Great video ! I find it very funny the fact that the people who paid for all those magnificent buildings, didn't care at all about the landscape! In most of the old pics, there is a lack of vegetation, no trees at all, and in some, just a few trees, clearly planted recently!
@@stefanichim9342 yes ! That says a lot for the mudd flood theory don't it. There are some very good pictures of the mudd flood on different sites. The ones where they are digging it out are very telling. In some places it is running down the side of a building on a angle and yet covers 3 stories on one end of the building. There go's those trees. How else could the ground be bald like that. Almost All ! Of the sanitariums are devoid of any thing but grass. Dam strange
Thank you for covering Helena…..it is my hometown and it’s filled with old world buildings…..my research has uncovered numerous lies that have been told regarding the ‘discovery’ of the region and more lies regarding its development …of course, when lies were told about the people who developed the area, well, what do you expect?
One of my best friends on the ship in the Navy was from Helena. I wish I could remember his name. He's a diesel mechanic. I told him I'd come and visit him when I got out of the Navy but after breaking my neck that idea never happened. I did go to get to Montana do work on an oil exploration crew for a few months. I did not make it to Helena though. I never had any idea they had buildings like that. There are several old-world buildings in my hometown Painesville Ohio
I grew up in great falls montana until age 10. I remember seeing the county courthouse and thinking it was very impressive. There is also an old train station which qas once considered the nicest one between chicago and one in washington but was long out of commission. Also, great falls boasts one of the most magnificent old high schools in montana--you know one that went through a evolution and got a massive clock tower since they needed that so bad in the early 1900s. Also, at one time the city was known as the electric city becuz of all the hydroelectric dams on the Missouri river running through it. Currently, great falls hosts one of the largest sub terrainian nuclear arsenals in the country at malmstrom air force base.
I've heard a bunch of rumors about Malmstrom, you mention subterranean, I've heard that Malmstrom is one of the major connection points for the entire underground tunnel network that runs under the US. Also, I've heard that Malmstrom is a training ground for experimental aircraft/drones and also a staging ground for planning "alien" abductions and sightings. Also, Malmstrom only houses one air plane, pretty strange for an Air Force Base....
@@TheNeilandBobShow interesting 🤔 Also, one of the military sightings involving UFO happened at Malmstrom involving all systems going offline in the presence of a UFO. Yea, I'm not sure about whether nukes even exist anymore who knows what is going on out there.😆
Great video! I’m from Montana and have been trying to get Jon Levi to do a video about Helena, and MT all around. I’ve seen a lot of these structures first hand. They used placer mining in Helena to help found it. It is the same structure on that corner building. They said it is rebuilt after fires and earthquake. I have an old photo of some beings in Helena that are taller than humans. It’s totally a trip. It’s from that website as she was.
Hi there….fellow Montanan here….from Helena….I directed Jon Levi to look at the Broadwater Natatorium, which he did cover in a small segment of one of his videos….I was hoping it would tease him into checking out the rest of the community but he hasn’t done it yet… we have so much history up here and so much unexplored….heck, I’m an old lady and even still I learn something new and fascinating….and I’m leaning toward being a part of an old empire that once thrived here at some point in history….by and of whom? That’s what people are trying to learn….peace in your world and journey…..oh, what photo are you referencing? I am on that website often, know it well….wondering what I missed….
@@sparklesparklesparkle6318 …I bet I know the bookstore…..they started all that stuff in the 90s but didn’t call it Pride at the time…..I saw what was coming….
Regarding Chinese tunnels... there were also some in Butte, My hubby used to be able to access them in the 70s. the entrances are all closed down now. It was mostly opium dens.... closet size rooms with a bench to "sleep" on while wasted.
I believe my grandmother lived in Helena when she was a teenager. She died in 1999 at 93 yrs of age. She gave me a small very old pine china hutch that was taken from a house they lived in that was due to be torn down, I estimate the hutch to be around 2 hundred yrs old, maybe more. It was obviously hand-made and has leaded glass. My mother was born in Billings in 1924. She died in 2019.
Amazing how many schools there were! And so huge!! There's no way there were that many children attending school in the town with such a small population.
Just a thought but the children could have been brought in by the Orphan Trains at the time. They lie to us about the narrative anyway so the schools could have been filled with kids to help repopulate society. This all could have been purposefully left out of history as we are told.
There were too many schools for the populous…..UNLESS! …. orphan trains stopped there, which they did…..I am from Helena and have been trying to establish the actual census of the time….I’ve scoured the census listings, directories, newspapers, etc, and do not find anything to support so many schools….you are also assuming they are schools because the mainstream tells you so….they could have placed some children in front of a random building for a photo shot and then represent it as a school to reinforce their narrative…I’ve caught a few lies and don’t believe any of it…. As far as locations in the west being chosen for expansion and development, I always wondered, ‘why Helena?’ Why there? Unless there was something already there. I believe there was….you see, the history of Montana and its cities was written by the Masons, it began with the Masons. It doesn’t include all that was here before they arrived as they molded our new story into their agenda. It was war time and a dynamic period. But we have been misled and redirected in our history. As for all the schools that looked like castles? I can only say to use your imagination….it’s closer to the truth than you’re being told.
Hiya OWE. The narrative of 'the wild west' is no surprise here. What is a shock, is that Natatorium... absolutely incredible structure! I've never seen or heard of it before. Awesome job, bud 🍁Cheers! 👋🤠
I live in this state. Helena is nothing like this now. But im not too familiar with it. But the more i watch these and realize that not everyone probably got their own fancy castle estate. There must have been an elite upper class who had grand estates here, like in Europe perhaps, hot springs, or hunting lodges. What were the common folk living like back then, or where were all the people for these huge buildings? Whos elaborate scheme and collaboration was it to destroy all of these old world buildings, ppl like the robber barons? Why the shift from that to now ad how? Mystery
There was ABSOLUTELY an elite group who established Helena….old money from rich families from back east with historical ties to people like Washington, and Lincoln, through blood or loyal service, and all intermarried or related somehow….. one big happy borderline incestual American royal family….it’s nuts…its claimed they made their fortunes here on gold, but no, it was old money AND things like the Homestead Act that gave away large chunks of land throughout the state…..guess who got first pick on the land? Guess who was able to expand these land grabs? Yep. Old money. They got richer, for sure….but it’s a small handful of men who ‘established’ Helena, Fort Benton, Havre, Great Falls, Conrad, Kalispell, Miles City, Billings, Missoula, Bozeman….they branched out as far as Deadwood….and Helena seemed to be the main hub for these men……Montana royalty….probably because it was move-in ready with all the grand structures sitting idle…..
I live in Great Falls, Montana - I've lived in Helena & got to stay in one of the ancient mansions there for a summer.(looks like one you showed with a 3 story tower) Omg this was wonderful! Thank you for your work! This was an incredible video!
Montana seems to have been obliterated during reset as that entire state has masses of underground cities, tunnels, "opium malls" etc. I think they've found at least 3 story buildings underground in Helena, but might have been Havre? They even invented a name for it Montana Club's Secret Tunnels.
I believe the tunnels played a larger role than we’re told….I’m sure they were known about….and I suspicion they were used for traveling through from town to town….in the Helena newspaper they would say they were running up to Fort Benton (133 mi.), or Havre (203 mi.), for a quick weekend and would return in three days…this would be in the blizzards of February in impossible conditions long before any trains….it would logistically take three days just to get there if they didn’t freeze to death on the way….and leave it to the ‘good old boys’ to name it the Montana Club Secret Tunnels….they took claim of them just like everything else in sight…supposedly there was the original creek where gold was found that ran down Last Chance Gulch (downtown main street) that was converted to run underground when the town was being established….I say the creek was ALWAYS underground and was actually one of the tunnels with water running through it….I believe it was THIS discovery and not gold, that was the real pay dirt….gold was used to lure men out to the west to populate it …sure, gold was found, but the real gold find was underground ‘real estate’…..and only the ‘good old boys’ were privy to and had the old family money, and government funding, to commandeer the whole state via underground. I tell ya, this Wild West story beats any old western saga into the sand….too bad we’ve been denied a story so much more interesting than what we’ve been fed….
It’s not hard to work out. Helena is a Greek word. Montana is an Ancient Greek and Native American word. No mention that the American natives spoke Greek. Creeks, Cherokee etc. you won’t here that on this channel.
At marker 15:16 of the Carroll College building the photo is definitely manipulated…white-out….if u zoom in to the small clump of bushes at the left it is obvious…the bushes aren’t cleanly outlined…there is a sliver of background below the white….so it’s very feasible that the wing on the right side of the building was also whited out….
South America moved a thousand miles east, and I haven't heard one geographer mention it. The constellation Orion changes, and no astronomers say a thing. It's happening right now, why is that?
Had heard about the Orion change. Actually showed old and new videos of the same people saying both, and never a word about the change or why. I'm not sure what to make of it but say the two places are millions of light years apart nuts
Well it sure does look like a lot of those foundations are much older dug out built on ruins. The population statistics are odd too. Those orphanages were huge. Wtf.
I don’t think you have been to Helena and just picked some parts of the internet. Otherwise you would at least realize that Helena is nowadays about 80k people and not 30k. The city limits only encompass a small part of the Helena valley and the majority of the population lives in the county. There was lots of money in the town and many connections to the east coast.
A lot of those old buildings the stonework is not veneer it is stonework a lot of the sandstone very soft we have something called the rims a huge sandstone cliffs face in Billings severalhundred feet tall running for several miles
Surprisingly some ancient buildings from Helena's early day shown in this Helena Montana historical film are still standing, having been spared from the disastrous Urban Renewal in the 70s.
Great falls also had one of the world's tallest masonry smoke stack at one time destroyed in 1980 built 1918 580 ft: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anaconda_Smelter_Stack
@@oldworldex it may have actually been something else or a part of another structure. It wasn't necessary to destroy it and was a sort of landmark and kind of architecturally beautiful
This city fascinates me. In the survival zone too 🎉 I live in pnw where the narrative is particularly silly but this is even more so It’s clear some kinda catastrophe ended things and we got going again..
Can’t help but wonder what really happened in late 1800s early 1900s The mass dying off of the bison, dust bowl, quakes, great fires… just seems there’s a huge chunk of information missing Who really lived throughout this realm.. I have my theories but seeing so much moorish buildings is truly a surprise What a shame the natatorium is gone ..
Some of them names in which the citys the buildings were in had tribe names,just makes me wonder how old they truly are??I saw one of those early 1900's vid clips that showcases the citys from the main road and it was in San Francisco and they come up to the final building it looks like built in 896 a.d. and it looks like they tried to put a very 0oorly carved one or i in front of the 8 but u can barely see it and looks way different then the others,u can pull it up on YT
Hmmm. We have a Deaconess Hospital in Wenatchee, Washington that was allegedly "built" in 1915. The hospital was reconstructed from the family Mansion of John Gellatly, one of the first proprietors in Wenatchee.
@@oldworldex Coincidentally, I had several 2nd / 1st great grandparents in South Dakota and Montana in early to mid 1800s. I know there used to also be another massive Deaconess structure in Spokane, Washington. I think it was either a hospital or a school.
Being a mining town they could justify having an enormous amount of dynamite and explosives on hand. Perhaps enough to simulate the destuctive powers of a real earthquake ? Dynamite being used in building demolition work.
While I was watching the school section of the old magnificent buildings and once they were destroyed by these so-called earthquakes in the 1930s the rebuilds look like concentration camp style dwellings. If you look at some of the buildings that were built in New York City after World War I and 11 they were designed after concentration camp buildings especially the housing projects as they were very easy to build and fit a lot people and it was a form of socialization also very useful for compacting lot of people into one location to control votes.
I personally feel like we woke up from a reset around 1880 after at least a 200 year period of chaos. It took many centuries to rebuild language and teaching enough for people to begin to translate english and latin. These Earthquakes seem to have not happened when they claim. If you look closely at the rubble there is a distinct layer of filth over it that could not have built up in less than 15 years. I am thinking that Saint Columbanus may have much more important than we are told. It is likely that he lived only a few hundred years ago and not 1600 years ago😂. The Irish Friars and Monks of Luxiel Abbey are credited with “rebuilding roman ruins” throighout Europe under the Guidance of Columbanus, Domgal, St Gall and the others. These minks openly converted fortresses and bastions into breweries, got peasants drunk, shaved their heads, and made them stand in the river and pray all night. I am thinking these nut-jobs came up with history and it has only been a few hundred years since that happened.
To present a false history that favours 'them' as the benevolent aristocracy controlling the direction of humanity. It also keeps us from realizing our true potential..
@oldworldex I don't know if that's enough motive for me tbh ... especially over the time scale .... now if you were to say it's the other dimensional beings that are trying to control humanity ( demons) and they are using vertain groups to do their bidding ... then maybe ... I just need more motive for the scale of supposed deception.
I feel like you’re intimating the mud flood theory? You’re severely miscalculating the fact that my homies who live on the flathead/Salish reservation, the Blackfoot reservation, Crow reservation here in Montana all say ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about this architecture being here before them. There’s literally NO STORIES from them seeing or using them for shelter etc. DEBUNKED.
Those news reels drive me crazy. Always seem like propaganda filmed in a studio. The one you show about the earthquake reminds me of the bomb scene in white Christmas. So shotty and of course cameras there to catch the buildings falling in real time. Come on now, who do they think they're fooling.
So. The questions of prefabricated lies to cover up and not only in corporation of America, but also in Europe. Outstanding architecture. That was not made in by human hands. Human ingenuity so-called.
@@TD05SSLegacy Some of us can smell the rat...others insist there's no smell.....but history as written down for us has a stench to it. Watch it unravel...
How far back can you trace your lineage with 100% certainty? Everyone I know who has looked backwards always encounters an "adopted" relative before they get even 5 generations back.
Ooh, i had a trippy underground experience in a storm drain in Helena: At the time, it was a superficially normal exploration. But it was really more like an allegory or a fun-house walk. It dead-ended at an odorless oddly-lit white tile foyer that appeared flooded with sewer water with poop and everything. No smell, & the floor was clean. White-tile movie theater looking stairs descended into the poop water, & i could see down a few feet. The water was calm & clear. The area was odd & out if place. I eventually gave up looking for secret doors & climbed out the handy nearby metal ladder rungs. It had a manhole cover that j could lift. When i emerged onto the street level, it was in a city park with a view on the grand Masonic lodge. It was all lit up & imposing. I felt like if i had made the secret sign or password, the sewer water would have drained out & the curtain would have opened. Dancing Oompaloompa chorus line or something. Montana is weird.
I research every city referring to real estate prices in the USA alone and something very interesting I found is that these old world buildings and bridges etc are absolutely in every small town and large city in America alone !
@@scottbaker-ScottyB yes, it seems you can find some " old world " structures in just about any town and every city. I grew up in a little town on the I5 corridor in Washington state and even this little berg, of 10, 000 people when I was growing up, 1965 let's say, had it's old world buildings of sorts,, brick streets, our own brick plant, and the lile. The old high school, torn down in 69 ? Had 12' ceilings and maybe 9' black boards. Gigantic compared to the stuff in the buildings I went to school in. The fox theater was probably the coolest one. RR main line runs through there too. We still have brick streets.
At exactly 7:18 mark you see the cables used to pull the facades off the buildings, like they did in San Francisco and Long Beach erfquakers. Nothing inside seems to be affected.
…shortly after this mark they report those left homeless, particularly a few hundred orphans who were then boarded in train cars…..huh….that’s new news to me….it was always the story that the new high school was damaged and STUDENTS were taught their classes in train cars…..so who are all these orphans? The orphan trains definitely came to Helena, but I’ve never heard this ‘homeless orphans living on trains because of the earthquake’ story before….I’m from Helena ….
I grew up in Helena. I never understood the grand artecture. I took an elective in middle school called Helena History, but that just made me wonder even more. It is definitely an otherworldly place.
I Like the music for the videos and always the content and narration. Always respectful in tone. The best videos are the ones with the city maps involved.
The 1870 census reflects 2377 population, not the 3100 listed in wiki…..and I don’t know exactly what they determined to be Helena….I believe they included numerous people from outlying valleys and such to be included in the Helena census…it could mean the whole county…..so NEVER trust the numbers…..at any rate, there wasn’t enough people, men, to build all these structures in Helena and around the state at the time, let alone men qualified in construction of this caliber. P.S. I am from Helena and have felt the conflict for 50 years between what I was told and what I was seeing…delving into its history has divulged many lies and secrets in its past…we’ve been totally lied to, but the truth is coming out.
It’s hilarious how you people think you’re absolute experts on everything to do with history and architecture. “There wasn’t enough people…”. How the hell do you know that? I mean do you think a basic construction job needs more than 100 men or so? How can you possibly think these ordinary stone structures using basic architectural techniques that had already existed for hundreds of years are somehow ancient structures built by a lost civilization because you’re too lazy to try and understand how they were made. And too stupid to realize how ridiculous your conspiracy is.
I saw on another channel like yours that these "bird's eye" view maps of our towns are probably made by real estate auctioneers as a brochure to sell a newly discovered town. Old photos of towns always show muddy streets and no people. There is definitely something going on! Thanks for your video.
@@chrisshotwell4442 but would show lots of blur if there was a robust city, and Camera technology is actually much older, in fact, video, MUCH older than photography it self itseems. You want to see it? its actually in Texas, Smithsonian institution. The sad part is i have no reference #No. to call up to look at it. they will show people anything, they don't care. people like us are no threat, the only downside, we need a ref# number for them to locate it it. they store crap like the va-ti-can but instead of books, its objects and old electric furnurses from the 1700 dated. ~
@@chrisshotwell4442No. If you research the history of the camera you'll find out that cameras shutter speeds were actually a lot faster than most think. Very interesting.
Looks to be repopulated in the 1930s, after they dug out and refurbished the antediluvian buildings. They blamed the destruction on an earthquake that may or may not have really happened. Many such cases, but sometimes it's a fire.
I think its an actual sinking of the land/earth, sort of like quick sand or liquefaction. Had a dream after I moved here to SW Montana that I was driving along down one of the dirt roads, looking at a map, and suddenly I just fall into a huge sink hole of sorts, Lol. And the map goes flying, very scary dream. Lots of old world buildings here, mansions galore, mining town, known as the richest hill on Earth. I know Anaconda just basically a cow/horse farm pasture, no reason to have such grand buildings there. At one point when workers/miners came from all over the world here, the towns population was 100,000 or more, not now.
I see in the first picture a team of horses or mules hitched up to a couple wagons. The man driving the horses is called a teamster. the Truck Driver's Union today is named after them. he has 20 mules to haul 2 wagons. today he'd be a truck driver hauling doubles. not really a lot of bricks and big cut stones could be put onto those wagons to haul stuff to the build sites.
It's barely been a century since they made it illegal to slap a stamp or on a little white kid's forehead and mail them across the country to work for a new master/owner/parent/guardian.
I recall when first visiting Helena, for work not sight seeing, I thought "why in the hell is this town the state capital?" It just seemed so isolated and unreachable were it not for an interstate leading to it. Certainly before the road was built it would have been a difficult journey to such an un-strategic location. On a following visit I found myself gazing up at the capital building perched up above the bulk of the city. It is an imposing structure. And both then, as well as now, it just didn't really make sense how or why such a hulking building would be there. It seemed really odd though until recently I had no idea why. I'm from the greater Salt Lake City area and stumbled upon John Levi's channel and it really blew open some doors for me. Being from a lower middle class family with no connections to money and power the world was presented to me as a simple and free place of opportunity. That naivety was shattered some time ago and I'm aware of the extent those whom hold power are willing to go to maintain that power. Lies are only the tip of that iceberg. It's not an easy task to get anyone to re-evaluate the world around them. Nobody wants their paradigm destroyed, it's a damned uncomfortable place to be when that happens but if we wish to truly know freedom it's a process that must be completed by all. And speaking of liars, the LDS temple in Salt Lake has been under renovation for about five years and even though they have tried to keep the prying eyes of the public off of the building it's been revealed that there are at least two more stories beneath the street level of that building. The fairy tale told by Mormons just got even more ridiculous. A handful of pioneers could NEVER have constructed such a building. And id wager against anyone being able to replicate such grandeur by anyone currently. Sorry for running on but I guess my point is that all the lies are crumbling and that's good because if I hate one thing it's that I hate being lied to. Thanks for helping expose some of the deception.
Then, you look at a place like Garnet Ghost town, which would have been 'Booming' at the same exact time period, yet all the buildings are straight up log cabins.
I live in an old mining town in Idaho. They saved the original town hall from the 1860s and it's a wooden shack. Doesn't make sense if they were building all these beautiful buildings only a few hours away. Not to mention this town was originally the capitol of Idaho. It probably was the capitol until they found Boise with all it's beautiful old world buildings. Something like that maybe.
@@thegoodobserverspeaking of Idaho Boise has an old demolished building almost 100% identical to that natatorium in this video, with the same name as well. Salt lake had a very similar structure too. All three seem quite ridiculous with the given timelines. Idaho has much less of these structures overall though in my opinion,
I call bull$hi+ on the lot of it. No way, no how did they do all that in the late 1800's with donkeys, wood carts, hemp rope and pulleys. Someone is lying to us.
Everyone I know personally who knows shit about building if they take in the mainstream narrative on these old world building's will straight up yell bull shit!! Most don't believe in the reset theory but they know damn well the mainstream narrative isn't true.
America was colonized by Europeans - why do you think they wouldn't have built the SAME way & style that they had in Europe - don't forget they WERE talented artisans❕
7:22 they have multiple very high detail close clips of buildings collapsing but they don't have a single video showing how these buildings were built or decorated or all the materials being transported, right... similar to building costs figured out to penny but no single surviving blueprint or construction plan anywhere
My family is from Charlotte NC. My great grand was born in 1863. The one room school with a pot belly stove, well & out house have been preserved by the state. I thought the east was developed and we went west. And yes I believe our history is a total lie. Thank you
I live in Billlings, that court house is know where to be found but the Moss Mansion downtown is pretty impressive for a mini-castle that couldnt have been built the way were told...
I grew up in Billings. There's a few other old world style buildings still around town beside the moss mansion. There's no way they were all built when the place only had like 8,000 residents.
WOW!!! We moved to Helena in 1948. My father, G.V. Erickson, was 4F for WWII and so had gotten his Masters in Education. He had administrated schools across northern Montana from the 1930's and moved to Helena to be principal in four or five elementary schools (Broadwater, Hawthorn, Emerson, Jefferson) at the same time for the baby boom in 1951. He eventually was Principal of the Junior High (In the old High School) before we moved to the College in Bozeman. I attended Broadwater, Hawthorn, and the Junior High with either my father or uncle as Principal for my first 7 years in school. Broadwater had a ramp that led to the basement and for many years I had nightmares about that ramp. I also remember vividly, Vigilante Days with the incredible parade. On that day, students in my dad's schools were allowed to wear their six guns to school, but had to leave them hung up on the coat pegs in the hall. I have often wondered what my dad thought walking down that hall at Broadwater with a hundred six shooters hung in holsters. We were dismissed at noon and hastened home to go down Last Chance Gulch to watch a parade that lasted about two hours with high school classes making floats, Helena High and Catholic School bands, the National Guard with color guard and band and even an occasional tank on a truck (to protect the asphalt streets). Several of the local rancher families rode in the parade with matching Palominos or other horses and silver saddles and matching costumes. My Uncle, A.G. Erickson had also been Principal and eventually moved to be Helena's long time Superintendent of Schools. He was a long time resident of The Montana Club, just down from the Post Office, a private men's club built by wealthy miners and having one of the best kitchens in Montana. He oversaw the destruction of some of those schools you picture and the building of many new ones. I particularly remember his pride over the C.R. Anderson School (C.R. was a close family friend to both my dad and uncle.) I learned to swim at the old YMCA's indoor pool and remember as a small child feeling our house out by Carroll College go bump a few times with small quakes. Two quick notes: It is pronounced SHOW-TOE, and PLAAA CER (a kind of mining operation taking gold from the creek.)
Great video. I have always wondered how cowboys and Indians tie into Phoenician shells and faces. We have some of the same art in some of our buildings, except it depicts 1800's farmers and Indians, plus Phoenician boats and faces. The artists' work is almost identical. 🤷 Another question is what was going on between 1492 (what a joke) and 1830? We have no information about America during this time in our history classes. Our history makes huge jumps in time.
Holy crap dude. You think there’s zero information about history between 1492 and 1830 because you don’t remember being taught it in class? Pick up a history book for Christ’s sake. I mean are you forgetting about the whole revolutionary war? What kind of idiotic statement is that.
@@corey57255 I have read many books. I am not talking about his story. I am speaking of our story and there are many questions for me about this time period. If history books answer your questions, then that is good. For my questions, they don't answer much. Like again, what does Phoenician symbolism have to do with North American farmers, cowboys and Indians? I haven't seen it in a book yet. So what was going on? If you can point me in the right direction, it would be very much appreciated.
I wish to convey that this very high and large building styling is something that speaks to me. It gives me a feeling of nostalgia, an astute yearning recognition of something that I've had but now is lost. I will also add that I've have had dreams a few times of such buildings too, but even higher and larger ones, that connect like a city with sky bridges. Take from this what you may.
People like Bill Gates keep popping into my mind, people not quite right in the head, you know. They wrote a lot of the history that preceded the cataclysm they created and started right around the so-called turn of the 20th century. There are a couple of curious houses about a half-mile from where I live in the city of Anaheim. One is supposed to be the first wood frame house built in what used to be the Viceroyalty of New Spain. It's called The George Hansen house, or the Pioneer House of the Mother Colony, purportedly built in 1857. Nothing fancy, but a tidy little place. German immigrant Hansen built it and lived there for a few years before selling it to some of the Sepulvedas, Spanish nobility who lost their land grant Ranchos after the Mexican-American War. Right next door to it is an extremely detailed Gothic style house which was supposedly built in 1894. It was moved there from its original location about a mile away in the 1920s. I think a lot of the history for this area is rewritten and jumbled, and at some time around that turn of the century, the reset took place. These two houses back up to the athletic field of Anaheim high School, which was purportedly built in 1898. It's not particularly ornate, but it is Old Worldish, and hopefully it doesn't double as a Masonic Temple. However, half a mile or so to the east there's a commercial plaza called DeMolay Center that looks like it was built in the 1960s.
Spain had already made it to the California coast and mapped it out by 1521 I believe..if they already made it why wouldn't they return and build cities they had more than 250 years till America was established..there are maps that show most of North America and mexico were part of Spain..Portugal found Brazil in 1500 and they colonized South America ..Russians also made it to San Francisco area in 1721..
@@pacwest5153 when the New World was being divided between nations by the Pope in the 1500s, each country was given a Atlantic coastline section and everything to the West. for example Potrugal was given the coastline of Brazil and everything west though they ended up stopping at the Andes Mountains. that is why they speak Portuguese in Brazil. France, Holland, England were given North America. in the many years while the USA was making its way across the continent, Spain, who had been given the lands between Brazil and up to Florida in North America. well, the Spaniards got some islands and Mexico which turned out to not have much land between oceans so they hung a right and went North into what is now the Western USA. They stole all of it. now not theft like we think now, because we, the USA did not even know what existed to the west. so Spain illegaly settles the whole SW USA and by the time we found out nobody remembered or gave a shit about what the popes had decreed back in the 1500s. so none of this proves anything about these old world buildings in Montana or anywhere else. though there are a few adobe and wood buildings the Spaniards built out here.
@@yellowcat1310wowzers I didn't know the Pope had divided up the lands that's interesting..hopefully information and history will be more accurate in the future with all this technology.
You'd estimate how long to construct, and how many workers (manhours) Modern architects can give you a rough estimate for the manpower required to build one. Using modern skills, imagine during the horse and buggy era? Black and Decker says the first power tools came in 1895, before that everything done by hand.
I lived in Helena all my life. I never thought much about the buildings. But you are right. My grandfather was born in1889 in Helena. I wished I could of asked him these questions. 19:23
The story for many buildings was also about some wealthy man from “ back east” built these in the style of the mansions on the east coast. And how convenient that they could then sell property ( that was already there) and become even more wealthy. And- Chinese tunnels.... also in Deadwood, SD, near where I live.
Helena and Deadwood are tied together by the same people…..both communities established by men from old money from rich eastern families, all intermarried or related somehow….and government funding….and Helena, like every other place, is riddled with underground tunnels…..don’t know that they were by the Chinese, which I highly doubt (probably already there), but the Chinese likely used them. They were the crux of the population until they were burned out and removed.
@@calebfleming1607 Not that I’ve seen anywhere. Was just there before the 4th. Wanted to do the tour they used to offer. Surprise- they stopped doing them. Too many people waking up . Is my guess, anyway.
I grew up in Helena. Two things to keep in mind about Helena. At the time covered in this video it was the wealthiest city in the country. Think Musk, Beazos, Finke, Munger etc. in one place at the same time. Second the population isn't just Helena but many communities like Maryville. Maryville is essentially a ghost town but it used to have thousands in it.
My 2x great uncle William O Williams was originally from Bangor, North Wales and worked as a miner in most of the mines in tthe territory before settling at a Ranch near Jefferson City. He was known as Captain Billy Williams. His obituary in the Helena Daily Independent dated October 11th 1928 states that he owned a quarry near Helena and quarried many of the rocks used in Helena buildings, including what used to be called the American National Bank and the old Lewis and Clark County Jail.
Population was about 10,000 in 1900. The amount of citizens that would have been able to work (maybe aged 16-45) would have been much lower. Maybe 4-6 thousand? How many of those were master craftsmen that were capable of building huge multi-story ornate stone buildings in 1-2 years?
Do not know if references to population were of adults, or everybody. The 1880 Census of Helena was carried out in the June of that year and there were miners, butchers, painters, blacksmiths and so on there. Ranchers, cabinet-makers, musicians and stockmen and so on. Not so many kids it is true, few old people, printers, seamstresses. By no means everyone was a builder!!!
@@sidpheasant7585 Sometimes they just did census data by household back then too. I still find it odd when considering the sheer amount of these buildings being allegedly erected from around 1790 to 1900 that there would even have been enough tradesmen at the time to pull it off. And when considering the timeframes given for those buildings (2-3 years usually) it becomes even more evident that there just weren't enough people with the skills that creating these masterpiece buildings would require.
@@xyludexaalud Agreed, remarkable as the consequences of that truth may seem. Have you thought about the full implications of all that? I have tried to, but my mind gets a bit boggled. The biggest possibility would "just" be that we actually live in the Matrix. Though I see that some round here go for good versus evil interpretations (even)...
@@sidpheasant7585 Yeah, I've definitely considered the subjectivity of reality itself. That the more one delves into topics like this or anything regarding the past, the more things start to unravel since the past may or may not exist from an objective standpoint. Like the fact that you can't really prove that something happened 10 minutes ago, all you can prove is that you're looking at the alleged effects of it now - and now is the only time frame that actually exists anywhere. I also have considered that we're in some kind of matrix or game where occasionally the board gets reset for another round and the players don't bother to clean up the old stuff before beginning anew. If that's the case, it sure would be nice to know what the winning conditions are so we can hold on to our butts for the cataclysm lol.
@@xyludexaalud having spent tons of time family-tree tracing, I would say that the records kept look "solid" - no sign, say, that they were created at the moment I looked for them. And for years I've had that special feeling genealogists have, that as we go forward we are also using long-dormant documents to generate "new" history! So our ancestry DOES seem to represent a cohesive story, but of course we know little or nothing about the conditions those people were living in, and of course we also don't truly know if they experienced the same history as the history books tell us about, or even if there is true continuity of history Still I did have a distant ancestor at Waterloo and another at Sevastopol, so the family history seems to tie in with the big-events history. The weirdest thing I noticed was how, in the 1720s, my małe ancestors "had to" marry again and again and again, as the wives and the babies kept dying. Very few kids came through to have kids of their own in the 1740s, say. And obviously, the sample of me is non-random given that I am here because my ancestors did survive. Although history records seem to be good at that time, it is NOT obvious that anything much was noted then. However, we know that at the time of the 1950s London Smog, people didn't really see what was happening as it happened either. Then again, ot might be that American history is more reset than British. Some of my family also emigrated to Wiconsin from the 1850s on and there is no real suggestion they were living im "frontier" conditions, though I suppose thay ought to have...
The image early on in this video showing the grid lines the town is based on is similar to those shown on various Jon Levi videos. These lines look ancient and most North American towns and cities sit on them.
The questions that the narrative never answers, or even attempts to ask are so instructive as to what is being hidden from us. These small very remote towns and cities are illustrating this very important point. Why are we never told anything about how these towns were built? Where the materials came from, milled lumber in mass, quarry stone in mass brickyards in mass. Not a mention as to who the craftsman were who actually built the town, where did they live who took care of them? Where did they go? How did they have the skills to build these buildings and city services? They do not ask those questions so they don’t have to make something up . They give us countless very detailed descriptions of wild west shootouts and robberies and gold mining stories, but not anything about how anything actually came to be. We get an architect every so often, but that’s not who actually builds anything. Truth is there has been a concerted effort to hide the truth of our past , and the fact that to this day there are zero mainstream historians even remotely interested in what anyone in this community is discovering is the proof. I am amazed every time we take a road trip anywhere in this country and see the endless railroads that we supposedly built out of nothing in areas very few people we’re supposed to even lived. But they were built nonetheless with zero real information about how this was accomplished. Just grand stories of heroic millionaires and destitute non skilled workers.
He doesn’t address construction issues, etc, because like everywhere else, there are no records or photos of any construction….Helena was established WAY TOO SOON after so called discovery of gold…it never made sense…but it does make sense if something was already there….they needed to establish their lies to cover it up, so they brought in old money from rich families in the east along with government funding to do so…then they burned out all those already there who were no longer wanted, ie, the Chinese, which was half, if not more, of the population…it was also wartime, 1864, when Lincoln was looking to expand the north ….Montana had many men from the south living and working there…they also had large amounts of money they were potentially sending to support the Confederate cause….that had to be eliminated, so hence, the story of the Vigilantes and Road Robbers……it’s all a lie…the ‘road robbers’ were all Confederates and the Vigilantes were agents of the Union….hired by Lincoln….the country was broke and Lincoln needed their money …..so disappointing to be lied to when the truth is so much more interesting.
Lmao. Maybe watch a documentary on the intercontinental railroad? It’s hilarious how stupid you people are. All the information you’re asking about is there you just have to go look for it. Don’t expect people to answer your idiotic questions. I mean you people are looking at basic architecture of the post Industrial Revolution as some kind of lost ancient civilization. It’s ridiculous
The only construction photos were given are clearly projects that were under construction when the event occurred. Ironically, these photos that were clearly staged in an effort to take ownership of the creation of the magnificent structures pictured ,and by extension all of the structures in question, only serve as proof that the inheritors were totally incapable of craftsmanship and capabilities displayed in these magnificent structures.
The problem is NOBODY knows their Montana history. I know from experience there are vast numbers of families who did NOTHING to preserve their stories what so ever SO we do not have as much written history as some states. I have had to do the deep dive on my own family and know for a fact my ancestor settled the state in 1864 on the heals of the Montana homesteading act. I can't speak for Helena but the rest of the landscape was a fkn giant wilderness. There were NO buildings and it is VERY easy to erect a brick building anyways lol. Most of the folks that moved west were not couch potato youtubers hahaha. They were miners, ranchers and masons of the highest order. You wouldn't know that though. Bet you haven't visited a single branch of the Montana historical society either... lol. Go read the national archives for the old news papers the the billings gazette or the Red Lodge Pickett or any of the hundreds of papers that have been digitized. The freemasons contracted most of these weird romanesk buildings. THEY were everywhere in the early days and ran everything. Gold, silver and copper was EVERYWHERE at even higher values than California during its peak. Corruption was the norm. Freemasons and Mormons were doing what they do.
20:42 The downtown in my city looks something like this. The population in my city is around 10k. However, the downtown comes from a time when the population was much larger. Presently, these buildings are falling apart as a result of the inability to maintain them. If a 10k city cannot even afford to maintain, how could a city of 10k have built them. I cannot make sense of it, other than to say that somehow civilization is going backwards.
I was there on a fishing trip this year and the capital building is absolutely ridiculous. and there was a building with a turret that was very well preserved, looks totally out of place. It's crazy I was thinking this place is old world, and then here's your video, great stuff man.
@@mtguy234 we'll go look at the building and then realize that people with horse and buggy built it, which is obviously ridiculous. The turret was a church I believe.
