Yes, and it's also about the corrupt relationship with individuals and companies that provide the foreclosure "services", including banks. The same foreclosure FEES are collected during the foreclosure regardless of the amount of the tax delinquency, and come off the top even before the govt gets their tax deficiency. It's all a scam and this and property taxes show that we don't really own this property, it's just rented on a govt license.
@Cocheetah's Corner I'm your Bro, and yes, it's all an easy money, govt licensed biz and the banks turned the 08 recession into a Foreclosure Factory (with 100 thousand plus accounting errors) and of course govt did nothing for the victims since got is owned by them . The vid missed the point that regardless of returning "something or nothing" to the home "owner", the business is the Foreclosure Process and the individuals involved, the elected, govt employees and the rest care very little about how much govt actually recovers. Govt seizure laws are just cover for legal graft. Stay in line, Pay Up or there's several pockets to be lined.
They stole $2B from their own citizens. Despicable. I'd be looking into who purchased these "auctioned" properties and looking for ties to the people who seized it.
Foreclosure auctions are public and, as the name says, are auctions. That's not where the corruption was. They sold these properties at near market value, again not where the corruption was. The corruption is that anything that want owed to the government should have gone to the property owner.
@@jeffwells641 you could be correct but we'd have to verify it ... impounded cars is where they sell things for pennies on the dollar .. car dealers rip people off when they trade in their cars
If someone told you that, you would say for real? Wow, that's just terrible. And as soon as he was out of your face, you'd be like, what a crock of shit! $7 my ass. More like $7,000 or $70,000. No way I would think that for less than a Quarter Pounder w/cheese meal your house is gone. It also appears as if the selling prices were suspiciously low. I wonder who bought those properties?
@@johnbachmurski1253 Absolutely fucking ridiculous. I have a house in Jefferson County, NY. I'm wondering (now) if they also have a law like this on the books. For anyone to think they can keep the proceeds over and above what was owed them is criminal.
@stuart johnson Me too. I was thinking the Trump administration should help private citizens across the country get their money back. I wouldn't be surprised if there are a lot of democrat politicians around the country who should be paying back some of this money out of their own pockets.
This is where they get the money to pay the teachers to educate the kids who live there. Now granted things are not going properly these days, but that's where the money comes from.
@Commenter2 *WHAT* retirement accounts?!?!? The only solace here is that most municipal retirement accounts are so woefully underfunded till they will eventually suffer right alongside the rest of us once the money runs out....
Commenter2 they can do that till dooms day , but that still doesn’t change the fact that they have to soon start paying back all the stolen money with interest
Commenter2 they themselves are The taxpayers and as for the rest , I don’t feel sorry for them because they had alll these years to complain about the law and stayed quiet as long as they were receiving the benefits. But now chickens have come home
richland1980 I think they will loose itt anyways because there is no money to pay for it when they have to pay out a lot more money then they are taking in.no way around it unless they can convince the feds to bail them out and I doubt that they will even consider that anytime soon .
If the tax collectors are complying with the laws the pols promulgated and passed why should they suffer censure? I would investigate to see if the tax collectors benefited and go from there, a sweeping "hang em' all" mentality is not justice.
Steve: The Revolutionary War was fought against the British government for less of a reason than this. This entire mess of asset forfeiture should be completely unconstitutional. This would be at the federal and state level too. Maybe if people would worry about this type of stuff, over the latest Sports team game/score the country would be much better off.
Professional sports, Music videos (especially rap+hiphop), Hollywood movies, and make-up channels are all distractions to keep the masses busy. If more men would stop being distracted by sports. If more women would stop being distracted by make-ups and clothings. If we actually pay more attention to the people who actually run this country, we'd be better off.
not initialy but over time they kind of forgot that fact. coming to view citizens as an easy source of cash. question is how they are going to operate without the illegal loot from now on.
I’d also be asking for disclosure to see WHO bought the seized & sold property ... if the NEW owner is a governmental employee ?, this would be part of the corruption 🙋🏼♀️
In a certain central California small town a racket was being run by a judge and the city manager over impounded cars. Cars that were always HIGH END. Very high end. She would buy them all from herself (as it were) rather than properly auction them at almost zero dollars then re-sell them for a profit. This went on for a VERY long time before it was put a stop to.
@@andrewcannon7055 I very much disagree, we aren't Iran. We shouldn't be putting anyone to death that isn't an extreme danger to others. The constitution isn't an unchanging holy relic to be put to death if you disobey, it isn't black and white and can be interpreted differently by each supreme court generation. There is a reason we have the amendments. To be clear I'm not saying that the constitution isn't important or that they shouldn't be punished for doing the deeds they did, but you shouldn't use the death penalty so lightly, we aren't the medieval catholic church putting people to death for blasphemy.
@@guindle9291 I was just kind of talking crap I think. I don't take the comments section all that seriously all the time. And I don't remember why I typed that or what this video was about.
These victims should get interest on top of money they're owed. They should be compensated for having their money withheld, same as interest on a loan. Which in a way was a loan to the municipality.
If they do, then there will be no hope whatsoever of the former property owners getting their money back! Why? The state will go bankrupt trying to backstop all the counties going bankrupt! Last time I looked, the interest rate paid out for people who invested in tax liens in Michigan was the highest in the nation. (And that means even higher than in Texas, where the first year is a PENALTY of 25% and then goes up to 50% in the 2nd year if you don't pay it sooner and want to get the property back! That word "penalty" is very important, because it kicks in if you are even one day after the sale and try to redeem it and doesn't change until you are 366 days late, at which time it jumps to 50% under a 2 year right of redemption after the sale.) But get the popcorn ready; it's about to get reeeally entertaining real quick!
sam jordan well it’s too bad for the state, they better start selling off the assets to pay for the interests , claw back the illegal profits and raise taxes.
mark nelson; I meant those govt. officials _directly_ responsible for seizing and profiting off the property sales should experience financial pain for putting their constituents through the same.
mark nelson they used the same logic at Nuremberg. “I was just doing my job”.... Indefensible, imo. Granted, the lawmakers should definitely be booted from office at the earliest opportunity, but when government goes awry, the responsibility lands with the people to stand up and say “no”.
Turn in a contractor for breaking the law, the city comes after you full force. Ask me how I know. They don't know I've been digging, and I have a LOT of dirt on City Hall.
@@JRRodriguez-nu7po Which was his right! Evidently, the people he DIDN'T vote for were worse! Usually when we do vote, it's a loose-loose proposition. Even knowing this, he is still one of my heroes!! A great man!
From my own research most counties in the U.S. only have to notify you once about being late or under payment of taxes due then when the set time expires they for close on your house..
Full video of supreme court argument is on youtube. Worth watching the whole thing, but 28:05 shows how the court was not buying the argument on the $8. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-8rXmQ_8XOzw.html&feature=emb_logo
Yeah, in Indiana it's a matter of running out the clock. I forget the exact day count, but it's something like two years and 60 days...the 60 days presumably being the notification period.
It's good to see some judges actually following the law and doing what is moral and right. Taking a senior citizen's home over 8 dollars? Ridiculous. Ty for covering this , Steve.
At least in my state, tax agencies cannot take a retiree's primary residence. They can put a lien on it, so they get the money if it is sold or when it goes into probate, the tax authorities cannot foreclose on the property for back taxes in the case of people of retirement age.
20 years ago, I was fired for paying the co pays of mental health patients who couldn't afford their treatment. Over the years I'm sure it accumulated to quite a bit of $$$, and then I hear about someone foreclosing on someone's house because of a clerical/accounting error that could be easily rectified and it makes my blood boil. "True compassion means not only feeling another's pain, but being moved to help relieve it" - Daniel Goleman.
I'm sorry that you were fired; it should not have been their concern regarding who paid, as long as someone did. It's sounds like someone thought you were a problem for other reasons and was looking for an excuse to get rid of you. "No good deed goes unpunished".
That man house prob was worth more thatt 30 thousand. Since it was foreclosed it probably was sold to the lowest bidder. They should be forced to pay him the property value of his house.
@@groofromtheup5719 Oh, I didn't realize this part of the case. Yeah, that's clearly wrong. The debt should be paid first, then when the current year is short, another notice is generated. This gives the property-holder the greatest benefit of the doubt. If you want provisions to deal with someone who is _consistently_ in arrears, that process should be separate and spelled out.
This is happening across the entire country. So much so, there is an entire industry flourishing that helps the homeowner receive that money in certain areas.
"I know this action is immoral, and possibly illegal, and it's gonna come back and bite me in the rear, but there's this pile of money in front of me, and I can't concentrate on anything else. So I'm gonna do it anyways." Correct me if I'm wrong, but is this not the essence of the criminal character?
Ah! Figures govt will spend more of our (the people's) money to solve a problem of them taking our (the people's) money in the first place. Thank you Steve for auditory story to us. May we at least slow the flow on that faucet.
The County knew it was wrong and would cost them yet they did it anyway, now it's come back to bite them in the ass and they want to play the Hot Potato blame game.
@@feirisWheel And yet the legislators who write and pass such laws and the governors who sign them (mostly lawyers, BTW) already know from the start that such laws are so obviously unconstitutional. They just don't care about following the Constitution.
Eddie McFadden the point is how stupid are these officials to think that they can spend the surplus money that doesn’t belong to them even if the law is in place
Unfortunately, many legislators know that what they are passing is wrong, and figure they'll just leave it to the poor victim to hire his own lawyer and fight it out in court, to his ruinous expense. It has a chilling effect on human rights. Look at the current efforts from both sides of the aisle to restrict basic gun rights and abortion rights, for example. There is wrongdoing from both sides.
in the worest case make the property owner come to court and give the owner a chance to pay up. you know what is funney in many states you get a court hearing befor a bank can forclose on your mortage but with Gov you dont get a court hearing
This is my first time watching this channel, so I will make the same comment that I have made in many, many other places. This is just another PERFECT EXAMPLE of Jeremiah 17:9 in the bible... The heart is DECEITFUL above ALL things and desperately wicked, who can know it. That is why God tells us we need to repent of our sins and be born again, before it is too late...
While I agree with that sentiment, and I would have done the same, where do we draw the line on how much we shell out to help these people? Perhaps there should be a charitable organization that can provide a last chance relief. I've been on the sharp end of that axe, and it's a grim feeling.
Foreclosing on an $8 underage sounds fishy to start with! If I underpaid my taxes by $8 my county would send me a bill for the $8 plus a $50 late fee, and then keep sending more bills with more late fees.
I'd be curious as to how much due diligence the treasurer did for the $8.41 tax. I have to agree that it's wrong for counties (anybody, really) to seize property and sell it for delinquent taxes and keep all of the money. It invites corruption and allows instances like the $8.41 delinquency.
Thank you for informing the people on yet another over reach and theft of private property by the government. Corruption isn't the exception, it's becoming the norm; these political hacks need to be held accountable for their incompetence and those citizens need to be made whole through State legislative funding, if necessary. Great channel Counselor Lehto! Thank you!
Too bad it will be paid back from future tax revenue (maybe raising taxes). So the lawmakers, commissioners, etc. loose nothing. Ruling is great of course, but some personal maybe even criminal responsibilities should be found.
In addition to the question of how this law was ever passed, how did it take this long to get overturned? The law was passed in 1999 you say? 20+ years to overturn such an obviously absurd law is surreal.
I bought my house and property for 1428.00 8 years ago. I know these things happen. I have never heard of counties stealing 30,000 for 8 dollars, I hope each county there has to return every dollar they stolen to the people or their heirs
When thieves fall out..... On behalf of my fellow Michigan taxpayers, "ha ha....."; thanks, Steve, for your good works in general, and especially for reporting this. I realize the treasurerers were "following the law", but the law was so egregiously wrong. I don't know how refunding will play out, but hopefully at least this ruinous practice will cease forever.
