Odd Things About Doopliss 

Just a bit of a headcanon for me, but maybe his hammer being treated as a contact move with Zap Tap is because he isn't holding an actual hammer, it's just an extension of his body from his transformation magic. Also, just like Mario is full of spaghetti, Doopliss if full of spaghetti code

Doopliss would make for such a sick partner. Copying enemies in battle, calling Mario "Slick" all the time, etc

Being trash at action commands and general strategy is perfectly in line with his character. Intentional or not I love it.

I’ve heard the actual technical reasoning, but I need to believe The P-Badges don’t work for the reason we all want: you’re against Doo_liss

The partners doing weird damage in the Chapter 4 fight is the definition of the Boss when you fight it vs the Boss when you unlock it as a character XD

To be fair, Doopliss doesn’t have to follow other characters’ rules because he’s not TRULY them.

I just had the most amazing Doopliss fight. I beat all the partners, then without me even realizing he had 1 hp left, a shy guy ran on stage and dropped a bucket on him for the win in slow motion. Incredible

Doopliss' Goombella having Multibonk even if she isn't Super-ranked reminds me of how Vivian has Fiery Jinx when you fight her during the first Shadow Sirens battle, before she ever has a chance to become Super rank.

I think it makes perfect sense that Doopliss is an imperfect copy. His hammer makes contact because, well, Mario still has it. So his hammer would logically have to also be a copy, and by that technicality, a part of him.

the remake added a new trick up their sleeve now; If you one or two turn them, they have a life shroom that they dont have if vivian is there; If you one turn them, vivian shows up turn two (a turn earlier) and if you two-turn them, they have extra dialogue when they activate their life shroom (if you one round them, they give the normal "oh you can hurt me now" dialogue).

Honestly all of his weirdness always just seemed intentional to me, like he couldn't quite figure out how the moves were supposed to work. The goombella multibonk is crazy though... maybe Doopliss is a better trainer than Mario. lmao

Doopliss tries to do Vivian's shade fist properly and just uses like, a lighter and a can of compressed air

The P badges not working on Vivian was almost certainly unintentional. I don't remember the details, but she's added to the fight without running the function that recalculates what badges should be equipped in battle based on your current inventory (I think maybe the btlevtcmd_SpawnUnit function just doesn't ever run that logic, and this is the only time a player character joins mid-fight?). This is kind of the inverse of the bug that causes partners' HP to go screwy when stolen from by a Badge Bandit (since the function to recalculate which badges should be equipped _is_ run then, and also pulls the partner's current and max HP from their last value on the field). Mowz's Love Slap _does_ have multiple hits (2-4 hits based on rank), only the last of which is actually a damage-dealing attack. The number of hits it does actually determines whether or not getting countered by Payback glitches out, as the direction she faces when attacking is different, and only one direction's script code has the bug. Your guess is as good as mine as to why they remembered the flag for diminishing damage on Ch.8 Goombella but not Ch.4; I'd say that it was probably more noticeable to take a ton of 3-damage hits than 2-damage ones, but you'd think Doopliss never using a hammer would be at least as noticeable (especially given you're not guaranteed to have Goombella out for the Ch.8 fight).

My best guess on the multihit ms mowz jank is that Doopliss's love slap attack was copied from an unfinished version of love slap in which it was a multihit move

4:09 It should be interesting to note that Doopliss' animation here is actually different than Vivian's Shade Fist animation. It's actually the attack Vivian uses during the first Shadow Sirens fight! Strange how he still doesn't use Firey Jinx when Vivian does in fact use that move during the first fight...

Honestly the Ms. Mowz shenanigans make me believe Ms. Mowz’s basic attack was supposed to be a lot better earlier in development, like Bow’s slap from Paper Mario 64. Would make sense if it was a balancing mismanagement, since Ms. Mowz just kinda sucks in the final release.

Doopliss looks like he's giving you a hug when he attacks as Vivian tbh

odd things about doopliss? y'mean everything?

The fact that you’re standing on the wrong side of the battlefield is pretty weird to begin with.

You would think Doopliss' fights would be less janky than the duplighosts in paper mario 64, but I guess they were rusty or his infrequency by comparison made them miss some spot checks. But the worst part... no partner tattles this time! (besides Vivian)

a weird amount of this makes sense actually. like, you don't have your body, so you don't have your badges. unless they were working previously. and when it's the ghost himself as the partners or mario, he doesn't know quite how to 100% accurately do their moves, as for when he's using the partners, um.. maybe he's just a really good coach?

Doopliss is always one of the more interesting bosses in this game, and how he's programmed is no exception.

a french man with a smoking problem does a better job at copying the enemies' abilities and he just uses a piece of paper with a drawing on it.

When Vivian joins the fight she actually occupies a 2nd partner slot that is why the partner badges do nothing. If you use a hack to recover your partners you can have 2 at once on the field. Not sure if that does break the game or not but yea, it's made in a strange fashion and only applies to doopliss #2 you should try and check if P-Badges work during the running section

Goombella's Multibonk not decreasing damage every hit would make her unusually viable

I think it would have been a cool trip up if you were on the left side, as your identity has been stolen

I think the base damage of the spin jump in the japanese version of TTYD is actually 2, which would be why Doopliss' failed spin jump does 2 damage instead of 3

honestly one of my favourite characters so far. his whole schtick is so cool, the way he calls mario "slick", how he poorly tries to imitate mario's mannerisms to convince your partners, just the way he's written in general. even his cute ghost design. I just think he's neat.

So you're telling me Love Slap could have actually had a purpose by inflicting multiple hits? Damn shame

The Shadow Queen does the same thing as Doopliss if you defeat her in her first form before she turns invincible. She comes back with more HP. I don't remember how much HP she gets though.

I approve of Beldam receiving a Superguard smack at every turn

I suspect that the fact Doopliss' copy of Vivian can't inflict Burn is because it's lifting the enemy data from the Chapter 2 Vivian fight and adjusting stats, but they forgot to have it inflict burn.

I always saw Doopliss and your partners doing poor damage as a balancing measure by the devs. I'd imagine the battle would be painful to get through if doopliss or any of your partners dealt more than 4 dmg each when they attacked.

It doesn't matter if doopliss is glitchy af. His battle theme slaps.

When Doopliss copies Vivian his shade fist looks more like a shade clap

If only Miss Mowz had doopliss's version of her attack, she would have been a much better partner. Lol

I'll never forget when I was a kid I'd skip dialogue very often to get into gameplay. Well I skipped the Vivian primer dialogue and for the life of me couldn't figure out how to find his name. I dropped the game for like 3 years before I picked it up again and actually read the text. That's when I facepalmed the hardest in my life.

0:43 ...where the hammer is likely a direct extension of yourself at least, that's one interpretation

I think the Partner oddities are old stats that weren't updated. Am I correct in assuming that the enemy partners are entirely separate from their regular versions? Most likely included in Doopliss himself? If so then any changes made to the partners during development would have to be replicated which could easily be forgotten especially if different people handled it. This could even answer why there were differences between the battles as they made at different points in development. As for Doopliss being injured by counter moves when shouldn't, could be intentional so the player can still harm him...or could also be a case of old stats. Either way pretty interesting stuff here.

This does actually (maybe) confirm my theory on Love Slap, and specifically why it doesn't generate SP/gets "boos" from the crowd. Those first "hits" the move does aren't just animation, they are, in fact, "real" hits that just do 0 damage... which means tbe entire move gets the failed move penalty you get for doing no damage to an enemy.

Okay, so I knew about the thing with P badges not working, probably because of the fact Vivian joins mid-battle. I also knew about the whole deal with Goombella's Multibonk being weird, and I knew about the thing with what happens if you do more damage than necessary in the Chp. 4 fight But the rest? Nada. Didn't even know about Yoshi's Ground Pound being weird. I really have to wonder if this is the result of them not being careful when putting this fight together, or the game possibly being rushed like other Gamecube titles, or maybe both? I dunno. Doopliss is a complicated boss. I'd imagine soooo many things would have to be taken into account when putting those two fights together because of the fact that you're basically fighting yourself/your party members. But like, now you've shown just how weird this fight is and it really makes me feel like they absolutely dropped the ball here. Still really cool though, thank you for this video lmao

Honestly, this makes me fear doopliss just a bit more when using my partners. But him...its like it breaks the rules of what the game should be.

I wonder if the Ms. Mowz slap that Doopliss copied is taking its script from an earlier version of the move? It couod be that they programmed him to use a version of the Slap, and then changed Ms. Mowz' version of it but not Doopliss.

Wish Doopliss could tattle Mario when he copies Goombella in Chapter 8. Kinda like with the duplighosts when they copy Goombario in PM64.

i enjoy the editing work done to keep the music going seamlessly so often in this video :)

legit the one thing I always found weird about Doopliss in the Shadow Sirens encounter is how he lost the ability to Spin-jump entirely, alongside losing the hammer- but losing the hammer probably makes sense to an extent since he didn't steal Mario's body like in chapter 4 but the fact he loses Spin-Jump instead of keeping it(he deff should've considering he could use it prior, even if it could've been because he stole Mario's body) or not getting access to Spring Jump, considering Mario has Ultra boots at that point, is deff one of the stranger things in that battle whenever he becomes Mario. I can only assume the reason he's significantly weaker when transforming into Mario in the Shadow Sirens fight could be because he needs to steal the body, but then that does not explain him being able to use Goombella's multi-bonk Doopliss deff one of the strangest Duplighost type-enemies, yet also the most fun to mess around with(in ch. 4 at least).

I suspect the discrepancies are maybe a peek at earlier states of game balance during development. It makes sense that the second fight is closer to correct because it was presumably written and coded in later. Plus I suspect the second sirens fight as a whole might have been a late addition to pad out the game’s length.

I love weird stuff like this. Thank you for showing us this cool stuff, Koops!

For the 2+2 = Spin Jump. Maybe at some point, it was based off PM64, where a regular double jump used the Spin Jump if you had the Super Boots? & for the Electrfied vs Hammer.... Well, metal conducts electricity, right? Alternatively, what if, since he's a shapeshifter, the hammer is just part of his body? 1:43 Dang! 3:45 Strange. I guess Gale Force by an enemy would be too swingy. Can Yoshi in Chapter 4 do a Gulp against Mario's side? 4:09 It seems like Doopliss is doing a different hand motion than Vivian. Is that what it is? Was that what Vivian used in the Shadow Sirens battle? Neat video! Thanks for uploading! I'm interested to learn more about this!

0:45 Ew! You know what that means? That hammer is actually part of himself! Like he grew an extra limb to mimic the attack!

the ms mowz slaps are the definition of jank, thats crazy!

If they remade the game, they probably would fix the doopliss fights

There's actually a good explanation as to why Doopliss comes back with 10 HP before he turns into Mario. He just so happens to have a Life Mushroom as a life insurance incase he meets his untimely demise.

5:20 dude think he is lady bow

I wonder if Ms. Mowz still affected by the "P" badges in the 2nd fight of Doopliss. Yes it's a glitch and yes you're not suppose to have her before chapter 5, but with the Early Ms .Mowz Glitch is possible. And yes I know it can softlock the game, as it dosen't know how to deal with it if you have her instead of Vivian, but it's for science ! At least Doopliss know Ms. Mowz do piercing damage but yeah it's wierd to see a 3 hit attacks when you usually just one when you have her with you.

I can't wait to see how this plays out in the remake it'd be very interesting if they kept it the same

Wait, if you kill Doopliss before he becomes shadow mario, he does it anyway and gets back 10 HP? Doopliss really does have unstoppable magic!

It is honestly pretty cool that the partners get stronger when you fight them, just as when you control them in battle. Makes the fight a bit of punishment for ranking up your partners too zealously.

Actually curious, what happens if Doopliss uses Love Slap on you with P-Up D-Down equipped? Would the hits before the last one deal damage in that case, similarly to how fog appearing can hit you, dealing 0 damage, but actually can deal 1 with P-Up D-Down?

I’m assuming the weird parts with his chapter 4 fight has to do with the fight being designed before they had the partner scaling decided but knew what partners would be able to do at max rank, so they designed the fight around that

Doopliss is hiding a GameShark under his sheet

1:50 I swear that is the roblox oof sound

I knew I wasn’t the only one that noticed Doopliss didn’t copy Vivian’s attacks

I always mess up doopliss's name and see doolpiss

My pfp was Doopliss for the longest time, best character and best battle theme song in TTYD

The one where Doopliss still transforms as Mario and heals 10 HP if you kill him before he transforms into Mario is pretty neat. Nintendo considered the possibility that people would do that, and still made sure that Doopliss always transformed into Mario before the fight ended! Also, this video brought me a ton of nostalgia. I may buy the remake if I get enough money.

1) I wonder if some of this jank will be fixed in the remake 2) I wonder if some of the partner related jank is from them expecting you to have upgraded them, and thus when you don't you see that apparently stuff is hard-coded and not actually copied 3) Ms Mowz Love Slap.. maybe was supposed to be multi-hit? Like how the Mini Yoshi gets more hits as he is ranked up and Doopliss is inconsistent with the action command thus varied amount of hits

hey koop your videos inspired me to replay ttyd and i double super guarded hooktail on 1 hp and no life shroom and won the fight, didnt use the R badge either. thanks for the good vids

I actually noticed the partner badge oddity on my first playthrough. I was so confused.

That's Doo_liss to you, Slick!

Lets also note that Doopliss can do the most illegal thing in a paper mario game ever: Swapping out partners and attacking in the same turn without quickswap equipped, what a bad impersonator.

Doopliss be like ha I have your body Mario: 👊👊👊👊👊👊👊

Its kinda funny that you can just cheese the fight by not ever attacking his partners, considering goombella sucks at combat

What a strange, silly little guy

Intentional or not, I feel like, lore-wise, it’s pretty interesting that Doopliss’s copied moves deviate from Mario and his Partners. It seems that his copy ability has limits OR he’s something of an amateur or un-master level in a world of duplighosts when it concerns duplicating. Seeing as how he can’t copy the elemental side of attacks, fails certain actions commands, and doesn’t even *completely* match Mario in appearance. On the flipside, though, some of the more beneficial add-ons to attacks like Ms. Mowz’s triple slap, Mario’s one-shot jump, and impeccable action commands on certain partners may he the fact that he has improved since last encounter and can even alter the abilities with his own improvements to further guarantee success and prevention of previous mistakes. I also find it quite interesting that he doesn’t even use his hammer the next encounter, it’s almost as if he realizes that because it’s not separate from him, superguarding and payback items are punishing. Plus, the hammer itself is quite slow, predictable, heavy and pretty easy to counter. I just find it quite hilarious that Mario’s partners were with the Fake Mario and never even questioned the differences in his actions or even the fact that *HE COULD TALK* Another funny thing is that that Doopliss, a unique enemy and his own boss is an amateur in certain parts of his copying ability and yet, regular duplighosts in Paper Mario 64 guarding the icy castle were impeccable in every sense of copying the partners, and it’s because of their *perfect* and near-overdone impressions of the partners that it becomes obvious who is who. Sorry for the long comment, just my thoughts on the matter.

I really didnt knew he could also copy ur partners in chapter 8, I guess I never let him live enough to do that. But it surprises me that they programmed all 7 partners moves adapted to be in this in specific fight. That dedication and detail cant be seen in new games anymore.

I remember when I first played this goombella had multibonk and I didn't even unlock that move yet. Yeah clearly it's not based on Mario's current move set it's just made up. I would say maybe cause doopliss hasn't mastered Mario's body get kind of like in dragonball when ginyu switched bodies with Goku but couldn't tap into Goku's full potienal but obviously that wouldn't apply to goombella.

thank you king

I love Doopliss. He’s such a cutie! I mean, look at him! He’s adorable.

He ain't Slick.

I wonder if their stats really change if you cheat them to ultra rank...

You could test the badges only being checked at the beginning of the battle by having all your badges equipped and getting one stolen by a badge bandit?

6:26 Channeling his inner Cortez I guess

so are all of the transformations technically the same enemy? Shared HP suggest so but I wouldn't be surprised if it's technically swapping out to entirely distinct enemies in the code which is why something like the status doesn't carry over. Or maybe they just coded it to cleanse for simplicity.

Where's Stryder when we need him? lol what the hell is actually causing this?

Wrongamundo little nobody 😂

This video is crazy

0:45 You misspelt Doopliss as "Doopilss".

Because Doopliss's "partners" are "nerfed" in this battle, it is always quite refreshing knocking out the partners first and Doopliss by last.

at 2:40 yeah is sure that reason why she cant have the badge equip

Found a bug with the links. You post part 1 twice.

ラスボスとかにも化けることも出来るのかな？

super interesting things we discover for a game that i had 19 years ago as a child and never notice(not whole i mean) tough always knew doopliss stats was janky and unbalanced in both fights. Would be a New suscriber if I was Not a Suscriptor Already xD...

6:01 Yeah. I tried it out myself actually

Is the multihit Love Slap supposed to hint that the actual move is meant to be multihit and not shit? (The audience always boos Mz. Mouse for the love slap, so maybe..?)

So what happens if you defeat Doopliss before Vivian rejoins the fight? Idk if it's possible without some form of modding, but I'd be very curious to see it.

If by some miracle they remake this game they really have a lot of stuff to fix don't they?

doopliss is a doofuss when it comes to replicating attacks

can you explain why his music slaps so hard?

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