OCSS-066 Stowable Sink for a Small Sailboat - Mini-Cruiser Sailboat Build

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In this episode I install 3 hooks in the main bulkhead. 1 is to hang a stowable sink, the other two are for coiled line or anything I want to hang. I make templates for the aft deck locker panels, I fiberglass the last remaining cabin sole piece, I install a new fiberglass drain tube for the forward ventilation, I build and install a base mount for the mainsheet cam cleat, and I demonstrate how the stowable sink will function.
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@ocean_capable_small_sailboat 10 месяцев назад

What would you build to secure the stowable sink from swinging while in use? I’d love to hear your thoughts. The solution should be easy to mount and remove. 🍍Thank you for watching! 🤩 Support OCSS Through Patreon! www.patreon.com/oceancapablesmallsailboat Members watch 1 day early!

@cornishhh 10 месяцев назад

A bungee or two?

@petercarbin2077 10 месяцев назад

A bungee cord can work. I'd like to use Velcro straps. They work good off also when you have the sync. Any upright position have something that it hooks on very solid. Wrap a bungee Cord around it and that will give it fix. Then use the same bungee when you stowe it.

@rickhalstead8990 10 месяцев назад

I always like to think of what can go wrong. Your sink drain is an inch above the water line but that does not mean it will be above the water when you are tacking or in any seaway conditions. Be sure your through hull is either a seacock or at the very least you have an in-line shutoff valve when everything goes awry - which certainly can happen without warning. Cheers.

@Garryck-1 10 месяцев назад

You're gonna need a way to latch that bucket handle in place, when in use. It won't take much of a bump to make that handle jump clear off the hook, which will then dump water onto your bedding, and other places.

@Garryck-1 10 месяцев назад

This is an algorithm booster! ⛵

@RonCooper-l6j 10 месяцев назад

You are fitting the sink outlet just above the waterline on the transom. Don't forget that as your speed increases the stern wave rises significantly and will put your drain underwater.

@danielculpepper8772 10 месяцев назад

Maybe add small inline shut off valves at the hull and bucket ends. At the bucket end so that it can retain water (washing) and at the hull end for safety if the hose breaks.

@peterheiberg566 10 месяцев назад

I think you’ll find a seacocks is required for your thru hull. I think ABYC requires a seacocks on thru hulls closer than 18” to the water line. Something like that

@koshpavel 7 месяцев назад

Regarding the sink mount. How about using a rubber band from the bottom of the bucket to the floor. It is easy to mount/unmount, you can apply a decent amount of pressure with it, and while having flexibility it won't apply much force to the bucket itself. By having 2 mount points on the bucket bottom and the floor you can add stability

@Victorpaez 10 месяцев назад

The only problem I see is that when you have the bucket stewed in "no using position" water from the outside can come in. I think "a few centimeters above the waterline" it is not enough.

@leemelbourne3297 10 месяцев назад

As long as the bucket is stowed well above the waterline and the hose fillings dont leak, then it wont matter if water moves up the hose. It wont come out the bucket. If the boat laid down on its side then it would become a problem though.

@ocean_capable_small_sailboat 10 месяцев назад

All I have to do is keep the hose looped up high, or put a hook at the top back there in the aft cargo hold and store the bucket high.

@CaptRon78 10 месяцев назад

Add a valve on the drain for the bucket. I've never commented on your videos yet but I definitely see a problem there. A valve will fix the problem but you have to remember to close it when stowing it. Sailing downwind with waves hitting the transom will push water in the through Hull fitting. I've seen it happen before

@CaptRon78 10 месяцев назад

A valve or a check valve or both on the bucket drain will fix it. Also consider adding a bilge pump float switch and hook it to a siren for a "high water alarm" had one in my 29 ranger and it saved me

@MegaBilly9000 10 месяцев назад

Totally agree. Every opening near or below the waterline should have a valve. Especially because small boats and sail boats move around on their waterlines. You can siphon a lot of water through a 1/2” hose.

@NM-ql9er 10 месяцев назад

I'd recommend some valves at all these holes in the hull. There are cheap crimp type valves that can be set up before the exit point in the hull.

@anthonywoollcombe9767 8 месяцев назад

One must allow for the amount of water coming into the hull…..if there is a serious amount of ingress the bucket outlet will not cope. Cheers

@journeymanadventure 10 месяцев назад

Bucket lock: Shock cord tied to make a loop that passes through a hole in the bulkhead. To install the bucket place it on the hook and the loop slips over the base of the bucket. To remove just flip the loop off the base and your done. It'll move a but but is quick and adds near no weight to the build

@dogonegone 10 месяцев назад

If you the made the handle for the bucket rigid and a deeper slot for it to sit in, then it would remain in place. But, with the pivot handle you have a ready made gimble set up.

@actual_nonsense 10 месяцев назад

Bungee cord in light tension from the bottom of the bucket to somewhere underneath it.

@christopherbrand5360 10 месяцев назад

Will the aft deck locker only drain on one tack? Getting the bottom sloped enough to overcome your angle of heel can be beneficial. Presumably you won't be doing tons of windward work and so won't be heeled down hard. Allowing for about five degrees of heel should be sufficient. For the sink, I dould use a bungee from the bottom of the bucked to the cabin sole to secure it and keep it from swinging/banging around. A loop of cord around the drain in the bottom of the bucket can provide an attachement for the bungee. I like to avoid hardware solutions whenever cordage will do the job :)

@anthonyrstrawbridge 10 месяцев назад

I'm pretty happy with it. 👍🏼

@astrayalien 10 месяцев назад

In every way a regular bucket is a better solution.

@ocean_capable_small_sailboat 10 месяцев назад

Except that it doesn't self drain. The great thing is, I can use a regular bucket any time, but have the option to pour any water into this sink to get the water out of the boat easily.

@johnirby493 9 месяцев назад

To make the sailboat more secure, do away with all thru hulls. Have a combination of electric and manual pumps to route all liquids over the sides, or through scuppers. Either that, or manually dump. It won't be as fancy, but you'll never have to worry about hoses or fittings coming lose.

@ocean_capable_small_sailboat 8 месяцев назад

That's basically what I'm doing, minus the pumps. This boat has no holes in the hull below the waterline for liquids to be pumped out or sucked in. Which is more than most any other cruising boat I've seen can say.

@johnirby493 8 месяцев назад

Sorry. I thought I saw you drill a hole, not far above the water line, which under all normal conditions is good. Traveling across oceans can quickly undo normal conditions.@@ocean_capable_small_sailboat

@rollinrock6696 10 месяцев назад

Suggest using composite TruDesign plumbing/ thru hull fittings and valves rather than stainless, lighter and corrosion resistant!

@sailingona 10 месяцев назад

Brilliant idea 👍 I’m definitely go with the valve is well just in case 🙂

@petercarbin2077 10 месяцев назад

As far as the stubble sync maybe a ratchet strap or a bungee cord. That will keep it from swinging, very simple.

@ocean_capable_small_sailboat 10 месяцев назад

Thanks, check out the newest video, I show the solution.

@TheRoadtoEsperanza 6 месяцев назад

If you stop the bucket from swinging the water in the bucket will slosh out (if there's enough water to slosh that is). I'd probably put it somewhere I could stand up and let it do double duty as a urinal.

@billywhizz6483 10 месяцев назад

I would have made the G10 'hooks' longer so that the bucket handle (and lines on the other side) have a deeper recess to fit into. For the lines, consider adding a loop of thin string in them... you could then pass the thin string through the coiled sheet/halyard and back up onto the hook. Excellent progress!

@phillycheesetake 10 месяцев назад

IIWY the bucket sink would never be stowable below the level of the drain. The drain fitting is just above the waterline, but in a following sea it could be underwater half the time. If anything the stowed position should be higher and more secure than the in use position. Maybe a large "cupholder"-type mount with a bungee strap to stop it jumping the split rim.

@petercarbin2077 10 месяцев назад

I hope you read this, but on your 5 gallon bucket sink you should take a Torch, melt the bottom of it. Give it a complex or concave contour to it. I'm not sure what the proper word would but like. The shape of a Salad bowl or a sink to get the shape, dip it in ice cold water and it will hold the contour. And take the heat away from the plastic. That will help hold the shape

@ocean_capable_small_sailboat 10 месяцев назад

That's a great idea. I only worry that if I try to do that now it would pop off my carefully epoxied-on drain.

@petercarbin2077 10 месяцев назад

@ocean_capable_small_sailboat Not if you're careful, heat the right area and have a bucket full of ice water. With A wash rag or clothes that way when you get it. The exact shape you want. You could cool it down quickly. With the ice water on the cloth.

@diogod1801 10 месяцев назад

In a rainy and cold night you can also release urin through this bucket. It can be eventualy a good thing. Nice job.

@McTroyd 10 месяцев назад

4:40 Oof. After all that work on the hull, that must have been nerve-wracking drilling a hole. 😅

@lotophagi711 10 месяцев назад

You need a way to close the drain off. A following sea will pump water in siphon loop or not.

@Garryck-1 10 месяцев назад

Yep. A seacock is essential. As is a non-return valve.

@thenorthcardinal 10 месяцев назад

Hi, great work on the construction and videos as always! If the thru hull for the sink outlet is far above the waterline, i think your setup will work (although to drain, your bucket hanger will have to be pretty high inside the cabin). If the thru hull is only just above the waterline, you may have the potential to get water coming back into the boat via the sink if its placed low down in the boat when stowed as others have suggested. I'd suggest fitting a permanent manual bilge pump with thru hull (and seacock) well above the waterline in the transom and then having this connected to the bucket most of the time (you then have to actively pump out the bucket), but you can still have enough hose that you can quickly uncouple it and use it pump out any compartments if you do start to take on water. Just a thought. :)

@robertgold2643 10 месяцев назад

I’m humbled and I inspired by your efforts with a 17’ boat. My minimum would be a Hurley 22 (and more likely it’s 27’ bigger brother). Crack on!

@kens2114 10 месяцев назад

2 comments, 1/2 inch tubing won’t handle a whale gusher & I would add a stop valve between the locker & the tee to stop water coming up thru the bucket & vice a versa, cheers

@ende421 10 месяцев назад

I think a sink makes sense. Doesn't have to be stowable, though IMHO. Somewhere you will want to collect the dishes anyway. Permanent installation is less fiddly.

@ocean_capable_small_sailboat 10 месяцев назад

Thanks. I like the idea of being able to get it out of the way. There's not a lot of space for a permanent sink in this little craft.

@mcdus1441 10 месяцев назад

I love it!

@rickpawl 10 месяцев назад

I am really enjoying watching this build. I like the creative thinking and problem-solving and innovation that go into each part and system of your boat. Keep up the great work.

@ocean_capable_small_sailboat 10 месяцев назад

Glad you like them!

@Finn-McCool 10 месяцев назад

As for the bucket, in order to avoid a clamp or other loose parts that may get displaced. I would suggest a vertical bolt latch that drops down into a tube or eyelets fastened to the bucket and can also then be raised and turned into a fixed position in order to allow the bucket to swing freely. Like the fence gates that have a similar way to keep them open or closed. The vertical rod drops down into a hole in the ground in order to fix the gate opened or closed. Either way, love the progress!! -✌🏼

@54Berra 10 месяцев назад

Bucket. I would make a little pin vertically on side of bucket and a hole stuck to the hull to fit the pin in, like a hinge on side of bucket. When liftning the bucket you automatically unhinge the pin from its hole at the same time. Should be an easy thing for a handyman.😊

@DowneastThunderCreations 10 месяцев назад

👍👍👍

@SvenYrvindExlex 10 месяцев назад

Good you got rid of the brass fitting. Biggger diameter is also good. 1/4 increase to 1/2 is twice the diameter. At least for blod the flow increases with the forth power. So that would be 2X2X2X2= 16 times faster drain. I think the drain hose will stop the swinging. Just restrict it with a string and a knot

@ocean_capable_small_sailboat 10 месяцев назад

Thank you for watching and the advice, Yrvind!

@dannotte7289 10 месяцев назад

Add a seacock before the fitting to prevent seawater backwash and keep it closed while under way

@erikdailly 10 месяцев назад

Looking good! As for the bucket, I would consider a c-shaped open clamp where the hose can be pressed in. This could be fixed to the for-aft stringer where the hose goes from vertical to horizontal. This should keep your bucket in place. Also a seacock may be a good idea in the same hose...

@ocean_capable_small_sailboat 10 месяцев назад

That's a great idea, thanks!

@daveamies5031 10 месяцев назад

Maybe have another hook at the same height where you plan to stow the bucket, if you have a following sea you don't want the water to come up the pipe to the bucket that's lying down. If you had put the hook slightly to starboard the bucket could rest against the bulkhead and wouldn't swing, so I was a little surprised where you placed it. Using a bucket as a sink is a good idea, nice and light 👍

@ocean_capable_small_sailboat 10 месяцев назад

Thanks, it's tough because there is not a lot of bulkhead real estate to work with. I have electronics/fusebox/switches that will be installed and take up all that space on the starboard side there.

@Garryck-1 10 месяцев назад

@@ocean_capable_small_sailboat - Electronics next to a bucket of water? That's a recipe for disaster. You might want to think about how to protect the electronics from water splashes.

@ocean_capable_small_sailboat 10 месяцев назад

I get the concern, but the electronics are already going to be close to the main hatch and have to be protected from splashes anyway. It's never really going to be a "bucket full of water", it's really just more of a way to easily drain out water. I think in actual practice if I want to wash something it will be in a different bucket on the cabin sole and when done I can pour into my stowable sink. @@Garryck-1

@Garryck-1 10 месяцев назад

@@ocean_capable_small_sailboat - Good to know.. thanks!

@samijokinen6923 10 месяцев назад

Looks good 👍🏻

@Abc-kf4qx 10 месяцев назад

Might you consider a collapsible bucket (for easy stowage) and simply empty the bucket into a grey water tank (5 gallon Jerry can) stowed securely below? A lot simpler I would think.

@ocean_capable_small_sailboat 10 месяцев назад

Thanks, but to me it's much simpler to be able to just pour anything into the sink and let it drain straight out the boat.

@noasailing27feet 10 месяцев назад

I am sailing a small 22 feet bost offshore long distances. I lived onboard more than 6 months this year. As the boat is small , i do not need any patreons i live and joy my life as ever before. Suddenly this year i have two of them. I will give one away thi 3:45 s spring ,! love from " free boat sailing ! Take care , i undestand that your is costing a bit more. My two i got for free !

@Garryck-1 10 месяцев назад

Two of what? Patreons? Boats? Something else? You don't say...

@noasailing27feet 10 месяцев назад

@@Garryck-1 2 boats, one i will give away next spring , i use as storage over the winter !

@Garryck-1 10 месяцев назад

@@noasailing27feet - Thanks for the clarification!

@PeaceProfit 10 месяцев назад

Cut a plywood ring for the bucket that notches into the bulkhead which is held in place with dowel pins through the bulkhead wall. ⛵️

@PeaceProfit 10 месяцев назад

Other than a dowel pin... small blocks attached to the plywood ring, either side of the notch and also the bulkhead would be a simple quick method without any parts to fiddle with or lose. ⛵️

@CG-cx9fv 10 месяцев назад

Cap'n, what about eliminating the bucket handle and making the strap you mentioned sturdy enough to support the weight of the "sink" and attach it to the bulkhead with a hinge mechanism so that the sink can be swung behind the bulkhead when not in use and out when needed. That way you can get it out of the way without having to remove it completely from its support.

@curtiscagle6261 10 месяцев назад

Perry, I found you a stainless-steel folding sink. Only problem, it cost 365 dollars. Sinks are expensive. I located a non-folding one, but it cost 140 dollars.

@ocean_capable_small_sailboat 10 месяцев назад

Yes I saw those, but they get immediately eliminated due to cost, haha. That's why we have the bucket solution. I'm happy with it.

@RagtimeBillyPeaches 10 месяцев назад

Please don't forget to have a sea cock between the thru hull fitting and the tee fitting.

@TheHellishFrog 10 месяцев назад

Hi! IMHO - the major drawback of the stowable sink is its flat bottom - the liquids will tend to stay there. It is made of thermoplastic material - You can try to heat it, form a rounded bottom - and put the drain to the center. Regarding the swinging of the sink - it seems that the drain tube from the bottom should be sufficiently stiff to keep the sink in place. One more thing - but it is most important - then You stow the sink - it is too close to the waterline - and water can potentially get into the boat through the drain hole in the transom.

@ocean_capable_small_sailboat 10 месяцев назад

Good idea about using heat, I'll keep it in mind if I re-make this in the future.

@johnlove4183 10 месяцев назад

Maybe a bungie from drain-clamp to eye on bottom bulkhead to keep bucket from banging?

@stuartsutherland7664 10 месяцев назад

I felt the stowed bucket system is too much of a faff. If it was me I'd look at a folding sink on the bulkhead. Also I think your above waterline drainage hole is too low. I'd have it higher or fit it with a one way valve. Alternatively you could fit the basin with a hand pump to drain it over the side. Boat's looking good though!

@alansomerville4806 10 месяцев назад

Lay that bin down and the other input will drain into your xabin via the sink/bucket - valve?

@iBradWatson 10 месяцев назад

I’d put another hook where you will stow the bucket. Plumbing should all be secure to prevent leaks when you need it.

@ocean_capable_small_sailboat 10 месяцев назад

Good solution 👍

@user-ho9cz9lo9f 10 месяцев назад

Hi C Perry. Loving watching the build. I have a querie about the storable sink. When storing is the drain guaranteed to not let water into the boat? And could food or other debris get clogged in the pipes stopping the cockpit drainage? All the best from across the pond hear in the UK Ken

@ocean_capable_small_sailboat 10 месяцев назад

Thanks Ken. The through-hull will be above the waterline, and as long as the sink is stored higher than the through-hull or the tube loops higher, there should be no way for water to get in.

@necrokittie2291 10 месяцев назад

somehow i feel like that sink will be doubling as a urinal which is why it needs stabilization.. so one doesn't miss.

@dogonegone 10 месяцев назад

What about a flexi bucket, like what plasterers use? far more durable than those plastics, which do become brittle and therefore, break easy.

@Garryck-1 10 месяцев назад

Most of the brittleness comes from exposure to UV light. Keeping the bucket inside the boat should help prevent that.

@bffaris 10 месяцев назад

I think three or four pieces of foam board against that bulkhead and you could make a really nice sink. Might also be easier to bail and pee into. Have you seen Sven’s?

@ocean_capable_small_sailboat 10 месяцев назад

I have things to mount there in the future and the space is very limited, so that's why I love the idea of a stowable sink. Most of the day a permanent sink would be wasting space. Thanks for watching!

@bffaris 10 месяцев назад

You’re the captain. With the bucket I think the guy with the bungee idea was simplest.

@johnnybillstrom5185 10 месяцев назад

Are you sure that the fittings on that bucket will work and don’t get loose epoxy not sure too staying on. And the bucket itself is not a god idea. I think it will be scrapped fast. I think the idea is ok but I think that parts in better suited materials is the thing.

@diederikvandedijk 10 месяцев назад

When you stow the sink away the aft deck locker will drain into that.

@ocean_capable_small_sailboat 10 месяцев назад

That is easily avoided. The tube to the sink will be kept higher than the tube down to the through-hull.

@diederikvandedijk 10 месяцев назад

@@ocean_capable_small_sailboat I know. Better make it fail safe or it will happen.

@isserfiq 10 месяцев назад

You may wish to reexamine the epoxy to PVC bond on both you through hull and your bucket. I think over time they will not hold. PVC / polyethylene expands and contracts with temperature changes and this will break the bond to the epoxy. Think of how easy it is to peel cured epoxy from your plastic yogurt mixing cup.

@ocean_capable_small_sailboat 10 месяцев назад

It's ok, the sink is very easy to replace with another idea if it doesn't work out, or I can try different ways of attaching the drain. The PVC pipe wrapped in fiberglass was scratched up before fiberglassing and it would be very difficult to get out.

@nsendan 10 месяцев назад

Epoxy bonds well enough to sanded pvc. No glue sticks to a polyethylene bucket…

@tonysutton6559 10 месяцев назад

Could you hang the bucket below the aft deck locker when it is stowed so that the bottom of the bucket is always above the T-junction so that there is no way that water can get into your stowage area?

@ocean_capable_small_sailboat 10 месяцев назад

Yes, it's a good idea. 👍

@MrRotske 10 месяцев назад

don't know about the bucket...must be a better solution.

@BrunoWiebelt 10 месяцев назад

interesting, but what about the toilet special the big things?

@ifoxwell 10 месяцев назад

When your sink is stowed is there any chance water can back flow from the transom or the locker drain back into your bilge?

@ocean_capable_small_sailboat 10 месяцев назад

No, because the through-hull is above the waterline, and as long as the sink is stored higher than the through-hull or the tube to it loops higher than that T fitting, there should be no way for water to get in. Thanks for watching!

@liamstone3437 10 месяцев назад

An interesting thing to know about G10. It is 90% resin and 10% glass fiber - thus Glass 10 or G10. People who don't know that sometimes trust it for critical parts. G15 is less commonly available. One guy in California made his whole boat from G10 sheets without knowing this. You could see the water through his translucent hull. Cool but destined to fail.

@ocean_capable_small_sailboat 10 месяцев назад

You have that backwards. It's 90% fiberglass, 10% resin. (Source I found is on jmjprofile dot com) I really liked that guy's G10 boat! He used thin sheets, something like 1/8th in. I'm sure it will last a long time. The tensile strength of G10 is 45000lbs per square inch! And on regular fiberglass boats you can sometimes see the water through the hull. I've heard an Albin Vega owner mention that.

@Garryck-1 10 месяцев назад

@@ocean_capable_small_sailboat - Yep.. most people don't realise that regular fibreglass is translucent.

@roxyknight4909 10 месяцев назад

How many sheets of marine plywood have you used so far ?

@ocean_capable_small_sailboat 10 месяцев назад

None

@roxyknight4909 10 месяцев назад

@@ocean_capable_small_sailboat ... no Marine plywood ? ... just normal plywood ?

@Garryck-1 10 месяцев назад

@@roxyknight4909 - No plywood at all. This boat is foam cored. As you'd know if you go back and watch the entire build from the start.

@stevehowie2819 10 месяцев назад

I don’t understand why you would use a bucket in such a well thought out and executed craft. Why not fabricate a folding sink on the starboard bulkhead that the bucket is hanging on? Same drain system would work, after you add a one way valve so a following sea doesn’t flood from the rear.I love the build, but the sink idea is not on par with the engineering!

@ocean_capable_small_sailboat 10 месяцев назад

I don't want a permanent sink on the bulkhead, even if it's folding. I want it easily put out of the way when not needed.

@seamaster3150 10 месяцев назад

A hole in the hull and no seacock? Perhaps a nice idea on a lake, but on the ocean? Never ever...

@ocean_capable_small_sailboat 10 месяцев назад

As I mentioned, there are no holes in my hull under the waterline.

@CaptRon78 10 месяцев назад

@@ocean_capable_small_sailboatwhen sailing downwind with waves hitting the transom the through Hull fitting will be underwater sometimes.

@Garryck-1 10 месяцев назад

@@ocean_capable_small_sailboat - *ALL* through-hulls need seacocks. Even the ones above the waterline.. and *especially* when they're so close to the waterline.

@peterheiberg566 10 месяцев назад

I don’t mean to be rude but sometimes you say or do things that make me think you don’t have a lot of small boat experience and yet you introduce yourself as Captain Perry which implies some level of qualification. Could you explain please?

@ocean_capable_small_sailboat 10 месяцев назад

Grew up sailing small boats, sailed the caribbean on my Cape Dory 31 some years back for a couple years, and got my OUPV Captain's license from the Coast Guard. I was also a Surface Warfare Officer with the Navy, so many many hours logged on the bridge of the Destroyer.