Netflix animated series Odin saw the future of Thor VS Jormungandr Serpent, Seid Kona use her power. The end of Paganism replaced by Christianity, Odin go to the present day. #twilightofthegods #anime #netflix
@ndo533 If you are implying that this is the basis for the trinity then you're joking. The trinity was there before the Norse. The trinity of Hinduism and some concepts from greek philosophy and roman religion are more comparable than this.
@@josephnarvaez9507 if you mean the concept of the trinity, then you’re correct. If you mean the concept of Christian trinity then you’re wrong bc the Poetic Edda dates back before the rise of Christianity
The best part of all this, is that Odin. In his 3 forms. Is terrified.Terrified of a God who is apparently defeated, but who he knows is more alive than ever Terrified because he knows he is going to lose the war, that he will be defeated and that he has no chance of defeating this new god And this new God does not see him with hatred, resentment or arrogance. Instead, seeing him terrified, he takes him with sweetness and feels compassion for him. The wise, the warrior, the powerful god who sought omnipotence with all his might. In the end he will be defeated by a loving god.
@@arsonistisgood5769 Who are you to deny the deeper message and/or feelings tied to this moment? You can choose to only see face value. Some of us see beyond this.
@@es8346 There is no single correct "understanding," otherwise religions would not have split into so many sects. If this "god" had wanted peace and no crimes to be committed in his name, he would have inspired an unambiguous text. Instead, all the deaths recounted have served as justification for all the Judeo-Christian and Islamic civilisations to commit their crimes. Even a little fellow like you, with the arrogance to believe you've understood better than the rest of humanity, cannot change the facts of history.
While all other Gods and Goddesses across Pantheons personified as Elements of the Cosmos themselves such as War, Lust, Wealth, Beauty, Luck, Fire, Storm, Death, Strength, Nature, Stars or Precognitions, none of them is more greater and all-powerful than *Love* itself, and Jesus Christ is Love. He represents Moral, compassion, and forgiveness. The goodness of all Humanity. *He is the Heart of God that took form of a man.* And Odin will ultimately lose.
Not just love, remember that the pharaoh was humbled by an eclipse, basically God outshining Ra. So Odin must be aware that God exists, that an all powerful being, existence itself made manifest exists. And instead of battling against it, it becomes human, frail, vulnerable, mortal, and shows him, Odin, compassion. He's not even a rival.
@@mansagarus9226 you will as Isaiah 45:23 23 Says By myself I have sworn; from my mouth has gone out in jrighteousness a word that shall not return: k‘To me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear allegiance.’1
Jesus also weilded a hammer (as he was a carpenter), had immense strength (took on punishment and carried the weight of the world) and is all wise and all knowing AND is the true All-Father.
Christ is the condensation of the all the gods, because He is the source of all. Due to that, he is able to judge them, which is exactly what he did at the Cross and the Resurrection. People who participate in His life (Christians) will also judge the gods (referred too as angels/principalities in scripture but same thing) and take their thrones, as Christ is putting all things under his feet. These are what Saints are. All those gods will be held to account and answer for the suffering and tyranny they have inflicted on humanity.
@@drooskie9525 Easy to say now that he is overthrown the other faiths. I'm pretty sure pagans certainly don't see Jesus as the source of all nor their gods as simples angels. As for judgement, who's going to judge the christian god for the numerous times he caused genocides ? The murder of children ? The razing of cities ? Who's going to judge him for all the sufferings and tyranny he inflicted on humanity ?
The All-Father. The God of 3 Minds. The Warrior, the Wanderer, the Wise. The Almighty. The God with 3 Prosopon. The Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit. One born of Treason and Scheming so that he and his son may live eternal. One born of Love and Mercy so that he and his son may share life eternal. Seeing the Christianization of the Norse will likely not be a primary focus of the show but notice how Leif is pursuing a more empathetic and merciful mindset and taking accountability for his past atrocities. Already there's a shift from ruthlessness to mercy.
This actually made me feel awestruck. Too often modern media portrays Norse Paganism as the protagonist with Christians being the villains, contradicting a lot of historical events to do so. Seeing Jesus paralleling Odin on the cross, then coming down from the cross to comfort him is not only accurate I think, but heartwarming. Even an arrogant man like Odin is forgiven by Lord Jesus.
@groovejester8325 I don't know. I've always felt like all the gods of every culture existed together at one point, and their strength depended on the number of mortal worshippers. When Christianity and Islam rose in their respective areas of the world, it caused many gods to lose their powers because people in the millions stopped worshipping them in favor of Jesus and Allah respectively.
“The story of Christ is simply a true myth:a myth working on us in the same way as the others, but with this tremendous difference that it really happened: and one must be content to accept it in the same way, remembering that it is God’s myth where the others are men’s myth: i.e., the pagan stories are god expressing himself through the minds of poets, using such images as He found there, while Christianity is God expressing himself through what we call ‘real things’” - C.S. Lewis.
It's Odin and christianity brought so much suffering to mankind, how can people be this narrow-minded? So many christians in history didn't even follow what Jesus tried to teach, they were greedy control freaks, not better than the vikings...
@@clarkabeast8136because his not made to be accurate, is just simple as that, is not a new things someone taking some character from a mythology and changing they for their story, exemple of that is Maxie Zeus from the batman comics. Besides every now and than theres a accurate depiction of thor and odin and other norse mythology character.
@@clarkabeast8136 This is nothing new you know. Each Generation, Each Mind, Each Individual, has his or her own take on everything. To say that even THIS version is at all accurate would be false.
@@stewystewymc3929 Same way He did in real life. Reveal himself to be the Son of God, die, ressurect, leave, indirectly lead a worldwide sweep againts pagan religions through his apostles, and then through his apostle's disciples and their disciples' disciples and so forth.
@@stewystewymc3929There is nothing ordinary about Jesus. He is the creator of the whole universe. And to answer your question he might drop a few suns, supernovas, blackholes on Odin...or he might just blink and make him disappear.😉
@@na-Baron Christianity did not defeat Asian religions. Shinto, Taoism, Hindu and Buddhism are still the minority religions in their territories. The replacement of paganism with Christianity and the failure of Christians to expand into Asia was due to politics. Jesus did not make any revolt, it was the Roman politics of that period that chose Christianity for its own purposes.
Funny is that Jesus Christ isn't a myth. He's a historical person that is much more realistic, and excessively historical than any gods that you'll perceive or any superstitious beliefs/deities you'll ever acknowledge. Even the atheist historian Bart D. Ehrman acknowledges His historicity in a very critical and historical observation and scrutinization in one of his books that he published. but, God bless you all.
@@gigachad.4632jesus did exist, but he was just some popular street preaching rabbi that started a cult. The divine version of him is a complete myth.
Funnily enough There COULD actually be a connection to Norse mythology and Christianity where after Ragnarok it’s said that there would be 2 mortal beings left, Lif and Lifthransir which could be the Norse names of Adam and Eve in this universe I could be wrong though
Remember most of the information we have on Norse mythos comes post-Christinization where historians often rewrote the stories to fit in with Christianity. Generally if something fits too well that means it's a fake.
Mythology Guy- there are 3 reasons why Sigrud won't go to Valhalla 1- You didn't died in battle, you got randomly stabbed by Loki 2- you are not holding your weapon while dying 3- your friend didn't make it to Valhalla as cursed weapon takes your soul
Lord Jesus Christ, the Only Begotten Son of God, born of the Father before all ages. God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, consubstantial with the Father; through him all things were made. For us men and for our salvation he came down from heaven, and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate of the Virgin Mary, and became man. For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate, he suffered death and was buried, and rose again on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures. He ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead and his kingdom will have no end.
@@TecnofanbooyIn the beginning was the word, the word became flesh and lived with men, Jesus is denoted as 'the word'. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.
Bro, time of Religion is over, get use to it. Yeshua would See his Chruches turn in to Dance Halls or Paintball Halls all over in the world, or what Priests do with young Boys while the Leaders of every single Church live like Kings, not poor.
Y'all these christians think they're an exception with that belief. It's obvious if we play by the bounds of this myth that a god's power is based on how many mortal worshippers they have. It would be Islam taking over Christianity lmao. I love how this shows implifies how one's fall led to one's rise and therefore continue the cycle to which these gods believed they were timeless.
But the according to the shows narrative the Islamic gods didn't fit the description or "didn't fit the bill" so to speak of what odin was trying to be, hence the three odins. odin the Wanderer, the Warrior and odin the wise. Jesus represented all three of these things in one body and living them out in his human life. He WANDERED around the Middle east/Mediterranean, He FOUGHT sin with the words of his Gospel which is considered a sword for the believers and Jesus was filled with so much WISDOM that he not only avoided the tricks of those that attempt to trick him or doubt himself but did so without succumbing to them at all ever, all which is something the Norse pantheon/Quran does not address/meet the criteria for. More importantly lastly, this part of Twilight of the gods simply represents what happened Historically. Norse beliefs were influenced by trading with islamics and etc mostly but were ultimately defeated by The Christian Beliefs back then and arguably now.
@@brianrobbie9323 It was a fact that Jesus did replace Odin due to the christianization of Scandinavian during the Medieval times. It really doesn't matter what one's did since it was on the basis of the show that a power of one is dependent on the amount of mortal worshippers. As I speak right now, Islam is spreading on the scandinavian region as well as atheism. This show didn't address it because it is currently true that Christianity is by far a larger portion of the population in the Scandinavia (or basically the director didn't want to touch that subject that deep yet due to his religious background)
@@arsonistisgood5769 islam in Scandinavia Is an infection tho. It's not the population that Is converting, there are islamist migrants moving in. They are not converting to another faith. They are invading. Btw i could care less about it so don't call me bad words cause i am just stating facts in simple terms😂
Yes, to manage ourselves in freedom under his laws which in essence are merely ten that can be summed up in two. Love the Lord and love thy neighbor as thyself.
[Jesus of Nazareth]: Technically, the Crucifixion was MUCH WORSE. It was a normal pole, in fact. Also, were they really like that and mine weren't? They were "barbarians" without morals and my devotees were "virtuous"? Very little of our wisdom survived, and much less was maintained in the sacred writings.
@@shadowx8145 Christianity is the main religion in Nordic Countries! ✝️ Jesus Saved us! Here in Faroe Islands we worship one Lord and that's Jesus Christ!
That never happened. Zack Snyder slipped Christ in there because it's his religion. You all should realise that everyone's soul comes from a different creator or source. There is no one creator.
If it was Allah or Buda nobody would have a problem. But when it comes to Jesus, the son of God who lisuffered for us (unlike the other two above) everyone complains that is propaganda, without seeing the deeper meaning of the scene (Odin the coward who was always hiding behind others meeting the true god that faced and beat Odins greatest fear: death
@@njord-krakenarnesson5096yep. The crusaders forced their beliefs onto north Europe. Then the Spaniards forced it onto the Americas and the Philippines. Everyone had their own beliefs and gods. I love theology and hearing stories of other creators. I believe all pantheons run parallel to the realm of man. I'm catholic but the Hebrew God didn't resonate with me. I agree with you, I feel like Zak Snyder is pushing Jesus because of Marvel's Thor. I do like that he's showing how Thor is. But he likes to party and joke around too. Zak is making him too serious I think.
In the show american gods during season 3 loki explains that gods change or experience a rebirth when the perceptions humans have of them change for example the romans and greek worshiped the same gods yet there names and identities have been changed it could be the case here as balder said thats gods are not individuals like mortals but are embodiment of aspects with him being thats of beauty and peace Thor being that of storms and rains the mythology says thats at the end of ragnarok baldur will return
No, but you’re not far off. The version of Norse mythology we have is based on the written accounts set down *centuries* after Christianity had thoroughly overwritten all lingering trace of the living Norse polytheistic tradition in Scandinavia, especially the myth of Ragnarok prior to the advent of Christianity. Unfortunately if there were any written accounts from the heyday of Norse polytheism recording their myths in the original forms they haven’t survived the centuries. Because of this we have no idea what the original myth (if there even was one) entailed about what would follow the final end, and the Christianized version has heavy tones of the new world that grows from Ragnarok is the Christian world where the influence of Jesus Christ makes a better realm than the one ruled by the trickster Odin, his homicidal son Thor, and all the other shenanigans polytheistic deities usually get up to. Zach Snyder being Zach Snyder and thus having the subtlety of a steroid-abusing crackhead when it comes to Christian symbolism, he turbo-charged the bejeesus out of this interpretation and makes it explicit that the death of the Aesir will make way for Christianity to pave their bones under the cobbles and conquer everything Odin ever knew.
@@TheDakkaman In my opinion the world would just be over. With Yggdrasil destroyed there would be nothing holding the realms together, it would just be the Ginnungagap As a reconstructionist norse heathen. Ragnarok has been so heavily Christianized we can't even really work off of it to find the original.
Mmm. Wrong. He isn't because he will come back for a second time to steep the world and purge it with either hyssop or in blood and fire. he will be the ultimate supreme form of reaper on Mankind.
Oh well he (Odin) will see them as what they are in truth, and will not say any words, but show a very...VERY angry expression despite a composed expression.
@vaderkurt7848 I'm not just speaking about the "Conversion" of Scandinavia, I also mean all other cultures that in some way have encountered Christianity. And were all of those conversion peaceful or non-violent (active and passiv violence)? If I may ask. However, to answer your questions, on the Conversion of Scandinavia, in Norway, it was more violent, while in Denmark conversion, if I remember correctly, it was more peaceful. Sweden, it took longest to convert, but eventually it became Christian. Suggest you look into it. That being said it would not be surprising if smaller scaled violence occurred during the Conversion of Scandinavia.
Well. Technically all "goodes", God's, are nothing but egregore technology. I am indeed coming to terms with this because I have never seen a God heal or restore it take care of someone...I don't really care anymore about it because like I could care but it would much less be somewhere along the line or would be or not. Wouldn't I have a choice not to care about the fellow suffering of mankind when I myself am suffering and cannot save or help others at all!? Or myself!? I was forced to acknowledge that life may be a mistake by the ancient ones or are products of advanced replication DNA/RNA humonxuli or golem technology of the ancient ones. What we see, view, get, or understand by our sensory organs is just what the forerunner or precursor races wanted us to see. Keep us weak and not strong. Divided and not conquered. That's what they explain when the Gods or "goods" see things in the future. It's already a given breakdown to expected or the understanding and knowledge that their creations will break down and implode later down the line.
Merlin (Nicol Williamson) from John Boorman's Excalibur (1981) "The days of our kind are numbered....The One God comes to drive out the many Gods." This scene itself and its imagery harkens to those words he spoke of to Morgan Le Fay. Zacks love for that masterpiece knows how to find ways to interconnect its elements into his projects and Twilight of the Gods is one of his finest works.
People clown on Snyder for Christian references in his work, but you'd be stupid if you didn't include it in a story about Norse Gods. It makes it more valid. Look at the MCU, they have Thor running around the Earth and nobody ever brings up the fact that there's a mythological god existing in modern world. It makes it feel toothless if you don't acknowledge the parallels of two religions.
@@shadowx8145 hence why I said MCU, not Marvel. The MCU is a poor, toothless imitation of the original material. Marvel Comics, unlike the MCU, acknowledged many times the problems which would arise if Thor was to exist in modern world. The best story involving that is a one-off comic where Thor converses with a dying priest on his deathbed, trying to comfort him after the priest told he struggled with his faith after he first met Thor.
@@antona.8659 Closest thing we got was in Agents of SHIELD where there was a former Asgardian warrior who lived among humans and the group of ambitious humans seek his Berserker staff that would empower them into superhuman beings like him.
Not gonna lie, this version of Odin is probably the best illustrated: A paranoid old man full of tricks dreading the day his time is finally up and afraid of being replaced with the next God in line. For a God that thrives off death and worship, it's a scary thought.
You mean he gets replaced by the true GOD , in the faith of Jesus all those “gods “ are fallen angels and or nephilim giants and their leaders are ofc satan so he just got a glimpse of his demise at the hands of Jesus
That's Odin alright. A lot of pop culture overly romanticizes him but in the end, Ragnarok is brought about because Odin, in his heart and soul, is a coward and weakling that surrounds himself with dumb brutes and murderous psychopaths.
@@aayewhyy Silly considering those "gods" have no idea of who fallen angels or nephilim or Satan even are, and that's just what Christians do to rationalize their God as the only one. Like claiming Zeus, Odin, or even Osiris were angels or giants is just silly.
@@EmptyMan000 sure they don’t , they are demons irl bud catch up to reality 😂🤣 it’s sad that you’d believe a pegan over GOD HIMSELF sayin it that’s tuff
Norse mythology will tell you a wonderful story and keep you on your happy way. On the other hand, christianity will keep you questioning your very fabric of reality.
The moment Norse mythology watched with horror, awe and admiration a new religion that would surpass it in everything... Christianity The day that the Odin watched with horror the four horsemen arrive at his lands... The Apocalypse swallowed up Ragnarok... 💀👹🤢🤐
First, he makes himself a target for Kratos, Buddha decides to fight for humanity in Record of Ragnarok, and now he's worried about a God who advocates peace.
The turning-point of mankind was when they switched the perspectives of divinity of nature, into divity of mankind itself. Instead of seeing "gods" from and of nature (thus fearing and worshipping mature), our species switched to seeing "god" from and of mankind itself. It was humanity removing themselves from nature and seeking to become their own god/divine. That's how we got to the monotheistic clergy of today, and worship people instead of places. The hubris of humanity.
Everyone is all tolerant when odin and buddha and allah are talked about or shown, but when Jesus is mentioned, everyone wants to reprimand us Christians in every way possible. 🤦♂ Just shows that Jesus actually is God.
@@ahdhwjdue8362 comparing oranges to potatoes His argument is about how every atheist, TV show, most mainstream music is against christianity and not against any other religion... almost as somebody behind the scenes doesn't like it.... Which is no proof in itself but when you have rich and powerful people doing all sorts of occult stuff and when places like bohemian Grove exist something should be suspicious to you
The ultimate war between The Nephilim - the giant children of fallen angels - and the superhumanly strong lords and ladies of mankind - now known as The Old Gods - was many worlds before Yeshua was crucified. And they are still remembered. I still get brief glimpses of that timeline now and again.
Jesus would look Middle-Eastern, brown skin with dark loose-curly hair. Native to the Levant, not European looking. At least they didn't give Jesus blond hair this time lol. And while Jesus might be "loving", old-testament or Torah Yahweh was war-like, storm-like, battle-father or "sky-father" of Israel (Yahweh originally being a son of the cannanite-orign father of all gods-El Elyon). And as like the old-testament to the new-testament, if one does not worship Jesus they are tortured by demons forever in the endless void, so not so much of a "loving" choice. Edit: in better translations of the Bible, those who do not worship Jesus do not go to “hell” but are “annihilated”, the “second death” or “true death” no afterlife/resurrection. Christianity in Europe & the non-"white" world, spread by warfare, violence & colonization. Africans in race-based-slavery by Christian-European Nations & Amerindians (especially children) tortured out of their culture in Civilizing-Church-Schools (etc). But Buddhism, Hinduism, Shintoism, including Abrahamic-religions who do not view Jesus as the son-of-Yahweh, & other religions would not only survive the Christian purge but thrive beside it/in-spite of it. PS: There are still Norse-polytheism worshipers to this day, its niche & small compared to the "world religions" obviously, but they do exist. Like Christian-extremism or Evangilcals in the "west", too many European-"pagan" spaces have a white-supremacy/nationalism problem. Edit: There are positives in Christianity but, their criticisms & negatives that shouldn’t be ignored or forgotten either.
Imagine being replaced by a mortal; one who knows no future, knows no war, knows no self indulgence, one who performed miracles but was never a force of nature, one who bears the world's sins on his shoulders and sacrifices himself to purge it, one who was once hated & scorned, one who loves unconditionally, one who is loved without fear.
@@zen7RZ they tend to call themselves god fearing, also in revelations he returns to kill most people then enslave the true believers, the Bible also says a lustful thought is the same as adultery and anger is the same as murder Jesus flipped the money changers table in anger so he committed murder in his heart breaking the whole lived a sinless life so he was a suitable sacrifice. He also said if you don't hate your life and your family you can be no follower of mine. He has also said I come not to bring peace but a sword. He has also said I've not come to break the law but fufil it so he supports all of yhwey's barbaric acts. Also if you insult the holy spirit you go to fire place no matter what god/Jesus aren't forgiving if you need a human sacrifice to forgive someone for their nature then... well calling that person messed up would be an understatement the other gods are tame in comparison.
@@ahdhwjdue8362 I think you're stretching things a little bit & taking things completely out of context. (I'm not religious myself & even I understand the New Testament) 1. The revelations speak of the soon to be damned being followers of false prophets and using God's name to commit blasphemy. Also where did you even figure that the righteous would be enslaved? Unless heaven on Earth & Eternal paradise is slavery according to you. 2. In God's eyes, all sins are equal, that was the point. And all sins can be forgiven if you seek God & self improvement. 3. Jesus was angered at the temple, the house of God, being turned into a marketplace. He was not a saint and prayed & repented like everyone else, for he was mortal. 4. He taught selflessness & living a life of humility and giving. Those dedicated to following him would dedicate their lives solely to him and spreading his teachings. 5. The sword text can easily be misinterpreted, but his coming would bring division, separate children from their parents and the ways of their household. Interestingly, that has been happening for ages now. 6. He was born and raised a Jew. His gripes were not with the laws & history of his culture, but the corruption in the religious leadership at the time. He came to wipe all sins and bring the Holy spirit to the world so that everyone can have access to God freely and individually. 7. Insulting any divine figure is blasphemy, obviously. That's a unanimous thing. Jesus IS God in the flesh. It was his grand selfless act to purge the world of sin. That bloody poetic. 8. The only God that's tame at all is Buddha. You clearly haven't explored the other mythologies if you think that Yahweh is more messed up. He's definitely had his moments in the Old Testament. But I doubt he'd even be on the competing list with other gods for that spot.
Christianity tanks a lot of hate from fans of this show. When in fact, the reason we have norse mythos to tell today is because of the Christian monks that learned the norse languages and their culture and made copies and preserved their texts throughout history. Christian monks did not worship the norse gods but they loved their norse bretheren and valued their culture. In doing so, many of the norse people willingly converted to Christianity due to the love they experienced from Jesus Christ and his disciples.
Everyone here treats Jesus and Odin two different people, but absolutely no one noticed the parallell between the two. Odin hung himself from a tree to gain knowledge, then was reborn to lead his people. Jesus was crucified to save others, then was reborn to lead his people. Odin is terrified because he knows that after he died, a new world will come which does not worship the Aesir anymore, but his reincarnated, peaceful, changed self. *Odin is afraid that he will be forgotten*
In a retrospective meta narrative aspect, this scene was absolutely perfect. Christianity was the thing that killed the norse gods at the end in a sense, and independently of what else was going to eventually replace Odin, the fact that is a god who opposes most of his goals and attributions is very fitting
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I understood its meaning: it is about Jesus being the only god remembered by everyone and about Odin and the Norse gods being forgotten by people when the Norse era and their reign ends since they are pagan gods and Jesus Christ is the only true and almighty god.
