@@TwinFlicks id never seen this movie before, so streamed it first on amazon, and the quality was ass. Loved the film though, so looking fwd to watch it again now I have this 4k set...
I remember when the initial JFK blu ray came out, it was around the same time WB was putting out a big blu-Ray box set of their award winners. Like 40-50 movies. Compared to this transfer, it feels like WB was just rushing through the blu Ray upgrade for the previous one so they could get it out as quick as possible.
With this release and Natural Born Killers, it seems like Oliver and Shout! are a match made in Heaven. As always, Paul, excellent review. Keep up the fantastic reviews you put out.
In terms of your opening argument, the fair thing would have been to compare the new Shout 4K with the new Shout Blu-ray (also included in the same set). By instead using a totally different and outdated Blu-ray, you are attributing things to the 4K format, that really are more to do with the new scan, color grade, and having director approval.
This is a good point. When people speak of colours being associated with a specific format, they're really just talking about a specific scan and timing or grading job. I think it's just a shorthand way of addressing the issue, but it IS inaccurate. I generally associate ugly urine-hued and/or teal-and-orange grading with blu-rays, but that's only because this style of grading became hegemonic not long after the blu-ray format emerged. These days, even DVDs often exhibit the same ugly colour revisionism.
@@jetuber It's crazy how there are sometimes color grade trends, where maybe one movie does something different, and suddenly everyone chases after the same look, regardless of if it's revisionism.
What would be the point? The bluray included is sourced from the the same 4K master which means it has the same color grading. How is that a comparison? The entire point of the video is comparing it to the bluray we already have and if its worth upgrading.
@@TwinFlicks To start the video, you mentioned that this video is for people who think the 4K format is a gimmick and can't tell the difference between it and Blu-ray. I'm saying that in order to fairly show the differences between the formats, we should be comparing how the same restoration looks on each. Not pitting one color grade that's director approved versus one that isn't.
@daninbox that would defeat the purpose of the video. People say there is no point to upgrade from their bluray to the new 4k. This video shows why they should. And what a new 4k restoration can do
Great video, however this doesn't really show off the benefit of 4K as much as the benefit of having the director actually involved, since the fixed version is available on the regular BD too :P
@switchcapturebutton that's not the point of the video. The point is comparing it the preview bluray that people won who think they don't need to upgrade. There would be no comparison to the new bluray included in the set since it's the same transfer!
Excellent! This is so much better than the blu-ray. I hope Shout gives Stone's "Nixon" the 4k treatment. They are doing a phenomenal job working through his filmography.
Nice in depth video/review. It looks great and sounds awesome on my home theater setup. With 11.2.2 with my new Samsung 65” tv, and Denon avr- 6700h receiver.
Ah, very nice. Might have to pick this up. There have been some superb 4K releases, in general lately, including "Conan the Barbarian", which looks incredible.
WB have long been notoriously infamous for adding blue and other stupid sh*t to their releases of classics on both DVD and Blu-ray, so not surprised they did that here too. It's not really seen in the grabs over on capsaholics though, maybe they just chose scenes or shots not affected by it.
I don't keep up with all of the 4K releases, but this is one of the very few times when I've seen that a remastering has been done right. Usually, these days (and for at least the last 10 or 15 years) remastering has just meant reducing the colour palette of any movie into an ugly two-colour binary -- teal and orange -- and/or soaking the entire movie in what can only be described as a urine tint. if all 4Ks began being remastered to bring back the kind of full-colour palette that we used to get with DVDs (despite their weak resolution level), more people would actually fork out for 4K-ready equipment.
Recently, thanks to all these boutique labels like Shout Factory they have been including the director or the cinematographer to ensure accuracy, bringing the film's back to their or as close as possible to their theatrical presentation.
@@TwinFlicks That's a tricky issue too for various reasons: theatrical prints might have yellowed or faded with age; directors or cinematographers might have differing opinions, or their tastes might have changed over time (*cough* Michael Mann *cough*); the lab that produced the prints might have had their own inclinations, etc. etc. Generally, DVDs got colours right, IF they were working with good materials; the DVD format just suffered due to its inherently poor resolution. Ultimately, the only valid judge is the buyer of the end product, because it's his money that's being forked out. That's why I'm very grateful for any cap comparisons, such as the video that you created here: the images speak for themselves, and viewers can make their own determinations. But it's sad that these days, one has no way of knowing what the colour scheme of a new release may be unless one does advance research. This is holding back new-format adoption as much as is equipment costs.
Wow that is incredible -- I can't believe how crunched some of the blacks on the original blu ray are; it looks terrible. I wonder what source is used on streaming platforms -- I haven't watched it on one
I haven’t upgraded to 4K but I have this set because it includes both cuts of the film on blu ray as well. The blu ray on the Shout looks pretty good to me. 🕺😎
Yeah, usually the damn 'HDR' looks like the bottom, BD version to me - darker, bleaker, wrong color - but this time it's actually better. Although I didn't mind that transfer, does help it feel less cheery and warm, more like a documentary...
I have the same. Uk Blu-ray version went with that cause it was hard to find. I got and watched it. My thoughts were the same as yours with picture Quality. And of course now it’s on 4K But yeah. What a difference. Should of held out a little longer
Odd to claim 4K is so much better based on a totally different master being used. It's much more to do with the mastering than 4K per se. As evidenced by the fact the 4K also has a much improved new Blu-ray too.
I'm looking forward to your review about this 4K. Unfortunately the movie itself is outdated. I don't know if that's the right word for it. But things like the 'magic bullet' have been explained eversince the movie came out. I've seen a lot of documentaries about the association over the years. The movie doesn't hold up.
What an inept comment. Movie holds up just well. Only thing outdated which doesn't hold at all is the fabricated and fictional Warren Commission report fairytale. Try watching the four part documentary JFK Destiny Betrayed also by Oliver Stone.
I remember liking the film, but nothing that special. Maybe because I'm not American. Sure, it's an historical event, but it certainly touches american people more strongly.
Exactly. The 4K also has a new Blu-ray using the same master as the 4K. He's claiming it's the 4K that's creating the difference when it's mostly the mastering.
@bradavon umm the Bluray included is sourced from the 4K restoration the same used for the UHD disc. I never said once that the bluray was bad. If you watched the video I said the PREVIOUS bluray was done badly which is a known fact.
@hardnine How is this a bad example? This is a comparison video and is meant to show you the differences between a HD scan performed many years ago, done without the approval of either the director nor the director of photography, and a 4K UHD master created last year with their participation.
@@bradavon You keep harping on this throughout the comment section and I don't exactly know what you mean. The master is a 4K UHD master and the extra resolution allows more detail to be resolved from the OCN.
You are comparing a film fully restored in 4K from original film negative to a blu ray release that was put out more than a decade ago; of course theirs going to be a noticeable difference. How about you compare the 4K SHOUT disc to the Blu Ray disc that comes with the Shout Factory combo and tell me how big of a difference there is with that?
What would be the point? It's the identical 4k transfer just without HDR Dolby Vision and not 2160p. The entire point is to see if the 4k restoration is worth upgrading for a previous bluray.