Old Vanilla Naxxramas - Time Warp Episode 3 

I really like your Time Warp Episodes, please do many more of them. We need this since Hayven Games is no longer with us. ❤️

Why is madseason talking so much faster in this episode than he normally does? I had to put it on .75 speed so he sounds normal 😂

So excited that we're going to be able to experience Naxx on classic wow servers now!

That invasion event was fantastic. When they used the same event as the pre-WotLK event, I was over the moon... and say what you want about the whole zombie thing.... I loved that!

Naxx 40 was my all-time favorite raid. The difficulty and just the size of it back then was just amazing.

Anyone else got into WoW just abit too late and missed all of vanilla end game? Feelsbadman. I dinged lvl 58 the night before TBC was released.

In all fairness, Naxx was pretty trollish. 8 AQ40-geared tanks needed for Horsemen? You'd be lucky to have 8 AQ40 tanks on your SERVER, let alone your GUILD. Which meant you had to spend time gearing up new tanks for just ONE boss encounter.

RIP oldschool Nihilum :/ Those were the times.

i remember the day naxx was released...my guild had roughly 25 on and keyed for it...we tried each wing with our main tank and some of our healing team...i laughed so hard after the first spider pull wiped all of us in under 3 secs. we were aq geared so we had confidence...that changed quickly

I hate to be bringing it up on another video, but after what happened to hayven I'm glad I'm subscribed to you. Just knowing that there is a channel to turn to with interesting content about the evolution of Wow is still a nice thing. Thanks man

Blizzard should have not rushed BC. Not that it was rushed but there was still so much life in vanilla that it's release was premature.

Naxxramas not being seen by the majority of the playerbase falls on Blizzard's hands. It makes me sad that they decided to remake the raid and then not give it a proper remake. Some of the damage numbers were still at vanilla levels despite health pools being nearly 10x larger.

still remember those days when we all were 60, so much fun.

Used to raid with a top Horde guide on Stormrage, not because we were a top guild but because AQ20/40 and naxx broke about 6 guilds above us, IIRC we cleared spider wing and a boss or so more. God Naxx40 was an awesome experience.

I played on a WOW vanilla private server a few years ago and only a couple of guilds on the server were at the level of gear required to even attempt the first few bosses in Nax. And this after a few years of grinding and gearing up new people WITH the advantage of the raid mechanics knowledge. I guess in our current society people just don't have the patience anymore to grind for months through 35-40 man raids just to get into Nax and get their asses kicked hard. Getting 40 people in a raid is hard enough nowadays, much less 40 WELL geared people with a few hours to kill 2-3 days a week. With the ease of access that the new WOW and many other MMOs now offer, it is hard to find people with enough time and dedication to attempt vanilla Nax nowadays. It is just one of those things that will remain legendary stories for the people in the guilds that managed to kill Kel'Thuzad in the vanilla era. They will never forget that moment. :)

"The Anub'Rekhan fight had a bug" I lol'd

This raid was the "one that got away" for me. As it was with most people. I think something like 0.1% of every single player that's ever bought a subscription for World of Warcraft was able to clear the raid and kill KT. My guild, which was the #1 horde guild on my server at the time, got up to 4 horsemen and we proceeded to get wrecked over and over again until we gave up and hung it up for TBC. So I never got to clear this raid and we still got further than most other people did. I hope I'll get my chance to beat it with WoW Classic coming out now, whenever it does come out that is. I'll still be playing it regardless if it comes out in a month, or 3 years from now. I can't wait.

Man, I love these things... Accurate, nostalgic, and simply interesting. Keep em coming!

Vanilla Naxx raid, it's event release, attunement quest always been my favorite WoW release. Such a great journey it was to complete it ! My 2nd favorite raid was Karazan.. 3rd favorite Zul'gurub. Also honorable mention to the design of BRD & BWL.. Ahh the days where shit was done right! Just needed to put time & efforts.

Really awesome! nice work, more of them please ^^

I started playing with WotLK and of course Naxxramas was my first raid experience. I remember how much we struggled on bosses like Grobbulus and Heigan. Eventually my guild got better and better, but Kel'Thuzad remained such a huge obstacle. I remember we would clear the raid in an evening and the next day we kept wiping on him over and over and over. We managed to down him just once and that was honestly the most satisfying thing at the time. I know WotLK doesn't compare to Vanilla, but I must say I still really enjoyed this raid and I'm glad it was brought back.

these are the best intros like I don't think theres something more raw and real as just waving like saying hey whats up im one of you guys and I play this game! I love love love it

Once i saw a Tauren fury warrior with full old T3 transmogged + corrupted ashbringer in each hand, looked really strange^^

I only killed 4 bosses in naxx back then:D and I'm really loving this video btw:) just made a video when i started wow:) I remember it like it was yesterday hehe

what a time to be alive and play the most epic game ever created....i miss the golden era of wow....

Naxx actually saved my vanilla experience lol. When all the warriors bailed to wait on BC, the bears and pallies got a chance to shine. I tanked Ony, MC, BWL along with ZG and AQ20. We were starting into AQ40 when BC dropped. I went to Outland as the only pally on the server with Thunderfury lol.

me and my guild back then cleared naxx, it was my first raid and i will never forget that experience, the fight that stayed with me the most was sapphrion, for which we all needed frost resistance gear

I always think its funny when I hear about this raid, and people said "ehh we only have 7 months to try out this raid. thats not enough for it to be worth our time". now days, its "this 7 month gap of content leading up to an expansion is stupid. we already cleared the raid 100x"

I still have my Haunted Memento from that event

I got the rare Phosphorecent stone drake (the purple colored one) during the very early days of Cata. I remember one day just making my dk sit in the so called spot where people spotted the rare dragon the most, and then I logged off for 3 days. On the third day, I logged back on my dk and the rare elite detector add. Went off like crazy and what would you guess? It was the rare mob for the mount!! I killed that thing and then did a bunch of loops around the middle of Org showing it off to everyone who didn't have it (I was one of the few people on the Hellscream server who had the mount during those days). I also miss the days when the Hellscream server population used to be full through wotlk and cata.

rip hayven games :(

Miss the good old days in the original nax, brutal but fun and very rewarding. It didn't deserve the bc roll over treatment it just ruined the experience completely and they messed up the hole Ashbringer quest-line etc. R.I.P Naxsramas i will always remember your glory days.

I find it really nice, that you are doing these short series :) I am a Hayven subscriber as well as to your channel. While Hayven was doing a really good job with he's "smokes and mirrors" and "wall glitching" and model viewer, it's damn impressive good content you are throwing out there while you got a lot of other types of content to make, let alone actually playing the game as well :) Good Job!

Hey, we need more of these episodes! These are great man, really enjoy it!

Gosh, I miss the old days. I was part of an Alliance-side rogue squad, three combat, one assassination, and one Subtlety (myself). We ran world PvP all over the place (most of the group, myself included, had no idea what we were doing), and just in general got into shenanigans whenever we could. We ran Gnomer with our little squad at one point, without a healer, and we legit celebrated and figured we could probably handle anything in the game if we just used CD's on a certain rotation, shared aggro, and carried bandages/potions. It was all so experimental and fun, there weren't any real "rules" to how to build your character yet... So many good times.

Nostalgia nerdgasm!! 2 years back i still cleared naxx on a private server as #1 guild! good times

I love the a link to the past music in the background, it's very relaxing

nice video, my deathknight has the old zul gurub warrior set

Good work with the video. Never would've clicked this video had you extended it to 10 minutes.

great videos brings back memories of better times

i remember old naxx, I never even entered it but I remember eyeing that dreadnaught warrior gear thinking it was amazing. I did complete the naxx from WotLK several times though so I was happy about that : ) I could never get the dance of death right hahah

The Wrath recolors of some of the sets, mainly Dreadnaught were so nasty. Wish they had just left the originals alone!

I do enjoy some of these time warp episodes.. Good job Mad..

I honestly have never spend that much time into wow, but due to me picking up a mint condition copy of my fav pc game ever (warcraft 2) I have acctually thought about playing it, due to me playing multiple mmo's over the last 5 years (eso, gw2, bdo) it sparked even more interest with me. I played a few trial games and acctually had a bit more fun when I was grinding mobs instead of the quests. Due to the legacy server announcements I can proudly say that I will be playing WoW to max level for the first time ever! Might even wanna dabble into the current base game!

I remember doing the spider and patchwerk without any MC gear. I got carried big time 🤣

Another reason for Blizzard to put effort into "legacy" servers.

I love your videos and narration. The production value is great and there is just the perfect balance of information, humor and most importantly, lack of any bias or resentment. You are truly a WoW historian, but there is just one hiccup: Blizzard definitely still has it. A company running an MMO (or any game or software) would be mad not to keep at least one copy of the old client for reference or backdating if something went wrong. If a player got accused of an exploit, or any other issue arose, they could just fire up a backdated server and test out the problem or preform a rollback if the patch was somehow critically bugged. There is no reason to delete previous clients, it's just a few gigs. I guarantee you there is a vault somewhere with some hard drives filled with each patch. I wouldn't even be surprised if Blizz staff played on them from time to time on LAN. Now I don't doubt that when things are directly overwritten when new content is added, and I'm sure the merging process is very labor intensive and error prone. So it would have to be "destroyed" on live, but the old 1.12 clients definitely exist. If private servers have copies, Blizz would have copies, like old drafts of a book. That was my opinion before the Classic announcement, and the fact that they are even considering releasing classic servers is a testament to this. They would never commit to manually downgrading a client to 1.1 from 7.whatever by hand. They are just deciding when to implement it, marketing, design changes (hopefully lack thereof), and optimizing the old client for new hardware. This is just a layman's perspective, but it seems the most reasonable. Great work as always, just wanted to throw in my 2 cents.

great video!! i remember going into it with my BC raid team (i was a pvper in vanilla). We didn't take it seriously so we never got far. Knowing now that atiesh and corrupted ashbringer were removed, I really wish we had pushed harder through it. ; ;

Love you channel. It looks like your subs are going up. I hope you get at least one half million or more this year.

This is kind of making me think of resubbing to go back and replay this older stuff (currently in BFA) well at least the ones that are still in game.

So if Wotlk Naxx had almost same mechanics as Vanilla Naxx I must say that Blizzard stepped up their game pretty fast, comparing fights from Molten Core to Naxx in terms of mechanics. Great series, keep them up! RIP Hayven.

I'm actually surprised you didn't mention how The Four Horsemen required 6-8 tanks, making it a one of a kind encounter

Let’s put it this way....I went into Naxx with about 35 level 70s. We had greens/blues. This was before they removed it from the game. I paid for my attunement because my rep was like friendly, when I paid for my attunement BC was right around the corner so mats weren’t too bad. We wiped literally not sure how many times. There was only 1 person who knew the fight but no one knew they were doing. After like 8 wipes I went to bed. So, yea.....the instance was no joke.

I love the remixed Zelda theme!

now the real question here is, how did Naxxramas fit inside Naxxramas?

I think you are nuts to think that Blizzard deleted the files. I bet they have extensive backups of every single patch and hotfix. I could see this being re-released as a Timewalking raid, after Black Temple of course.

Can't wait to see how people cheese this in classic. I expect 4 tanks on 4H with them rotating clockwise, ret and balance Patchwerk fights, and other shenanigans now that people know how to do everything.

Cant wait to run this when classic comes out! After probably a year to get ready for it!

Much appreciated. I really want to learn more about this raid.

You didn't even lengthen the video to hit the 10 min ad revenue add. Nice.

naxx 40 was for the most hardcore gamers in the world.

my friend logged his 60 priest inside old naxx right on shutdown when it was going to be removed. His character was stuck in old naxx that was empty for 2 years before he posted a GM to be removed to a graveyard.

A testament to "difficulty by absurd raid comp requirements" rather than actually being hard. I mean, Thaddius caused enough lag with the ridiculous amounts of spell effects that one person getting a little spike (or worse, crashing) wiped the raid. The easy bosses were pretty easy (you could kill easily Heigan with 10 people). Very unfun raid (I enjoyed AQ40 to an extent and BWL is my #2 favorite raid ever).

Love your episodes! Keep them coming!

Whispers, of an ancient tomb...

I still remember full T3 guilds using that gear up until Karazhan. They did not have to replace most of their gear until then, especially Thunderfury.

My guild on a private server "largest private server" was clearing Naxx in 3 hours. We could also do AQ40 and BWL in 2 hours(total for both on raid day with warlocks alts summoning etc). I'd pop a flask at first boss in AQ40 and it would be either just dropping off + - 10min on Nef fight at end of BWL. Crazy dps was going out.

Can't wait for AQ and Naxx :D

Minor correction with what you said regarding AQ: the AQ invasion event actually did have elites scattered throughout other maps, especially at Silithid hives in places like Feralas and The Barrens. The minions were at zone-appropriate levels, so everyone in the server could participate even if they weren't able to get to Silithus. Other minor correction: Tier 2 was actually available at incredibly reduced drop rates from Molten Core and Onyxia before the release of BWL (although the skins looked different), so it was around for quite a while longer than "just a year", per se.

1:25 our goal was to fight em AAAAF! cracked me up a bit :p Awesome video!

I dont even play anymore but these videos are very interesting

Blizzard a few years ago: Original Naxx doesn't exist anymore Blizzard, planning the rerelease of classic: Hold my beer.

If I remember correctly the Lich King has always made a cameo at the end. They just updated the voice to Wrath’s current LK

The server I was raiding on, which were Tarren Mill (Before Nihilum transfered there) only had 1 guild that actually managed to clear it as far as I remember. It was a big deal. Personally I was pretty casual when it came to PvE, so never got further than some MC and AQ20 in my small guild.

in my head I keep putting the hook to "Part Time Lover" to your intro music....

Fantastic as always sir.

a small detail that no one really talks about,i think i remember the exterior of Naxxramas having ooze spilling out of the sides of the building,kinda like the picture shown in the thumbnail of this video,atleast it did in the previous version that was in eastern plaguelands,when it was moved to northrend it lost its oozy luster,along with all the original loot,and a few npc assets changed to fit the models in northrend(for example: the fen creepers were removed in the plague quarter,and replaced with the undead version of the faceless ones,and the geists,and the giants were added in to give it more variety) Also i don't believe that part about them not having the tools to fix current naxxramas to its original form,they could simply change the loot tables back to their original form and scaled down the item level for a timewalker raid,just like the black temple timewalking raid coming in patch 7.2.5, all the assets in naxxaramas are there,with the exception of the loot table and a few trash npc's missing,i don't believe for one second that they couldn't do a timewalker of this,but with the retarded dev team at the reigns i would not doubt they would do a timewalking raid based on the WOTLK version of naxxramas,which i would expect them to do,and no one really cares for that loot anyway.

Ah yes, the good old Naxxramas, the only raid instance that kept my guild playing till we dropped, literally. I remember the endless attempts on Gothik the Harvester, to a point where I fell asleep while we were preparing for the buffs and pull. And it made me master the art of keybinds aswell as turning into a kickass tank hahaha. I was in the top alliance guild on our server at the time, formed by clanmates coming from Need for Speed Underground, who were all very competitive players back then. Patchwerk forced us tanks to grab absolutely every single buff, potion, elixir and flask you could put on your toon, including some buff you could get in UBRS by mind controlling a particular mob. Reaching 10k health was a jawdropping number to see, and yet very much needed because that ugly bastard's hateful strike hit for around 8k. As it was released in WotLK it was a huge disappointment how easy it has become, and for the laughs we tried to enter with half the people and even that wasn't a particular challenge apart from a couple of bosses who couldn't be done that way. Yes, the mythic raids surely were challenging, and yet I dare to say that NOTHING challenged any guild as HARD as the good old Naxx 40.

great review! please keep them coming!

I absolutely love the style of Atiesh. Which is why I hate the complete removal of Nax40 with a passion

A rare number of inaccuracies here (for you). AQ40 gear was largely junk. We disenchanted like half of it. No, you needed every raid member mostly geared out in Tier 2 (BWL gear) to do well in Naxx, with a mixing of MC and AQ40 gear in that for good measure. But... the majority of people were wearing primarily BWL gear to start Naxx.

> mention of Atiesh > me cries > me curses Khadgar

The difficulty of Naxx was mostly a microcosm of “difficulty” in general in Vanilla. Just a very different game back then. The bosses only had a few mechanics, and seeing as there were no catchup mechanics AND gearing was very difficult, as well as Blizzard not seeming to understand their own game (as you mentioned AQ 40 Tank sets when Tanks needed DPS to hold threat), it all got balled up right before BC launched. If the progression in BC was a bit smoother, the bosses less buggy, and flying wasn’t a thing I feel like it is more of a genuine “hard nosed MMO” experience, nostalgia withstanding.

i like these vids great to hear the history of the game

"Not too impressive" Uhh the recolored Tier 2 Paladin gear was great! Undying set!!

i love this series nice to reminice

I was in risen on my druid naggy. Was wild times progressing in this raid lol.

I just can't believe that Blizzard wouldn't have any old backups of the game. It's one thing to delete it from the live servers, a whole other thing to delete all records of it. They could bring Naxx40 back, maybe not on the live servers (due to a lot of the mechanics changing) but they could easily start up an old Vanilla or TBC server with it on. Would probably take quite some effort to make it fit into the current game servers, but not impossible

its a year late but WHEN i PLAYED ON PRIVATE SERVERS IN WRATH, i used hacks to teleport around theworld to gather stuff, and one of those hacks had the id number of old Naxx, and everything was still there. Blizzard only created a new cell with Wrath naxx to fit with the new entrance, while old nax cell was still there.

You didn't mention the scourge invasion also put temporary bosses in low level dungeons, like Shadowfang Keep (Sever).

I really do wish the tier 3 sets would be remade like the tier sets for black temple were with Tomb. Cause the color combination and design of some kick fucking ass. I hope they also bring back Kel'Tha-freaking-zad as a raid boss since we technically didn't destroy his phelactory. Hope that's how you spell it

I cannot wait for the classic server(s), I started at BC and never had the full vanilla experience as characteristics were being slowly removed at the time. These expansions have too much instant gratification.

Blizz: Nope, these items are gone forever, you can never see them again, it's impossible. It's not like they can't just make new ones...

Blizzard is telling the truth the raid no longer exists. Back when they moved it I did an experiment where I logged off inside Nax and delete my hearthstone so I would not get teleported out. When I logged back in after the patch all I got was a ton of game crashes. If it still existed I would have been just loaded into the old Nax.

This guy sounds like nicest guy ever

Great vid. Always interested in the old content. You won't be able to get to old Naxx though. Each instance runs on dedicated servers (not realms, physical servers). So whatever servers were running the Naxx 40 instances would have been shut off long ago.

The increased lvl cap in TBC is what killed wow for me... all I invested into my characters in vanilla for nothing when quest rewards were comparable to raid gear in hellfire peninsula.

Awesome vid, thanks for sharing

I will not be surprised if an undead pop up in UC

now that there's no promise of a new expansion, Raiding guilds in Classic will be doing it same as all others. I can't wait. Anyone looking for a Human Arcane Mage? I'll be leveling with fire though because nostalgia.