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Off Grid Inverters - Pure Sine Wave vs Modified Sine Wave 

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In this video, I will demonstrate some of the differences between a pure sine wave inverter and a modified sine wave inverter. I talk about the differences, various uses of these two types of off-grid inverters, and when I prefer to use each one.

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@Coxfame
@Coxfame Год назад
Hi mate. I do use a 3000w modified inverter to powerup corded tools like air compressor, saws, charging cordless tools batteries, etc like at ranch or where power isn't available. I'm debating to buy buy for home tvs and cameras when there's a power outage.
@shoestringprep
@shoestringprep Год назад
Many electronic devices the manuals will say use a pure sine wave so before you do that please check the manual for the equipment you have. Other than that it sounds like a great idea. Thanks for your comment
@erebostd
@erebostd 3 года назад
The „pure“ sine ones are mostly modified, too, just with more steps. You can see it on an oscilloscope, especially under load. For everything other then medical equipment a modified is more then enough, as you said😉👍
@shoestringprep
@shoestringprep 3 года назад
Thanks for your comment
@miguelsalami
@miguelsalami 2 месяца назад
I have a 900/1800 watt Power Bright Modified Sine wave inverter. I'm interested to see what all it will run in my detached garage that has no electricity. Hoping to run some LED lights, a fan & mini fridge with 200 watts of Solar & 100ah Power Queen battery.
@shoestringprep
@shoestringprep 2 месяца назад
The lights and fan will be OK, but I dont know how much power that mini fridge will draw. Good luck on your project. Let me know how it works. Thank you for your comment.
@miguelsalami
@miguelsalami 2 месяца назад
@@shoestringprep Will do my plan is to later purchase a 3500/7000 watt pure sine wave inverter with a total of 600 watts of solar panels & two 100ah lipo4 batteries. Will have to make you a video once everything is installed.
@shoestringprep
@shoestringprep 2 месяца назад
@@miguelsalami I would love to see the video. Thanks
@jasonbroom7147
@jasonbroom7147 3 года назад
You did not demonstrate the differences between a PSW and a MSW inverter. For that, you'd need an oscilloscope. You did not measure efficiency in any way, shape or form. For that you'd need a simple Kill-A-Watt meter, at the very least. You demonstrated how one type of load runs off of those types of inverters, and you picked a load that is least likely to be damaged by using a MSW inverter. The bottom line is very simple: You use a PSW inverter unless you simply cannot afford one. If that is the case, you should think long and hard about how you go about charging and powering sensitive electronic devices...or you'll be replacing those expensive devices because you were too cheap to buy a good inverter. That is a classic case of being penny wise and pound foolish. At the very least you could have shown how going from the MSW to a power conditioner and then to the fan eliminates the noise caused by the motor not getting a steady, 60 hertz cycle from the inverter. Ask anyone who has worked in professional audio production about power conditioning to eliminate hum and you'll quickly understand how a cheap, $100 conditioner can protect your very expensive audio equipment from "dirty" power sources...like a MSW inverter.
@shoestringprep
@shoestringprep 3 года назад
I was simply explaining the difference between a pure sine wave and a modified sine wave for beginners. Thanks for your comment
@my2cents645
@my2cents645 Год назад
What does a UPS system for computers produce? That should tell you there if electronics can handle the square. I ran a big screen TV and receiver off a lawn and garden battery for 4 hours at least using a 140 watt inverter that plugs into a cigarette lighter. Get em at the auto parts store. Whats that putting out? Mechanical motors do complain but being an X HVAC reject, a short time on one is not extending its life I put it that way. Try a refrigerator or a small window AC from house current then inverter and see.
@ramlinman2004
@ramlinman2004 2 года назад
Hi Shoestring, could you please do a video of using an electric blanket on inverter? I bought a sunbeam electric throw at Wally world over the winter and hooked it up to my hf 750 watt modified inverter and it toasted the controller on the electric blankets. I've ordered a pure sine wave 2000 watt inverter to see if it helps? It will be hooked up to three 122ah each deep cycle lead acid batteries...love your videos.
@shoestringprep
@shoestringprep 2 года назад
I will add this to my future video list. Thanks for your kind words and comment.
@shoestringprep
@shoestringprep 2 года назад
By the way remember not to use wet lead acid batteries in doors It produces fumes.
@burwillklazen7889
@burwillklazen7889 2 года назад
Hi. Is possible to use pure sine and modified inverter in parallel.
@shoestringprep
@shoestringprep 2 года назад
I would not use a modified and a pure wave at the same time. I'm not even sure how you would put two inverters in parallel. Thanks for your comment.
@burwillklazen7889
@burwillklazen7889 2 года назад
@@shoestringprep Noted with thanks.
@splitarrow1
@splitarrow1 2 года назад
It’s hard to hear the difference over you talking…
@shoestringprep
@shoestringprep 2 года назад
Thanks for your comment.
@nyfalcon1
@nyfalcon1 3 года назад
Thanks for the video. You keep saying modified signwave. No idea what that means
@shoestringprep
@shoestringprep 3 года назад
Pure sine wave is the form electricity takes when it enters your house. A modified sine wave is an inverter's attempt to duplicate the pure sine wave but doesn't get it quite right. Thank you for your comment.
@ilijazafirov4192
@ilijazafirov4192 4 месяца назад
great video, it was good to learn the difference
@shoestringprep
@shoestringprep 4 месяца назад
Thanks for your comment.
@ffces153
@ffces153 3 года назад
Thank you for taking your time and showing RU-vid! BTW I work at Gallo Winery and we make New Amsterdam in our Spirits Dept.
@shoestringprep
@shoestringprep 3 года назад
Thanks for your comment
@johnl3239
@johnl3239 3 года назад
Why not run the inverters thru a Kill A Watt meter and measure the actual efficiency?
@shoestringprep
@shoestringprep 3 года назад
Thanks for your comment.
@donbrloks3959
@donbrloks3959 2 года назад
I have used two Kill A Watt meters on a 1000 watt MSW inverter. Both got super hot. Not sure why, but I had to disconnect before serious damage could occur.
@shoestringprep
@shoestringprep 2 года назад
@@donbrloks3959 that is very odd. I have not had that happen. If you figure out why please let us know. Thanks for your comment
@YouTube-Spinx
@YouTube-Spinx 2 месяца назад
There are one big question and a lot of a lot of rumors out there that make me confused. Will the modified sine wave damage the fan motor in the long run? I read a lot stating that modified sine waves should only be used in non-motor equipment. Yes, a modified sine wave will run a fan motor, but it will damage it in the long run. Is it true?
@shoestringprep
@shoestringprep 2 месяца назад
Yes, a modified sine wave does damage a motor over time. Thanks for your comment.
@notyoung
@notyoung 3 года назад
Some power tool battery chargers (my Ryobi 40 volt charger, specifically) say "Do NOT use on modified sine wave power". That may apply to any tool charger over 12 volts - check the manual(s) for your charger(s).
@shoestringprep
@shoestringprep 3 года назад
I agree. Always read and follow your manual's instructions. Thank you for your comment.
@diysolaradventures7894
@diysolaradventures7894 2 года назад
Can i use a modified inverter with my led grow lights i found good deal on a 3000w modified inverter
@shoestringprep
@shoestringprep 2 года назад
I use a modified sine wave with my LED lights. And are still running after a year-and-a-half. Thanks for your comment.
@aamiddel8646
@aamiddel8646 3 года назад
Theoretical the modifies sine wave is less efficient in a motor. However your test does not prove that at all. Or did you measure for instance the windspeed vs the power draw? The question remains how modified sine wave inverter performs with for instance a switching power supply (like for a laptop).
@shoestringprep
@shoestringprep 3 года назад
I did not measure the output of the fan, such as wind speed. The laptops do charge slower when on a modified sine wave, and often make a buzzing or humming sound. However, as far as I can tell, the laptop is not harmed by the use of the modified sine wave. Thanks for your comment.
@aamiddel8646
@aamiddel8646 3 года назад
@@shoestringprep Thanks for the response.
@chichovolcan
@chichovolcan 2 года назад
I'm looking for pure sine wave inverter, wich brand do you recommend for 7000w?
@shoestringprep
@shoestringprep 2 года назад
I would recommend the Aims models. They have always worked well for me. Let me know what you pick. Thank you for your comment.
@kingjameswilliamhowitt
@kingjameswilliamhowitt 2 года назад
can you use a 12 gague wire to connect to your car battery, and will it be safe to use with out killing your battery, or starting a fire?
@shoestringprep
@shoestringprep 2 года назад
12 gauge wire will handle up to 20 amps. If you keep your usage at 20 amps or under you will be fine. Thanks for your comment.
@kingjameswilliamhowitt
@kingjameswilliamhowitt 2 года назад
@@shoestringprep it seems to be working ok, I have the same one in this video and it says it is only using 14 vaults it has two 35 amp fuses in it. i am glad it has an on off switch so it wont kill the battery. thankyou for your help.
@the_rubbish_bin
@the_rubbish_bin 3 года назад
How are you measuring efficiency?
@shoestringprep
@shoestringprep 3 года назад
In this video, I was showing utility, and didn't test efficiency. Thanks for your comment.
@the_rubbish_bin
@the_rubbish_bin 3 года назад
@@shoestringprep okay I am genuinely curious if the pure sign uses a little less juice for the same load. Ie: more runtime. I guess you would have to compare 2 of the same wattage to be fair...
@shoestringprep
@shoestringprep 3 года назад
I may do a video on that in the future. Thanks for the comment
@GuitarG123
@GuitarG123 Год назад
Great informative video,can you tell me if the extra noise from using the modified sine wave inverter is coming from the inverter or the fan?
@shoestringprep
@shoestringprep Год назад
The noise is coming from the fan. Thanks for your comment.
@GuitarG123
@GuitarG123 Год назад
@@shoestringprep Thanks for this,Iam using a cheap modified sound wave inverter to power a class D guitar amp but the fan on the inverter runs continually and with a high pitch.Do you know any inverters that cooling fan only turns on when needed?Amp is only drawing 30watts and inverter is 500w
@shoestringprep
@shoestringprep Год назад
@@GuitarG123 some small inverters the fan fund all the time. Thanks for your comment.
@thewheelchairprepper8070
@thewheelchairprepper8070 Год назад
GREAT DEMO VIDEO...Many electronic devices manuals will say to use only a pure sine wave ...they are very sensitive and need clean sine wave for power.👍
@shoestringprep
@shoestringprep Год назад
I agree many electronic devices and sensitive medical equipment requires pure sine wave inverters. Thanks for your comment.
@elixier33
@elixier33 6 месяцев назад
​@@shoestringprepmostly any electrical device that uses low power including medical equipment will simply Clean the voltage up first. If it's medical equipment it definitely has to be able to put up with interruptions to power and maybe less than desirable power conditions from all that equipment being plugged into the hospital as well as any backup generator power that they may need to deal with.
@shoestringprep
@shoestringprep 6 месяцев назад
@@elixier33 thanks for your comment.
@quickcheck4658
@quickcheck4658 3 года назад
Thanks babe
@shoestringprep
@shoestringprep 3 года назад
Thanks for the comment
@davidpotter9462
@davidpotter9462 3 года назад
I use a 24 volts Aims 2000 watts inverter / charger...it is a pure sine and works great ; the only thing is the idling current is 26 watts, so sometimes if I just have a small load I use the 410 watt modified sine inverter...in two weeks I will get two more batteries...that will be 16 lol...every time I add two more it acts differently...in a couple months I will have a hard decision to make ; whether to get two more or not...the 14 that I have now are at 24.2 volts this morning...it's getting to be later before they start charging now , around 7 AM...
@shoestringprep
@shoestringprep 3 года назад
It's always true that the more batteries in the system, the longer it will take to charge. Thank you for your comment.
@shep6123
@shep6123 Год назад
Thank you I didn’t know any thing different with them but I do like the blue one with the wave I did I don’t understand it but that was a good test I like it thank you now I know what kind of converter
@shoestringprep
@shoestringprep Год назад
You are welcome. Thanks for your comment.
@C.A.MARSUPIAL
@C.A.MARSUPIAL 10 месяцев назад
Have you run a LCD off a modified sine wave. Thanks
@shoestringprep
@shoestringprep 10 месяцев назад
I have run different types of equipment with LCD displays off a modified sine wave. Hope that answers your question. Thanks for your comment.
@georgesmith5367
@georgesmith5367 2 года назад
Please come up with figures.
@shoestringprep
@shoestringprep 2 года назад
I was demonstrating the difference between a modified sine wave and it pure sine wave. I was not testing them to give any kind of figures. Thanks for your comment.
@ThinkSimply
@ThinkSimply 6 месяцев назад
sold. thank you
@shoestringprep
@shoestringprep 5 месяцев назад
Thanks for your comment.
@divergentthg7925
@divergentthg7925 3 года назад
😎
@shoestringprep
@shoestringprep 3 года назад
Thanks for your comment
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