Got a kick out of the Donut Media reference 😅👌🏼 Noice! On the subjects of bikes, I've ridden both modern and older sports bikes (whilst working in a bike dealership mechanics), and I completely agree that old school liters have way more soul. I currently have both a 1994 ZZR1100 (ZX-11) and an 08 Bandit 1250S, and previously owned a 1996 CBR900RR because of this preference. Less technological motorcycles mean greater rider input and more immersive, fulfilling experience as a rider 💯✊ Awesome vid Yammie Noob team!! 🍻
Most difficult dangerous bikes I ever rode were the late 80s-early 90's GSXR1100s. It's a miracle after owning one as a kid not even old enough to buy a beer & being a green rider that I lived through having it.
Oh my god u just reminded me of my first street bike which was a1992 gsxr 1100 and that was a crazy pig a mirracle I’m alive + I crashed on that bike a lot 😂😂 learned the hard way
Man the ZZR 1100 with a 5 speed gearbox.... insane bikes.... for hard man...not for these new loolypops....hehehhehehe...... Breaked my femur in 9 parts....3 months in the hospital and 17 of fisio after crashing a 1996 CBR600 I bought the 900 Fireblade....hehehehe...... now have a Mille 2003
@@carlosmacedo1700 we have some similarities my first bike was a 96 CBR f3 which I crashed once in the learning process and my brother had a 2001 Millie the yellow one I rode it more than he did so I'm claiming it. Currently on a Ducati
@@silverback3541 Italian bikes are awesome... the mid 2000 with those V2 savage raw engines.... I love my Mille. the breaks suspension and frame are perfect...specially after you tune it all for your riding style... Good rides and stay always safe...regards from Portugal
My dad used to have a Suzuki TL1000S with aftermarket cans and it sounded like thunder going down the road. I recently found out that it was nick named the widowmaker because a journalist died while testing it. It had a rotary damper on the rear that could overheat on bumpy roads.
My riding of so called super bikes was much earlier, late seventies, a Moto Guzzi LeMans 850 and a Ducati 900 SS bevel drive. both ''Italian Stallions'', for their time they seemed fast.... hell! they were fun to ride.
Imagine that… those of us in our late 30’s that have been telling you guys in your 20’s how analog bikes are a waaaaaaaay better riding experiences were just plain right. For a decade I’ve heard from the next gen riders how their new aprillia or r1 is 1.3 lbs lighter, and .48 seconds faster around laguna, and 200 horsepower is where life begins… Nope. Give me a throttle cable, no blipper , and no slipper clutch, or “first gear assist” all day every day. I like a bike that actively wants you to die.
@@monkmoto1887 - If it doesn’t feel like it could fall apart at 100, or try to whiskey throttle me on one wheel over the side of a bridge embankment, I don’t want to ride it… 😂 There are great modern things, like fully adjustable ohlins suspenders, fuel injection, and radial brakes, that allow you to do amazing things on a bike, but there’s nothing better than a bike that physically cannot override your input decisions.
👏 slow clapping in progress to all comments. With exception to the radial brakes and fi. I'm good without a subpar everything but I'd still ride the wheels off one even with fork oil running down the brakes if she's all I had. Fyi kids no wheelies on alot of modern bikes with is that about? We didn't buy jetpacks on wheels to be safer. Fck me I'd rather have a seat belt.
There is a reason why naked bikes have become so popular. The current 600s and superbikes are so ungodly uncomfortable. They just are really for the track. I have a 2009 zx14 before all the rider aids came to play and what an easy and comfortable bike to be on for hours. After all isn't that why we have a bike - to ride - and not stop every 30 minutes because we need to go into traction ?
Please become the new Donut Media. We need that level of love for motorcycle culture and y'all are the only ones big enough to do it justice as far as I can see
I'm for the older bikes. I traded in my 2017 zx6r for a 2002 zx9r. It's more comfortable, feels more connected & it's so much less fussy. The zx6r is probably faster on a track but on the roads and real world my 9r spanks most bikes I've come across
I could watch ya'll on the streets for an hour on those bikes because I do not have the beans to ride something like that, or if I did not for very long before I lowsid'n, high sid'n or even round sid'n, don't what that last one is but that much throttle would have me find out thank you very much.
With all the adjectives and description that's in this video, will all sum up to one word: RAW. The best tech the ever came to the era is fuel injection. And that's it. These bikes were fun.
interesting thing about the ducti with the under-tail exhaust that your butts get hot. I guess my 2006 Honda CBR1000RR under tail exhaust is cooled better because no matter how long or how hard i ride it i have never notice my butt or nuts getting warm.and have ridden it for few hours at a time. have ridden a new appralli 1000 must say I will stick with my 2006!!
The comparison may be bit unfair. I'm biased but it seems that big twins will always have more character than inline 4s. If the Honda were compared to 2021 Ducati V2 it would probably still lose. If the 1098 was compared to 2008 CBR 1000 it would probably still win based on riding experience and excluding lap times....just a thought. I've owned a TL1000R and and RC51 and I never miss the horse power and love the character those bikes have.
I've known this for awhile but still good info. Back when some dealers had lots of k5 -k8 suzuki's I sat on them and thought they were good. Older Honda 600's had decent ergo's for bigger guys. I'm 6'4" also and the newer Kawasaki and Suzuki's are to cramped. I do have a 2016 ZX14R that's better though than the liter bikes. I wish I would have bought one of those older Suzuki's, but alot harder to find now
This was amazing bike. It should have a heat shield on the exhaust. But it would probably cost more then a new Fireblade to get that modified so it works. But I like bike… But think a Kawasaki Z H2 is more usable to me.
nothing past 2005(k5 GSXR or R1) for me but im a 90s guy fireblades/R1s/SRAD gsxrs and TL1000s ect and proper muscle bikes (GSX1400/XJR1300/ZRX1200) all this electronic nanny aids dont do anything for me and 2o years from now the current modern bikes will be junk as all the electronics will fail)
My son in law had a Ducati 1098 in red a few years back. Beautiful bike but lots of maintenance to keep it in proper and safe tune. My son in law put in the time to keep in it in shape for fun rides. It is not just a 5 minute precheck, there is always something to adjust. A young guy bought it from him because it was a rocket but wanted to return it when he realized the maintenance monster he had purchased. NO RETURNS, that's life.
As an experienced rider I think mid-late 00s for supersports to early 10s for nakeds was the peak of the riders bikes. Riders bike as in a drivers car. Now they’re undoubtedly faster around a track and more accessible at the same time sure, but that doesn’t make them as fun or satisfying to crush the twisties or the track on. The analog throttle and seamless unobstructed braking power and heavy clutch cables will always feel better to me than the electronic throttle, cornering abs and super light clutch’s. It just doesn’t smack right
I have a question Right now, as my first bike I'm riding a 1997 bandit 600n, and I really like it so for my next bike in 2 years I'm hesitating between an older bandit 1200 or a newer bandit 1250 Which one do you think I should get? The main differences is one has more electronic components while the other has not I think haha
I personally believe motorcycles peaked in the late 1990's/early 2000's as you seem to be forgetting the Honda Super Blackbird and the Hayabusa. Both pretty fast and yet relatively comfortable.
@@jerryglennie5375 I completely agree. I've never had a bike with any rider aids and I guess that's why I see those as unnecessary add-ons that I'd just as soon not pay extra for. My current bike's old ('88 Suzuki Katana 1100) and although I've had to brake pretty hard at times, ... even with the wife on the back, I've never once thought "gee I wish I had ABS". Ride safe brother and have a great day.
06 for the gsxr and 2008 for the cbr still unmatched 0 order aids with modern suspension and any braking power/feel you want is up to you and affordable. Weight and power get the nod as well. The bussa is a pig there awesome legends like cafe racers but belong in photo albums and short rides to have fun with classics at events etc.
I personally like the older bikes without the technology of ABS or traction control that will let you get yourself into trouble if you are stupid enough to push it that far... 😁😁 Just like I prefer the old muscle cars from the 60s and early 70s that had way too much horsepower for the factory tires and suspension so it took a real driver to control one... I enjoy a vehicle that not everyone can get in or on and drive. 😱
Totally agree. Also terribly overrated are fuel injection, tubeless tires, electric starter, electronic ignition, disk brakes, throttle-by-wire, liquid cooling, and even four-stroke engines. Bikes like the 1969 Kawasaki H1 500 are far more visceral with drum brakes, tubed tires, points ignition, carburetors, kick starter, two-stroke triple, and everything else that made this the original widowmaker. I had one. I have no idea why everyone bought the new technologies as they emerged. Even I succumbed; I ride a 2020 BMW S1000RR that is different from the old H1 in every respect except for having two wheels.
The only welcome addition for me was a slipper clutch. If you ever ride aggressive in canyons. The rear tire locks up on downshifts for a fraction of a second. You have to finesse with your shifting.
05 R1 here, I had this conversation with my buddies earlier today funny enough, his 10r has all the bells and whistles and I'm like "I can track two trips"
The graphic is actualy so awesome because it's true. I've sold '09 R1 because it was too much for me on the street and bought '03 954RR in mint condition (lucky bastard) and I've never been happier. I can only imagine how powerful modern bikes are, even if I had finances to buy one of those (RR-R, M1000RR, V4, etc...), I'd still have and "oldie" in my garage. Cheers Yammie and the team, awesome video!
I have to 1098's little brother the 848 and absolutely love it. No ABS, no TC, but still some good features and a nice dash. Great ride and a lot of fun. Just about perfect sport bike for the street if you ask me
Completely agree. Given the long development time of engines, when they put out this bike, they may have already started development of their V4 engine, as they knew the L twin was nearing the end of its life.
I have a 2003 Aprilia RSV Mille.... Man, the feeling compared to the new ones I had the chance to ride is like nothing you can ride this days..... forget about those new bikes.... buy a 2005 GSX-R, a Ducati or a Mille..... spend some money on good tyres, suspension and brakes (only on the GSX-R cause the Mille and Ducatis have Brembos and great suspension) and have fun....
Done! 5+ years and 27,000+ miles Currently Supercorsa's and a few months with Dyno tuned flashed and remapped 😍 Only 125hp at the wheel But my 750 keeps me on my toes😁
I have tried most new bikes, the feel of my old bikes is not there anymore.... Ride by wire, ABS, traction control, anti wheelie bla bla.... no way I will sell my Benelli 2005 or my Moto Morini Corsaro 2010. So if you think 150 Hps is to little, remember you control them with your right wrist, not strangled by computer giving you 40 Hps!
Are yall serious had a 2006 GSXR 600 THAT TOP OUT AT 172mph with just a power commander an exhaust system. An these liter bikes be struggling to hit 180
As a motorcycle mechanic I have to say that you can't ride 180+hp bikes without TC and this brings me to the point I prefer old bikes. Sharp, straight, better connected to biker, cheaper to maintain. Riding older bikes push you to polish your riding skills. 20 years old 150HP feels more than brand new 200HP. gives more sense of speed. On track oldies has no chanses. On road it is a different story. If I have to choose one of theese I will go for Ducati.
I have 3 ducatis. All of them are old bikes. They are SS900ie, ST3S, and 1098S. I like the triangular iron frame because it's soft. Injection is perfect for regular use. Furthermore, I would be excited if it had the Ducati emblem on it. I maintain it myself, but every time I maintain it, some parts are replaced with external products. This is to increase their reliability. I will be riding these bikes as long as I have parts. I hope that junk cars in good condition will remain on the market for a long time. I might not be interested in a new bike. Turn around the mountain pass with some fun. Take it easy and go to a cafe a little far away. I'm going on a motorcycle trip with my wife. I can enjoy all of them on my bike. I love Ducati. I feel good watching this video. I wish you all the best in your endeavors.
Ha ha ha, old truly is gold, yo don't believe me listen to the hilarious sounds Whitney makes at the beginning of her ride, oh the good old days when you actually took the time to learn how to control your bike instead of relying on robots and micro controllers.
I've been debating this point in my head for a while now. New bikes come with a warranty, guaranteed never abused, have ABS, and some other fringe safety features but they also have electronic throttle valves and lean fueling which I think could hurt their reliability in the long run. The old bikes are bulkier and risk a history of abuse but a lot more pure and raw and you get what you ask for unlike the new bikes which filter everything through a computer. I still haven't decided which is better for me. I think a 3 year warranty would be really nice.
The warranty leaves you after 3 years, the character of the old bike will be with you forever, something you won't get bored of or make you feel outdated as newer bikes come by every year with newer technology and faster than before.
I faced the same scenario, 04/05 Honda CBR1000RR vs 16 Yamaha R1M both second hand. Decided on the R1M and never looked back. Simple things like a slipper clutch, that the CBR didn’t come stock with, modern suspension, better wheels etc.
@@thetwowheeledintrovert3367 I'm at a similar spot. O6-07 CBR 1000 vs new ZH1 or used 1299S or used cbr1000rrsp. Different prices but I still can't decide
@@calebsunder yeah the only issue is that used Ducatis aren't reliable and there aren't many used bikes that are supercharged. Lot of factors to weigh but I really like the look of the mid 2000s bikes. Kind of the golden era for me.
@@ChrisG1392 if you can get a well maintained 848, reliability won't be a huge issue. Of course it'll cost more than a Japanese bike in terms of maintenance, but apart from the desmo service at every 7500 miles, most other things are pretty standard. Of course it's got a riding experience like no other Japanese bike as well.
Yeah but now we have naked bikes which put the fun factor through the roof. I bet 9out of 10 people would say a super duke or MT-10 is more fun that the Ducati….. hear me out. It’s not that the fun factor has went down it’s that it has branched off into a completely new form of bike that is taking the fun factor to new heights while the fast racing bikes have just gotten insanely fast and really good at racing so I truly believe that bikes have gotten better we just don’t need to depend on one type of bike for fun and racing because now we have bikes for fun and bikes for racing. So really bikes have gotten better we just don’t depend on one for everything anymore because bikes have evolved and thank god for motorcycle evolution because now we have buck naked bikes that are loads of fun and sumo bikes there has never been more types of fun bikes than there is today.
Love the old stuff from 90s and 2000s. Have a 2007 ZX-10R and this thing is fast as hell, even by todays standards. It is a fu**in weapon on the Nürburgring and I love the analogue feeling without any assistance electronics.
In these recent 1098 videos it has been mentioned more than once that the 1098 was the biggest and baddest bike offered in 2008. Don’t forget that the 2008 R1 had 180hp compared to the 1098’s 160 hp 😉
People that have never ridden a 1098/1198 will never understand the significant difference there is from an inline-4 bike. It's an entirely different world and raw numbers mean absolutely nothing. Don't get me wrong, the R1 was a great bike. But it's just not the same as having all that torque down at 2,000 RPM like the Ducati's have.
I bought a 1098 12 months ago. My thought is it is sex on wheels. Termigoshi slip ons pipes make this bike one of the best sounding bikes going around. Everywhere l ride heads turn to look. Love it
Drive by cable, no electronic nannys and 160 hp twin? That is sublime. The Ducati Streetfighter version of that superbike has even better ergos. I agree with the premise; these 2000s liter bikes are somewhat of a sweet spot for street bikes.
Streetfighter 1098! In black matt...what a great drive, pure naked and even more comfortable due to the upright sit position. Also, in the same category the Aprilia Tuono 1000r 2006-2010 must be named. Growling fire spitting big angry things...Man I love these machines.
Honestly a CBR600F4i is still better than most modern sport bikes. 90% as fast on the street, available for pennies, more comfortable and aftermarket parts still widely available. When you take into account what is actually legal to do on the road there has been very little improvement in the past 20 years, and in some ways modern bikes are built to a lower standard in the name of minor weight savings and emissions compliance.
It is and it isn't, 600F doesn't nearly have as much grunt of mid 2000's liters, since I owned K2 1000 and now my GF has CBR-F, I can tell, but it is plenty to ride daily
@@jirimollin8638 tbf if you want grunt you can get a Honda VTR1000 Firestorm for a similar price to the CBR600F4I, another excellent value bike but a bit complex imo for daily riding given how old they are, who needs twin radiators?
I got the 2005 r1 in red with exhaust under the seats. It was a real pleasure, no traction control, no abs, just pure feeling and very fun. I don’t like all the electronics in the new bike those days.
Electronics vs experience? I'll take experience every day of the week. Manny years ago I once pulled away from the lights & did a huge stoppie in front of a police car that pulled out of the side st to chase a red light runner after I had started to take off. No ABS, no traction control or nanny electronics of any kind. I still remember the shocked look on the police woman's face as she saw me coming towards her, and the huge grin that I had on my face looking down on her with my back wheel up in the air. It's one of many riding moments that I'll never forget, but would never have happened with a modern electronically assisted bike.
You cud do a stoppie with a BMW M1000RR… Have seen it done many times. Max Wrist has it almost as a trademark move. So that is a thing you can do on a new bike.
Agree 100%. I had a Suzuki SV1000S in the mid 2000s. No rider aids, no abs, not even a fuel gauge 😆. What a great bike though, total visceral hooligan machine and totally reliable, I miss it!
people are whining about how sportbikes are uncomfortable whilere there are literally cyclists who pedal for miles in a super super hunched position no problem
The problem is they never set the bike up correctly, they put on exhausts etc, when really they need adjustable rearsets. And potentially adjustable clipons. I have an ‘16 Yamaha R1M, longest ride so far is 1,580km in 24 hours. It’s a daily rider that I’ve set up for me. Potentially with the exception of extreme choppers, the vast majority of bikes can be comfortable.
Lol, I’m an avid cyclist myself. It’s way more comfortable riding a road bike than a fireblade simply bc you can move your legs and body more on the road bike
I ride a VTR1000F which is so much fun. It makes me sad that the world has fallen out of love with V -twin sport bikes. For the road, nothing beats them.
Every reason you guys touched on is why I love my 1098s. Two issues are the heat you spoke of and the mirrors are useless. Only bike that got close to heat is my TL1000R, my RC51 isn't as hot as the other two. My goal when I got the 1098 was to get as much as I could that didn't have electronics on helping. With that said when you turn the electronics off on the Honda like Geoff May had to to race it because he didn't like the electronics it is still rideable if you have that top 2% skills. If not, never ever turn them off!.
While Im not the old man screaming at the sky and prefer all bikes be carburator and have to kick start it, i do have my criticism on the electronic aids. I started riding when these additional features was being introduced and rode bikes without it. I was fine without the abs/tc, but I bought a cbr1000rr with abs as my first bike with the aid. If i could go back in time I would not get a cbr with abs. The abs system on mine would intermittently cause a complete loss of braking function. I had too many close calls because of having no brakes. Since then ive went back to pre-aids bikes. Besides my experiences with that, i find the added complexity of these additional features and the potential to be intrusive not appealing, these modern bikes might be more powerful but i dont want the more crap that could go wrong both on the bike and working on it.
Man a fucking Africa Twin 1000cc in my country Portugal costs 16.000 Euros about 18.000 dolars..... for what?..... tft displays, abs, and million rider help bullshit?.... with that money in early 2000 you would buy a fucking new Ducati, RSV Mille R or a Honda VTR 1000.... beautifull and incredible bikes.... now they are expensive as hell and the maintenence is not better.... sorry for my awesome English....hehehehe
Back in the 80's I crisscrossed the Australian outback on XT and XL multiple times. Drowned in a muddy creek....= change oil, dry air filter and spark plug over a campfire , and off I went. Try that with any electronic infested 2021.
I made the mistake of test riding a 2007 GSX-R750. Nope nope nope nope nope... HELL NO. First, as a cruiser boy, the riding position was absolute shit uncomfortable. Second, as someone who rides a bike with over 110 ftlbs of torque, JESUS FUCKING CHRIST. That bike had me in PRISON OR DEATH territory faster than I could process what happened. It was insane how quickly and out of nowhere that bike went for underwhelming low-end to "ludicrous speed". There was no warning. No foreplay. It just went from lame casual banter to screaming profanities at me while smacking my ass. In the low revs my "cruiser brain" was thinking, "yup.. this is a 750.. and why I ride a 1900." Then when I hit the upper revs and let it breathe... Holy shit. I have nothing but respect for sport bikes. And can honestly say that if I found a comfortable one for my short frame... I'd probably own my future cause of death.
I cannot imagine a bike more fun than my 2001 ZRX1200R(except maybe my '06 Honda 919). I'm sure newer bikes have better suspensions but what I have seems fine. Have fun.
Hey Yammie Noob,last year i bought my first 1000cc bike...1999 kawaski concourse and yes its a carb engine, 115 to 120hp,6-speed, shaft drive,geared tall,4300rpm[70mph],i think ,for the cash, a great bike! but not as fun as my old yamaha RD400 or my RZ350! Yammie got to try a street 2 stroke!
