"Oddball" Navy & Artillery Lugers 

If memory serves me correctly the 1920 mark does not indicate it was reworked but was retained as part of the reduced inventory authorized by the Treaty of Versailles after WW1.

The real stamping tools was extensively used on thousands of gun, wearing off. A new fake tool will be used as sharp as it csn be on few guns

Oh I like that mismatch Navy with the grip notches. Still need a Luger in my collection. 🤣

Good video. OUT the name of the faker, it might save someone from being defrauded. O marked Mauser Navy owner here as well.

I love all the geeky details Tom always interesting with a touch of humour

I did learn a lot today. Thank you for your attention to detail on these fine Lugers.

Thanks for the great information! Always enjoy your videos! How about a video exclusively on Luftwaffe guns? Keep up the great work!

I`m not a collector but your videos are very educational and there fore sparks a high interest to me as I always enjoy those type of videos on things of interest to me. I never could get enough of gun and fishing magazines and even Popular Mechanics in the day before the internet. Still can`t get enough Thanks to you and Ian I have something of interest often.

Actually some U-Boat Captions & XO’s were known to notch their Lugers with the amount of ships sunk.

Was just looking at a Navy and knew it was fake because of this video. Thank you!

Great Video! Thank you for sharing this information.

You had me worried. I went and checked the Navy in my safe. It passes muster!

19:52 The tooling is a little rougher on the original. The cutters are probably a little dull and gulling instead of cutting clean.

a very instructive, interesting video, make more of this kind , thank. you !

Great video, my 1916 Navy passed all of the tests.

I think maybe the notches were to aid him in his grip of the gun. 😊😁

- Many of the fake 1916 and '17 Navies have been reworked to have the large flange pins. - The 1916 (and 1917s with s/n less than ~1000) will have smaller serial numbers on the front of the frame, the same size as the earlier long frame undated Navy lugers. - Somebody made a lot of those rear sights, they are readily available. - The '16 and '17 dated ones are much more commonly faked because the frames and receivers are the same as a P.08. - Ones with a newly made barrel are often missing the ring in the chamber. There are still a number of original barrels floating around, removed during the Weimar era and replaced with shorted 100mm P.08 barrels.

Thank you Tom!!

The Kriegsmarine had naval infantry units, some were involved in the final defense of Berlin, so you might be making assumptions about their combat experience that might not be true when considering the notches

Fascinating information!

Great info.

Maybe he marked the ships they were able to sink, it's a lot like the original wild west tradition. You make a mark for each "win" IDK sound better than marketing every patrol or fight, to me.

Normally the value of the guns and any antique is stablished on the condition of it, but, when you think about guns, helmets or any other military I would think that the most damaged would be the most valuable for the simple reason that it participated in more fights battles situations etc

I thumb'd up for the embellishments Tom 🤣🤪🤪

Man I would love for someone to make something like the Artillery luger maybe integrally suppressed.

All excellent guns kept in your vault (not for sale)

I am always wondering why Artillery and Navy Lugers have those longer barrels, what's the purpose of that? Greetings from the Netherlands. Mike

I have a buddy that has a Walther pp in 32 acp and a Ithaca 45 that his uncle bought back from WW2 he said he shot a German police with his 45 and took his Walther with holster and 2 clips it has a circle with a p inside of the circle on the left side of the frame behind the trigger it is German proofed marked holster and matching clip number so does that mean it is a police model it dates to late 41 to 42

The 1920 stamping should be Reichswehr property mark.

So old boy puts so much to detail but F's up the stamp?

Why is the artillery luger barrel so long??

The notches may be sunken ships? U Boat force?

This may go against the grain...but the workmanship in those counterfeit Lugers almost suggests a " sub culture for collectors...like those who follow famous painting counterfeiters ? Of course at no where near the correct value.

Thanks

Antique, Museum? Can you use it? test shot on target? Hm? O.K.

Yeah, maybe. It's certainly possible, I guess, that the WW 1 naval Luger was re-issued by the Kreigsmarine during WW 2, at some point, although I'd have to say that as 1942 was the high water mark for the National Socialist state, that seems to be an odd time for the Kreigsmarine to be scratching about for old, non-standard relics, to press into service. So, unless that's very well documented somehow, I'd say it's just as likely, if not more so, that the pistol was re-holstered, AFTER the war, rather than during.

The 1 and the two zeros in the 20:05 shot are entirely different, REAL The digit ONE has sharp squared ends on the serifs & the zeros are race track shaped with distinct parallel verticals FAKE The digit ONE has blunt ends on the serifs and the zeros are egg shaped eith no flat sides.

I have a Luger but don’t know what it is can you help me

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soberbia explicacion, me quito el sombreo, un saludo.

This guy seems to have a lot of stories of all stuff he is selling....so lot that I remember words of my passed away friend who was best antiquearms dealer in Scandinavia - he told me that people are buying illusions not guns. Look this holster....80-years old - no hell. All parts of leather are different colour. Somewhere the stiches are white and some where brown and if 80-years old holster don´t have any signs of use - it is not real deal. This guy is a regular storyteller - nothing else.