@@GodBlessTheFlamesno, it means he's a bad dman when he's like a clumsy moose and gives us all a heart attack everytime he has the puck near the Oilers' net. That's what makes him a bad dman. Not to mention he had the worst +\- of all players in the playoffs. Not to mention his eyes fill up with self-righteous indignation whenever anyone calls him out for it. I mean, I feel bad for the dude, but that doesn't mean he's not a bad dman.
honestly i think they were only going for Broberg but they also went for holloway just to fuck over edmonton and their cap and to guarantee they get Broberg and if they get Holloway its just a bonus lol
Well to do that they would have to have the cap space, the draft pick, and the biggest thing is he would have to be available. The reason this happened is because the Oilers neglected these two guys and left them out there til mid August all while signing these other guys back in July. If Dvorsky has any kind of potential he'll never even make it to being an RFA.
Match Broberg as he was proven that he was special when he stepped in playing with Nurse from round 3. Holloway is replaceable and Oilers added Skinner and Arvidsson, so id let holloway go. Throw Kane on LTIR, hes 100% gone after this season anyways
I am sure when McCloud and Vinnie were moved/let go, Oilers assumed Bro and Halloway were part of the team, so no worries. As an Oilers fan im mad at management for not signing them sooner, but honestly, if they would rather go to St.L for a payday over a chance to win in Edmonton. Bye, I wish u the best. (This is a in the moment emotional response so dont judge me too harshly. Lol)
I am not sure how this works. Do the players have a say. Can they refuse the offer sheet? If so, is the offer sheet announced only after the players agree or do they also have a week to bluff saying they will take it and then refuse it at the last second and go back to unsigned with the Oilers?
@@darpompie4354 Players do have a say. They can decline the offer sheet and we likely never here about it. In this case both players have agreed and signed the offer sheet meaning the Oilers now have a week to match the offers. A theory I heard was that the Blue's were talking with Broberg's and Holloway's agents since July 1st so both players simply refused to sign new contracts until the offer sheet was finalized.
@@thaneoffife6904 Ahhh... That makes sense. In that case, they are both too young and naive to realize that you don't get too many chances at a cup and to play with great players. They decided to play the short game. Take what you can get now and hope for the best later. Reality is, they will regress on the Blues and their next contract will be much lower than they would have got if they stayed on the Oilers. A net loss and no cup for them. A lot of UFA's come to the Oilers to sign a one year deal cheap so that they can pump up their stats and make a payday on their next contract. These kids did not establish themselves playing with the best players in the league to earn even half of what they were offered, good luck to the players and to the St. Louis organization. I see a lot of frustration ahead for both parties. Would have liked to keep them both and continue their development with high end talent, but at those dollars, I also say "bye, I wish you the best". Oilers need to worry about winning now and resigning the stars we have. This will allow the oilers to have cap space to get a couple of proven players. I heard Toews wanted to try out for a PTO. rather have him then Holloway for a year we are going for the cup. Maybe, there is also a good D man that wants to sign cheap for a year to go for a cup. This may be a blessing in disguise by giving us some cap room down the stretch with the added bonus of some draft picks.
This is war between Oilers and Blues. This is a dick move that many teams avoid. Broberg is who we really need. Skating is what does well. Oilers need both.
Broberg had a great few games in the playoffs. Don’t think he’s worth more than Bouchard @ 3.9. Tough L on the back end. That nurse contract is killing the oil.
Despite my Oilers desperately needing good solid defenders, I don’t see Broberg staying. It is possible they trade Ceci/Kulak to make room and with rumour of Kane being on LTIR that frees up cap space enough to match both the offer sheets. But that’s only for this year, looking long term I think Hollywood is probably gonna stay and Broberg goes. Surprised the offers weren’t the other way around considering the goal and game differences between the two.
@@wiski6540 Honestly there are pros and cons to all outcomes no matter what. There isn’t gonna be a correct answer or optimal outcome no matter what. If we keep both we get stuck in a messy cap situation, if we pay for one we lose out on a speedy forward (something we lost with Foegle and McLeod leaving) or a solid Dman. If we let them go then we basically end up with nothing and barely anything to shop for. No matter what Blues win and Oilers lose. As a fan I hate Doug Hamilton’s guts but from a business standpoint I gotta respect the hell out of it.
@@wiski6540 Taking a swing on Broberg at $4.6m/year plus a 2nd round pick doesn't seem like a particularly great call imo. $4.6m is overpaying unless he takes major steps forward this year and next. And then, can't he walk for a better contract as a UFA after 2 years? He's a solid prospect for sure though doesn't seem like a great offer.
Thats a rock and a hard place for sure, we need dylan's depth at forward and he was developing nicely. I'm pretty confident he stays, not sure what an offer sheet really means at the end of the day is'nt it the players decision? or are there player's union rules that say you have to take higher offer? Again confident dylan stays if it's his decision but broberg tough to say, does he wanna go to a rebuilding team or try and win now? If he stays and wins a cup he can punch his ticket anywhere he wants to go. At 4 mill per season not sure if the oilers would match broberg, but the need on the oilers is more for him then dylan sadly. Well it's time for Stan Bowmen to shine and think of a way out of this mess, thats why we hired him right? I'd prefer to keep both if possible but not at that price.
So the way this is all works is that both Holloway and Broberg have already signed these st louis offer sheets, meaning oilers have to match the price on said offers, or the players go to st louis. St louis and the players have shown all their cards, now it's on edmonton to decide what happens next
Even if they only get Broberg, it works out great for stl. They desperately need some d-men to supplement Parayko and Kessel, who seem to be the only blue-liners who show up most nights. Armstrong masterclass
woe woe woe. I think you are over estimating where Broberg is at. He played like a few handfuls of sheltered games in the NHL while playing with some of the best players in the league. He definitely has potential but he is still learning and needs to grow. It doesn't take a great D to pass a puck up to McDavid or Drai to get some easy points. St Louis is definitely overpaying for future potential which is great but don't expect a huge boost in D this year by adding him. If it works out. He will be great for his next big bucks contract signing in 2 years, if not, they let him walk at a loss of a 2nd pick.
@@TheOriginalTuhat LOL! You do know that the Oilers aren't renowned defensive specialists either. I mean if you can't crack being a regular on the Oilers D squad, it says something. Again, not saying Broberg is bad. Just still developing. I don't know if throwing him in to the fire with a huge salary is going to help the guy. Might be too much pressure for him, especially if the fans are expecting him to perform to what he's getting paid like you are. I mean he would be on the top half of salary paid for our D men and he's only played like 12 games. No way I would match if I was the Oilers GM.
I think we match Holloway and lose Broberg. I hope we return the favour in the future to the Blues. I can understand why St. Louis did this, they are such a shit team
Yup... it's inevitable, and payback will be a bit**. Just hope it will be ten times worse. Just as the blues get back on their feet... Boom... a major setback. Making enemies is not a sound strategy for a GM. what goes around comes around.
As a oilers fan im pretty sure they would let Holloway go because their is not really a spot for him on the offense except like on a 4 line and I hope they match brobergh but that really risky for a d-men that just prove something in a short pace
Sucks for the future, but neither seem vital for a 2024-25 cup run imo. We played without both of them most the season, and picked up two excellent (and definitely better than Holloway) offensive players. Plus if Connor Brown continues bouncing back, our 3rd and 4th lines will be rocking anyway
@@xlv1000-dlw On second thought, as "contenders", the Oil might just have to suck it up and match. It would be painful though. They would need Kane to play ball and go for surgery (LTIR 'till the trade deadline at least if not all of the regular season), plus trade away Ceci (with a pick?). They would also need to pray that Broberg can play RIGHT side top 4 D all season, and that guys like Brown and Stecher can hold their own on the 3rd pair.
@@user-iz3gv5vo6b I would hope that holloway stays and let broberg chase the cup with the blues! There are enough d men on there oilers roster right now to fill the needs! Not really a bad situation at all! Don't give up on kulak or ceci! They are both decent d men to win with! Nurse has had tough time lately but he is capable of playing much better! Time will tell!
They are Restricted Free Agents so their original club (Edmonton) has the right to match St Louis offer within 7 days. The players have already accepted the offer from St Louis so they have contracts in place now, it is up to Oilers management whether they match it or not. This is different for unrestricted free agents who have the right to sign with any club without any say from their previous club.
I would love to see the oilers match both, realistically their not. I only see Holloway being kept in Edmonton, broberg looked like he could eventually be a top 4 d man for the oilers tho great potential
Oilers keep both. Kane goes to LTIR and then they move Ceci or Kulak for peanuts with a depth guy or two being moved to Bakersfield for cap flex. I keep thinking about the phrase F around and find out. Regardless of how this plays out, I think Oilers are getting what is due for poor choices and bad hires like Bowman. St.Louis will get theirs too, it's a small league and business like this isn't forgotten any time soon. KARMA's a ...
Puckpedia is showing the oilers roster as if both players have been matched. This would put the oilers at 7.5 mil over the cap. Even if Kane started the year on the LTIR list that would still make them over the cap. I wonder what Bowman is going to do with this?
This was actually very smart offer sheet. I have Oilers to win cup and this one hurt. Oilers desperately need defensman like Broberg. But looks like he is gone😢
I'm surprised people don't talk about the players more in offer sheets, they have the choice to accept or decline the offer sheet, if they accept and are willing to leave why would you want that person in your organization, they could have had more talks and got a deal done but instead are fine with f*cking over your organization...
I mean, yeah, you're not wrong, but you also have to think that both these guys are young, somewhat unproven players in a fleeting career, so grabbing the bag while you can is nothing but business. What if they both flounder and end up being busts never making 2 mill a year? That's showbiz baby
@@GettingHyphy no doubt, a 2-year 4.5m contract will set you for life provided you don't completely mismanage it. Even after a career ending injury, you'd be good off a ~$10m career
I’m not really sure how these offer sheets work, If the oilers can’t match this do they have to trade the players? If they don’t have to then it could be up in the air if they stay bc why would u go from cup contender to play off bubble team
The Oilers will get a 2nd for Broberg and a 3rd for Halloway if they don't match. The compensation is a draft pick and it depends on the salary offered/signed.
ya but do Holloway and Broberg HAVE to take it if Oilers don't match it? Is that what this is, did they already accept the offers? They can say no and sign for less with Edmonton can't they? I mean, they may never have a better chance at a Cup again for a long time 🤷♀
The players signed contracts with the blues to play! The oilers do have the right to match the offers and retain the players. Both players will cash in regardless of where they play!
Well the Oilers will need the cap space which they don't and they will also need the draft pick w hich they don't and you'd have to hope STL let's him even get to FA for that to even happen which they more than likely wont.
This does a lot of damage to the oilers. Broberg was #8 overall pick, Holloway was #14 overall pick. The return for both will be 2nd+3rd, and the oilers will lose significant young players. They are also getting significantly overpaid, so a championship team like the oilers can’t match
Im gonna go out on a limb and say the Oilers will try to trade Darnell Nurse in the coming says to get out of this pickle and take a chance on Brogerg continuing to play like he did in the playoffs, in my opinion he was better than Nurse. Or they could look to trade kane (or put him on ltir) and trade ceci. To me holloway and broberg are worth keeping though its a big payday for broberg but if he plays like he did in the playoffs he could take nurse's role if not its only 2 years.
Sometimes ya just have to say thanks but no thanks. Being at the start of your career and leaving a Cup finalist for a 2 year deal with a downward trajectory team?…TBNT
@@LispyOnSaltzeven with putting Kane on the LTIR I don’t think its doable for the oilers. They’re both 2 year deals which goes into when Drai needs to be extended and they’re already in enough cap trouble
If a player or players choose to go work for another team, good luck. Their Stanley Cup hopes and a legendary career just got farther away. Who is more likely to win the next cup? Edmonton or St. Louis?
I’m a fan and I don’t feel bad for them at all this was awful asset management on their part. Not signing Josh Brown and Perry would have sorted this out weeks ago.
@@headintheclouds6935interacting with flames fans is like conversing with a dead horse! They have nothing of any value to say and are incapable of thought process!
"My team finally made the playoffs and then we got knocked out in the second round, now I cry and desperately hope The Oilers lose players so we might have a chance this year" - This guy probably
"The canucks have been consistently better than the oilers for the past 30 years, please don't let my shit Alberta team suck again, we just got good finally." -Every oilers fan. @@abovewater6918
Typical Canuck fan, ready to jump the bandwagon… just don’t riot now when it doesn’t work out for you… and yes, 2011 will stick with you “fans” forever 😅
Oilers waste time hiring Bowman. Dude is disliked and a dark cloud .Why sign Perry & Brown?They shld have signed Holloway /Broberg weeks ago at cheaper deals probably. D aint great and then u lose Broberg potentially .
@@xlv1000-dlw Absolutely valid comment. It doesn't hurt when it's the truth. That said a majority of Flames fans support the idea of a full blow rebuild, and tanking for top 5 picks for the next 3ish years or so.
With what cap space and what draft pick? they don't have a 1st or 2nd and Neighbors will almost certainly be a 6m player. Oh and you have to hope he is even available which it's not likely STL let's him go unsigned like the Oilers did with these two.
@@curtismah1261 Guys sign early all the time, in fact it happens more often than it doesn't. At the end this coming season the Blues and him will more than likely have a deal worked out or they will know if they are far apart or not in which case they will just just tender him and let someone offer sheet him and take the pic or they can trade his rights to someone which is a more likely scenario if he doesn't sign and that's a big if because the Blues will have plenty of space. And just because you offer sheet a guy doesn't mean he has to sign it and it also doesn't mean you get him. The reason why this happened is because the Oilers let this go on until mid August. If they focused on these guys right after the playoffs ended like they should have then they wouldn't be in this situation.
