Off the Shelf Cheap Honey Bee Patty Mix - April 4 2020 

Hmmm....I’m not so sure you aren’t a researcher Ian. You talk and think and act like one. You don’t need degrees to be a beekeeper AND a researcher. In fact, beekeeping in its very nature seems to call to people who aren’t afraid to seek knowledge. Perhaps the difference between a beekeeper and a bee hobbyist is the difference between wanting to seek out information on your own, and following information someone else has found. Trust me, I’m not knocking the bee hobbyist who follows, everyone starts somewhere. But regardless of the size of your apiary, I think you definitely move beyond hobby when you start asking your own questions, and finding your own answers. Perhaps one day you and the crazy beekeeper from New Brunswick will co-author a paper on patties? The possibilities exist. Now go feed your girls some magic!

Hello Ian I'm sure you have a magic reciep,but to be honest theres a lot more going on with all your hard work,Im surprised and happy to see all that sucess!! Thanks for sharing your knollege with us👍

What is with all this "in confidence with the chef" stuff? Are you retailing this supplement? Why would you not want to share this recipe with fellow beekeepers?

Gréât vidéo. As usual. I am adding organic canola oil , apple cider vinegar and vitamin C powder to my mix, which it’s base is ultra bee. They seem to be eating it down well. Completely agree, this isn’t replacing what nature provides, simply augmenting what they have if they don’t have as much as they need due to climatic differences. I know Mike Palmer uses a mortar mixer, I am fairly pleased with the plasters mixer I bought, but man you got to hold on to It tight! It’s like wrestling!! Interested to hear what your other ingredients are when your permitted to disclose. It’s all very exciting. Great video. Your content there was really great! 💥💯🐝🐝🐝

I mixed in some coconut, avocado, palm, and virgin olive oil (all cold pressed) for the most natural of fats. this worked well added to my ultra bee patties. I will tell you that the mixer you have is great, never get rid of that as it will last another hundred years

Well the most cost efficent stuff i found until now is a feed for piglets, that mainly consists of potato protein isolat, soy protein isolat, soyflour mixed 50% with yeast.

Yay Tim's back. You know your working when your ladle is a shovel. 😁

merci pour le partage ,etre apiculteur c est un vrai metier de passionne . courage a vous . bruno de france

I think the yellow in ultra bee is turmeric and I think the best oil you can give bees is hemp.

Hi, in my view it is very hard two find a universal pollen substitute as different regions have different bee genetics and different food sources. That's why imo beekeepers from different regions see different results with the same pollen substitute. Humans are the same. Depending on the region and on our genetics we have different food needs. For pollen substitutes it is the art to find what the exact needs are for your region.

Мне очень нравятся Ваши видео. Я поражен Вашим энтузиазмом и желанием работать и при этом думать! Хочу посоветовать Вам в дежу сначала вылить жидкое, а потом сухую смесь высыпать в дежу небольшими порциями, чтобы венчик не разбрасывал по сторонам. Желаю Вам удачи. Виктор, город Барнаул, Сибирь.

Shame he is keeping secrets with us☹

Wow, no granulated sugar. So your patties are more like a protein dough?

I figured it out I think, I won't blast it though... make sure you have all ten,very smart Ian

My guess is carotenoids! Bingewatching all your videos, love it!

Has your wife missed the flower window boxes yet?

you can't tell but can you confirm ? is it curcuma and beef fat ? thank you for the basic recipe I understood soya flour because they like it and has sugar in it and little prot and adding dryed (deactivate?) beer yeast and canolla(colza) oil for fat wich has some sort of disatvantage wich I would like to know so to find better replacement ;) I was surprised only little sugar sirup and no candy /sugar powder as to make it cheaper and taken better I was considering to mix the prot powder inside sugar to make mild sugar dow powder so to boost everything at once. would you enlight us about if we can guess it and if you could epxlain best about fats parts /oil advantage and whats looked for the bees well only what you know/observed will suffice ;) thanks again for the video it awlasy seems clearer to me once I saw it once at least. btw your mixer is the best just cnat find something this good in the other wid you could poor it out and let it freez why isnt it possible what is the difference ?

You never hold back. You are starting to tease us.

I'd guess from looking at the color of the magic oil....rosehip seed oil and/or sea buckthorn oil...LOL. I use it in my "old lady" face cream so I know it's color.

May I ask how much canola oil and eggs you usually put in your mix? Adding more ways of doing things to my toolbox is always good :)

After I've seen most of your videos I decide to not collect pollen any more. Our trees just started with making pollen. I believe we have much more flora diversity and many kind of pollen and honey but...we doing something wrong. Thanks for your time and believe me, if you are here and doing beekeeping you'll be a best or very very successful beekeeper in this part of Europe.will try to do your way and m gonna post results.

I'm anxious to see the results from your testings

Share the magic mr. Ian please 😀

This concoction is way more cost efficient than using UB pollen sub as a base. Is the protein content comparable?

Thank you!

Dragons Bees here. Have you experimented with spirulina in your patties? you would be surprised how much benifit it provides and the bees absolutly love it!

The syrup for patties needs to be inverted or use prosweet, regular sugar water syrup will work but it sets hard in a few days and the bees won’t touch it

hi ian.thanx for the valuable informatio.i learned alot watching your videos and i m located in bosnia-you guys up north are my heroes-you are like ice age bee keepers..ayust wanted to ask if you used raw eggs in your patties,or did you heat treated them

Playdough consistency...LOL Thanks for posting this Ian.

hop flour, honey, honey, pollen. Best natural pollen

watching how you sense what you need in almost an effortless 6th sense is kinda intriguing . After 2020s season how do you feel now in 21 with that years positive steps ? IMHO, you pulled off a miracle winter with strong bees and the efforts you put in to really providing good feed. You only lost a few to the last videos sac brood problem which you quickly picked up on before it even became an issue . Your "boss" needs to promote the brilliance of his "apiary".

Would love to see a follow up to this.

sir I am from India, you are my best HERO. one small question using soyflour normal or fat free? please reply

Ian, one of those proprietary ingredients wouldn't be Turmeric by any chance?

Great video! 2 Parts syrup is how much in weight? Flour and yeast are in weight. Thanks for all you do!

Would you be making these patties if your trees were blooming and they were bringing natural pollen in?

Привет, Ян! С Новым годом! Ян, хочу тебе сказать: Любую жидкость, чай, кофе надо пить сидя на стуле. Стоя пить очень вредно для кишечника, и для желудка. Успешной зимовки!

I have not been teased like that since high school! Lol. Great video, though. I still can't figure out if patties are actually cost effective.

Well, without the MAGIC INGREDIENT it's like trying to make UltraBee without the recipe...which they too, keep secret. So, we'll keep getting our pollen sub mix from MannLake.

Ahh, we got to see the magic slurry tho. It’s only a matter of time before you crack and have to tell us!

It seems to me that apparent results will vary depending on the unknown nutrient content of what the bees are foraging on in any particular season also the nutrient value of stores of bee bread. This in no way devalues your wonderfull work. Has Canada had pollen analysis done on the pollen your bees collect ?,here in western Australia that research has a along way to go. we have possibly the most diverse population of species in the world, rainfall is inconsistent. So much of our efforts go into travelling around observing the buds ,networking and finding sites, the latter getting harder due to the explosion of hobbyists and hopfulls

Ian do you freeze most of that for later use or just refrigerate it? You didn't list any preservatives so it must have a limited shelf life.

Thanks for giving a few more details about the nutritional needs of the bees. That was very helpful. Not so concerned about your recipe as I am about bee behavior and bee requirements in each season. If you could talk more about that would be wonderful. Thanks in advance.

Hello, I want to ask you. You are using pollen for bee cake. Can you write clearly what you use? Your hives are not suitable for pollen.

whats ur cost per lb, I am using global with my recipe and its not cheap

How much egg u add for this 10 pound soya flower?

Seems like vegetable glycerin would be a great additive...

FLAXSEED OIL?? IS THAT THE SECRET INGREDIENT?!!! ITS BEEN 3 YEARS I NEED TO KNOW!!!!

Is this recipe still a secret after a year?

Can you use the pea flour instead of soy flour

Many thanks for your videos. I'm a spanish beekeaper and would realy apreciate if you could write in detail the ingredients. Thanks a lot.

Do you press it into the long box just for the shape?

Hi Ian have you heard randy Oliver talk about how something in the soy flour is poisonous to bees soy protein isolate is better

How about a hint on magic ingredient!😁

Do you freeze or chil your Bee Sub after making until your ready to use it?

i decide to make it like you sir with out your secret :))) im sure it wold work also but here is one serios question ... when you mix Brewers yeast and Soyflour and the sugar sirup will it start puffing? i mean flour usually when addet yeast it starts to puff ? so can you please kindly reply before i make a mystake :)) ? PS sorry for the bad english

Hello my friend from Spain .

Please post exactly recipe for the sub. Your old recipe. I understand that the new additives are still confidential. You mentioned 2 parts syrup? Is it two parts syrup, one part Brewers yeast and one part soy flower? Any specific type of soy flower? Thanks James

Which HFCS do you use 42% or 55%.?

Ian I have a question. I’m worried I put pollen patties on my hives to early(one week ago). Since then they have not had a chance to go on a cleansing flight and looks like they won’t have a chance in the near future. My question is how long can bees handle a high protein supplement diet without going on a cleansing flight? Is that something to worry about at this time of year? I have just heard of beekeepers putting pollen patties on in bad weather and coming back presumably weeks later to find weak hives full of bee shit

Hi Ian, where do you get your brewer's yeast from? Or do you know of any places in Canada? I have been looking online and not finding anywhere in Canada that sells it in bulk. Thanks,

Is it normal for some hives to reject some of the patties? We saw some of them taking chunks outside de hive. We got a really thin soy flour. Some hives devoured the patties. Also, has anyone calculated a ratio pounds per brood-frame or so? We observed that an additional patty will we consumed faster than the previous one probably due to increased population, but it would be great to have a parameter.

Ian do you worry at all about soy flour toxicity?

Hello i make my patty`s with soyflour bewers yeast honey and pollen i watched your video and your recipe i can agree on the small amount of oil but can you explain me why you add eggs ? yes they do have proteins and so on... but wont they get sick when egg spoils i mean salmonella sorry for the bad english for the humans they get salmonella but for the bees.. idk some kind of sicknes ?

How do u store ur left over Patty's? How long will it stay good for?

What happened to the Bee Pollen-Ate from Alltech?

hello, can you write what material you used for the meatballs and your rates? I can't understand the conversations.

What type of honey bees do u keep

Looks like peanut butter could an ingredient lol. Hmmm. I wonder how that’d work? I need some bees of my own to find out. 😊🐝🌷

It should probably be said that pollen patties are meant to get bees thru the cold or rainy days in early spring. They need a steady supply that isn't constantly shutting down due to weather. Once every day is a flying day they'll reject the patties and the beetles move in.

Lab Coat Ian

Ian I do respect you for your hard work for all educational videos you provide for many who struggle with their bees. I watch the funny videos and the recent ones with your wife. In this one you add some kind of oil????? and the magic ingredient????? Ok. There is only one way to Heaven: Christ. But you have to have :Faith. This are the 2 non secret “ ingredients “ 2 get 2 Heaven. This should be mixed together. I provide here the recipe for any of your listeners, the free way to Heaven. What makes you r chef to think that his undisclosed recipe is much more important than the ONE I share it. Not right. Poor Chef.

Secret ingredient - Coffee LOL

I think it is/has corn oil in it.

looks like sunflower oil Ian?

👍👍

A quick question on the syrup used. Is it HFCS or Invert Syrup used for this recipe?

Guess you never answered why you don`t use a liquid sub..., you still could apply it in the shed! :-)

Great Video as per usual. Ian do you or anybody else have issues with it drying out in the hive and turning into a brick. The bees start to consume then stop when it gets to hard. I don't know if its because of a dryer temp here in Western Australia ? I've tried adding icing sugar also extra oil but have the same problem. Any help would be helpful.

Trying to get brewer yeast. Is it yest from brewer that makes beer? Can you post link

Here in New Zealand I have been using beef fat as one of the things they get from pollen is cholesterol and it is listed on every pollen constituent I could find. Seems to prevent drying as well.

Is soy not a gmo product? Is your honey then consider a gmo honey?

What is HFCS?

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Tumeric?

You're up late. :)

I’m going to make a how to video but not tell you how to…lmao

HFCS ????

Buzz buzz

Местный кулак.

There's no chef why not tell us how to make what the bees need in nature

I pmed you on Facebook and Instagram about this video

Does the brewer's yeast cause fermentation of your honey and the syrup in the mix?

Looks expensive.

This is not really any help with out the full recipe. I will continue with Bee-Pro Pollen Substitute.

Thought you moved hives deck in shed.

Ciao sono italiano mi daresti la ricetta grazie

This was a waste of my time since you won't share ingredients with other bee keepers,why are you so secretive?

Why did you even post this video you tell nothing you keep everything a secret which I can understand so why'd you even post this I like watching your stuff because I'm live close to the Canadian border myself but you tell nothing

I used to like your videos until you started all this secret squirrel stuff. I'm a small beekeeper in South Texas so I don't think you have much to worry about by way of competition. Thanks for nothing...tuning out here.