ep7ev If you could fly...why would you jump across the rooftops doing unnecessary flips and stunts? Even if she didn't fly...she was showing off for no reason.
@@jshooper7819 I didn't say that the parkour thing was good. It was stupid. I just said that the helicopter thing is much worse. Cool is not good. But, explain that to teens wich are the target for companies like Disney. They think: teens like to feel they're cool, whatever that means, let's give them that. Let's make this character move cool, talk cool, dress cool, so they made Reva.
Having Vader and Obi-Wan's epic reunion take place in a gravel quarry, like it was a planet from an old episode of Doctor Who, is the biggest thing that made the show feel cheap to me.
Thats exactly what I thought, a supposed iconic scene in a quarry out the back of a sand and gravel company..... ugh, Boba Fett was the last straw... what am i doing?
Right??? I thought it would be epic I couldn’t stop looking forward to seeing them meet for the first time since Mustafar. Then the poor lighting and miserable setting made me hyper disappointed. I’m pretty sure they will be one more duel by the end of the show but I doubt it will be very much spectacular. I’d love to eat those words more than anything but I have a feeling I probably won’t have to.
They didn't think it was fine. They sat through the screenings themselves, knew it was terrible and then created a narrative that if you don't like this then your racist to try and hide from criticism behind the actresses'skin color.
The first thing that tipped me off to the cheapness was when Obi-Wan literally saw images of him being distributed and still left his hood down while wandering around. Just broke all narrative relativity and they kept on doing it with a bunch of other things. I want to see the overall story arc, but I'm not enjoying actually watching the show.
Right?? I was watching this this my dad, and we were yelling at the tv because he was walking around in his Jedi robes out in the open. It’s even worse because he m, for whatever reason, took off his disguise that obscured himself moments after entering the public. Like what lmao
I thought the same thing. And then when they just barely get away in the cargo transport (which Leia even complains moves very slowly), Reva just watches it go, metaphorically shaking her fist? Could she not have just jumped in a ship and followed it, or make a simple comm call to have some troopers follow it (or even take it down)? The biggest disappointment for me with the show is the lack of logical conclusions to the harrowing situations the protagonists find themselves in. Like they just said "good enough" and let's move the plot along, without considering how ridiculous the plot holes are.
it also doesnt help that a majority of the action or main shots are just repeats from previous films. literally frame by frame the same. just lazy all around
Part of the cheap feel is the lack of aliens, which also detracts from the Star Wars feel. It was so jarring to see Obi Wan in the 1st ep on a truck with maybe 1 (lazily visualized) alien amidst a whole bunch of humans. And that kept happening.
Its very disappointing how they are taking one of the most famous and coolest fictional characters of all time and doing him dirty. Im also disgusted on how bad obis and vaders first encounter was. these last 2 episodes better be amazing.
I believe it has fo do with the first 10 years Obi-wan has ptsd disconnect a bit from the force and is this battered Veteran just trying to survive while trying to watch over Luke. He had been through a lot. It took a bit to be who he is in New Hope. Or in Rebels when he absolutely demolishes Maul.
@@jbar85jb22 I agree but the way they set him up in this show shows that in anytime in that 10 years he was surprised by either Vader or the inquisitor’s, he would’ve gotten both himself and Luke killed. Or worse he would’ve ran away and watch Luke get killed. :/ I like his PTSD but he should still be able to hold his own and do his duty that yoda ordered him to do.
The lack of trauma from Obi Wan in the most recent episode was absolutely baffling to me. He just faced his old friend after believing him to be dead for 10 years, saw what a monster he’d become, and nearly died in the process… we see 0 affect of that on him. Like, wtf Disney. I wanna see Obi Wan express some damn emotion
I think it's worse than that because he's supposed to already know about Anakin being alive. In the original trilogy he talks about hiding Luke from his father to protect him from the emperor
Same with vader, he had no major dialogue or no major emotion after seeing Obi Wan, it didn’t feel very impactful. The writing on this show is god awful and so terrible.
Sure he chokes out the one inquisitor lady, but there was no raw emotion on it. It feels like this show is too afraid to bounce away from family friendly (minus when they cut a man in half for shock value, but given Lea a literal child didn’t even react to seeing that or any other person die in this show, it doesn’t really count) As a casual star wars fan the fan service means nothing to me and the writing on this show is as frustrating as the last season of Game of Thrones. And dear lord did the chase scenes suck balls
When Vader force-ragdolls Obi Wan over the fire and smacks him down like a sausage on a barbecue, he was completely powerless, there was no reason he would survive that. The chick didn't even intervene in time, it's VADER himself that stopped himself and freed Obi Wan. It's subtle, but if you didn't notice watch the scene again. So basically it means Darth Vader thought it was too fucked up to burn his old master to death. And when the chicks come and make a diversion to save him, there is a big zoom on Vader's face while he does nothing about it, as if he was thinking "yeah I'll let him go". To be honest, and it's the worst part, I'm not even sure they did that on purpose or if they just had no idea how to write something logical out of this situation. Because right now, if you think about it, Darth Vader was more merciful than Obi Wan. He could have done anything whatsoever to him, but he chose to stop torturing him and let him go.
Yes exactly, it feels like a C tier show. Why wouldn't they give this a much bigger budget and better writers and directors? It feels like a fan production filmed over the weekend.
@@dragerdet I used to think prequels were bad, but i rewatched the phantom menace after so many years, It's actually a lot deeper than people realize, and it used a lot of revolutionary tech for it's time, many modern movies wouldn't exist if ILM didn't innovate in their technology which were used and tested in Star Wars
@@chippievan as most current-production star wars media is these days. the good the awesome part of expanded universe was writers werent commissioned. they volunteered to write the books and then put it forth to george lucas himself, he greenlit every eu book and game with the lucas stamp of approval. my problem with the games is the only reason star wars games pre-disney had good graphics was because they had the budget to not only make the game fun but also give it good graphics. now??? there is no game, only graphics, just some pixels on my screen, cool okay, which you wont even be able to see without a car-price graphics card.
9:12 - I totally agree with this. I honestly feels like it's more about Leia than it is about Obi-Wan. Obi-Wan honestly just seems like Leia's side-kick who has to defend her all the time.
and they'll have to amend the hologram message in a new hope "Years ago when you saved me in a zany adventure with my cute robot sidekick but then again I saved you from those Stormtroopers on that farming planet... wait why do I need your help again?"
The scene where Reva goofily parkours across the city while every bounty hunter and obi wan can't outrun a ten year old was probably the stupidest thing I've ever seen. Like wtf
Natalie Holt's score is another factor that makes it feel cheap. When you watch _Star Wars_ you expect music with grandiosity, like John Williams and Michael Giacchino did so well. Ludwig Göransson went in a different direction but it fit _The Mandalorian_ and it worked in the context of that show. Holt's music just feels like an extremely bland... I don't know what it's trying to be. Is it trying to go in a different direction like Göransson did or is it trying to imitate Williams? Either way it doesn't work. The melodies are almost ridiculously unmemorable and the instrumentation is colorless (where are the brass? the woodwinds?).
I guarantee they didn't have the budget to hire a full symphony orchestra for Kenobi. They did for the John Williams theme but hiring musicians is expensive as hell and there is a lot more time to fill up than a single movie.
You’re not alone in this, no use of the imperial march..battle of the heroes, etc. it was so powerful in Fallen order when they used Anakins dark deeds when vader showed up
Agreed about the music. This is a TV series so I didn't expect a major film score, but Disney owns all the rights to the Star Wars music. They have no excuse not to use the leitmotifs associated with specific characters. A generic ominous theme played when Vader showed up instead of an arrangement of the Imperial March. Leia, despite being a major character here, does not have her theme either.
@@BrassPlayr - You're probably right about them not having the budget. But it begs the question: Why not? Kenobi basically should have had a massive film scale budget behind it.
The thought that keeps coming to my mind about the Kenobi series and even the Book of Boba Fett, is that is feels like a decent low budget fan film RU-vid video.
The nostalgia effect has worn off very quickly and now the show's blatant issues are too front and center to ignore. Ep.4 was an absolute joke. Some of the worst star wars content I've ever seen. The entire episode should've focused on Kenobi's mental and physical weakness after being ragdolled by his former apprentice turned cybernetic monster who he presumed dead. He should've been mentally scarred and spent the episode coming to terms with this new reality and re-connecting to the force to help guide the way. What we got instead was a 'Cal Kestis infiltrates the fortress' copy with worse dialogue, pathetic writing, awful directing, and some absolute clown show moments like the trench coat scene. What a complete disappointment this series has been so far. And that's not even mentioning how they've done Hayden so dirty by giving Vader ~10 minutes of screentime through 4 episodes. CGI during the escape scene was also terrible and lazy.
@@ludwigvansolo1999 Say what you will about the meh storyline and overall end point (destruction of the Holocron, negating the point of that adventure), the last act was very intense and put you through the works with the gameplay elements. And that climax, was not spoiled in that moment, and it truly was a flicker of exciting horror and life in the Star Wars universe.
I will say this, from the beginning, I was worried that this show was going to be only 6 episodes. I knew this was very worrying before it even came out. Disney markets this show as a “6 hour movie” of Kenobi. This could not be further from the truth. This is a tv show, not a movie, therefore the story progression is at a much slower pace! I’m sorry, my impression was Leia would be what got Kenobi out of hiding and Kenobi would return her by the beginning of Episode 3. The fact is, this show almost could have been named “Leia”, because it revolves almost entirely about her rescue, with Obi Wan just being there in the background. I like the characters, but they should not hijack a show called OBI WAN KENOBI. This show isn’t supposed to be about them at all. They’re wasting time we have of actual Obi Wan action scenes that fans wanted. That’s how I respectfully criticize what Disney did with this show.
Totally agree. I had the same feeling before the show even came out, I saw in a interview Mcgregor was talking about how he wanted to do a second season. Which made me think that he knows that this first season must not be up to par, and he wants to a second chance to make it better.
@@jbuff8323 Yeah, it sounds like it. When I finished the second episode, I figured in Episode 3 Kenobi was returning Leia to Bail and that we would have just Kenobi, Vader, and Inquisitors from there on out. Man, was I wrong. Why is this series a rescue mission for Leia and Obi Wan a secondary character?? It’s his show! And I mean no disrespect to the new cast, but the writing of the show was not done right. I’m hoping these last two episodes give a decent closure.
God forbid that a show develops its other characters... “It CoULd JuST AsWElL Be naMEd LEiA”. Oh really, is Leia the that character everyone is targeting? Is she the one with the main character arc? Is her actions what primarily moves story forward? No.
@@thomasjeppesen3055 there's a difference in developing other characters, and completely sidelining your main character that everyone came to the show to see, for smaller role characters at that time. There's no shot 4 episodes in Leia and Reva should have more screen time than obi. Not to mention why bring Hayden back as Vader? This show is just bad man. It's not character development when they actually are taking over the show. Reva and Leia are primarily the show.
You forgot our favorite part. After escaping/killing the stormtroopers, Ben couldn’t figure out that he and Leia could have just WALKED AROUND THE RED LASER GATE versus failing to shut it off and shooting at it to turn it off. They weren’t even taking the vehicle through it, they were WALKING. Just walk around the gate, it’s that simple!
I feel like Disney simultaneously hates the old characters, yet rely on them to make money and media. They gave Obi Wan the Luke treatment and made him almost useless. An example would be him frequently using a blaster. I get that he can't use his lightsaber, but he hates blasters. Rey can fight Kylo with no training or knowledge after picking up a lightsaber for the first time, yet when Obi Wan faces Vader he is practically useless and pathetic. I get it's been 10 years, but did he really forget how to use the weapon he was trained in for most of his life prior to Order 66?
They have Obi-Wan asking Owen if Luke's shown any signs of force abilities. How exactly was Obi-Wan planning on training Luke if he couldn't still use the force himself? Who writes this shit?
@@mikeymunson9504 currently being able to use the force has nothing to do with possessing the abilities to teach it to someone else. And if you haven’t paid attention Obi Wan is exponentially regaining his old abilities which was probably something he knew he could do when the time came. Everything shouldn’t be spoon fed to you.
Something that bothers me is the atmosphere, take a look at mandalorian s1 for example, everything felt genuine, and if you had a chance to look around the scene, it feels like you would actually see the rest of the scenario because of how great the atmosphere was executed, while in obiwan and BOBF feels like a tv show, and if you had the chance to look around the scenario, you would end up seeing the show set, a big green screen and some cameras.
Disney star wars feels entirely like a fan film. I loved star wars as a teen, if you had told me it would be utter soulless trash in my adult years, I never would have believed it.
I noticed visually it looks way too polished. When you watch Rogue One it has gritty look to it, kind of like a soft WW2 film (saving private ryan). Even though they have the awesome Unreal Engine to help with filming. It does feel cheap for some reason or story line feels lazy or super slow paced
Even though each episode has had it's moments, it's impossible to ignore the shows flaws. You hit most points on the head. It feels and looks cheap, the direction leaves alot to be desired and the writing is straight up BAD. the Vader-Kenobi showdown should have been something special. Yet it lacked any emotional weight and just looked like it came straight from a fan film. Out of all the shows that they announced this was the one I was looking forward to the most and has been a huge disappointment so far. Btw, great video mate, earnt a sub.
I have to admit, this is not the best stuff. For a show so long in the making, incredibly popular characters, and unlimited resources. This feels a little AV club.
hayden really got redemption by an entire fanbase after almost 20 years of full disdain. its so heartwarming to see people light up and say "YOOOO I CANT BELIEVE ITS REALLY HIM" and most importantly the pain he (and most other actors) went through after the 2 films he was in
The more the series progress, the more it feels like a kids show from nickilodean. Only nickilodean kids shows have that cheap feeling and countless loopholes. Just add in a laugh track and it's perfect.
Maybe let the show finish, I mean the show itself was made to fill a plot hole so it’s of course going to make plot holes during it until it is finished
You can easily tell Disney didn't feel the need to try with this series since they already knew people were going to watch just for Ewan and Hayden. And it definitely shows. Andor and The Mandalorian are so much better.
Feels like the writers and filmmakers just graduated film school and were given the chance to make a story with two of the most iconic characters in star wars
As Mark Hamil said about the Sequel Trilogy: there’s a difference between making a good film and making money. Disney knows Star Wars for the cash cow that it is. The only person who really cares about George’s vision is Dave Filoni. Deborah Chow, etc. talk about “George’s Vision”, but they definitely don’t get it.
The 'Lucas Vision' is a complicated thing though. His original ending for ROTJ was much darker, with Luke essentially becoming Vader, eventually opting away from the idea because Star Wars was aimed primarily at kids and wanted a lighter ending. Obviously that didn't happen but shows that even back then things were close to being much darker and different, and that Lucas' vision was always changing for better and worse.
Deborah Chow maybe the director of all the episodes but i wonder if she wrote the scripts. The only reason her Mandalorian episodes were good is because Favreau and Filoni wrote the scripts
Not to take credit from Filoni, but it was actually Jon Favreau who made people interested in Star Wars again after the abomination that is the sequels.
I agree with a lot of this. I’ve been saying forever that we had amazing fights in the prequels because they used actual stunt sabers with carbon fiber poles, that were light weight and could actually hit each other hard while dueling. They need to bring back the stunt guy from prequels, Nick Gillard
@@Soccercrazyigboman But this a goddamn "prequel show". As in, that's what it's tied to the most. It would be more than reasonable to make it feel similar in every way possible.
I feel like a show about one of the biggest and important characters in Star Wars should’ve gotten really great production quality and a ton of more care and thought put into it. It amazes me how cheap they made a show about Obi Wan Kenobi of all people.
I've been wondering how Obi Won was supposed to "protect" Luke when he himself is so weak? How is Obi Won supposed to contact Qui Gon if he's not even using the force?
This is like ten years before that happens. He will likely train to get back to his strength in rebels and the OT. Mayne he'll go see Yoda and he'll instruct him for a bit or something.
Exactly! How is Obi-wan supposed to protect Luke with his light saber buried in desert? Obi-wan should have been working out his body, practicing his saber skills, armed with other blaster weapons, a high speed space ship and other preps. Obi-wan should have copied the Yoda perception…appear weak but really be a badass! Bale Organa should have supplied Obi-wan with money, supplies and transportation. The show doesn’t understand the very nature of Obi-wan’s purpose.
he's getting the Luke treatment from Disney and it's embarrassing. You mean to tell me he hasn't contacted Qui Gon in ten years after he was instructed by Yoda to do just that?
I'm a Star Wars guy since I was 5 years old, I was SO excited for this show. Bouncing between this and Stranger Things Season 4 has been pretty depressing because it's so awesome to see a cohesive story with amazing characters, it just bums me out that it hasn't been Kenobi.
@@TheHIOJK OK answer me this .at the end of season 4 they found out there is a doorway to the upside down where ever someone was murdered.....so your telling me the cops that don't know what's going on didn't see the giant growing glowing orange door in the roof of that camper........how do the cops not no that is there, and didn't he live with his uncle in that camper? He didn't tell the cops there is a giant growing glowing thing in is roof....come on not well planned out
It's when they did the whole "3 raccoons in a. trench coat" scene that I realized they are making a kids show. This is not a show meant for adults, which explains some of the other crappy choices they've made.
Star Wars was always a kid show.. It's just the fans have become adults with childhood memories of the OT. If you analyse the script.. The OT and NT was a copy-paste, the writers did their job (even if covered in woke stuff). Episode 5 was amazing. My issue with Obiwan is the same with Book of Boba Fett...so when does the story of the main character get shown? These click-bait titles are getting annoying.
They see something that people like and they copy it. The Mandalorian did well because it was created by passionate people who had a cool idea. Obi Wan exists because money. Mandalorian only has so long. I'm happy with the first and second series, but I don't hold out any hope that it will continue to be good.
They've already started to ruin Mando by injecting his incredibly important story arc into a shitty Bobba Fett show. By the end of Mando S2 Mando & Grogu were separated for good and when S3 starts Mando will have already been united with Grogu. If you haven't watched Bobba you'll be lost and if you did watch Bobba now Mando is gonna suffer because S3 was supposed to be about Mando without Grogu and Grogu training far away, no build up to anything there.
@@TK0S3 I liked Boba Fett, but I agree that it came across as concerning. That is why I said it only has so long. There are hints of executive meddling there. It all depends on how long Favreau and Filoni can fend them off.
Exactly, Filoni and Favreau already proved but know and put it to work. Not a 10/10, but at least isnt a mediocre 5/10 crap like this sh*t that they named "Obi-Was Kenobi"
A fair analysis, i agree. That second of Reva running had me laughing out loud. Looks like something from out of a comicbook. Also you forgot that interrogation. That was some aweful acting. I switched on episode 4 after watching Stranger Things s07e01 and the difference in writing and acting is just miles apart. Also the speech from the obi wan trailer was like a minor thing in the actual episode, so disapointing.
Glad someone else mentioned Stranger Things since they dropped on the same day; I was so ready for Kenobi to be AAA and Stranger Things 4 to be mid, but it turned out to be the exact opposite
A big part of the problem with disney's saber duels is they're using actual lightsaber toys for the props on set, complete with light-up effects and everything. Actors have to be a lot more careful and gentle with how they move/ interact with them or they risk breaking them. This is opposed to the prequels where fights were done with metal rods with effects added in post, which allowed for more physicality.
>>hey're using actual lightsaber toys and your evidence for this is what exactly? >>gentle with how they move/ interact with them or they risk breaking them. As opposed to Obi-Wan not having used a lightsaber for 10+ years and being rusty (as with all his skills)
@@redcardinalist Or, yknow, the actual bts footage of kenobi. You're dreaming if you think the people that made this put enough thought into it to make them 'rusty with their skills' lmfao
@@redcardinalist he trained since childhood. He uses the force. Jedi just don't lose all their skill and knowledge in a decade... and it was pretty lame to write him as a loser, doing nothing, when Yoda sent him to train. Just Disney being Disney and rewriting what it means to be a Jedi. See, being a Jedi is about self-mastery. Getting depressed like Jake Kenobi and Jake Skywalker and giving up, is a Disney thing, not a Lucas-Jedi, thing. But you're making excuses for poor lightsaber direction using poor writing as the excuse... lol ok.
I've said this since the prequels: The back stories lived better in our imaginations. When you try to add details, and cycle old characters into past/future events, you end up with a ton of continuity issues or things that don't make sense and feel forced. As a kid growing up with these (pre internet), we knew some of the back stories, and it's never wrong in your imagination. I don't hate anything, but there is disappointment when they do things like he mentions. Sometimes if feels like the people making these newer shows are not even fans, which is odd in itself.
Think back to when you were a kid and you imagined the Clone Wars in your head. Or Anakin Skywalker being a skilled Jedi Knight. Or trying to picture how Obi-Wan and Anakin looked in the ‘civilised’ times… your imagination always got it spot on
@@keelobrown4991 Revenge Of The Sith is great but the other 2 are still meh/not good, imo. Revenge Of The Sith was pretty awesome watched as a film on its own that you could skip TPM and AOTC and not miss anything, really
When I saw those two stormtroopers get slapped lightly on the helmet once and fall all over the place I was so shocked I didn't even laugh. It simply makes no sense whatsoever.
As SW fans we can't let this mediocrity slide and defend it just because it's Star Wars, we have to demand better and lightsaber action is still pathetic
Yes i'm happy each time i see Rotten Tomatoes note going down. People need to show they are furious. It was 57 % before i go to bar... Just come back 6 ours later and it's 55%! lolz Go on guys we are the Rebel Alliance!
Unfortunately, I have seen countless comment sections filled with nufans trying to rationalize the plot holes. I think most of the original fans hate this stuff but I fear that the younger generation doesn't have the same appreciation for it.
@@rdubayoo Younger generations are growing up with all the worst part of the franchises, they never watched the masterpieces from the 90s or early 2000.
I can definitely feel a difference between Mando and The Bad Batch vs Book of Boba Fett and Kenobi in terms of the care put into them. Maybe Disney thinks that shows about legacy characters can succeed based on name recognition alone.
I say it's that they don't care about the legacy characters. They want to crush what memories the fans have of those characters so they can get to focusing on new content. To them, legacy characters have too much baggage.
Quit whining like little bitches!!!!! If you can make a better Star Wars film/show than you should have bought the franchise from George. Sit down and shut you ass up!!!!!
Two of those shows have Dave Filoni, and the other two do not. I have my issues with Dave but you can't deny that he was taught by George Lucas and really seems to care about the characters.
When they chased leia I was laughing because they could’ve literally jumped over that BRANCH it wasn’t even a tree. Also finally someone else noticed the magic tunnel. I think it’s clear anything Star Wars not made by Dave filloni will most definitely suck
I think everyone noticed the “magic tunnel,” but there are so many silly moments and plot holes, it just falls down the list compared to everything else lol.
I have check previous works of the "writers" one is more a producer and the other a musician. They never write something noticeable in SF or fantasy. Pathetic.
puuuh so glad to see many people feel the same way. i started watching the series without getting any other opinion in the first place. And it felt so weird, i was like, is it just me or does this look and feel like a fan film?
I binge watched The Book of Boba Fett, then proceeded to watch one Episode of Obi Wan Kenobi just now. Within 5 minutes I noticed the stark contrast in quality of the two shows in every single aspect. I totally agree with you - it felt like a fan-made film.
I just feel bad for stormtroopers in general. They're told to be highly trained foot-soldiers of the empire, but the way they're portrayed is as if they were five-year-olds in a nerf battle. It sucks. In the comics it still isn't perfect, but it's way better. And I completely agree with you. The show seems cheap. I was so hyped for the Book of Boba Fett, but that was a total flop. The Mandalorian was good, but it felt like "Star Wars: the Western plus a cute green guy for the merch." I had hope for Obi Wan as well, but it just isn't right. Even so, there's only two episodes left, and I can't figure out where this is going. There's little plot, minor character development, (emphasis on minor) and it just feels like it can't go anywhere. Plus, is Disney going to pull their "random force abilities that we thought up last minute" card again? In A New Hope, the message Leia sent to Obi Wan states that "You once served alongside my father in the clone wars," and not "You rescued me from crazy inquisitor people who tried to torture me." Okay I'll stop now.
@@brickabang true, at least after they get out of the detention block. Like @Scuva5608 said, Stormtroops in the old comics are actually elite shock infantry under the Emperor's personal command. It isn't perfect but they're always a threat.
The whole of Mandalorian was really cool, but both Bobba and Obi Wan feel completely off, and I'm not even really sure why, although Remnicore has hit the nail on a lot of issues.
@@emuman09 that too but a good director knows how to get around that, not that i'm an expert or anything, but i went to film school and most of the great directors we studied simply knew what worked in a script and how to take advantage of it, that's what makes the difference between an ok director and the great ones
@@emuman09 but to be fair obviously there must be a bunch of factors that get on the way of the director too, Disney being Disney it must be pretty exciting and frustrating to work with at the same time
This could have been a quiet, dramatic series with two great actors playing deep characters. Instead it.... isn't It's pretty sad that the final hockey fight in Goon felt more epic than Obi Wan v Vader 2
Moses Ingram is such a talented actress! You guys aren't giving her due credit. She has such a range; frustrated, angry, wrathful, angry, angrily confused, confused angry, enraged and angry! She's the bestest evar!!
@@jeremyhudson1180 Honestly I feel like it's a directing/writing issue. She seems like she could have skill, but the writing and directing for her character is not that good. Even if she was a bad actor, it is up to the directors and other higher-ups to hire good actors for filming
I’m so happy that the tunnel thing was brought up. The entire time that that was going on I was like “welp ig that lady is dead” but then reva ends up on the other side and tala makes it out and saves obi wan ?
Well if Reva shows up miraculously at the other end she obviously didn't go through the tunnel, so it makes sense the lady got out alive. Still doesn't make sense how Reva knew where it would lead and how she beat Leia to the other end though...
Wish I could give this video 10 likes. This was literally me watching every one of these scenes with these exact complaints going through my head. The only reason why I also gave the first two episodes a pass was because they were supposed to be the "build up" and because they had the Grand Inquisitor, who felt like a great callback to some of the classic "legends" dark side users like Jerec from Jedi Knight, Uthar Wynn from KotOR, et al. I'm sure that the final Kenobi/Vader duel will be a flashy extravaganza to distract from the countless problems of the series, but that won't fix anything - it may only lay bare all of these issues by comparison.
This what happens when you have a director who hasn't directed much action films and incompetency of Disney because of their beef with George Lucas. Its Sad that they are not working on Kenobi series (a show that we were dying to see) as well they did on Mandalorian. Some say its about the budget... bitch please, George Lucas barely had our modern technology and props. Still managed to make vintage Star Wars and Indiana Jones.
This is my new guy for Star Wars frustration vents because he’s using good points, good relevant clips & it’s refreshing to hear needed Star Wars critiques without the usual incel rants…man Disney loves to fumble out expectations…*sigh
The way people use lightsabers in Disney Star Wars just looks like someone swinging a baseball bat. And I love how 2 adults and a child managed to fit in the back seat of the snow speeder in episode 4. I mean there's about a thousand other ships they could have used that everyone could actually fit inside but they just had to use snow speeders to try and invoke nostalgia or something.
Smaller but noticeable nitpicks : When Vader is being suited up, you see the sequence where his arms are being attached. 2 seconds later, his arms are not attached yet. Dunno how tf can anyone fuck this up. Second - Vader literally extinguished the fire effortlessly with the Force. Then when that same fire is reignited again barely a minute later, he couldn’t (or wouldn’t?) do shit. Umm what?
Thought I was only one of few people who thought this about the show. Everything you talk about here I noticed as well and just shook my head about it all. What the hell is going on? They just don't have the correct talent or they just don't care? Either way, this all blows. I so want these television shows to be better and wish Disney would make the correct adjustments immediately.
Just fire Deborah Chow and whoever wrote the script, the directing, dialogue, set, editing, characters are underwhelming and cheap💀how could they have Ewan and Hayden back and still be able to waste such a series with high potentials, this is crime
This actually feels like a continuation of the Disney sequel trilogy. Honestly I don't know why they just can't have the same director for all of their shows instead of switching them out cuz it makes some shows terrible in some shows great.
Switching directors is probably a minor problem of why all of these shows and movies suck. Some SW shows suck less hard and it takes some people a bit longer to realize how much they still suck. I think everything that Disney does with SW sucks because oligarchial capitalism does not work very well in a creative context. They just do what any oligarchial company would do to make stock holders happy and compete with the few other oligarchial companies. They don't need these shows to be any good. They clickbait parents to subscrive to their streaming service with nostalgia and want them to forget about it because their 6 year old kids can still enjoy trash writing.
some shows great? I beg to differ. During every post prequel production I've found myself regularly turning my head in consideration to discontinue watching. ALL OF THEM. Even Mandalorian (arguably the best of post prequel productions so far) had numerous moments of cringe-writing/production throughout its episodes. The originals came out of one mind predominantly...LUCAS. These new productions are all split-minded with woke agendas intermixed. All adding up to a bunch of noises with about 1% of actual star wars cred story development.
@@Dios_nysos I Agree with everything except "woke agenda" . The only agenda Disney has is money - and that is rather anti-woke! There is no woke agenda! I'd rather call that a conspiracy theory. "Woke sells" and therefore we put woke into our movies to make more money is something totally different than having an actual woke agenda! (unless you fall for a politicized definition of woke that categories it as aimless activism based on a worldview that is as complex as that of a typical teenager or a very immature person) Last Jedi even tries to be anti-capitalist in a blatant manner and therefore is a perfect example of capitalism trying to turn its own critics into a consumable good. If you think Disney actually has a woke agenda you have fallen for their biggest scam! Their morals are where their money will be. I mean look at "wokeness" in these movies and shows - its depictions are ridiculous - like cuanto bight. I think George Lucas actually was and is pretty woke in a sense. Especially compared to Disney. What could be woker than being a great storyteller that explains the world in wholsome, complex and exciting analogies?
I didn't realize there was only going to be six episodes. I thought with a 10, 12 or 20 episode season we were off to a decent start, despite the occasional hiccups. annother 6-8 episodes would have given plenty of time to develop the characters, let Obi-Wan slowly start to regain some confidence and ability, and finish with a banger of a fight. Now I'm feeling less hopefull. That said, I will take any excuse to watch Ewan McGregor as Obi-Wan Kenobi.
@@-DSet the only thing that's wrong is something in your head. McGregors portrayal of obi wan was garbage. Wooden acting delivering boring dialogue of a character with zero personality. You have less taste than someone with covid.
I tried so hard to be a good little SW fan for the first 3 episodes cuz I’ve always been a sucker for anything prequel related but this episode did it for me, I mean it had all the set up to be an episode about the clone wars using flashbacks and could have actually utilized Hayden for once in the series other than being in a damn suit. Instead obi wan just wakes and and is like “ fuck we gotta go get Leia “ so many things feel like the writing had zero context about any of the original movies and just went off a few notes and some RU-vid videos.
just finished the show, and frankly it was a story that had no consequences, no real threats, and ended flat. Done with Disney Star Wars at this point...
This show has made the Galactic Empire as incompetent and goofy as the First Order from the sequels. And also, the lightsaber duels are like in the sequels, basically baseball bats clashing each other without any choreography or basic understanding of lightsaber duels from the Prequels or the OT.
I feel sad as I've waited so long to see Ewan return as Obi-wan but the dueling in the fan edit is SO much better. Vadar in this series looked far too stiff and lifeless. I really hope they listen to things like this, they have the budget to make this thing awesome.
Gotta leave some respect here. When I clicked on the video, I honestly thought to have a hundret-thousand-subs-channel on my hand. Great quality, both in editing and argumentation. Stick to it, bro, you'll definitely go the distance! Greetings from Germany
so much respect... esp when two episodes back this channel defends some of the things he complains about in this one. to be topical... it reminds me of that hilarious scene of that clone trooper begging for money, only views instead. that said if u think Disney could turn this ship around after ep9 i blame your brain, not Disney. also to this channel, its not the girl or the ppl chasing her, why are u not understanding its never been the actors, ITS THE WRITING AND DIRECTION. even stranger u seem to say it, them right after say u don't care...
Disney proved they’re able to churn out new stories (ie:Mandolorian)… yet for some reason they feel every moment of the Skywalker saga needs to be mapped out. It’s because of this fixation that cracks begin to emerge. They need to just let the Skywalker saga go. I concur with much of what you said in the video. It does feel cheap. It’s poorly executed. The acting and writing in Star Wars has never been amazing… but it’s especially ridonkulous here. Most recently, at the end of part 4, after a certain cast member dies, the rest of the crew looked like they dropped their ice cream cones on the sidewalk on a hot afternoon. A static shot that lasts far too long. I didn’t watch Star Wars Rebels, so I don’t notice inconsistencies with the grand inquisitor… but for me, he was a highlight in this show. He seemed to be the only one acting and he had a commanding presence which felt scene appropriate. Having now watched 4 of the 6 episodes, there’s nothing that can redeem the show for me, even if the final two episodes are perfection. It’s already been too long of a “slog” to get to the finish line.
Blame the directors and writers for Kenobi. Dave Filoni and Jon Favreau are occupied with Mandalorian S3 I think so that may be a reason why Kenobi seems to be flopping.
I could not agree more. It’s so awful. I blame directing. Money can make a show look big and better, but a good director can make magic with half a million bucks.
Agreed. First thing I noticed was how un-cinematic Obi-Wan was... it looks like a Sci-Fi channel space movie, in that it looks cheap, no cinematography, everything blandly lit, and the stunts and lightsaber fights look like they took 30 seconds to rehearse... acceptable for Sci-Fi channel... hardly acceptable for friggin' Star Wars! Shocked (not really anymore) that Disney dropped the ball this badly on Obi-Wan. I'm watching one more season of Mando (nothing will be better than the first two) then canceling my subscription... meaning I just don't care about any future Disney SW projects. We have enough good SW content for a lifetime.
its not a matter of having existing content. it's about filling in the gaps that they dont already discuss in 1-6. you are correct it though the show is trash
@@davidwindell plenty of television shows have cinematic feel, we’re paying money to watch this content so we expect it to be good. You’re such a delusional fanboy lmaoo, keep defending big Daddy Disney if that makes you feel better 🤣
Yea very well said! It’s crazy because John and Dave had so little to work with when it came to the mando but still make it feel big and the small things, like the introduction of the dark saber, made it feel impactful. On the other hand, Chow, the directors, writers, etc. have so much to play around with. Vader, clone troopers, inquisitors, obi wan himself, and so much more. But still everything feels cheap and poorly executed. Same thing with Boba Fett. Boba Fett should of been written just like they did with the movie “The Batman”. The most feared bounty hunter back from the dead?!
Pretty criminal that the writer hasn’t even seen Revenge of the Sith, let alone any animated series or comics. And the Reva actor hasn’t seen any StarWars at all..?? Can someone explain how atleast watching the live action movies isn’t a prerequisite to be put in charge?
@@KwaIified I used to be surprised, but then I remembered that they bought George Lucas’s story line for the sequels off him, so he couldn’t use it, then threw it in the bin. Then started filming that rubbish with no actual story line and literally made it up as they went. Not to mention all the pandering and diversity box checking bla bla bla. The actors came out and said there was no final plan or script so they couldn’t really know what they were acting for. Laughable. So yeah, feels like I’m living in a world that works backwards 😅 The people with the final say on so many big issues, have no idea what’s going on around them
@@AsharpVocalAcademy totally agree with all of it...sick of the diversity shit too....remember they were gonna make Superman black....like wtf....he is white.....it needs to stop
Yeah I don't get their logic behind this... Why do they even want people doing this who clearly doesn't understand the product they're creating content for ?
@@contecgames6225 ...I dont understand how this made it past the writers room....ur telling me a group of Lucasfilm creatives all read the show outline and each script and thought this was any good....I cant believe that
Imagine if Reva was an older woman who failed to protect her apprentice during order 66, and she spent time in the background trying to get close to Vader in order to try and kill him .
I thought about it, and when the stormtrooper tells Kenobi "It's a long way", I think he was just basically playing hyperbole and essentially telling him to "tell me your story anyways" to see what's up with him and if checks out.
It didn't feel cheap, it felt underwritten. How can Disney put out its best ever original MCU production in Moon Knight and then right after fail on Kenobi, which should have had success written all over it?
This is just a theory, but i’m pretty sure in the Vader duel, vader wasn’t trying to kill him. I think he realized that Obi Wan kind of sucked now and let him go so he could get stronger. Vader really wants revenge on Obi Wan, but killing him while he’s all weak like this wouldn’t be very satisfying. That’s probably why he let him get away with the loader droid as well.
Nothing makes sense. If that is the case then Vader would've already called off the search or lie that he killed Obi wan, but he is still being relentless about Obi wan.
Even if you are right it’s the job of the writers and director to make that clear to everyone watching. You shouldn’t have to interpret what should be a straightforward encounter. Something as simple as Vader saying “you’ve gotten weak in your old age ObiWan” and use the choreography to make it clear that Vader is simply toying with ObiWan by how little effort he has to put in to fight him. As MJL said, you’re giving them too much credit. I think it’s clear by Vader’s other dialogue that he didn’t want ObiWan to escape as he was mad he got away. Again, if you were right, a line as simple as Vader saying “let him run, he can no longer hide from me” would give the audience something to understand the context of the scene instead of ‘interpreting’ it.
Or bad writing/direction could be it to. We could excuse that by making "theories" but that'll just mean the show runners get a pass to keep up this laziness.
