A very interestung comparison! Wow! Guys...I miss the numbers on the screen a lot! Even the miles are hard to deal with (I am from Hungary) and you say the values so quick that it is hard to convert and compare in my mind. Please consider for the next video to put the measurement data on the screen (maybe converted to Wh/km). Thanks a lot.
This is why I have a S75! And yes, I have managed to squeeze 240miles out of one charge while driving at the speed limit, or as fast as traffic would allow.
We have a 2015 S85. Driving on 19" rims gets you more range. We've had ours over 3 years and the car still gets 255 at 90%. We've been using the Superchargers 95% of the time. Wonder if that made a difference. Thanks for the great video.
Love my Model S 75. Perfect balance between price, performance and range. Mine was an upgrade from a Model 3 SR as you’ve suggested. Useful video for future people considering this option.
@@0-Will-0 it’s 3 years old, done 22k when I brought it earlier in the year. Cost pretty much exactly the same as a new model 3 SR+. It was a worthwhile upgrade for more space, better performance, hatchback and it does have better range.
Very useful video! I was debating whether I should consider an older MS for the bigger battery, but it seems like that's not an upside. The newer one definitely looks better and has Sentry Mode which is a killer feature when parking in public places. The only question is if it's worth the 8k difference. Personally, I think I would make that investment so I can enjoy the car for longer.
Update: I purchased a 2014 P85 about a year ago. I didn't want to wait any longer and had enough cash for it. Plus I found a car with full service history from supposedly a Tesla employee. The car is reliable, apart from 1 issue during winter that prevented me from driving. During the winter I had a dead 12V which is ironic as I'm south of the car's origin - Norway. But it was the original 12V if you can believe it! The darn thing lasted 9 years. 190€ for the battery from Tesla did feel like a robbery, but I wanted a quick solution. The car uses US type batteries with reversed polarity compared to EU. It would have cost me 50€ to get an EU equivalent from a local shop and more importantly, a mechanic to make an adapter to reverse polarities. Looking back I should have jump started the car and driven to a mechanic. And also in the winter a single parking brake motor failed, but luckily it was stuck in the off position. Cost another 400€ to fix at a local Tesla specialty shop, 150€ of which was for parts. And while the MCU1 is completely usable, I scheduled a service appointment to upgrade to MCU2. MCU1 can sometimes take a few seconds to boot and prevent driving. The UI in general also feels sluggish and unresponsive. Finally, I have the original (as far as I know) eMMC chip which doesn't inspire confidence even if my Service menu says it's in good health. Feels like a ticking time bomb, when the eMMC will crap out. Coming back to the video topic: What this video underplays is the impact those 21 inch rims have. They can reduce range by almost 10% by Tesla's own estimation. So 224 miles for S85 with 21" and 244 miles for S75 with 19" could be almost entirely up to the wheels. And it makes sense, really, because while S85 is in the name, the actual usable battery capacity is around 78 kWh. While the S75 has around 73 kWh usable. S75's higher efficiency + less degraded battery will make up the difference.
I drive a Model 3 Performance, but have had a lot of seat time in older Model S. They are absolutely wonderful cars. I prefer the rwd S. Super fun, and playful. Lots of space. Absolutely a joy to drive!
Great video , didn't miss Richard 😉 2014 p85 83k miles 19"wheels for reference 9%-70% at membry SuC 46min, peek of 122kw for a short time . 75mile trip stats from teslafi . 21c, 500ft elevation gain. 45mph AVG Hereford to membry services some 50mph AVG speed checks 75.69 Miles Driven 27.08 kWh used 358 Wh/Mile 76.8% Efficiency
Yeah I used to get around the 350 wh/mile on my 2014 85RWD and not dissimilar on my 2016 P90DL, both had 21” wheels and think that is the single biggest factor in efficiency for a MS.
I had a 2014 P85 and then a 2019 MD SR+ and now a 2017 s 75 and love the 75 the most, cheaper than a sr+ and real wheel drive, more space, better acceleration, and also has the opening roof which is great. I have done MCU2 and CCS upgrade and still less than £40k
I went for a ride in a Model S once. The difference between it and the 3 are immediately noticeable. My favorite thing is how quiet they are compared to the 3. They are more comfortable of course, but there's not all this wind and tire noise.
Great presentation Joe well done , a natural, I drive a sr+ and had never thought of the comparison between the 75\85 and m3sr+ cost- range . I'm waiting for the Y but fear it won't come with smaller battery when it's released .
Also 75 is a 350v car with less modules in the pack to lug around. If you aren’t going up and down the country aiming to charge from 5% it’s a reasonable weight / energy saving. There’s a lot more 75d out there which do have the extra motor weight but they were touted as being more efficient than the 75.
Is the acceleration in S 75 worse than S 85 or it feels quite the same? I test drived 2013 S85 Performance 420 h.p...feels very nice. But does driving S 75 (even newer year) makes a huge differents when you step on the "gas"?
great video but charging comparison should have been done better such as 10%-60% where most people charge. 85 packs have slowed down with time and it would have been interesting to see time difference there. What is useful battery capacity in both cars according to scan my tesla?
Very good point on charging. On road trips makes a noticeable difference for me , always try to arrive at chargers below 20%. 2014 p85 83k miles 67.7kwh nominal full pack
Good video and good comparison. Here in Norway of course we have tons of Model S' and of course the Model 3. Bearing in mind there's now over 125 EV models to choose from. Tesla certainly has some real competition now. Over 70% of all new cars sold here are pure EV's. Enjoying all your videos immensely!
I have driven rentals cars these few months: the e-tron, xpeng, ID4 and enoqa (skoda) and i have to say that TMS 15 85D i own is much bether then thoese newer car brands. Only problem i have with TMS is if u had a shoulder injury u will struggle to find a good sitting position
Just had a s85 . Loved that car. It got totaled so getting a 75d now. I still felt like my s 85 was better than 90% of other cars on the road today. Especially after a facelift. Just make sure you get one with ap. Good luck
That's it I'm voting for Joe in front of the camera from here on in 😂. Thanks for the video just the sort of video and comparison I would be looking at
Interesting video I bought a S75d from new and at 3 years old and 40k miles at 90% of charge it shows 199 miles now, 221 at 100%. Probably been charged at home 80% of the time. I'm slightly annoyed that it's dropped below the 200 Mark, especially considering that the 75 in this video has 1/3 more miles on it yet gets 5 more miles of range, anyone else have any interesting data points?
model s definitely has a more desirable stance and looks as well. In my neighbourhood in Cambridge you see so many model 3's. The moment you see a S model, it turns heads everywhere.
Another thing to note as a difference between this and the model 3 SR+ is handling and drive feel. If you love cruising down the motorway maybe model S has the edge. But if you like a more engaging drive on twisty roads model 3 is way more fun
Im getting a new 85kw put in my 2013 model s. Because tesla doesnt make 85kw for the S anymore, my new battery is actually a 100kw that has been software reduced to 85
Great comparison test. I drive a 2014 Model S P85 now up to 125,000 uk miles owned from new. Having driven the 85S there is a world of difference in the P version due to its heavy duty inverter. 0-60 in 4 seconds but when you use that performance your on about 325W / mile, of course you have the option to back off. Range wise its about 220 miles and charging is erm yea slow so typicaly 125kWh from 10% battery but quicky dropping to 90kWh at about 30% then from 40% on aound 60 to 50kWh, however thats fee supercharging as its a pre 2016 car so grab a coffe on Elon. My P85 RWD would have left these cars for dead in a tail happy blur, if you like that then RWD may be a good choice, consensus of opinion is the RWD cars drive realy nice much like the ICE world if if any comparisons dare be drawn between the 2.2 ton P85 and a 911 its that they are rear power unit rear drive cars, in my opinion you can feel the more precise quicker steering of the RWD only cars compared to AWD twin motor.
What would you say is ok mileage for a 75? Electric car mileage not as important as petrol due to less moving parts ? Am I right is saying you can have a higher mileage electric and it not matter ?
Doesn’t really matter but higher mileage does still mean more general wear and tear, and they still need suspension bushes etc. But no they don’t need clutches, dpf’s, etc etc like usual crap Ice cars need for maintenance in addition.
what mileage do both vehicles have, the older 85 has a larger buffer and therefore similiar useable energy, the 75 has 72.5kwh of useable, also battery degradation, higher mileage should have more degradation
get a SR+ model 3 if possible, you'll get autopiolt, faster computer, better charging time, less power usage, and newer design and components which as of 2021 are alot beter than 2020 and before
I had a Model S 75 2016 facelift for a week as a loaner while my Model 3 was in for a warranty repair (and I couldn't fault the service btw). My impressions were that the interior immediately felt old fashioned, which I hadn't expected. The handling and suspension also felt significantly behind the Model 3, although it's possible that it was a bit baggy if it had been abused as a loaner. It was very spacious and noticeably quieter than the Model 3 and obviously has the hatchback rather than the saloon which makes it more practical. I'd expected to feel like I'd been spoiled and that going back to my Model 3 would be a let down. However, my overall feeling was that the Model 3 is the better car.
@@TheSteinbitt Actually no - an older car, even if combustion engine, has done most of its pollution some time ago while every newly built car is terrible for the environment before having driven a single mile. Disclaimer: I still like e vehicles and have one as my 2nd car.
@@andrewolff708 Yes, and actually the 'greenest' thing you can do if you have a modern ICE vehicle is keep it well maintained and drive it until it's ready for the scrap heap.
EV adoption is accelerating every year. The number of electric vehicles and types of vehicles and trucks is growing. Electric vehicles are just better. No noise, no emissions, less fuel costs, less maintenance costs and amazing technology. Gasoline and diesel are OLD polluting technology. So last century. Electric cars, electric trucks, electric buses, electric trash haulers, electric snow blowers, electric lawn mowers, electric snow mobiles, electric water craft, electric garden tools, electric mechanic tools, electric motor cycles, electric bicycles, electric scooters, electric farm tractors, electric construction equipment, electric delivery vehicles, ...... everything is going electric. No worries about starting after sitting for a few months. Gas always needs repairs.
