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The mk4 supra is definitely not 700bhp lol with a quarter mile time of over 13 seconds and with a dual clutch transmission unless its been setup all wrong
I think the new supra's turbo set up and technology brings it on boost so much earlier. plus its gearbox is geared to keep it in a constant sweet spot in relation to its power band. This is a good example of how peak numbers are not necessarily the deciding factor in how quick a vehicle is.
Also traction control vs no traction control in the rain, you could see and hear the mk4 clearly spinning 1st/2nd/3rd. A dry warn day I would say it would be neck and neck in the drags and the mk4 would take the rolls easily.
@@_Professor_Oak I'm no so sure that traction was even that much of an issue here. It appears to me that the new supra makes more overall wheel torque 'throughout' the race due to how efficient its turbo, engine and gearbox are.
Mk4’s turbo was too big, wasn’t spooling up quick enough. Needs some tyres and an lsd if it hasn’t already got one. Not sure about the dct on the mk4. General setup didn’t seem right. Either way, both great cars and massive respect to the owners 👍🏼
@Pops&Bangs I've seen people stay in while they are wheel spinning, by the time they shift, they are already at full boost and go even more sideways. Its damp outside, and those tires need to be warmed up at least
so much more grip in the mk5, the little aero tweaks, height, suspension setup, tire size, tire compound, less weight, better gearbox, etc. etc. , yea this makes sense also just better driving in general
Mk4 probably needs more rubber, and the Mk5 probably delivers the boost a lot better… I don’t think the mk5 broke traction, which makes a massive difference. Both beautiful though and great content.
Nathan is a top lad - that MK5 is an awesome build and I’m glad the MK5 hate is starting to die off - Lee’s MK4 is a great build as well but I think he might have been better off with a slightly smaller turbo that spools quicker
Not necessarily a smaller turbo because you can get big turbos that spool quick, he just needs one with a lower rpm boost efficiency. Or nos to spool it up
Z4 hate isnt dying off. Its getting worse because they are getting older and and people realizing they are indeed BMW quality. Plus the design is still barf inducing and will be completely obsolete in a few years, like the last Celica.
the mk4 pulled harder but u can tell the higher it climbed the torque broke the wheels loose uv got to be a good driver to modulate a machine like that
Love that MKIV, no matter how the race would’ve went, I would always be a huge 2jz fan. Probably cause I was born in 1991 and I’ve got a massive sentiment to 90s cars. That MkV though 👌🏻
@@ytsux9259 And it is NOT a daily driver, is it? Who cares about drag cars. They aren't racing dragsters in this video. By the way, it's almost 6 seconds. Nowhere near 5. LMAO
@@SNIPEYOPIPE It's in the 5s, almost 6 seconds is in the 5s, 0.1 second before 6 is in the 5s, 0.00001 second before 6 is in the 5s, in no way was anything he said remotly wrong but u on the otherhand. A handful of mistakes, drag races proves actual engine reliability tunability and performance
I stumbled across your channel a few days ago, and my goodness is the content great. So I started binge watching loads of your vids much appreciation and thanks for all you do 👍
Try start from the beginning bro, you'll get a really good sence of the journey of the channel and its journey to here today. Love that energy Jamie brings hes an enthusiast through and through ✌
It's definitely a wake up. I went from a boosted BRZ that I had for nearly 5 years. The BRZ with all the money in it doesn't even begin to touch the Supra. Doesn't cost much more than the BRZ per month.
Me owns a tuned Palio 1.8r 😂 but at least i am quicker than a new fabrics civic sedan 2.0 and same speed as the new corolla sedan aswell... But civic drivers are always mad becouse they think they own a badasscar which is 5 times more expensive than mine but my palio is quicker haha
Mk4 supra was rolling into the Starting line, reducing the Slip, the guy in the Mk5 Everytime would back off a little than WOT and break loose.. Both incredible cars All Supra love very impressed by the MK5 against the old school Monster.
@@streetcarstv5088 every car enthusiast knows that .. but many people don't know how much it cost to reach 1000HP .. it's alot of cash mate . On the other hand for the MK5 to reach 500HP , it won't cost you 3500$
Also , believe me , it's time we look beyond engine power numbers or WHP numbers ... this video is just one example that shows how 500HP modern cars can keep up with bigger beasts😁
@@streetcarstv5088 Yeah, they can make 1000 HP on the stock bottom and still run a 12 sec quarter lmao Just look at the leaderboard in this video. Supras run terrible times for the power levels they make, which would be excusable if they’re also weren’t terrible on road courses. Legit dyno queens without a TON of cash sunk into them. At least they’re good looking
@@MustafaAli-85 you're right about 1000hp costs, but 500hp on a MKIV is just a downpipe, exhaust and maybe a front mount intercooler. No tune needed, just pull a vacuum line or 2 although I prefer a boost controller. This was the recipe for 500hp in a MKIV 25+ years ago. Stomped almost everything then, but not so much these days.
Hp will always be hp, itis the same.. that never changes , what makes the difference is the gbox, ecu and computers technology that makes every thing work perfect not the hp. The efficiency of how the ecu plus engine plus gbox manage to work together.. Hp is the same. 200 hp in 1993 is the same as 200 of today.
@@duncanlang922 it was design to be better ….ofcourse its going to be better….90s car vs a 2020 car with all the fancy tech…..for me the new supra is awesome but they missed what made a supra so legendary …i was expecting the interior design to be more driver focused like the mk4 …but they made the mk5 into just another new fast car …we already have that 🤷♂️…..this is why people keep calling it BMW and making other jokes
@@duncanlang922 ofcourse its going to be better. The mk5 is 20 years newer. I havent heard anyone deny that. You dont hear people saying the 1965 gt500 is better than the 2021 gt500 for example
It's just reality, even though cars like the XJ220 look better on paper than some modern cars, even this new Supra would smash supercars of the 80's and 90's around a track.
I doubt it. The new supra is on boost so much earlier and its gearbox is geared perfectly for its power band. Traction didn't seem too much of an issue.
Nope, traction isn´t the problem. The new Supra has the same benefit, if the traction is better.. Ihr müsst mal checken, dass schnell gerade aus nicht die einzige Disziplin ist. Fahrbarkeit ist das *A* und *O* .
@@joshuadqueen Rain affects the one with the worse tyres in the rain more... Mk4 has fucking rubber bands for tyres and the mk5 looks to have proper tyres on it
Thank you for the Video. The old Supra didn't drive fairly at Roll Race. he drove through the line with momentum and was therefore faster at the start.
as of now the mk5 supra is the best pound for pound sports car for $60k. really does deserve the title of supra. perfect mix of affordability, reliability, and capability.
@@24k__J The Mk4 Supra started much later on the roll to get up to speed. But they were the same level once they reached the line to floor it. If he started much later as you can see in the video, then the only way for him to be possibly at the start line the same time as the Mk5, is if he was travelling at a faster speed.
I think the mild hybrid turbo system in the new supra is the deciding factor. It creates boost much earlier and has a more effective power band. Also, the transmission is tuned perfectly to keep the engine at peak power. The smaller rear tires and heavier wieght didn't help either.
There is something off about that A80. Either the driver is scared to put his foot down, or that car is not 700hp or that box is tuned poorly. I see people talking about earlier spool and sweet spots on the A90, that would be acceptable excuse if they were same or within like 50hp difference, but there is almost 200hp difference, A80 should smoke that A90. I would expect that sort of result from a manual A80 not DSG. I want to see this race again in dry
Nice runs. Was the Supra running less power than 750hp or did it spin in the wet? My 700hp manual MKIV went 100-200 in 6.1 sec measured with the Dragy app, so 7.4 secs is quite a lot slower.
This is why tires are so important. You can have way more power, but if you don't have the rubber to sustain it, well, you saw what happened with the MK4.
The mk4 has a huge turbo on it and I think that its driver was changing way too fast to fully spooll. Moreover the mk4 struggles for traction when the mk5 has so many systems that help it to stay on the road.
The DCT breaks traction on the gear change where as the ZF is much more smoother. If the MK5 had 600bhp with a full hybrid setup he would win everywhere.
You know what I can’t be mad at that 7spd Dual Clutch trannie on the mk4, kinda blew my mind as a guy who keeps on working on my 02 civic (that sat for 7yrs without running) extensively to keep it running lol
On drag i knew the new supra had it because newer cars usually have much better traction than old cars. Well on the roll race i thuaght the 700hp 2j would destroy the b58 but i guess i am wrong
Dann bricht die Power zusammen, darum hat der alte Supra ja soviel Power. Da gibt´s nur *AN* oder *AUS* . Aber das wollen die ganz Schnell&wütend - Bubis nicht wahr haben. Erstens sind das Filmautos, die handgeschaltet einen Scheiß machen, aber keine 10 Skunden und zweitens ist Leistung nicht alles.
that mkiv is 475 whp at best, very similar mph to my supra with a 6spd, I was running low 12s at 122 mph with 500 whp dyno sheet. I ran 10.8 at 135mph with 700 whp BTW I was at 2292 ft elevation on those passes, not sea level also my targa car weighs in at 3495 lbs
My 93 six speed Mark 4 Supra ran mid-130 trap speeds on low boost (18 psi @ 650 rwhp & 575tq) with a 76 mm turbo running 93 octane pump gas. That car is definitely not 700 rear wheel horsepower.
I ran a 12.002 at 125 mph @ around 500 rwhp with street tires. I think I was on a 63mm with stock fuel system and intercooler with the stock ECU and a VPC.
I ran an 11.71@119.6mph in my mkv yesterday with a 1.9 60 foot. Bone stock aside from a jb4 piggyback and some e30 fuel. The mkv puts down the power very efficiently. Catless down pipe and a real tune can put you in the 10s with a tire.
No grip whatsoever with the poor track surface and it was pissing down with rain so couldn’t put any power down at all, the traction control was on constantly.
The interior camera shows the ride quality of the mk5 is much better, less rattles. But wow 13 second 1/4 mi for the Supra with 700hp… my 91 MR2 with 350hp runs high 12s.
This one is slightly tough, honestly for me I prefer new school over old school always have always will don't get me wrong b58 is a Marvel of Engineering it's already a great platform to start from and it doesn't take a lot in order to make it brilliant while remaining reliable (from what I know and what I've seen that's my own personal opinion JUST SAYING 😀) on any given day I will choose new school regardless of the car brand my personal favourite are German cars always have been but in this case of Germany vs Japanese I choose both because I have a soft spot for the Iconic MK4 and its respectable 2JZ platforms of N/A, twin-turbos & single turbo straight from factory for their owners to choose from back in the early 90s over-engineered platform that modern sports cars with the most significant contribution of technology at their disposal that's able to run back-to-back anywhere anytime any conditions confidently but as soon as a MK4 Supra pulls alongside them it's crazy how confidence, arrogance and the cockiness disappears and that tells me one thing or in this case two things you scared because there ain't no such thing as a standard MK4 I've never heard of a standard MK4 or the other thing is probably reason why most of us was so into cars, it's the Pinnacle of where highly tuned began,may even be The Fast And The Furious franchise I don't know why but everything still comes back to one Factor which is the Respect part going up I was always taught to respect my elders and in this case I feel pretty much the same it's been around for about 3 decades feared and respected I've literally just always had a soft spot for them and come on........ you're ever heard of someone who is building their new car and the 2JZ platform is been used tell me that doesn't mean it's serious because all I hear is RACECAR "I bet you if the 2JZ abbreviation was added to a dictionary what do you think it's definition will be let me give you a hint it won't be the engines code name it description should read as follows CRAZY FEARED NEXT LEVEL POWERFUL SERIOUSLY SERIOUS" HAHAHA I'm messing around now but it's more Iconic than a supercar, it's most likely the best example of why we love and are so fascinated by fully built engines and tuned cars there's more than enough reasonable examples all from a mk4 2jz perspective sound of it dumping boost pssssssssshh where I still make with my mouth If you don't like the 2jz then you are clearly not a car guy or you suffering with RB26 fever which is also brilliant but doesn't mean any because R35 GTR has presents but what is a Mk4 Supra is parked alongside it what would you find yourself looking at🤔🤫😏lol
@@gmain1977 with that into consideration I would love to see a rematch with "favourable" conditions for the Mk4 but I reckon the result would be the same
I think this channel needs to get some LHD state side MK4 supras. My Supra is around 550hp and it's doing 11s 1/4 mile? Who are these Supra owners in the UK? They got older ECUs for some reason?
I love this kind of videos makes me laugh 😂 is weird when im on the track all the time watching 2jzs making from 1000 to 2000hp sweeping the floor with the new bmws(supras) jejeje
Anyone who knows Mark IV's know that the Mark IV was supposed to easily take this.. there are a lot of factors in this race, traction/stability control, rainy conditions etc all help the Mark V. Get them both on a good, dry track and you'll see what I mean. Mark IV's Rule! 💯😎👍
I feel like the new tech BMW parts really have not been set up right on the Mk4 Supra, and I feel like the driver has such an attachment to the car he doesn’t want to damage it, great races though abs and a automatic gearbox on the mk5 really did show it how to run the new tech
I honestly thought the MK4 would kick the MK5's butt much much worse than the marginal victories seen here. Very happy and surprised with the results since I'm a 2021 MK5 owner.
I definitely gained some respect for the MK5. It's not a MK4 successor, it's a whole different kind of beast. There's no doubt in my mind that in racing applications, it's the better car. But, a Manual Single Turbo 2JZ is expensive for the aura and the experience it delivers to its driver. This one didn't have the right wheels, and tbh, it's more of a "80-200 roll" kind of car.
