angel macagno actually barb is the psychopath and carols the sociopath because psychopaths are the ones who appear normal and blend in with the society. theyre also always calm when it comes to stressful situations while sociopaths are more impulsive, have anger outbursts and dont blend in as well as psychopaths which makes sense if you look at carol and barb
this would actually be a pretty interesting movie; what lead up to this moment, the parents finding out, them getting arrested. i would watch it if it came out
I think the most terrifying part was when Barb was like "you're not so bad kid" like I thought she was reconsidering killing her but nooooo I was wrong
That proves of the two Barb was the psychopath. Psychopaths are very intelligent and manipulative and you would never know their truest self as opposed to Carol who is more sociopathic. Barb probably convinced her parents that Carol was the mastermind hence them visting her and not Carol.
@@nataliedupont7273 There was a study done when this mother (forgot her name) drowned her kids by pushing her car into a lake and acted like they were missing and stuff. I dont remember the exact number but it takes longer than that.
@@happyhorse1028 Drowning would mean the possibility of scratch marks (Debbie trying to save herself) which would immediately incriminate them. The destruction of the car was a clever move because they could've easily made an excuse as to why they were out at night with their little sister: to release her tadpoles.
Hamza Muhammed Al-Zein uh yeah deported kids and seeing immigrant families split up is sad but watching two sisters *push* *their* *little* *sister* *into* *a* *torturous* *death* is more sad lmfao
Hamza Muhammed Al-Zein There’s a big difference in the viciousness between being MURDERED and being deported. One is clearly far worse than the other. Either way, this is a fictional show and we rlly shouldn’t argue over shit that isn’t real lmao
Hamza Muhammed Al-Zein yeah, i still think being locked in a car and slowly drowning is still worst cause your being tortured to death with the burning sensation of water being in your lungs, this murder/death has happened plenty of times probably.
“We’ll have to make it look like an accident.” Proceeds to remove car locks and throw them a few feet from the crime scene. Got caught. *surprised Pikachu face*
What's so crazy is it's obvious Debbie looked up to and loved both her older sisters but you can tell she really trusted Barb. When Carol was about to kill her tadpoles she called out to Barb to stop her, when they were both pushing her into the lake she pleaded with Barb trying to reason with her. It's clear she understood that Carol could be impulsive and had a tendency to be mean but that she could always rely on Barb to be rational and help her. It's so sad that in the end Barb was actually the worse one.
@@tylerduggan7776 absolutely not. It just tells you that people are more to what the seem on surface level and the show subtly points that out on various occasions how dangerous barb could be. Even in this video you can see how she's the one who actually plans for Debbie.
@@tylerduggan7776 that's not bad character writing. That's actually good character development. The one that appears to be the hero is actually the most terrifying of them all. The mastermind, the brains. You would expect Carol to go unhinged; but Barb, no one would expect a woman like that to be evil? It's brilliant and terrifying at the same time.
the way they portrayed debbie and barbs relationship made me sad. you could tell debbie really trusted barb, she yelled for her when carol was gonna kill the tadpoles and told barb how she felt about moving. really shows how selfish barb and carol were
So the family member they killed was the only one who was actually sane - their parents were over ambitious and driven and Carol and Barb were both psychopaths.
The dad was also abusive because you can tell how Barbara backs up into the wall. He probably beat them into submission you know uses his strength to make them cower. Because if he was just mad at her there would be no reason for her to back up into the wall like she did but because she did that honestly shows that when he gets mad he hurts them. Which is honestly probably the reason why that they came to the conclusion to end their problems was with violence. Because that's how their father treats all of his problems is with violence or taking it out on other people.
It was a dumb decision to make only one season of their story, these two characters are more interesting than some characters from main cast, like piper...
LITERALLY they set up all these fucking potential subplots with freida, c vs d block, carol and red and it literally went fucking nowhere. i was really excited for them to go more into their storyline but nope.
I've always kinda wondered if the universal hatred from fans for Piper was intentional. Did they deliberately write her character in such a way that would cause people to hate her or were they somehow oblivious to that and surprised by the fans reaction?
When Barb hums the 'she's a maniac' at the end... Really good work, loved this season. The scene was absolutely heartbreaking and hard to watch though.
I felt so sad for Debbie. The poor girl didn’t deserve such a brutal and callous fate. No one does. I think what this show does really well is depict how far sociopaths/psychopaths will go to get what they want, even at the expense of others. Carol and Barb got what they wanted. They didn’t have to move, but had to spend the rest of their lives in maximum security.
It also shows how small of a reason people may kill you for. These people have no empathy and thus no guilt and psychopaths can't feel fear or sadness, so this results in a lack of care. Unfortunately, some people will kill you for the tiniest of reasons when they're mentally ill. Don't forget, psycopaths are also impulsive.
Psychopathic individuals are considered to be impulsive, but impulsivity is a multifaceted construct (including positive and negative urgency, lack of planning, lack of perseverance, sensation seeking).
Impulsivity is thought to be a major component of psychopathy. However, impulsivity is a multi-faceted concept, and different facets may have differential relationships to psychopathy. The ventrolateral prefrontal cortex, which is related to self-control, could determine how well someone with psychopathic tendencies can control their impulses.
My stomach dropped when I realized that when she told the girl to get in the car and lock the doors. It was only to trick her into thinking she was going to be safe/helped. But it was part of the plan
Kidd Honest I noticed when Carol was talking to Red in the bathroom she says "if you really wanna be mean, you gotta be nice first. That's what the Barb's of the world do" and then when they kill Debbie Barb almost seems like she cares about her
I wish they showed a flashback to their arrest and trial and their parents reactions. Edit: I just wanted to add that it’s really freaky how the casting team was able to find young actresses that look so much like the older versions. 😳
Just incase anyone wants to know what to do in a similar situation. Never open the windows or the door, door won't open and windows are power operated these days and won't work. Stay calm, remove the headrest of the front seat, the pointy edge of the metallic part is designed to break the glass, hit hard on the glass preferably the rear side glass, it will break. Climb out.
Or press on the brake so you don't roll. Not sure why the kid didn't jump up front and push on the brake. Carol and Barb wouldn't be strong enough to move the car with the brake on and it in park. Eventually they would have given up on pushing and tried something else, giving Debbie a chance to escape.
@@greatestever184 do you mean that park/neutral thing or the foot brake? she is like 9 so she probably didn't know exactly where the car brake was but besides that it was the 80s and the car was most likely stickshift ... plus in that short moment she just got manipulated by her sister and is probably in wtf shock mode as well as being scared as fuck cuz its rolling
@@gabrialblast2007 Astd... fhjkl! Gahhuru. . . . . . . . . I had a stroke trying to understand where the fuck you got that from. Mind pointing out where in my sentence i said. "She got what she deserved." Oh, that's right, you can't.
"You're really going to stick the landing this time kid!" only a true psychopath will make a joke while killing their victim and Barb humming the song that was playing while they both decided to kill her? out of all the villians in this show those two were the real deal
Nah, too comedic. Psychopaths? Absolutely. However, they were basically just psychotic children in the bodies of adults. Piscatella was an asshole, but he was easy to understand, given his past. Vee was the real deal.
The worst part is is that Barb knew that Debbie didn't want to leave that it was all their parents but yet she still killed her anyway. That's honestly one of the most sickening things of all and she was happy that she killed Debbie even though she knew that it wasn't Debbie's fault she just enjoyed killing her. Meaning she just love killing people in general. Which most likely means that if they didn't get caught Barbara probably would have killed other people or gotten Carol to do it.
@@RexTheDinosaur1 I don't think it was that. I think she wasn't killing Debbie because she hated her like Carol did. But she knew that killing Debbie would mean not moving, and she simply cared more about herself and staying there than she did for her own sisters. I think it was easier to decide to kill her when she thought Debbie did want to move, but even when she found out that it wasn't the case, she still needed to kill Debbie to avoid moving (in her mind at least).
Melódico Michael I have been waiting for this type of reply. The character development was immense for me as a viewer. When they died I was literally devastated.
Young carol is such a good actor in this. She's amazing at switching emotions quickly, to making psychotic glances and smirks. She can say a lot without saying much. Especially when they look at debbie when she's locked inside the car
1:08-2:00 is such a great example of how acting and sound design can impact a scene and the audience's view of the characters. The song "Maniac" is playing in the background when we learn that Carol has been thinking about murdering Debbie for a while but hasn't acted on it yet (it is more fantasy than reality in her notebook). It isn't until Barb offers a serious perspective of how to kill Debbie (1:40) that both girls' insanity and willingness to actually murder Debbie is apparent to the audience. As the music swells right before the chorus (1:45), Carol's reaction shows the audience that the threat is now real and her desire to commit the murder is actually going to be fulfilled. The chorus "She's a maniac" also plays directly after both girls have decided Debbie's fate. The humming scene (6:33) which recalls the chorus demonstrates not only their mental state and lack of empathy for Debbie but also has the added importance of marking Debbie's last performance with the last moments of her life. Such amazing acting from all of these ladies!
Totally agree also the song Cry Baby which plays when Carol sees Barb kissing is about a person who hid his crime from his lover which symbolizes what Barb will do in the end....
Barb holding up the locks was such a plot twist to me. I thought she was gonna change her mind about killing Debbie after that moment they had together with Barb saying she wasn't so bad. It just makes the scene even sadder because she trusted Barb and listened to her when she told her to get in the car. I think their characters were interesting but I wish we had a chance to see in more detail, what lead them to become so cold blooded.
Yeah i think they were both just so jealous of Debbie and and resented her so much cause she was "ruining" their lives and she probably got treated the best out of the 3
There's something likable about Carol putting aside the killing her own sister fact lol and for a second I actually thought Barbara was gonna save Debbie
I was fascinated with their story, why they were filled with so much hate for each other and for Debbie. I wanted to see flashbacks to their trail. Why their mother only visited Barb in prison and not Carol. I would not be disappointed if we had a whole show or movie dedicated to their craziness.
Anytza Delgado I feel like Barb was more “fake” than Carol. They were both liars in the end, but Barb gives off a more “fake nice” side than Carol does. We already know Carol is fucking crazy, Barb hides it better though.
This scene was so disturbing to me. It’s 2023 and this is still a scene that haunts my thoughts and one of the most disturbing scenes I’ve ever scene in film.
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Absolutely evil & avoidable. It's not that they wanted to leave home, they wanted to stay; Barb had a plan and approval with another family but their abusive father physically and verbally threatened her if she did that. So, leaving home wasn't what they wanted. Staying behind may have gotten them hurt (or not, idk,) but 100% what they did to Debbie is the most chilling and sickening thing on this show. No reason it had to come to that -- it solved nothing. I mean, it made them feel better I guess but it was never her fault, wtf.
@@jmie5 I blame the father. They had a breaking point and so the parents lost all 3 of their kids. 1 was killed and the other 2 behind bars. The parents lost out because they wanted better for the little girl at the expense of Barb and Carol. Goes to show you what could happen if parents favor 1 kid over the others. I'm not defending Barb and Carol did. What they did was wrong. Not sure if was avoidable or not. It was the 80's. 16 or 17yr old's didn't really have much say back then. I don't know the solution. The only other option they had was just had to keep moving whenever the abusive father said. They were trapped in a tough situation. Sometimes when a situation like that happens. I don't think they cared they lost. As long as the father didn't win either.
@@bobbysfacts1981 I got you, I'm not defending Carol or Barb either when I say that you're right about the shitty father. I can't say he's the reason that Debbie died, but if he had just let them *all* have a damn life, or at least let ONE of the 3 sisters go their own way like they asked (JFC, Barb had it all figured out they didn't NEED her) it would be different. He was abusive, you said it. Just what an ass.
I know it's a show but this video makes me so sick. That poor, innocent little girl :'( There are people out there who actually those kind of things...
What I dont understand is how they managed to be basically bosses in a max security prison if they killed a child. I thought both prisoners and guards hate child killers and almost always beat them to death.
@@constracted7331 they actually are. Those who commit crimes against children are usually not put into general population bc guards will tip prisoners off about what was done and they will brutally rape or beat the hell out of whoever did the shit
I kinda wanted to see how they got caught. I would’ve liked to see the aftermath, the investigation and their parents reaction in an episode. It also seems like their mother blamed Carol as she continually visited barb but cut her out. I figured they must have gotten away with it for a sec because the became waitresses. Yes, they could’ve already been them in high school, but with their family moving every six months I doubt they’d have time to.
yes me too and the reaction from the parents... im pretty sure the mother nether visited barb, that was a lie from her the whole time... the waitress scene was in their highschool time and i don´t think that they got away with it a single sec, they made so many mistakes....
I doubt the cops, however incompetent they might be, would let Barb and Carol go after investigating around. The biggest proof was the buttons lying around, once they found that it's over for the sisters. I bet they were already waitresses in high school, and not long after killing Debbie they got into max. I still would love to see the parents reaction though, I mean I wouldn't know how to react knowing my youngest daughter, who I last saw a couple of hours prior and was supposedly left under my other daughters' care, is now a frozen corpse in the bottom of a lake, AND she was killed by none other than her sisters too.
Agreed, it seemed like she was kind of coerced into gymnastics though. She even said herself she didn't like moving around all the time for it,or how her mum kept pushing her to practice at home.
Barb seemed more psychopathic while Carol was more sociopathic. Carol seemed impulsive and truly hated Debbie, while Barb was more organized and I don't think she actually hated Debbie, she hated that Debbie was the cause behind her having to leave her friends and status at school.
@@westernhemlock sociopaths often develop personalities that any normal person would have to the normal eye they build up trust in others and thrive off of the pain when their trust is broken, eg barb when Debbie was killed. They give off a fake persona to others and will do anything to not be revealed to be their true selves. Psychopaths however do not care a bit about their 'public images' they thrive off people's pain known or not, they tend to inflict it physically while sociopaths tend to inflict it mentally and emotionally they're often isolated unlike sociopaths who can be witty and charming to the eye, but at the end of the day they can be maybe even more evil than a psychopath
I am the yeast of thoughts and mind that is completely wrong lol. Sociopaths can form connections and are more humane. Sociopaths are a product from their environment. While psychopaths are a product of brain damage. They can’t form any true connections with people and are more manipulative. Psychopaths are scarier.
I am the yeast of thoughts and mind Honestly the differences between the two are pretty controversial among psychologists and some even consider them the same but with psychopathy being the more severe one. Some simply consider them one in the same. But I don’t even care about that, you were very rude and the original commenter did not deserve that.
This was one of the most morbid moments of the show. Wasn't a fan of the whole maximum security prison plot. But I loved that we got to meet Barb and Carol.
aecidyk actually its not cause psychopaths are great actors unlike sociopaths and theyre great at faking their feelings just like barb does. and people also usually refer sociopaths as hot headed and psychopaths as cold hearted
aecidyk but its also possible that carol was abused too (and this is all just a theory since its never really shown) because the parents didnt care about anyone except for debbie so it wouldnt really make sense if barb was the only one
"Yeah, uh, we just decided to be nice and take her to release her tadpoles, after complaining about having to watch her. We went to release them for her and then the car just rolled into the lake." Hmm...I can't fathom why that story didn't hold up.
@@jennifer3744 No, sociopaths have superficial charm and are master at manipulating people into believing a false appearance. Carol was the pyschopath because she was upfront about her aggression and came off as a bully. Barb played the dumb pretty girl role.
As much as I loved these two I also hated them for what they did to Debbie 😐 Especially that Debbie would run to Barb when she needed her help or when she was afraid of Carol but she was too young to understand they're both evil.
Especially after Barbara knew that it wasn't even Debbie's fault that it was their parents pushing that life on Little Debbie. It's absolutely disgusting. Because Barbara was still happy that she killed Debbie even though she knew that Debbie wasn't behind any of it. That Debbie didn't even want do you like competitively more likely she wanted to do it for fun. Which means that Barbara purely out of the fact that she loves killing people. So most likely if they had not been caught she probably would have killed other people or gotten Carol to do it. Now Carol on the other hand she killed Debbie because she believed that Debbie was the means to end all of her problems and genuinely hated Debbie. She most likely wouldn't have killed someone else I don't think if they hadn't have been caught but like I said she could have been manipulated into killing other people because of Barbara. But Barbara definitely would have been as most likely a serial killer if they had not been caught.
The acting from the little sister was spot on. She made it real and made me cry over her it was so messed up. Definitely keeping an eye out for her future work, as well as the other two sisters. Orange is so great at casting.
They need to make a spin off with barb and Carol and Frieda . I don’t care if I know how it ends but I would love to see their younger selves in c and d block
@@tsdiggs78 if i remember correctly i think in one episode she mentioned cutting her husband , i am rewetting the whole show again before last season if i see i ll write u which episode :)
i really wish we could’ve gotten even more of their backstory. i would honestly watch a spin-off on carol and barb. their upbringing, leading to them developing their psychopath/sociopathic tendencies, and then after the murder them FIRST getting into prison, more of them in prison when they were young and up until they both became bosses of their respective blocks
I love the foreshadowing of the whole first scene. They start talking about how they want to kill her own sister while the song "Maniac" is playing low in the background, and at 1:43 when Barb gives her the idea of everything being just 'an accident' the camera focuses Carol and the song is becoming louder. Just at the part of "On a wire between will and what will be. She's a maniac" and at the end of the flashback, Barb ends humming the song. Telling us that they turned into "Maniacs"
I was creepily interested in these two. For them to both be sociopathic is very intriguing. Most older siblings can understand how annoying it would be to be in their position but to kill their CHILD sister after she said she wasn't interested in the move....truly scary!
Carol is a psychopath and Barbara is a sociopath. Sociopaths often appear normal and want to mentally destroy their prey, psychopaths don't care how they appear to society and just wants to destroy their prey the fastest way possible.
@@cutienerdgirl That's a bit off. Sociopaths are just slightly more empathetic (to very certain people and situations) psychopaths who are also more irrational and BECOME that way do to life experiences. Psychopaths are born that way and have NO empathy at all. You can tell who's psychopathic from a cat scan because it's a physical trait. They start imitating other humans from a young age to fit in and get what they want so they happen to be charming as well. It's the psychopath you'll think is normal or even better than normal. Scary stuff.
@@a.j.2362 All of you are sorta wrong. The terms psychopath and sociopath aren't real medical definitions, they're just colloquialisms generally referring to people who have antisocial personality disorder. They're interchangeable.
iluvmjjandfam96 If they ever got their own show based off their lives, it could be really interesting. They probably aren’t going too, but it’s a nice idea
I'm literally sitting here hyper-ventilating unable to focus my vision. I watched this scene then came str8 to youtube. I'm legitimately in shock. This is one of the most genuinely chilling things I've ever seen.
If only life was that black and white. I think you'll find however that a lot of it is subjective and that good people can do bad things and vice versa. Edit: This is in response to @SamuelD1 "Dark side? You are either a good person or a bad person"
Yeah, they should have given her sleeping pills mixed into a drink or something and then rolled the car into the lake after she was knocked out. It would have been easier to play off as an accident so long as the coroner didn't find said pills in Debbie's system.
Octi its not that easy for two teen girls working at a diner in the suburbs to just get sleeping pills. It would have been better if they drowned her first, put her in the car and rolled it into the water.
bish bisu I will do that. If I can’t find something I like I actually just got new glasses from Zenni optical (I’m nearsighted) and one of my new pairs looks similar
Debbie had a really tragic story. You can see her looking to Barb when Carol acts out. Debbie was calling for Barb to help her not Carol. Sad to see that Debbie at least trusted one of her sisters. Both of them killed her out of jealousy.
Both of them killed her because the father was an abusive jerk. He was only thinking of what he wanted to do. Move around for the little girl for something that she didn't even want to do. At the expense of Barb and Carol. I'm not defending what Carol and Barb did. What they did was wrong. I don't know what they could've done differently. Other than keep moving around and keep getting uprooted and not having a stable environment. Nobody won. Because the younger sister lost her life. Carol and Barb went to prison. The abusive father didn't get what he wanted and lost all 3 of his kids. I blame the father. He wasn't giving Carol, Barb, and the younger sister a stable home. At that point. I don't think Barb and Carol cared if they lost or won. As long as the abusive father didn't win. Which he didn't. He lost big time. He has the pain of losing all 3 of his daughters. Especially the one that was killed. I blame the father. If he was a better father. That never would've happened. I blame the abusive father 100%.
