it is called a suggestion (on my part)... and an act of good faith to their loyal customers (on theirs). I never implied they are obligated to do so... but I would've bought it without even trying it had they OFFERED such a bargain to owners of all their other plugins @@DJarvisOfficial
The GUI is top notch as is the EQ, but there is a big problem applying it to speech. Bloom boosts and attenuates where you would expect it to, but the amounts that it is boosting and attenuating are way off. For instance, it doesn't attenuate anywhere near enough in the lows which results in the mud remaining and it is boosting around 1k way too much on a file that I was using for testing. The boosting around 1k results in a nasaly sound. Given that there are no presets for speech, I'm wondering if it isn't intended for speech?
Excellent work. However, you didn’t read the room well according to the comments here. You should have considered a discount for existing users of your other plugins. Even 15% would move the needle for a lot of us. I’m waiting until there’s a sale.
I rather support a company I like and pay the full price if I like the product. That way, they will keep up te work and get the deserved reward for their work. Most people probably prefer get paid fully each time instead of getting less each time they go to work ;)
@@tidalwavestudio Good for you, but even a 20% discount for loyal customers wont break their bank. Their plugins are priced higher than most and they've made a lot of money already, so they could afford to give this way if they really wanted. If you want to feed greed that's your choice.
@@tidalwavestudio nah they’d get more sales if it was cheaper, hence earn more, it’s software they can sell as many copy’s as they want they’re not loosing profit. People are just more likely to pirate it if it’s overpriced
@@patrick5301 so all their clients are here? I saw comments that share my view with a lot of likes... but don't you think that if they only had 100 customers, they would need the full price even more? How could they ever make living and produce more cool stuff, if no-one is willing to pay? As I said, I rather pay full price and show my appreciation for a product I use every day, than being penurious and egoistic. I guess we agree to disagree. have a nice day, cheers!
@@ancestralvision looks pretty much the same from first glance but you have more control on the emphasis bloom has on certain frequency ranges. I already have Gulfoss but I’ll prob get this if it goes on sale.
It’s similar to Gulfoss until you get into squashing and even the algorithm seems different in a good way. I have Gulfoss and use it often and will be demoing Bloom.
Very nice I shall have to try it out. I wonder how it performs for cleaning up sound design like room tones, or overly resonant sounds like when you put a sound through a weird ir filter
what is the big difference between ProAudio DSP Spectral Mapper and the different criteria from a multiband Expander/Compressor?? I do not see here something like plugins like MO-TT and others can not do... but I have to try it....
companies are stupid to try to rack in as much as they can on initial profits by increasing the price... if the plugin was 50$ they would have hundreds of thousands more people buying it, while the plugin would be cheaper, i guarantee they would make more overall.
@krisissupercool1 100%, its not rocket science. Why are they not realizing that? Someone who is coding epic shit like this must be intelligent though? But this is just a stupid move and will hurt their name..
Guys they are really just harvesting the early adopters and highend professionals that dont care about the price, cause this to them is just a big timesaver, and are going to drop sales in a month or two for the amateurs. At the end of the day 95% of what this does is achievable with manual labor. If you dont do music professional and time isnt money then you also dont really need this. Its a convenience plugin and by no means irreplacable.
Is there a delta mode like soothe and spiff? Legit the cleanest and most useful tool from Oeksound. I love hearing the difference to dial in the settings.
How generous of you. I'd rather pay a high-ish price once than be pestered with recurring subscription costs. I have Soothe 2 on almost each track, and it performs small miracles. Well worth the investment.
The way I see it, this will get rid of troublesome frequencies and get you a "flatter" sound, but if you want to make certain frequencies stand out in your overall mix, that's when it's time to add on an EQ.
I understand the lack of loyalty discount, but no intro price is a bit, err… brave. There is so much choice for these kinds of plugins and so many intros and sales, devs must be either super confident this is head and shoulders above the competition or just so rich they don’t need the income, because you need to be competitive to survive in this market. I would like to get this but I’d want at least a 25% intro discount to feel like I’m not being treated like a mug.
@@ScottThePiscesthis is 1000% better and more versatile than Gulfos. It sounds more classy and is much much better at analysing and applying very nice dynamic EQ adjustments. It's also much more dynamic and adds exciting movement to the sound
I’ll be using Bloom for main mixing and sound crafting. Then EQ for cutting and Saturation for any extra coloration. Bloom is also really fun to use. I am sure I will still use Gulfoss for masterbuss the mastering version. Bloom makes it so using dynamic eqing isn’t as needed. It’s also fast to use and time is money. Makes creating more of a joy and mixing less of a chore (I do not enjoy mixing but being creative).
@@ieatthighsbecause they are little p*says who wanna have loyalty discount because they bought one or two plugins from the company. But they won’t get angry if a company wants the same amount for the second studio monitor as for the first 🤔
it’s a similar idea but (and i love gullfoss) bloom can be pushed way further while still sounding completely transparent. on paper they’re similar but in use very different!!!
I've used both and I can get satisfying results a lot faster with Gullfoss. It's also somewhat more true to the source to my ears, but that may be just because of how I tweak them. Bloom takes longer for me to dial in, so I still use Gullfoss 95% of the time. At this point, I only use bloom on minor tracks in a mix when I can relax a bit, get some practice with it and see what I can do. Otherwise, it's go go go with Gullfoss.
Having purchased Spiff and Soothe, I am also surprised that even a small discount for loyal customers has not been offered. This is pretty much the industry standard. As there are several similar plugins now, the argument can not be made that they are entirely unique.
@@carstensorensen154 Exactly. SoundToys offered great discounts for having Lil Radiator and Lil Plate, which were free plugins. I had downloaded their freebies for Black Friday the past couple years and this past year I finally pulled the trigger and bought the whole suite and they rewarded me for even using their free products.
ya'll are mad that they didn't immediately discount their brand new plugin? Why do people act so spoiled these days. if you don't have the money, don't buy it - if they don't sell enough for their bottom line they will drop price, otherwise why would they? That's how capitalism works. This plugin looks like it took a ridiculous amount of time and tech to make and it looks incredible. You want them to give it away for pennies out of the gate? This is like me getting mad at the grocery store for not discounting my milk because I buy a gallon from them every week 😂
Pennies? $100 USD would be more than fair for this -- and they're charging double that. It's a digital product, your comparison to a perishable, physical product like milk is so off the mark it's hilarious. Shills gonna shill though.
@@Skrenjaif it’s too expensive for you you can just not buy it dude. You don’t have to go on a complain campaign. Go learn to code your own plugins and give them away if you want. They’re a small company, if they don’t sell enough to keep the business afloat that’s their problem but clearly they’re doing alright with their current business model! And call me a shill if you want, but I haven’t even bought this plugin because I personally don’t feel I need it but I’m also not complaining about it.
Unpopular opinion: I think they don’t need to give a discount to me just because I have Soothe. I also think they can charge whatever they want, regardless of whether I can afford it or not. Considering it’s probably the most versatile and useful plugin I’d have for production and mixing, there’s a really high value associated with that. Yall need to stop asking for handouts. IMHO
@@Shaka178 "people are too entitled" my brother in christ it is $209. people aren't asking for 50% off they just want it to be like $30 cheaper or something. plus anyone who wants a discount is clearly planning on buying it anyways stop crying about it lol
So, you go to a store, you buy a tomato, then the next day you get some onions. Do you expect the store to give you a discount the next day you buy a potato? If you don't like the price, then don't buy it, and maybe get an alternative. Or you can also learn mixing to replicate what Bloom does, without having to purchase it. "This is very disappointing mimimimi"
It’s truly bizarre that a lot of folks are acting as if Oeksound is some unproven company, soothe changed the game. $209 isn’t cheap but let’s be honest, this isn’t a cheap hobby by any means
@@zechs5079 Me too! I own both of them. I was truly excited about this last month. But today I am really disappointed when I see there's no discount for loyal customers.
I know subscription services are kinda sus for plugins….but if you guys did one for like $30 a month even (that’s a lot but people would pay it), you would be drowned in dollar bills. For real, you’d be bringing in a couple mill a month easy….cause people are dumb (including me) and would rather pay 20-30 a month than 200 once.
You guys make outstanding plugins, but they are WAY too expensive. Soothe2 should be half the price it is. You would probably make _more_ money if you sold your plugins for less. Most producers I know are extremely hesitant to spend $200 USD on a single plugin that does one thing. (Excluding synths.)
I'd never pay 200 for a plugin like this. Bought serum for 160 and thats a synth that I consider a much higher bang for buck. I have all soothe alternatives, but I'd never pay 200 for soothe or bloom.
Yeah, DSEQ3 is under 100 bucks after tax and it's fantastic. Literally the day after I bought it I found out about the free Spectral Compressor Au5 recently reviewed and kicked myself in the butt. Can we all be honest? How many of us are rolling in dough from making music? For most it's an aspirational hobby and 200 bucks cannot be justified when literally regular eq or even the free TDR nova would suffice.
What if we want to do tone shaping more without squash? I just want the tone shaping option, I don't need compression. It's a very expensive 209$ plugin. It should at least give users the option to bypass compression :)
I'm very surprised by the reactions on the price & loyalty discounts etc. I'm amazed they kept it at their standard pricing considering world inflation and other influences on costs for anything and everything. Bloom goes beyond similar plugin's for me.
I'm very not surprised by the reaction. Almost every major plugin maker gives discounts to loyal customers of their products. I bought licenses for both Soothe and Spiff and I expected them to have a discount for current users. I'm just familiar with the culture of discounts, but I don't mind (and understand) Oeksound's view as to why they don't offer it. Meh, they don't even have an account login on their page.
In fact most of people who are interested in this plugin already own something similar and almost the same plugin whatever it is. But they are interested in this because they make good products like soothe 2 and spiff. And they already know that it will do great job but that is not the must plugin for them just because of the price.
I use spiff and soothe 2 all the time. The move from soothe 1 to 2 was already questionable because soothe 2 actually did what soothe 1 should've, but never could. Now this super expensive release disregarding my loyalty (even if i had to buy soothe twice to get it to work once, never again touched soothe 1 after 2's release) is disconcerting enough to make me want to shell out the 80€ for the upgrade offer on Ozone advanced, clarity and rebalance can get to a similar result.
This plugin may very well be worth the $209 price tag but the problem is many of us already have similar plugins. Soothe was different because there was nothing else like it (and it still doesn’t have any real competition) so I felt it was worth the price. I just can’t justify shelling out the $209 for something slightly different than a couple other plugins I have.
No intro sale or loyalty discounts? Guys your plugins are really expensive. Not saying that's wrong or not worth the money to some but I think you need to realize that $200 is a whole lot of money for some people, especially for a piece of software! I can buy some 500 series hardware for about the same price and that will last me forever no matter what OS or computer I use. I understand all about development costs. I beta test for several large developers. So don't make it about that. You would sell A WHOLE lot more of this plugin if you lowered the price by $100. At least do an intro sale! You could put all your plugins on sale to celebrate. If you cared about the community, that's what you would do. In my opinion this is not worth $200. It's worth $100 but not $200. At the very minimum give us a rent-to-own option like most of the other companies making super expensive plugins do. I'm not even saying this for myself lol! I earn a living using plugins and hardware so my tools pay for themselves. I'm saying this for a majority of the users who do this as a hobby for the most part. $200 is a lot of money for those people.
@@Rannument Crazy right! What's even more crazy is when you think about the fact that you can buy some pretty decent HARDWARE for the same price or even less lol. You don't even own a piece of software! You purchase a license to be able to use it lol. I like their plugins just fine but they are way to expensive. I tried the demo, not worth the price in my opinion. That's not to say it's not a great tool, it is. However for that price the software better BLOW ME AWAY! This certainly did not. I just wish they would be more realistic. They price people out. They make it sound like they are doing us a favor but not offering a loyalty or intro sale when in fact, because of their pricing, they are actually being gate keepers! They are saying, "we know it's expensive and we don't care. Only those who can afford it are worthy of using it" haha! When IN FACT this plugin is geared WAY more towards beginners than professionals in my opinion. Most beginners can't afford this kind of pricetag. My plugins pay for themselves so I'm not just complaining because I can't afford it because I can. I'm trying to be a voice for those who can't. It's sad really. This much money for an audio plugin SMH! 👎🏻
I agree it’s expensive (probably too expensive) but I’ve tested it quite extensively and I have to say the squash function and the way it works WITH the tonal shaping is what makes this unique. I’m not exactly sure how it all works but you can tell every single component works together in harmony. I have gulfoss, ozone etc too but I believe it’s fair that if you offer something unique to the market you can set yourself apart price wise too. In this case, it sounds unique & that squash function mannnnn. Anyways, I’m also trying to make myself feel better about spending over 300 CAD on this 😂 but I truly love what this thing does.
I use multiple instances of soothe on every project. Frankly, it's a miracle worker. Bloom looks incredible and will likely be similarly indispensable. Looking very forward to trying this today.
Also this is similar to "equalizer" from waves factory, which could've been acquired with loyalty and intro prices for and 60€. Your total revenue from this price point is off, I'll wait until (and if) it becomes more reasonable and i believe lots of customers will wait too.
If you compare Equalizer to Bloom applied to speech then you'll see that Equalizer works well and can be configured (relative amounts to boost and attenuate by). Bloom doesn't boost and attenuate by anywhere near the correct amounts which leaves mud and creates a nasaly sound. I'm hoping oaksound are able to fix it for speech.
The UI thinking and detailed design level thinking you all apply is second to none! Amazing, congratulations on another clearly earth shattering genius tool.
@@patrick5301 it’s honestly ridiculous. I don’t care about if you as a company believe the price matched the quality. Cool. But it is clinically insane to expect $400 purchases each time they release a new plugin even for long-time customers. Like Jesus Christ, not even a tiny 10% discount??
Thank you for asking. There is no loyalty discount for Bloom, because we believe in the value of the product, and it’s up to the user to decide whether their experience matches the value. We don’t think owning our previous plug-ins is a good reason for buying Bloom. We encourage everyone to use the 20-day trial license to demo the plug-in and see if it’s worth the price.
@@oeksound Good answer. A lot of the major plugin developers today are devaluing their products massively with the ever ongoing sales they push out. However I do appreciate e.g. Fabfilter's loyalty program as a pricing strategy.
@@oeksound It's not about the putative conviction that owning one or both of your previous plug-ins entitles the respective customer to ownership of your portfolio's newest addition, but about rewarding brand loyalty and people's support of Oeksound thus far. Your response comes off as complacent and a string of euphemisms reprimanding your fanbase for legitimately inquiring about a discount.
Geez. The sense of entitlement displayed by some folks here is breathtaking. It’s a new product. It would be nice if they threw people a bone (if only to head off all of the whining), but they don’t have to.
@@Skrenja Thank you for the comment. I don't disagree with you. It is expensive. I'm not sure I will be buying it. My comment had more to do with the "I spent money with them once and they owe me something" mentality. They don't. If they choose to do something, that's great and I'd gladly take it. But they don't HAVE to do anything of the sort, and a number of folks act as if Oeksound did something shady or disrespectful because they aren't giving 'loyalty discounts' or whatever you want to call it. It smacks of a sense of entitlement. Spending money with a company does not entitle you to anything beyond stuff related to what you purchased. Personally, I think it was a misstep not to offer an intro price, but it isn't my business. I can only choose to be a customer or not.
Look I also think $200 is a bit on the high side for dynamic multiband compression but you're also paying for their effort and their design ethos. Idk where the idea of loyalty is coming from but Oeksound (and any other plugin company) wants your money first and for you to make music second, and that'll always be the case because they're a company. Weird energy in the comments of thos video.
@@valuerie... and your shill response is just as annoying. This isn't a mastering suite or some insane software synth. $200 USD is too expensive for any single plugin that isn't either of those things.
@@Skrenja There's absolutely free software that will do this or enable you to create something that does this. Someone completely remade Soothe 2 in a DAW I'd never heard of. I just think it's weird how many people are specifically saying that because they bought Spiff and Soothe they should get a discount.
It’s obviously what people are used to. Not saying it’s a good or bad thing. It’s just common practice these days. Undeniably a brilliant plugin- by the looks n sounds- but there are so many other plugins out there that do amazing things too, that are a fraction of the price and in some cases free. Ultimately, if it was a few crying out for a customer loyalty deal, then it wouldn’t be a thing. But there is a chorus asking! Like I said, doesn’t make it good or bad. Just maybe something to consider. A lot of these companies that run these discount deals and promotions do so because they understand that creators are being squeezed in these times but are still passionate about continuing to make music. So they help facilitate this, which of course comes back around as good will and loyalty from new and existing supporters. Ultimately a sad reflection of the times we are in. No one seems to be saying the plugin is not worth it. Instead it seems to be about most wanting it but not being able to stretch to such a price at this time.
