People who lose their shit if a game can't run at 120fps at max settings on a hand held really need a reality check. Got a deck last year and I'm constantly blown away by how well it runs the majority of games.
Yeah. You are right. I personally find 60 fps better than 120 because that means I get better picture quality. That is for PC ofcourse. For consoles, it depends on the game, 30 for some, 60 for some, and 120 for a few. With the steam deck I guess mostly outside of older games and indies it should be 30 fps.
@@nophacetech I tried cyberpunk on steam deck but the UI is so small it's unreadable I'm at the tutorial area in the beginning and I can't make out what button the game wants me to click
@@thehive4560yet everyone who actually has one loves it. It's a handheld device, it's not meant to the greatest system ever. I swear some of yall sound like idiots
I limit the frames to 30 for Elden ring and play on medium as well. In over 177 hours the only place I've had stutters is during specific moments in boss cutscenes, which is weird but it's consistently the exact same spot each time. People don't realize that in a handheld 30 fps is still good because the screen is so small. It still looks crisp and I don't even have the OLED version. I'm definitely happy with the quality.
I LOVE my Steam Deck. I realize it's a handheld, so I'm not expecting it to be able to play AAA games at high settings and 60 fps. But I've been pretty impressed with the performance of many games after tinkering with the settings. So I'm happy with it and I Can't Wait to see what they do with the next Steam Deck.
I can’t wait until FSR3 is released in the wild. It’s some amazing software that is a literal game changer. The Cyberpunk test you did was impressive. Never even tried Ultra.
Fun fact : he was testing Cyberpunk 2077 in Dogtown which is the most demanding part of the map. No doubt that in base night city you can reach stable 60-70 fps in high + FSR.
I got stutters on cyberpunk every 5-10 seconds, the fps drops to 4-5fps for a sec and everything back to normal. Same happened with my lcd and now on my oled as well. I play the GOG version. Any idea what’s wrong? With the 2.01 started the stutter.
@@cow77cow Yeah 2.0 just made the game more demanding to play. But you should try to activate FSR if it isn't already, you can try to lower graphical settings to medium. And try to avoid dogtown as much as possible cuz this part of night city is definitely not optimized (even on PC).
@@t0adi Thanks for answering, I got this stutter even on the menu, or the intro video. The sound running perfect just the fps drops to 4-5 every 10 seconds. When goes back to normal runs 40-45 fps,
I really appreciate you just getting to the meat and taters of the video. I don't get a lot of time to sit and watch so it's greatly appreciated. For that, you have my sub.
It looks to me like you're running Witcher 3 in DX12. This game runs much better in DX11 on the Deck. Load up the game launcher and you can switch to DX11
Even though you mostly clicked on presets, I appreciate the education and research you gave me. Kept me from doing it on multiple games… same I even learned that there were Steam Deck presets! Subscribed
I wanna add i played cyberpunk 2077 on my high end PC and everytime you go to dogtown the FPS tanks so the fact that the steam deck is hitting 60 in by far the most demanding area in the game is insane (I actually used moonlight to play cyberpunk on my steam deck because I thought “it wasn’t powerful enough too” 😭 how wrong I was lol absolutely love my deck!)
It looks like when you enable the manual gpu clock at 1600, it pulls power away from the CPU, and puts it toward the GPU. This would help in GPU bound scenarios, but the performance might be worse in CPU heavy areas of the game like dense crowds.
Thats not true lmfao. He is using FSR 3 frame generation which he somehow failed to mention. This game has an issue where you need to pin the gpu to get good performance when using fsr 3. He had fsr 3 on the ENTIRE CYBERPUNK SECTION! It affects the LCD and the OLED.
Great video and very detailed. I subbed because you asked or would have forgotten . More oled vids and comparisons would be great maybe some emulation 😊
thank you hahah i'm editing another low-ultra right now will be up saturday the latest and then i think i'll do an emulation video soon after :D stay tuned.
I just turn everything to low, max out texture details, and turn off reflections + godrays. FSR is used when possible in-game, like Baldur's Gate 3. You also should lower Watts used to where you _just_ experience a dip in performance, then raise it by 1 (and only raise it until dips no longer occur). I play most games at 45fps too.
YES! i cant believe how many people ignore tdp settings. persona 5 royal had a lot of complaints that you got bad battery life, but you can run it 60fps at 10w tdp and get like 7 hours of battery life. playing a triple a title!!!
@@joogled1839 A lot of people ignore such details (so to speak) because they want it all. The few fully optimized PC users can afford to do so, but sometimes being spoiled for choice is how one can optimize their experience through know-how and effort. ...now I sounded like a motivational speaker for exercise.
This is QUALITY content here my guy! I’ve been holding off on buying the deck, mainly because I plan to play cyberpunk and witcher3 on it and I came to the conclusion that if I don’t run natively and stream from my pc (rtx 4080/13700k)it will hit way higher numbers. So if anyone is in the same boat, you can always stream and it will always be better. This video convinced me to just go ahead and order it , let’s see what happens lol
thank you! yeah i think you will be happy with it.. its just fun. You already have an epic PC build to get that amazing quality experience but the steam deck gives a whole different one. Would love to hear how you like it when you get it!
It runs the witcher 3 really well, I have the oled deck and I run witcher 3 with screen at 90hz fps capped to 45 and a mix of medium and high settings and its super smooth, looks great and I get like 2 and half hrs of battery, u can turn setting down more and get 3hrs with the oled deck, and ya cyber punk appears to run really well on deck
It’s really wild to play full-featured PC/PS5/XboxX AAA games on a such portable device with such quality! 😳 Valve makes something magic with SteamOS 3.0! Also with Windows compatibility layer “Proton” you can play Windows games! Waaaaat!???? 🤯🤯🤯
I used to chase the maximum frame rate. Then I got a 49" curved monitor and had to give up that quest. But I found that for me the sweetspot is right around 45fps which the steamdeck is more than capable of doing for most games on sensible settings. If I want raytracing and maximum everything, I have my desktop. But for something portable I can throw in my backback and go? It's glorious!
@nophacetech4596 love it! I've got a bad eye and suffer migraines, too not have to constantly adjust the focus of my eyes is a life saver. Games look great! Love to video edit on it, so much real-estate Finding my happy space at 45 fps really opened wide-screen gaming up. I love it! (Still wish games put the ui in like a2560x1440p gets and extend the fov beyond but that's a minor gripe)
Just waiting for my OLED 512 to arrive. Ive seen on YT that Power Tools in Emudeck can improve performance with frame dips on emulated games (by limiting the threads to about 4). Works great from what Ive seen. Wish you could do that in pc games. Still, 30fps is still acceptable and playable.
heck yes!!! congrats! I have seen some people get okay improvements but currently i'm happy with the stock performance and have no need to spend the time doing that.
Theory for the "Witcher SD FSR mystery": Without FSR, your GPU was already at 99%. FSR works by rendering at a lower resolution and then scaling the image up with AI. That will only result in more fps if the extra scaling work is less than what was gained by lowering the resolution. But not everything the GPU does is highly dependent on the amount of pixels on screen. Rendering shadow maps for example depends on the shadow resolution, which is independent of the screen resolution. Some physics calculations are done on the GPU. Or if a lot of small random objects are rendered, the GPU might be busy switching between resources a lot, all for drawing maybe a dozen pixels for each. Now if you have a game with lots of post-processing and large, semi-transparent sprites, super fancy shaders and whatnot, then saving a few pixels can really be worth it.
Remember. In cyberpunk this guy used Frame Generation mod for a whole settings testing. Even tho he didn't wrote in some of them prompt "FSR3", He still did use frame gen. He just didn't use FSR3 upscaler. Just a quick reminder that without, a mod you won't be able to use Frame Generation option like He did in the video and get 60's on your own. More like 30 to 40 fps at max.
wait what frame generation am i using in everything? As I understood i installed an FSR3 mod and it would only do anything when i turned FSR3 on.. not just all the time no matter what.
I would say there are 3 types of gamers 1) people who don't care about fps as long as it's stable over 30 - 2) people who have too much money and need every game to hit 120 fps in every scenario possible - 3) the group that targets >60 fps and is able to put settings lower than max... I would say handhelds aren't for 2) YET. I personally like the 30 fps/90 hz or 45 fps/90 hz mode when it comes to AAA games
You need to do the tests in combat. Most games will run really well just walking around until you come accross multiple enemies or a flashy boss, then the frames suffer bad
@@abbey6149 Well I don't play it very often like my switch Hack and switch lite they just sit there collecting dust. don't get me wrong its a great devices I just guess am not a big gamer I suppose. I think that's what it really comes down to if your a big gamer or not. If i could get back the money I spent on it and the upgraded 2tb ssd and 1tb micro sd card I think i would I just don't use it.
If you know how to optimize the graphics rather than go with the presets, you can make the game almost look the same without a lot of hit of performance, Digital Foundry usually do those kind of videos.
Thank you for this. The steamdeck is amazing! I’m currently playing GTA V on the oled deck at very high settings at 40 fps and I’m getting no frame drops and I get 4 hours battery!
@@thehive4560 it runs at 60fps at the same settings flawlessly as well. I just set it to 40fps to give me a little more battery life, which I don’t really need tbh because the battery lasts long
dude thats great im glad Valve is going this direction not just trying to push out the "most powerful" device every new chip. It makes for a better experience for sure and allows them to tweak it for such a long time that it performs surprisingly well. However i'm going to be pretty interested if next year a Legion Go 2 comes out i would probably pick that up for the raw power but we will have to see if that happens.
1:22 Locking the screen to 45hz is only beneficial if the game regularly runs ABOVE 45fps (meaning you've got the game capped consistently to 45fps), if you're running below 45fps you'd actually just get a more smooth experience keeping the screen at 90hz. If you have any doubts whether 90hz is smoother than 45hz on game running 38fps average just look at the frame time graph. Elden Ring looks like another case where you're actually best off capping to just 30hz, it's entirely possible you'll have lower input lag capping to 30hz than fluctuating at the mid-30's.
its a great video, my only problem with it is that you were just running around, not really showing what happens when you do something ingame that would use more GPU; cast some spells, go to crowded spaces, start combat, throw grenades, whatever
in some cases (like cyberpunk low settings) you should try leaving gpu clock on auto because setting it to 1600 locks the wh that the cpu gets to 4.5 wh causing it to bottleneck gpu. thats why setting the game on super low didnt achieve 90 fps
i need to jump back in and try that.. it was getting such better performance when i did the maxed GPU though.. but maybe not on low i'll have to try that. thanks!
@@nophacetech 99 percent of the time this won't really matter, it's just whenever you are trying to reach high framerates and lowering the settings doesn't seem to improve the performance that much
The reason it helped in cyberpunk is because he was using fsr 3. Cyberpunk has an issue where you need to pin the gpu to get good performance. This guy had FSR 3 on the entire cyberpunk section.
Honestly I can play everything in low settings and I will be just fine. It’s not like it looks like a video game in the early 90s. To be fair, a lot of this has no ACTUAL gameplay. I don’t need to know how steady the frames are simply walking around. I’m looking for a solid 30 when hell breaks loose in the game. Regardless if I can game on switch, I’m sure the steam deck can’t be that far off
it doesn't matter how much you lower you settings when your cpu usage is at +90% and gpu is at 50%. you are fully bottlenecked by the cpu so lowering graphic settings or resolution won't affect performance at all
they would be VERY similar they didn't upgrade the insides for performance rather for optimisation. The OLED steam deck is basically like the switch to switch OLED same thing just everything is nicer.
just got a steam deck oled, although my pc is 2k,240hz with 4090, i don't have problems playing those casual games on the deck with less than 90 fps. if u but a handheld and hope it would run 3a smoothly, u should get a pc instead lmao, handheld is not meant to be used to play 3a😂
With fsr and a little tweaking you can push 50-60fps on most games... Elden ring for example fsr at 658p at Hugh settings you get 50 to 60, drop it to medium and you'll be hitting 60 constantly, it's really nuts (my steam deck only has cryo utilities and 4gb vram in bios in terms of tweaking which basically everyone should do anyways)
Absolutely, I agree that for those who prioritize achieving 60fps, fine-tuning to this extent is possible. However, I personally don't mind playing with enhanced visuals, and as long as the frame rate stays above 30fps, I'm content. If it reaches into the 40s, that's even better for a handheld device. I believe that 60fps and above are more significant for larger consoles or PCs.
so what happened in cyberpunk was you walked into one of the most demanding areas in the game and compared it to a less demanding one. i know its not too far from each other but that roundabout area is taxing even on desktop pcs
No it’s because he had FSR 3 on for both tests even though he claimed it was off for the first test. FSR 3 has an issue in cyberpunk where you need to pin the GPU. He pinned it the first time, but not the second time. The entire cyberpunk section is pretty useless and should be taken with a grain of salt.
"Cant play it" = It doest get 244 frames in 8k on ultra with ray tracing on steam deck. I think when we get a steam deck 2, itll hit high no problem, and maybe some stutter on ultra. Thats my prediction anyway.
Yeah I feel like deck 2 is going to be pretty solid but dang the new UE 5 games are a bit much so possibly steam deck 2 will be running new aaa like the deck runs current aaa games.. but current aaa will yeah probably run ultra and I'm pumped.
This is really cool. But can’t help me not think about a new steam deck someday with more power. The technology is there, now I wonder what they can do with better chips inside this thing someday. But it’s very cool people can play the latest games in this thing. Also very cool they did steam deck settings to get people super good frames in some of titles you were showing. Valve is doing all the good things. Giving people great gaming experience with tons of tweak options available.
I'm genuinely excited about the next Steam Deck, but I suspect it won't be released for a few years. I believe they're waiting for a more efficient chip that can run future AAA games, like those using Unreal Engine 5, with low power consumption and temperature. Such technology doesn't exist yet.
Not sure why you have such a bad performance on the Witcher 3. I get 60-70fps on medium to high settings on the Witcher. Maybe I got a unicorn steam deck
I tried cyberpunk but the text elements are so small that i couldn't read what button was being prompted in the tutorial. Is that normal because its literally unplayable for me.
yeah i would agree that the text is VERY small in cyberpunk.. however make sure your at 800P and dont have FSR on like ultra performance because that makes it really hard to see.. I can definitely read the text but it is small so if you don't have 20/20 vision i could see that possibly being unplayable unfortunately.
You literally had FSR 3 on for the “unmodded” section of the Cyberpunk test. The reason you had better performance the first time is because you pinned the GPU, which you need to do for cyberpunk with fsr 3. I can’t tell if it’s pure incompetence or if you’re misleading your audience for whatever reason.
What do you mean I had the fsr 3 mod on for the unmodded section? I only used the fsr 3 mod on the labeled sections. However I did learn that with fsr 3 on I should have not pinned the gpu at Max and that might be why the steam deck presets worked better with frs 3 off.. I need to go back and try. I'm not sure if you are trying to say something different or not.. because the first test on steam deck settings is locked at 1600 and then I turned fsr3 on and still had it pinned like you said it needed... However that's the problem it needs to be not pinned with fsr3 on. Sounds like you are telling me I needed to do it just like I did do it but others have pointed out to me it might do better with the fsr not maxing out the gpu. Still interesting because at ultra maxed gpu turning the fsr made a noticeable difference so I just need to try it I guess.
@@nophacetech No. You can’t get 60fps in cyberpunk without frame generation. The only reason you got 60fps in the unmodded section is because you pinned the GPU while using FSR 3 , which improves performance. At 5:19 you can see “DLSS FRAME GENERATION” is on. This means the mod is active. The reason you had worse performance in the modded section is because you weren’t pinning the GPU. This game requires GPU pinning while using FSR 3. It’s a pretty well known fact.
That's not the mod. The video clearly shows FSR 2.1 selected. To engage the mod, one needs to switch to DLSS, which is the mod's method for enabling FSR 3, since it's not yet available. Moreover, I have confirmed the GPU is pinned, a point you've reiterated twice. It's peculiar to label it a well-known fact, considering FSR 3 isn't even released for this game. The objective of your argument remains unclear, as you keep advising to activate FSR 3 and maximize GPU usage, which is precisely what's demonstrated in the video. Contrary to your suggestion, others have noted that maximizing GPU performance isn't the correct approach when using FSR 3, as it demands more CPU power.@@cringeusername9705
@@nophacetech Lol loud but wrong. In this specific game, while using FSR 3, pinning the GPU improves performance. You can enable FSR 3 by selecting either DLSS or FSR 2.1. To fully disable the mod you literally have to delete the launch option you added to enable the mod. You can’t switch to FSR, which I suspect is literally all you did to “disable” the mod. Since I obviously can’t convince you, I’ll ask you to actually test it yourself. Go the properties of Cyberpunk and delete your launch option completely. Notice how you don’t get the mod window. Now go to settings. Notice how the DLSS Frame Generation option is grayed out. Try playing the game at whatever settings you like. Notice how you aren’t getting 60fps. Close the game. Put the launch command back into the launch options box. Notice the mod window pop up. Ho to settings. Notice how DLSS Frame Generation can now be toggled on or off. Select FSR 2.1 and turn DLSS frame generation on. Start playing without GPU pinning. Notice how you are getting a higher framerate than before, but it isn’t 60fps. Now try pinning the gpu at 1600mhz. Notice how you get much closer to 60fps. Now switch to DLSS and turn off the GPU pinning. Notice the exact same results as FSR 2.1, except with less flickering. Now pin the GPU to 1600mhz. Notice how your FPS increases. You can even try using XESS upscaling. It will look less visually smooth, but it will display 60fps on the framerate graph. No matter which upscaler you use, the mod is still active, increasing the FPS displayed on the FPS counter, even if it only works properly when selecting DLSS. When you selected FSR 2.1 at 5:19, DLSS frame generation was on, which PROVES that the mod was active. Yes, GPU pinning generally decreases performance when a game is cpu limited, (which cyberpunk isn’t) however, this game with the FSR 3 mod has improved performance. End of story. Go test it out yourself. Switching to FSR instead of DLSS does not disable the mod. Also don’t use the auto preset for DLSS or FSR as it decreases performance.
@@nophacetech Lol rewatched your video and I realize I made a mistake. I didn’t realize you had the GPU pinned for the unmodded and modded test. I was wondering how you got less performance the second time and I realized it’s because you weren’t using the same settings lol. You had FSR on balanced the first time and auto the second time. As I already mentioned, the “auto” setting tanks performance while using FSR 3 especially. (You were accidentally using FSR 3.)
How does the performance dip (or hopefully doesn't dip!) when docked and playing on a monitor? Elden Ring for example, would love to have a steam deck and occasionally play on a Monitor.
Gotchya! What about going 720p and using FSR for when you play docked? Shouldn't be much of a performance decrease, right? Or am i missing something@@nophacetech
Being a gamer from Atari on ,there's nothing more that I could want in a handheld FFS. I wish I could see the faces of the modern "gamer" if suddenly all that they had was a first Gen Gameboy, that was powered by AA batteries for gaming on the go. The better devices get, the more jaded and nihilistic the average consumer becomes. Really sad.
Honestly I think I had my frame generator mod on... So... Yeah I think that's what's going on but I'm not 100% sure because I thought I had to have a different setting to use it.
You praise valve on Efficiency and knowing what handhelds need yet valve didn’t include vrr to the oled when it clearly needs it when it isn’t able to lock its own steam games at 60/90fps lol
Actually as far as Ive seen most if not all of valves games on steam run at 60fps locked on max setting. Halflife 1&2 portals lfd2 the steam deck screen is great.
i love how the steam deck oled looks and having good battery life on my devices, i really want the steam deck but then again i wanna play xbox game pass, will i be missing out at all getting the steam over the Ally?
There will be a new Ally coming out so you could wait for it. Maybe it will have OLED and that would be worth it even if it still would suffer from battery problems.
You can easily install Windows on the Deck. However, the Ally is more powerful, and if you're not interested in the major benefit of avoiding Windows (which isn't great on handhelds), then choosing an Ally or Legion Go might be a better option. At this point, I'd probably wait to see what new, improved handheld V2 comes out this year or just opt for an OLED Steam Deck.
i mean you don't have to. i think next year we will see some handhelds that will play all these games at 60fps or even when FSR 3 comes to them this will play at 60.. cyberpunk with my FSR 3 mod lets me play at like 70fps
I'm kind of upset with the power per dollar ratio I guess you'd say, i returned the rog ally z1 extreme for the 1tb oled steam deck not knowing that I was losing power and the ability to play a lot of games, also question, does anyone else that's purchased an OLED get that notification the first time you booted it up " congratulations, you received one of the first OLED units"?
dollar ratio the Steam deck is the number one option. For raw power its becoming the lowest option and i'm going to assume the gen 2 handhelds this year is going to fall very far behind on raw power but still better in every other element.. what do you mean by games are not playable? do you need 60fps to be playable? because i have found LOTS of people claim games dont play on the steam deck but they are games i have played 50+ hours on the steam deck with zero problems and 100% playable. You just have to make sure you have the settings right.
@@nophacetech I mean like call of duty and other stuff like that, stuff I should have looked up before getting it, but certain games like Forza horizon 5 I get stuttering and full crashes sometimes, I'm also completely new to anything PC related though, but I got some settings to make it a little better
yeah makes sense... i hope more games get the Steam Deck Settings option like cyberpunk.. unfortunately PC gaming comes with having to play around with settings and stuff but really we should just be able to play the games haha.
The OLED steam deck is the best battery life of any handheld PC on the market. I would never play over 2 hours in a session and the OLED can do that at maxed TDP so i have no thoughts or worries about the battery.
Interesting i was trying to figure out how to reach above 30fps in certain part of dogtown. I didnt know the gpu tricks i need to test it. Otherwise i just spent +250h on this game with geforce now in ultra settings+pathtraycing on steamdeck lcd 😅
yes! I just played it for hours on an airplane ride this week :D here is a video where i show it playing: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-qTFv89-qIk0.html
hi, I'm a beginner RU-vidr, and now I'm making a big video about Nintendo Switch games on the steam deck, I recorded the gameplay of the games that interest me, but I forgot to record the Zelda gameplay, can I take the gameplay from your videos, thanks in advance
@@nophacetech thank you very much, of course I’ll mention it, let my 150 viewers subscribe to you too, I hope I didn’t make big mistakes in the message, my English is not very good
There sure are a lot of great devices out now but the screen zise of the legion go amazing. I had both the deck and ally but they both were missing a larger acreen which is why i sold them for the legion go.
The Legion go is the only other device i want to get but i would still like the steam deck its just so nice.. and the OLED screen size is much better and just a WAY better screen. I almost feel like the Go is going to be too big but idk i have never held one.
@nophacetech4596 the immersion due to the size of the screen is great. I love the legion because of this and it has enough juice to satisfy my gaming needs for the next three years, the screen tho 👌
@@TheTekEffectI feel like they are better in different ways. I can imagine the Legion Go screen looks great and I’ve heard the colors are amazing but there’s just something about OLED that is magic to me. Only thing that would stop me from buying the Go is the lack of OLED
yeah it does look really good.. I hope they made a version 2.. i might jump on that. I fear the new unreal engine 5 games coming out this year and next wont work or maybe with FSR 3 on the steam deck but i bet whatever a 2024 legion go 2 would be able too. Not sure if they are making another one this year or not.
Dude, I think I have an FSR 3.0 mod or frame generation going on. I thought I turned it off, but it seems to be playing at way too high of an FPS to be true. I need to make another video showing it off for real.
@@nophacetech yeah I paused it while you were showing the settings you did have an fsr 3 mod btw can you comment/post settings the give you a constant 60fps with fsr3?
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I believe it's because the CPU is needed to prepare frames from frame gen into rendering pipeline. Usually when manual clock is set to 1600 the CPU usage is hitting 99%. I found good success on 1200-1400 manual clock. Gives more power for CPU
Nope you have it reversed here. In the first test, he had the manual GPU set to 1600mhz. Though he claimed that he only had FSR 3 enabled in the second test, he actually had it enabled in both. In the second test he didn’t pin the GPU. Cyberpunk has an issue with FSR 3, where you will get bad performance if you DON’T pin the GPU. No idea how the creator failed to disable the mod before testing the first time.
Hey thank you! I didn't do anything just went through all the pre created settings like you saw in the video. Some areas in the game have a harder time so maybe its just where you are in the map?
@@jairmendez6583 just search the damn thing dude. Steam deck black screen of death. How's it not a problem if it destroys your device? I saw a lot of reviews because i couldn't decide between the deck, legion go and rog ally. And a lot of people were talking about it. It's too risky, it's like a waste.
