@@hopeoconnor1626 i also think they remembered that oliver is just a kid, and that he should be able to have a warm place to sleep at night, have three meals a day and have someone that loves him unconditionally. they know what its like on the streets and probably don't want him to have that life
What is so great and heartbreaking about this scene is you really understand where everyone is coming from. Dodger feels like he adopted oliver and loves him so he feels like oliver wanting to leave is him being betrayed by someone he really cares about. But even though oliver likes dodger and the gang a lot he has always wanted a home and an owner to take care of him and love him. So it is very hard all around.
The fact of the matter is, he had no name until the final lyrical song of the movie. After that point, there weren't any more of them, and the film switches gears from Oliver to Fagin.
Rita has to be my favorite member of the gang. She's the first one to ask if something was bothering Oliver, and she immediately understood when he said he wanted to stay with Jenny.
Absolutely. In fact when they went to rescue Oliver at Jenny's, Rita was actually the only who saw that he was happy there and wanted to call the rescue plan off.
I see both of their points of view. Dodger: He befriended Oliver in the beginning of the movie and they both became very good friends. But when Oliver stated that he wants to go back to Jenny, that made Dodger heartbroken. Oliver: He enjoys the gang’s company, but just got adopted into a home and someone who loves him. He also made a good point in needing to be there because he does not want to Jenny to be worried. Of course, the gang does feel guilty in taking him away except for Dodger, who was being overprotective of him. I understand how Dodger and Oliver both feel in this situation.
That’s not a point of view, Dodger was mad at him just because Oliver was giving reasons why he wanted to stay with Jenny. You guys can’t just use “point of view” because not everyone has their point of view like people are saying King Triton has his own “pov” while destroying your child’s treasures without remorse isn’t pov and Maleficent killing Aurora just because she wasn’t invited isn’t also a point of view, it’s a matter of devilish act
@@marvincorre4783 actually those are points of view because a point of view is defined as...a particular attitude or way of considering a matter. In the case of dodger his attitude or view of the matter was that he felt betrayed because he felt someone he loved was stabbing him in the back. That's a point of view. The other things you mentioned are also points of view of given situations but they are much more difficult to accept especially maleficient.
@@entertainmentlife430 Actually there is a youtube video that shows 10 Disney Villains who “were” actually right and Maleficent is definitely one of them
Just like in Firefly "Captain. Why did you come back for us?" "Your on my crew" "But you dont even like me. Why'd you come back?" "Your on my crew. Why we still talkin bout this? Chows in 10, no need to dress."
I don’t know whether to side with Oliver or Dodger in this. Oliver could’ve been more appreciative of the gang actually taking him in first and giving him a roof over his head before Jenny did. I didn’t think that “I have a home now, and someone who loves me” comment was the right thing to say. He’s basically saying that they don’t love him, which wasn’t true, which caused Dodger to fly off the handle. On the other hand, Dodger was also too quick to jump to conclusions. To me, there’s nothing more extreme than jumping to conclusions before anyone is even finishing explaining how they really feel. Oliver may had been about to tell the gang he’d stop by for visit from time to time, but Dodger beat him to it by shutting him down. But for what it is, it’s a decent enough scene.
Yeah I can definitely see where you're coming from both characters can said and did the wrong thing but they both did really acted both thinking but they nether them tried be rude to each other
To be fair, Oliver did say 'another' home as opposed to 'new' home. So that could imply that Oliver still views the boat as a home, just not his current one. And when he said 'someone who loves me', I think he was trying to say that Jenny will be worried that he isn't there. Anybody who's ever had a cat or dog knows how scary it can be to come home from school or work and find that their furry companion is missing.
You gotta love how it takes Fagin about twenty seconds to realize what he is blabbering on to himself about and what an opportunity Oliver having a connection to a wealthy family can mean to him and his dogs.
I would very much like Disney to create an animated series for this film. Telling the adventures of the kitten Oliver together with the gang and Fagin appearing in the series too, I would love to watch an animated series from this Beautiful and Fantastic movie! 😘 ♥ ️ ♥ ️💯😚😚😍👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼😘 😘😘😘😘😘😘
@@arikatheprincessofhearts2043 but oliver also said that he had a family now and someone who loves him like his friends didn't mean anything to him also Dodger didn't know that oliver was happy there until after they got him back
The only reason Dodger let Oliver stay with him and his family was because Oliver had tracked him down, and the only reason he was accepted was because he was small and could use him.
He was treated like a member to the gang alright but let’s face it once an expensive rich pet owner adopts you you lose sight of what’s important. And the gang treated Oliver like he was family.
I never liked Dodger and this scene solidifies it for me. He was actually such a selfish jerk to Oliver for 85% of the film, very self absorbed and with a very fragile ego to boot. Rita is the only one that cared about Oliver’s feelings here, and noticed he was suffering. People should stan her more.
@@hopeoconnor1626 Yes, but Rita was the only one to notice Oliver was actually suffering. The rest of them were either confused, angry, joking around, or didn’t notice at all.
@DSC I hope you're not suggesting he spent the money on superficial material items. If he did, we'd see those items around his "house". But he's clearly still a hobo. It's more likely he spent the money on things essential for survival and also increase in health (i.e. food, drinks, and medicine, for not only him but also his dogs) and I can imagine that it didn't occur to him that he should try to "ration" his budget and make sure no one ate/drank more than necessary. In any case, since he was trying to live in an urban environment without a job, the money was going to run out sooner or later. So he would've ended up in debt no matter what he spent the money on.
@@TycoNewRC ..or even more probably, compulsive gambling, which is implied in the film itself. The last we see of him, he made a bet without the money to cover it, and bailed. Which greatly hints he did not learn his lesson. Doing that kind of thing is likely what landed him in that mess with Mr William Sykes in the first place.
0:10 what is going on you guys it was just the rescue of the century what what and how about tito and six time national champion wait wait i don't understand you guys hey you ok kid
