“I’m surprised how quickly Europe fell into the basket” Well Europe feels war closer than Americans. For Americans war is always somewhere else, across the pond, something to watch on the news while you’re having dinner.
I'm surprised Europe would allow a Yemen / Syria sized hole to be blown into them. Over the horizon the Earth's crust will burn setting off that many weapons.
“When exposing a crime is treated as committing a crime, you are being ruled by criminals.” - Edward Snowden- Quote copied From Lex Fridman Podcast full episode:
Yeah but he's not exposing any crimes that haven't already been exposed. He's spewing Kremlin propaganda. You can verify this yourself by noting his complete lack of criticism of the Kremlin.
@@joekey8464 he betrayed people illegally spying on american citizens, torturers and war criminals, none of which ever faced any charges. Obviously, while they control the courts, he will be the one charged, and not even allowed to have defense.
@@RobTheViking the US directed the massing of Ukrainian troops in the Dombass…hence, he’s blaming the US. The Ukrainian government was and is a puppet of the US, bought and paid for.
@@RobTheViking no they had been killing the donetsk people for 8 years and were going to do a big final assult to cleanse the russians from ukraine... Big russia bear stepped in.
Yes, on this topic he is utterly stupid and didn't even bother to review the people who he is interviewing, like Medvedchuk, who is is calling Medvedev.
If you look on the situation without prejudice, one side then the other tou will see. Imagine Russia finance and organize coup of Mexico government, and slowly arm it with weapons, together with China, and other allies, control the mass media of the world, saying US will invade Mexico, etc, etc... While Russian intelligence backing up Mexico hate on US and that the Texas and most of the California should be Mexicans... Creating borderline war in, say El Paso for 8 yrs... The US will use NUKES on Mexico, in that i am sure... Russia NEVER back up hate against US, with its neighbour countries... While US is fucked up whole 🌎
And that say the PEOPLE OF USA are on the same shit like the rest of the world, THEIR GOVERNMENT and fellows do this to the whole world and also on their citizens. THE PEOPLE OF US THROW OUT THOSE EVIL SCUMBAGS THAT ARE OCCUPIED YOUR INSTITUTIONS!
The fact that so many commenters just can't grasp how the west/nato/the U.S. couldn't possibly be complicit in "shady activities" abroad speaks volumes to the prowess of their informational warfare capabilities.
Oh yeah you’re smarter than everyone else. Everyone else has the wool pulled over their eyes. Just because peoples opinion differ from yours doesn’t mean they’ve been misled or are misinformed.
Why can’t the west/nato/US be complicit in “shady activities” abroad? I’ve heard so many whistleblowers, witnesses and more over a long period that suggest otherwise. This comment is so confusing because it seems pretty naive to think that it’s not possible considering how much information there is to the contrary.
Oliver Stone wrote on March 3 about Putin's "mistakes": 2) "Overestimating the military's ability to achieve its objective." - He doesn't say what the objective was and Lex doesn't ask him.
@Max M - The objective of Putin's invasion of Ukraine was to occupy Kyiv, arrest (or kill) Zelensky and install a Russia-friendy govenment. All on the assumption that Russians would be welcomed. After all, aren't Russians and Ukrainians historically 'one people' ? That assumption was wrong. - But Oliver Stone didn't get that. Nor did Fridman. - When I compare Putin's Ukraine war to Hitler's annexation of territory to Germany in 1938 (Czechoslovakia), Hitler got that without one shot being fired. - Compared to Hitler (in 1938) Putin is a fool. Don't get me wrong.
You got the government you voted for. i.e the warmongers who will always deflect the blame because they have NOTHING to lose, and you have EVERYTHING to lose.
When serious historians look at the reasons for WWII and cite the harsh terms of the Versailles Treaty as one of the causes, they're not justifying Hitler's genocidal wars of aggression.
You are just ignorant, you have no idea how US foreign policy works, not even a clue. Compared to US Putin is a saint. Tell me what the us would have done if anything close would to happen in there neighboring country.
American is the worst country in the world when it comes to wars and ppl in power.. I wonder what US would think if Russia put up bases in Mexico. Missiles pointed at US.. Ppl are so stupid and think that US is some kind of unique country and are worth gold.. Meanwhile US sends billions of dollars to other countries and creating wars all over the world, and the ppl in US are suffering, more and more ppl becomes homeless, you have to work 2-3 jobs to have a roof over your head.. US is so sick from the inside, but the ppl in power in US don't care about their own ppl and they dont care about Ukraine that is just bs..
@@roman-co1hg Best to feign an attack on Kyiv to tie the troops up, so hold rather than push. Putin said the first part of the Special Operation is over, and now concentrates on the Donbas Region. It does not make sense. In war, unless you have a material advantage, you wait for the enemy to attack you as that commits and hands the initiative to the defender, so I think Putin thought he was doing a Hitleresque Biltzkreig, but he overestimated his own troops and underestimated those of Ukraine.
@@garylake1676 probably they had plan B and C. it could have been a "bonus" if Kiev operation worked out. But it didn't. I don't think they underestimated /overestimated anything in terms of Ukraine's military, they of course knew US was pumping them with ammunition and instructors for 8 years. On the other hand - what they didn't seem to predict accurately is the extend to which EU and US would support Ukraine in terms of ammunition, land lease and intelligence , and how far they could go in terms of economical sanctions. I don't think Ukraine would hold as long as it has without western support even against limited amount of Russian troops that have been deployed so far.
@@roman-co1hg Why would Putin think Europe would turn a blind eye? I myself have given up one of my two homes to house Ukrainian Refugees from the Donbas Region. The West gave up far too much when Putin annexed Crimea, just like when Hitler annexed Sudetenland, but just like Poland was for Hitler, Ukraine was a move too far, and once the war becomes real, then the beast creates its own nemesis.
He makes some good points that everyone should ask...but the contested regions belong to Ukraine and Stone has also ignored the amount of weapons and para military that Russia has organized in Ukraine since 2014. Let's not forget they shot down a commercial airline...this isn't a bunch of rag tag farmers with rifles. This is thousands of Russian and russian Ukranians well armed and organized. It isn't a surprise though that Russia is using the " liberator" card to push for more resource rich territory though. The west is doing it too. But this ends quickly if Russia opens the ports or export of grain and pulls out or at least negotiates a peace based on the eastern regions. They aren't going to win this war in any way long term.
_" the contested regions belong to Ukraine"_ THEN IMPLEMENT THE MINSK AGREEMENT!! it is INTERNATIONAL LAW. "Ruissian Ukrainians" You mean Ukrainians?? "Zelensky is killing his own people" normaly NATO bombs you because of that. As for the troops in Donbass, both weapons and soldiers were in the beginning Ukraine army that defected to the Donbass because they did not support the coup, they were themself eastern ukrainians, why would you kill your own familly?? OSCE, the observers have NOT reported Russian weapons or troops. The Minsk agreement also make it VERY clear that the conflict in Donbass was NOT Ukraine vs Russia but a civil war. The legal justification Russia makes for this intervention is solid. IF NATO bombing of Yugoslavi was legal, as NATO claims IF Kosovo is a sovereign country as The "West" Claims. THEN Crimea, Luhansk and Donetsk are sovereign countries AND Russia's intervention to protect them is legal and in accordance with the UN Charter art 51 (Collective self defence) One can say that is "hog wash" BUT that is the justification NATO gave and they consider that ok, if its good enough for them its good enough for EVERYBODY. Fact persist, Ukraine was killing its own people for 8 years straight EVEN AFTER A PEACE AGREEMENT WAS SIGNED (The Minsk agreement) How would you end that?? The west did not even protest it.
Is there no propaganda in the west? If you say so you are as much a victim of western propaganda as he is of a Russian propaganda.
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Usa and nato helped right wing ukraine forces to terrorize eastern ukraine, where russian and russian descendents live. Crime and donbass is mostly russian, east ukraine is 300 km away from stalingrad. All russian deacendents of people who fought the nazi invasion from the 2th world war 80 years ago. USA arming right wingers in the ukraine.
@@junkscience6397 he makes the case that Russia was looking to protect Russian speakers in Ukraine. I'm pointing out that was exactly the view the French had in Vietnam, and French withdrawal precipitated American involvement. Ergo, Oliver Stone was doing in Vietnam exactly what Russian soldiers are doing in Ukraine.
Did he say "Ukraine was amassing troops to invade Donbas"? Donbas is internationally recognized Ukrainian soil...I could spend all day explaining everything wrong with most everything he says (and the list is long) but it's seriously not worth my time. Couldn't be more obvious who's buttering this guy's bread and he's playing ball with intent. Shouldn't be giving this guy a platform Lex...
I also found myself raising an eyebrow a few times during this clip. Accusing Zelensky of not wanting to negotiate with Putin? Blaming Ukraine for trying to "invade" Donbas? Its own territory? Is this Oliver Stone just old or is he on a Moscow payroll?
"What people dont understand is that Ukraine is a terrorist state, anytime any ukraninan has stated something in favour of Russia they have been bla bla bla". Is he really playing the freedom of speech card to defend Russia against Ukraine? By his logic Russia is also a terrorist state so what gives? Why defend a terrorist state?
Most things that he says is not fact based or is biased. Russia has nazis, from journalist to military, Wagner is one example. Plus their whole love for communis. Mr Stone is cool with it.
Incredible how much bs he says in so little time. To take an example at 14:40, he talks about the 14000 deaths in Ukraine between 2014 and 2022, and pretty much attributes ALL OF THEM to the ukrainian military. If you read the UN report he takes the figure from, more than 4000 of those were... ukrainian military. It's almost as if there was a conflict with two sides who killed each other (and civilians). But no, they were all killed by the ukrainian military or "accident, and this, and that". The man just repeats any and all talking points and propaganda from the kremlin, which has never done anything wrong ever, and Lex just eats it whole.
This is the Russian tactic, they start a war, invade a place, call that place Russia, then say the people who have lived there for years actually invaded it and they're just defending Russia. Utter shit
1) 1:00 literally has a massive page of things the Kremlin does wrong. 2)those losses shouldn't have happened in the first place. Their actor president won an election on the promise of peace with the east, yet does a 180 immediately upon winning. Don't let emotion overrite thought process. This is not a black and white issue.
@@TK-ev Yes, then he had to deal with them. They already had his replacement set up with Medvedchuk and fortunately they got him rolled up now. The Russian Novryssia project is just a heist because their economy is stupidly balanced in order to allow the kleptocracy to keep thieving by having the population learned helpless, the Russian federation government just want the gas, oil and farmland.
I am not one to defend the western MSM, but on this issue their coverage is accurate. I am in Poland rn, a town near the Ukrainian border. I have seen Ukrainian refugees (all women and children) pour over the border and settle into churches and other public buildings.I have also met foriegn volunteer soldiers coming back from fighting in Ukraine. These guys showed me videos of what some of the Russian soldiers are doing to these people. There are people in the streets with bullet holes in their heads and hands tied behind their back. One also told me he saw a dead thirteen year old girl with her legs spread open with the "Z" carved in her flesh. He actually started to cry when he told me about the things he witnessed over there. This guy was an American Iraq veteran, and he told me the Ukraine war made his experience in Iraq look like a camping trip. This is WWII level of destruction on a sovereign European nation that was merely trying to join the EU and NATO. Any counter argument about "Denazifying Ukraine" or "retaliate against NATO expansionism" is pure propaganda. Stone is leaving out a lot of pertinent details when he criticizes Ukrainians and the West. The Moscow regime brainwashing the people of the Donabas with anti western propaganda via public radio and then arming them in 2014 and encouraging them to wage war against the democratically elected Ukrainian government in Kiev is what started this all. Moscow is notorious for dividing the population of their perceived enemy and then conquering them with brute force. Claiming they are invading to "protect ethnic Donbas Russians from Nazis" is simply propaganda, and it does not in any way justify a full fledged invasion. An even more important detail he conveniently left out is in 2021 the Civil war in the Donbas was coming to an end. Not nearly as many people were dying in 2021 than in 2014 and 2015. Russia is responsible for ramping up the tensions in the region. NOT the west. Yet, it is funny that the only time Russia started to interfere with Ukraine was when pro western Ukrainians had a populist revolution and overthrew the corrupt Russian backed regime in Ukraine. Ukrainians have suffered under the yolk of Russian tyranny and corruption for years, and they reached a breaking point and started the Euromaidan uprising. I should also add, In the 1930s Ukrainians were starved to death under Stalin's rule. Millions of Ukrainian Kulaks died and some even resorted to cannibalism. These same ethnic Russians in the Donbas that are anti Ukraine worship Josef Stalin, the man who is responsible for these deadly actions that eliminated millions of Ukrainians. It is not hard to understand why Ukrainians feel threatened when Moscow arms these pro russian separatists. No one is denying that the nazi azov Battalion exists, but they have very little political power in the Ukrainian government. Kiev views them are useful idiots to fight on their behalf so they did in fact arm them. They took the "ends justify the means approach" to the situation. I agree that any war crimes they commit ought to be exposed and the perpetrators ought to be prosecuted. I do not agree with any cruel treatment towards Russian POW's or civilians. The NATO expansion argument is really easy to dismantle. Before Feb 24 2022, NATO was not a threat to Russian security. Latvia, Estonia, and Lithuania are have been NATO countries since 2004, and all three of them border Russian territory. NATO has never fired a single shot at Russia. When Russia claims they view Ukrainie becoming a NATO member as an existential threat, it is not rational, given that fact that NATO has bordered their country for over 20 years and never took hostile action against Moscow. The only thing that could have prevented this war is if Ukraine became a NATO memember sooner. It really is unfortunate that this did not happen. All the the responsibility for this bloodshed is on the hands of the Russian oligarchs that instigated it.
Notice how you appeal to emotion without making any argument? Any side can be right like this. Who knows who's really to blame for this. It's not like the USA or Russian has a good track record of telling the truth.
The exact thing can be said about the Ukrainian military shooting civilians and pows,burning a swastika on the body of a girl, decapitated, burnt Alive and shelled people from donbass and human shields
@@Diablito8042 If some Mexican cartels started doing this to Americans living in Cancun, would that give the United States the justification of starting a fucking war and threateing nuclear Armageddon? By your logic, that would make total sense.
Stone is not brilliant, in fact he’s literally a Putin spokes man. He’s called him the greatest leader of our generation and has even asked Putin to be his daughters god father. He isn’t the least bit objective. Why do you think he hasn’t been taken serious now for over a decade?? Dudes completely lost it and gets payed insane sums to support and back Putin.
@UCbRyZhJt2mBiCrB0-twCMjA I am not defending Stone, I was just curious and asked you a question, I didn't make a statement, you did.. Take it easy Bryan, you don't have to answer, but you make a claim: " The man is brilliant in many ways and ignorant in " many more." Could you develop the " many more part?" If not, no problem: peace.
At 12:45 , Mr. Stone alleges that Zelensky made no attempts to make peace with Russia. Considering that Russia invaded Crimea and waged a proxy war in Dobas, how correct is Mr. Stone's allegation? A negotiation would only work if Russia showed a genuine desire for peace. Did she?
crimea has always wanted to be back in Russia and when her people were attacked by the Right-wing goons after Maiden they knew had to get out. They overwhelmingly voted to get out. That is perfectly legal unless the USA and NATO says it is not. The Accord in place was not accepted by Ukraine and instead they attacked the two Donbas provinces and killed OVER 14,000! Hover Ukraine was the result of an American sponsored coup of 2014. The forces behind Zelensky do not want to lose any territory no matter the choice of the people. KILL THEM is the Nazi form of negotiations.
Oliver Stone has no idea what he's talking about here. He even admitted that he learned everything he knows about Ukraine from... Putin. Such a reliable source, right?
Kinda not true at all. I am from germany and from where I am standing the countrys of Europe were the first to act. The USA did not drag us along. This is our backyard. We do not want this here. We already had 2 of the big wars here. We cannot tolerate russias behaviour, no matter what the US does. We are rather glad this time that they are helping in a big way. Also it is bullshit that you have to host us nukes or troops cause you are in NATO. A lot of countrys are nato members and have no us bases or nukes. So mostly guy is talking bullshit. 😁
Not gonna sit here and find excuses for simply absurd misinformed view of someone who has literally no idea of what is actually happening on the ground in Ukraine or Russia. As someone who has lived under the corrupted rotten Russian regime for a long time, it’s hard to tolerate someone’s audacity to speculate about the mind of a dictator while the war crimes have been documented so evidently well. Lex, please be mindful of who you provide your platform to, sometimes the truth is so hard to take that it’s tempting to lean towards another conspiracy theorist, but I think it’s the facts that people should be looking at, not opinions at this stage, or at least get someone Over who has actually been in either Russia or Ukraine in the past years…
@@iceman47 Why does he need to grow up? "As someone who has lived under the corrupted rotten Russian regime for a long time..." I think he's entitled to his opinion, especially since it's the correct one. What are you a magatard or something??
Here's an example of free speech - someone you may not like, saying things you don't like. Russia doesn't have it, dose it? Which contributed to your living conditions during that long time. That said, thank you for providing the opposing view, which I find helpful. Meanwhile, was it Elinore Roosevelt who said: "Do not judge a country by the people who left it."?
@@Cindy-ee5ou here is another example of free speech. Ehem….what the hell??? Lol. That’s the dumbest saying ever. Those are the best people to judge the country. Putin is an asshole. I wish Putin, the Russian government threatening the world with nuclear weapons and the Russian soldiers committing war crimes could all be squeezed into a giant suppository to be promptly introduced into the back ends of every Russian apologist out there.
haha, he talks a lot about Ukrainian death squads and offers no real evidence of it or any context. It is quite true that Ukrainian soldiers looked for people who operated for the DPR and LPR and found them in their houses. This is the same as how the UK army found people who were in the IRA. For him to act like this is a "death squad" which randomly goes around killing is retarded. From the point of view of Ukraine, the DPR and LPR are the same as the IRA is to the UK. The difference is the Irish government also knows what kind of scum gets involved in the IRA and also categorises them as terrorists, but the Russians go "no, we like these guys, so what if they are completely stupid and struggle to hold a staged referendum..."
He has to be on Russia’s side, he’s literally owned by Putin and the Kremlin and it’s no secret, Stone is proud of his relationship with Putin and has even asked Putin to be his daughters god father. He’s a hack.
@@4_vaccuum_salesman_of_marr944 No, because he is ignoring lot of uncovienient facts. Russia invaded Georgia in 2008, Russia invaded Donbas and Crimea in 2014, Russia wanted to invade whole Ukraine but there was resistance so they backed from Kiev and Charkov (at least for now). They would went much further if it was possible. Who would be next Moldova? They already supporting Transnistria. Estonia? He contemplates Schröder who is earning money from Gazprom. Oh my God this guy is really ignorant or pushing agenda.
He got ZERO push back and i would love to here the topics raised here debated with someone with knowledge of the region. Some of it sounded plausable but most of it was quite bizarre.
When you know you can get into a car and drive to war zone in under 24 hours your opinion might change. This is why Europe supports Ukraine, this is not Iraq.
Just destroying ur argument real quick: NATO started a war against Yugoslavia late 90s and it's waaaaay closer to Europe than ukraine... now u know u r wrong yw
@@odijameson4788 NATO did not start a war. It intervened in a civil war/possible genocide. That war did not involve one of the world's biggest armies as an enemy to Europe and the potential threat of nukes. It involved small and almost irrelevant armies and countries. Few people in Europe felt threatened.
most people IN THE WORLD knows that ukraine is not that innocent. In europe, the amount of europeans that knows that ukraine is not innocent is 50/50. You're just as delusional as how you think that ukraine is winning. Easy for you to suport ukraine to their doom When the innocent people of ukraine that lost their lives are not your love ones.
Still wrong. Russia "broke" Donetsk and Luhansk away from Ukraine. Part of their familiar frozen conflict strategy. The same strategy applied to Moldova and Georgia.
@@invisibull8413 When you've gotten up to speed on what's actually been happening in Ukraine for the last 8 years then I'd be delighted to continue this discussion. Until then, best wishes on your journey.
In summary, it's all about geopolitical sphere of influence, I laugh a lot when people defend sides beyond reasonable doubt, while their main source of information is mainstream media. Don't get me wrong,War is horrible, innocent people die just so that one group can dominate the world.
You can get information without watching the mainstream news medias, I know this because I don't watch or read a drop of mainstream news, so you can definitely get informed without watching Fox or CNN, but I guess to you the only way to get any info is through the news, its not hard to see who is the right in this situation and who isn't, and if you can't see that then it sure seems you have a bias towards russia and their non stop artillery Bombardments of city centers, I guess the people who were under russian occupation or had a run in with the Russians soldiers are just lying about their stories, and I guess all the video proof is all shot with CGI too huh, its not hard to see one country is defending their land while russia is claiming they are fighting Nazis and in the same statement claiming Ukrainians aren't real people and neither is their language or that we Americans were setting up Chemcial and Biological labs in ukraine that are meant for war and thats directly from russian news media outlets who also have called us Americans and Brits Nazis but thats all BS I guess, nobody has threatened Russia and nobody is a threat to russia, NATO literally can't attack untill they are attacked so that whole NATO is a threat is all Hogwash, ive never seen so many people who would be willing to live on their knees in my life and many are these Trump loving Republicans who are supposed to be Pro Democracy and Freedom yet praise Putin and Defend him in the same breath
@@ThatMidWestDude513 let me just make it clear to you - I am a strong believer in the western democracy, but I am not naive, I have no sympathy for war mongers, be it Putin, bush or a random African dictator. But you can't tell me, you 100% naively think that most of the guys in the west standing on podiums clinching their fists in air declaring things are more moral than Putin. How many covert operations do you know of, that innocent people have lost their lives. No one puts a nigerian flag on their profile when Boko Haram murders innocents or when militants kill people in northern Mali. Do you know what happened in bikini atoll. A military general literally told the natives "if they give up their land for nuclear test, they will be doing God's will" - I am not making this up, look for the vid Just think about that one example, do you know more bombs have been dropped in Laos (more than 2 million tonnes) than any other nations in history of war. Do you know the destruction in livelihood and deformities locals have faced since??? It's do convenient to sit in your cushioned home and dictate what happens to poor people.
Please, enlighten me on Italy being "most compassionate and understanding". To whom? (Not trolling, living in central Europe and did not notice Italy being particularly active)
How would you react if you knew or heard what Putin said were his objectives when a top one is to deNazify Western Ukraine? You wouldn’t take Putin seriously would you but Russia lost 27million stopping the Nazis in ww2 so the have memories written in blood on gravestones.
Again it's hard to watch such an esteemed artist under the influence of Putin propaganda and Lex is not challenging him. We who at one point lived in USSR know the brutality and barbarism of the KGB. Here you have a famed US filmmaker defending blood-thirsty killer Putin. Come and figure. With good, bad and ugly US is the best country to live in and experience relative freedom. period. God Bless USA!
You should go back and really listen to what he says It's obvious you already have an opinion but this isn't about kgb in Russia It's about the US gubbermint in Ukraine Biden family corruption with elensky.... You want kgb to let Nazis in to kill freely?
I heard him, and the US government and some European governments have major defaults, and all of them did a few shitty things, but Putin is a scumbag; when Oliver was meeting him, I wanted him to confront Putin about the killing of Boris Nemtsov, journalist Politkovskaya, poisoning of Litvinenko and the countless murders that Kgb has committed. Instead, he didn't do none of it and he bashes the US any chance he gets. There's no perfect society but you can't ever compare the United States to a cannibalistic society such as Russia under the leadership of Putin. Biden this Biden that, Trump this Trump that, but you're still free here, right? you can talk no one does anything to you, now go to Russia and criticize Putin. You're either in prison or dead.
There’s no absolute freedom, its relative freedom. People are more relatively free in USA than anywhere else in the world. A major filmmaker and thinker should not miss on that point.
Stone doesnt make logic. Ukraine can send a 100k troops to Donbass. There is nothing illegal about that. Comparing that to Russia putting 100k on ukraine border....and illegally putting them over the border isnt an argument. His further points that ukraine should of done more to appease russia earlier.....Russia just took Crimea from them in 2014, does he not think that action would of hardened ukraines opinion toward russia 2014-2022
@@morganmcdonagh2663 The people in the eat of the country largely voted for Yanukovych in an election that was recognized by international observers. They decided they did not want to be part of an ultra nationalist Ukraine.
@@nickradic no they did not!..the Russians ran a forced election under a military rule in a country in which they are breaking international law. The results of such an election are worthless
Didn’t agree with a lot of what was said despite my respect for Oliver, especially Oliver’s views on zelenski and how Ukraine is the possible aggressor and that Oliver may be targeted by far right Ukraine hit squads but I welcome listening to the conversation and his perspective. Think lex was in a good position to respectfully challenge more some of Oliver’s views
This helps a bit to have more structured arguments to chalange oliver S.: Azov, Bandera, history on ukraine independance, What happened in Wolyn, Who are Ukraines historicaly, how their Language developed, where officialy this Language was used in literature and art and what was the feedback to it, what hitorical figures Ukraine has, why Zalensky came to power and what did he prommis, what happened to oposition politics and media who do not upport russia and are just against Zalensky, refresh memory on what was happening in donbas for the past 8 yeras.
I totally disagree with stone he's in the moment and is totally wrong on this war when we all know Russia invaded in 2014 ...he's victim blaming Ukraine he's an idiot
Because you have been brainwashed by western propaganda, you are digging you own grave and proud of it! The WASPS set a trap for Putin and he fell in it, now there is no way out, only liberation is DEATH. This is exactly what the globalists have been planning for decades, first destroy Russia, then destroy China. We are already fighting WW3, make no mistake about it! Come autumn gas and food will be a luxury for rich people, many will starve to death in the West, let alone Africa and Middle East...
Putin carefully choose Stone for his interview! He played him like a little baby. This is the reason Stone supports Russia. It"s hard for him to condemn Putin after all these interviews. Putin sold him his story. It makes Stone look completely stupid.
Oliver Stone has always fearlessly pursued the truth, no matter how unpopular his views. He’s never bowed to anyone and he’s certainly not supporting Russia. He’s explaining the situation as clearly as he can.
Thing is ukrainian troops localised closer to Donbas border, after russian troops were placed all over ukrainian borders. Many of us [ukrainians], thought back then that there would not be a full scale war, but only another big russian attack on Donbas to annex it completely. That's how Oliver Stone manipulates facts
The only reason it’s interesting to listen to Oliver Stone is being left constantly amazed at how a single individual can be so delusional, blind and biased just for the sake of being a contrarian toward his own country. This guy literally can’t see things in an objective manner. Every time he tries to give some validity to the West, he immediately stops himself, follows it up with some cynical comment along the lines of “but the reason Russia did such and such is the West’s fault,” and when he is asked about RUSSIAN soldiers murdering civilians, he blows over that and talks about the Russian separatists who have died since 2014. Give me a fucking break. I get that strategy. I’ve heard so much of such cynicism lately it makes me sick how many people on this hemisphere are so prone to brainwashing and propaganda. No one is saying the West is totally good, I agree given the past failed, and disastrous campaigns in the Middle East. However none of this makes what Russia is doing is right, nor does it absolve them of responsibility from this brutal humanitarian disaster.
@@HarryWolf Yes, the humanitarian disaster that was caused by the Russians destabilising the region and providing arms and other support to the separatists
@@TheLapaEsquire Russia intervened because the Donbas region was being attacked by the Azov Battalion, a band of nazis trained and equipped by the West. You must be so proud.
@@HarryWolf the only "nazis" and radical elements operating in Donbass were Russian and Russian backed ultra-nationalists like Pavel Gubarev, Aleksandr Barkashov (taking instructions from Aleksandr Dugin), Aleksandr Borodai (associated with Aleksandr Prokhanov, an ultra-nationalist anti-semitic journalist). Russian backed separatists from the beginning have tried to paint Euromaidan as a zionist backed coup, and attack the Ukrainian government as "as a Jewish clique out to use Ukrainians to defend the interests of rich Jews".
@@TheLapaEsquire You're so funny! Who burnt alive the 48 Russian Ukrainians in Odessa in 2014 while the Ukrainian Police watched? The Mormons? You're either delusional or working for that high-heeled coke-snorting clown in Kiev 🤡 😂
That is right France stood up to the US when we voted at the UN over Iraq. France was the one causing all the trouble some years before in Vietnam, but they were right about Iraq. I remember Chiraq standing up to the US. I remember liking the fact that someone stood up to the US. They should have listened and avoided 2 wars.
@@dcanmore There was some deep business partnership in the automotive industry. The French and the US were so deeply in bed after WWII. They controlled our Presidents who protested they did not want to support colonialism. The French were recruited in the CIA and made it into high command in Vietnam. They were in conflict about Vietnam because the US had been a colony. The US was against colonialism. The US had pledged to help nations who wanted freedom. The French had sway over the US in 1957. Right after WWII had ended, Truman was asked to escort French troops to Cochin-China. Navy Admirals and men objected on principle. The American military felt they had just fought Imperialism in Japan and Nazism in Germany and they had an even lower opinion of colonialism and the aristocracies they support.
I feel like a lot of these notions shouldn't go unchallenged. I would like to see an expert on the whole ukraine situation on the podcast who can give a view less based on speculation and personal feelings and can tell more about the scale of things based on what is actually known and set them into perspective. If there already has been feel free to point it out.
Check out Destiny's 2 hour long love debate on RU-vid called "Is Ukraine Evil? Debate" He and his opponent are very knowledgeable on the topic, but in the end it is obvious that Russia is in the wrong here. The Pro Russian guys ends up embarrassing himself
Guys, to realize the reasons you should understand Russian and Ukrainian languages (or at least please use google translate) and make some gigging into history of Donbas conflict started in 2014. Check out some videos, reports, listen to the people involved there. There are lots of Ukrainians fighting for Donbas, lots of Ukrainians supporting Donbas, at the same time there are lots of Russians fighting for Zelensky. That issue is very complex.
Nowadays most of the so called experts are bought and sold and are very corrupted...It is not easy to find INDEPENDENT academicians.!! I've studied International Relations & Political Science and in my own humble opinion he is quite right.!!
Sweden and finland are scared countries who say what they want to say? This man is so far away from the truth on that matter its sickening. As if america is any better what so ever… Finland and sweden have been neutral in all wars but russias invasions of ”ostersjon” multiple times and the ukraine war was the last straw. We want military protection against this madman. We are all well aware of what nato means.
Very wary of people speak convincingly and with seeming certainty about things they do not know. And Lex, don't be afraid to push a bit chief. Platoon was a good movie though.
What's with blaming Ukraine for bombing Donbas. What would he want the usa to do if Mexico was arming new mexico pro mexican militia and claim their independance?
I wanted to reply to a Rauf's from Ukraine comment but it is gone. From my view this conflict started by the annexation of Crimea when Ukraine was at its weakest when a pro-Russian government was overthrown because the vast majority of the Ukrainians wanted to join the EU and even NATO, something that Putin as an imperialist dictator couldn't accept of a neighboring country. The war in the east, the Azov regiment, and now this invasion is a derivative of the injustice afflicted to the Ukrainians by Russia and they blame the west and especially America for it. The DPR and LPR were known as terrorist militia and Russia backed them for 8 years financially and with arms, intelligence and mercenaries. If we in the west would have a neighboring country with similar issues we wouldn't walk in, annex territory and support terrorist militia groups. No, we would encourage the country to have free elections and have their issues solved internally. So if Putin would have been in support of free elections in 2014, wouldn't have annexed Crimea and the Donbass there would long be peace in Ukraine and very likely it would have been an EU and NATO member by now already doing much better than what Russia is today. It is like Putin cannot accept that a long time ago Ukraine was part of the Soviet Union and people would still aspire being part of the great and mighty empire. That was many years ago, currently many of the newer generations don't even speak Russian anymore. It is like Russia doesn't want to allow Ukraine to become a part of Europe resulting in it to be more isolated so it started a war destroying Ukraine's culture, destroying holiday destinations in Odessa, inflicting huge costs to us the west, so it is not in the interest anymore of Europe. It seems they are jealous which explains the looting and destruction of machinery. And now the exact opposite happened. Russia is more isolated than ever and there will only be peace if it fully retreats from Ukrainian territory, either voluntarily or by force, the latter causing many more casualties and destruction over a protracted war that can last for years.
Started way before that. Mainly to do with oil and gas found about 10 years ago. Then USA funded a coup to install own puppet to get their hands on some of the money from those resources no coincidence Hunter Biden got installed on a gas board about then . Obviously you have the progression of NATO to the west after the break down of USSR Maybe if USA didn't fund the coup and the riots, then we wouldn't be here right now. That you don't acknowledge any involvement of the USA in the coup or the following election is astounding, considering your essay on the subject. It's not a conspiracy, USA already confirmed their involvement
Martjn - America doesn’t even promotes free and fair elections here. .Why does the US think it can do anything it wants? Talk about a power trip. We don’t even declare war. We’re so corrupt. Have you seen how the ruble is doing? Those sanctions hurt me as a US citizen. Blame Putin for everything. We’ve done this forever. Watch who your calling dicktater asshole. We’re starting to see dicktater light here. Biden’s calling 50% of the people here terrorists. Ministry of truth! That’s what dicktaters do. They control everything like Zelinsky. Our puppets here are playing a dangerous game. Russia is nobody you fuck with. This is just fleecing of the taxpayer, so fat cats can get richer off Ukrainian blood.
He is complete ignoring Ukraine sovereignty over the east part of its country while complaining repeteadly that the west does not respect Russian sovereignty. But how has Russian territorial integrity been violated?
It's not Russian territory that's been violated, it was the 8 year long persecution of Russian Ukrainians in the Donbas which left 15000 people dead that prompted Russia to come to their aid.
''The referendum organizers stated that 2,252,867 voted in favour of self-rule, with 256,040 against, on a turnout of nearly 75%'' See, arrogant pricks like you and Zelensky have to understand legitimacy. Donbass voted for independence and Ukraine did not respect the results. That's the kind of thing that happens when your government's corrupted to the bone by nazis that see you as subhumans. Wanna talk about territorial integrity? Well, since 2014, Donbass is not Ukraine anymore. Putin only wants to liberate the eastern part of Ukraine and that's why he didn't invade Ukraine in a single day with all of his troops.
@@samgibson684 GTFOH, he's just spewing Kremlin propaganda. "Ukraine had a huge build up on the border to invade the Donbas"... build up on what border? It's their own fucking country. He literally downplays and justifies everything Russia has done while simultaneously misrepresenting Ukraine's actions and accusing Ukraine of the very things Russia is guilty of. "Russia is just trying to take the Donbas back", I guess the UK can take India back and Russia can invade any country that was part of the soviet union. The whataboutisms are a great touch, South American death squads and Iraq?
Lex asked him a question, about the humanitarian cost. And he literally dose what Donald dose which is talk about something completely uncoonected to the question. He spoke about American death squads and the donbas region under attack, and implying that Bucha was done by Ukraine military. But he never answered the question., unless he did as I have not watched the whole interview.
You do realise that there is plenty of evidence that suggests Bucha was done by ukraine, more specificaly Azov.. more specificaly a death squad section of azov called the kraken geoup. The white armbands are used by civilians to tell Russia (hey we on your side)... they were used to tie them up, they had russian military food packs and ERPs by them (well known if you take food/help from russia you are a traitor and traitors die)... Also this "Bucha" inncident was over 10kms away... The bodies looked freshed, white tshirts were white, no blood, etc said a Journalist on the ground. Either way... you should not be so certain with your opinion lol just because the western MSM says so, who are clearly against russia anyway and are not imparital. Also... Russia wanted a international investigation into Bucha, the UK blocked it. It is well known mi6/uk are in ukraine along with some usa/nato helping co-ordinate, etc.
Poor Oliver Stone can’t make a coherent point. Lex should ask: “How is their sovereignty compromised if they hold a similar position as the US by opposition to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine?
Truly disgusted by Oliver Stone. Anyone with half a brain understands that Ukraine was _never_ a threat to Russia. Regarding pro-russians in Donbas: They certainly aren't pro-russian any longer, so that's out of the window. Regarding the Azov battalion: Yes, they've done bad things and Zelensky was about to gradually strip these guys for weapons and such. These days, however, the Azov battalion are Ukrainian folk heros due to their bravery and competence in fighting the Russians.
I agree with you on everything, but wanting to add my take as Ukrainian about Azov. Azov was built by volunteers in 2014, people from whole Ukraine and even some people from other countries joined this battalion. Yes, in Azov battalion among Ukrainian patriots and nationalists, there happened to be some far right people, those who support fascism and it`s ideas. It surely played well on hand for russian propaganda, and on top of that, Azov did badly with managing it at that time, they were still fighting russians under Ukrainian flag. Average Ukrainians were aware of it, we saw those pictures with some of their fighters holding fascist flags with swastika, and no one was happy about it, as we also fought against fascism back in WW2. On top of that, previous and current presidents of Ukraine wanted to ban Azov in Ukraine for that. But it didn`t work out that way, people still supported them, as there are a lot of good guys in Azov, local people who a lot of us know personally. Unfortunately Azov from the beginning was painted bad colors by couple of guys who couldn`t resist showing off the stupid ideology they supported, and whole Azov is paying huge price for it to this time.
@@Offwekid Thanks for the insights, buddy. I've never been to Ukraine myself but the wife of my best friend is from Mariupol (!) Since the start of the war, we've all been involved with getting her family out of there, something we managed except her 91 year old grandmother, who stayed behind. "Someone has to take care of the plants", she said..
@@RTC1655 I wish best to your wife’s grandmother, hope she’s ok. From what I know from the girl I work with (she fled from Mariupol, and left there her mother and father), lately fighting mostly takes place around Azovstal metallurgy plant, Russia is not bombing the city no more. She also told me that russians are coming to apartments, checking if no one is hiding, checking on civilians for guns, Ukrainian flags etc, but not hurting anyone who’s down with them. Unfortunately there is big problem with electricity and gas. People were told to expect electricity back in around 2 months and gas in 4-5. But giving all that, it is hard and scary to imagine what is going to happen in next month’s, russians are settling in captured city’s, and they surely are going to be fired from there by Ukraine force, poor civilians would suffer more. I live on the west of Ukraine (furthest from the war), but had the same talk in my family about leaving, everyone agreed except of my grandmother, her home, lovely garden and chickens are to precious for her. So far only half of my family left, but they are coming back in couple of days. We pray for the best, for victory and freedom in whole Ukraine from those russian pigs.
Oliver Stone just translated Russian propaganda to English and Lex ate it up. Lex, you should know better than this. Stone isn't just full of it. He's a total piece of it.
He had Kotkin on who basically said the diametric opposite of Stone. What I don't get is Lex not saying "come on, who are these death squads? Who did they kill and why? How did civilians get hit by shrapnel, was it because the DPR and LPR had Russian military vehicles in their area?" Stone is the kind of idiot who claims the Ukrainians use human shields in Mariupol simply because they are defending that city, whilst also claiming the DPR and LPR didn't whilst also fighting in civilian areas, which has been obvious since the siege of the Donbass airport when the idiots filmed themselves using civilian streets and buildings to fire from.
If Lex did that Stone would just shut up. Like Rogan, it’s these guys’ jobs to draw them out, not shut them down. Now we know what a lost tool Stone is.
@@DurangoC yeah that's right, the power of thoughtful and informed reasoning is quite a pain isn't it. That's why all of you POS can only shou progaganda, propaganda! How about producing any evidence of that? Any alternative reasoning based on reality? Na, of course not.
@@evanburgess8428 you don't know what is a death squad you mor@n? You don't know how they operate and have been operating under the CIA guidance everywhere in the world? No? In Africa, in America, in Asia? Go on, educate yourself.
@@paparucoontour Oh Enrique, thanks for offering your rouble. But the reality is Stone has no evidence that there were UKRAINIAN death squads in his meaning, which is people going round simply to stir things up. What definitely happened is people who joined the LPR and DPR were rounded up and probably were not treated very well. From what I can see, no evidence points to this being done solely to panic people, but there is evidence to suggest those considered to be traitors/saboteurs/agents were caught. On the contrary, there is plenty of evidence to suggest former President Yanokovych had a private group of people he used solely as agent provocateurs, the Titushky, and they would frequently infiltrate protests and other events to start trouble and give an excuse for police to be brought in to wrap things up, thus having a complete hegemony over who could and who couldn't have an opinion.
Let's say Mr Stone was Russian and the scene was the opposite. He criticized the Russian government and accused them of aiming for world domination " but not going the Hitler way", supporting death squads, provoking invasions... how many years prison penalty would he get? or how many days left to live in police custody? ( remember Magnitsky)
@@РинатЯлчин I'm not sure. There are famous directors in Russia too and they either leave the country or keep quiet. My point is that Mr. Stone, and any other apologists of Russia forget their own freedom. And the most important one - freedom of speech. USA and other democracies are not perfect but where do you see people flow to. Freedom of speech countries or NO freedom of speech countries. Just saying..
@@opalmquist So laying down what is really going on is being an apologist now? He is not saying Russia is good and Ukraine is bad. He is saying Ukraine isn't any better than Russia with their actions and yet the western propaganda is trying to make Ukraine look like the victim and they are not. The only victims are the civilian populations whether they be Russian or Ukranian. What US, Russia and Ukraine are doing is dirty international politics. Some people are so lost in the propaganda that they can't get their heads out of their own asses and look at something objectively.
@@jimigrill Well yes, Stone tries to objectively say what is going on in a broader view. But is Ukraine not he victim here? Russia invaded Ukraine. No one can deny that whatever they call it. Ukraine did not invade Russia. Ukraine (or no one else for that matter) would never invade Russia. And that is not paranoia on by the Russian leaders, they know that. But it is the propaganda to their people to excuse un invasion. And the west propaganda might be that we need to support and arm Ukraine because Russia uses their propaganda.... If you can't speak with each other about a problem finally things blow up, just like in the school yard.
You wouldnt say that if he was siding with the western, he is just stating the info u hadnt heard about because the media you are listening to is biased
@@mbelete7719 He's stating completely wrong info. Lookup Zelensky platform for the elections(UN and Nato is clearly stated in it) or the parliament composition in Ukraine before the war ( second largest party is pro russian) and you'll see that Oliver Stone is either lying or just delusional.
@@mbelete7719 I have watched dozens and dozens of hours of videos, podcasts, debates and lectures talking about this subject, and I have come to the conclusion that virtually everybody is absolutely full of shit. The Mainstream media in the US is horrendous, but the contrarian, pro-Russian contributors who share Stone’s views are also completely full of shit too. Don’t assume because someone disagrees with Stone that they must agree with “western” MSM. And don’t assume if someone disagrees with MSM, that they believe Stone’s viewpoints are accurate and unbiased. Neither side will give the required nuance to elaborate an honest, balanced position.
If anyone is confused about who the aggressor is, or is confused by Stone's twisted views of history and geopolitics, just look up how many countries Russia has invaded in the past 100 years and compare that to how many Ukraine has invaded. You'll get a clear view as to who's right and who's wrong in this conflict.
That's not the right question. If you look how many countries United States invaded.... Even when they were 8,000 km away... Moscow is 400 km from the border. Putin fear was logical. This a preventive war like you did on Iraq. But at least here putin had arguments you had not: NATO expansion to the east
@@pacmanlp8876 you say, "like I did in Iraq"? Who am I? I didn't invade Iraq or anyone. Are calling me the USA? Regardless, why are you even talking about the United States? The comparison I made is between the two countries at war. Your justifying Russia's invasion of Ukraine because the US invaded Iraq thirty years ago is absurd. Furthermore, this war has done more for NATO expansion than anything. NATO is more unified, getting better armed, and Finland and Sweden want to join. NATO wouldn't exist if Russia wasn't such a pariah, yet not once has NATO ever invaded Russia.
Pac-Man… no it’s exactly the right question. Why does Russia’s security matter more than Ukraine s? We all know this isn’t about security it’s an imperialist move to expand Russia’s borders and get the natural gas finds on Ukraine territory…. Putin knows nato is defensive and it’s hard to get 30 members to agree on anything. This conflict is 100% his fault
@@pacmanlp8876 his fear wasn't and isn't logical. It basically boils down to his puppet got scared and fled. Ukraine wasn't even close to getting NATO membership and even if they were they have any right to. Russia's violated the agreements throughout the years but suddenly it's "oh but ukraine violated the agreements". Or they talk about the hostilities that the Ukrainians are doing but we have more evidence for Russian hostilities and warcrimes than the Russians have for Ukrainian hostilities and warcrimes. And if you really trust Putins word remember this. He blames Poland for the start of WW2. Isn't it weird someone who is supposedly fighting nazi's uses Nazi propaganda to justify the invasion of Poland by the Nazis and Soviets?
As a person living in Ukraine, I can say that everything that was said about the invasion of Ukraine is 99% false. Oliver Stone has no idea about the events of 2014, about life in Ukraine from 2014-2022 and the reasons for the invasion. It's such meme that controversial opinion is presented as correct while being a complete lie...
At least supply a counter argument then just saying something is false without explaining why it is. Attacking the person without making a good constructive argument usually makes you look bad instead of getting your point through.
Not giving any credence to Russia's concerns about Ukraine /Donbass/ NATO expansion was a dreadful failure of diplomacy. Had we acted to support peace in the Donbass over the period 2014-2021 and showed willingness to put NATO (aka US) activity in Ukraine on hold, and Russia had still invaded, then we would know their stated motive was a ruse. But we didn't do that and we'll never know if that would have brought peace to the region. We are now living with the consequences. To have tried all diplomatic effort is not appeasement. Avoiding war is what great leaders seek to do. War is the result of weak leaders.
This has been my point from the very start. All we had to do was act in good faith. Support a rival party fine, but not a coup by extremists. Do everything the right way so that if Russia *still* goes out of pocket, we would have a FAR easier time getting China, India and the global south to condemn- without coercing them. Unfortunately that timeline doesn't exist.😔
@@TK-ev Hardly a coup by extremists. It was a huge uprising for obvious reasons. Who in their right mind would want to be aligned with a tyrannical Russia they know only too well over being aligned with a prosperous Europe? Of course the majority of the population, even many ethnic Russian Ukrainians, wanted to look westward rather than eastward.
Like wait - did Ukraine got into nato between 2014 - 2022, or I missed something? Nato exactly put Ukraine on hold. IF they would like to have it there they would have it in few months like in case of Sweden and Finland it is happening.
As Lithuanian I have 1000 years of history. This man telling me I'm not have to live cause Putin would decide. He's American 300 years of history. He knows a shet
Not an opinion, just an observation: I watched Mr Stone's interview with Putin. Putin is a master at deflection. Putin has a definite formula for answering questions. Never direct; e goes immediately into a diatribe about his enemy (with a history lesson and moral equivalency) and redirects the focus of the question away from him and on to his adversary. And Mr Stone employs the same strategy when answering the questions. Just an observation!
its amazing how Oliver's mouth moves and we hear Oliver's voice but its 100% Putin's words.....bravo! what and amazing trick......maybe we can trade Stone, Trump and Seagal to Putin for something better like......anything would do.
In most of his talk he focusses on motivation of western countries, he has a clear explanation of why and how they contributed to this war but when asked about Putin’s motivation he says he has no clue (despite the fact he made several interviews with him and seems to know him quite well). Interesting.
You just need to read his biography a little bit and know how Russians do business with westerners to understand that he is their man, has been for maybe even decades.
@@giorgimargiani7402 I just wonder if his indirect advocating for Russia is intentional or unintentional. I understand his bitterness about own country but in his narrative he completely overlooks the regional matters, specifically in eastern europe. Over last 30 years the history of this region was not formed solely by American interventionism or weakness of Soviet empire but also because of the will of several countries to escape from red regime. It just happens that USA supports it and it certainly does not justify Russia’s aggression on independent country. Stone just does not want to talk about it, he wants to talk how evil and manipulative his country which in this specific issue is just not only inappropriate but also not that relevant.
@Pawel Kita, I’m curious if you are aware of the civil war that has been going on in Ukraine since 2014. Kiev has been killing thousands of Russian speaking Ukrainian civilians for 8 years. Have you investigated how the coup in Kiev was organized and who was involved in it? Do you understand the USA has played in the coup and the following military activities in Donbass? Have you seen what Ukrainian nazi terrorists have done to Ukrainian-Russian in Odessa in 2014?
@@hanna8418 i am curious how much you believe in the propaganda and not consider why this atrocities you refer to were never discussed publicly anywhere else except Russia. Possibly because they it a great tool to invent it, so it justifies aggression and new imperialistic politics. I have no idea what nazi terrorists you refer to and i am not sure why the word nazi is used in this context at all. I have been to ukraine many times, understand the country very well and can reassure you that it is very far from Germany shortly and during II world war. The comparison is very irrelevant.
As this guy admits he bases many of his opinions on speculations and intuitions I'm therefore fine with dismissing him for no reason other than it seems like he's full of s.
You view honesty as a flaw to be uncertain about Mr. Stone has more experience and credibility than everyone in these comments combined Why don't you answer the question Who killed more civilians since 2014......
He is full of shit, he uses Bandera as a reason for legitimising Russian mistrust of Ukraine. Bandera's actions have right or wrongly been attached to the deaths of about 50,000 ethnic Russians in Ukraine, so even if true, which is not 100%, as he was in prison for most of the time he was "collaborating" with the Nazis, who also killed his family, that is a bit less than the 5million Stalin killed in Ukraine.
@@galimir Why would ANYBODY listen to anything a Russian has to say? You guys ever NOT lie? Besides, you think the rest of the world doesn't realize Putin is a loser kleptocrat who's been stealing from the Russian people for decades? Have you ever watched people play hockey around him? What kind of loser has to have people play like that???? hahaha he's pathetic, and for you clowns to be ruled and stolen from by him for decades means you're the last person anybody should listen to. Why would we listen to such weakness that you let yourself be ruled by that little loser? Not to mention Russians have been ruled by one little loser after another for over 100+ years. Yeah, we'll pass on anything Russians have to say lmfao
@@galimir lmao for real tho you don't realize how much of a joke Russia is? Dude your economy is smaller than Italy's. You have an economy the size of the Maldives hahahaha! Also, lets all laugh at how pathetic you all are when it comes to sports. When was the last time Russians were allowed to compete under their flag and anthem at the olympics? like 3 Olympiads ago? LMFAO but yeah, lets hear what Russians have to say hahahahhaha
Ведущий, ты спросил бы почему у хорошего Путина в стране оппозиция по тюрьмам, а журналисты в бегах. Оливер мне кажется слишком драматизирует уровень агрессивности Украины. Пока что все касания были от Пу
Putin has no cancer.. Biden is demented and is the one who is the one in power of US,, that is a joke.. the deep st ate is in power of US and Ukraine and Europe.. Russia and China are fighting against the empire , and I hope they will win, so we don't have a empire that sucks out of all the resources around the world and creating wars all over the world.. and creating destruction and death..
@@samgibson684 Kickings everyone ass? He's hiding in a bunker with yes men while sending 18 year olds to get slaughtered just for his own ego. He's a horrible leader and human being.
Poor little Putin (5'6" or 168cm), all of a sudden fell victim to the tyrannical interior decorators of the Kremlin forcing him to see people "face to face" over a 10-yard table 🤪🤣😂🤣
height jokes? do you know that short people are vey good soldiers? Audi leon murphy was the bravest american soldier in WW2. He was 5, 5. Now tell me, how old are you. And let me guest, you also believe that ukraine is winning???
@@immunetowesternlies8697 My point exactically! It was totally inpprpriate - to the poiunt of being utterly ridiculous - of Mr Stone to imply that Putin was just a poor little teenager that could be duped into acting like a spoiled brat to invade a country when he had no such intention whatsoever (as he repeatedly declared). Seems to me extremely unlikely, to say the least.
@@immunetowesternlies8697 Are you dumb enough to believe Russia is winning, comrade? What happened to your rapid war and taking Kiev in three days? LOL
He calls out Ukrainian “death squads”. The Irish, the Algerians, the Vietnamese, the Kenyans etc, all committed war crimes in their fight for independence. He just can’t admit this is a war of Russian imperialism. The Irish fought for 800 years and had some very hard ruthless men in their struggles. The Ukrainians likewise. Stone would never call out the Algerians, the Vietnamese or the Kenyans etc.
The original "Patriots" of the USA adopted the tactic of killing the Dudes with authority, sniping before it twas a thing, to create disorder. Shiiaat, I don't fear death in battle but I don't want a sniper's bullet to the head taking me out. Lame way to go. Chillin' ........done. Boring last stand. Make it personal, stab me, slice me , fuck me up, fool me into thinking it's a winnable fight but don't play peek a boo at the dinner table.
Oliver, it isn't propaganda it is collective consensus. If there were invaders on Russian territory it would be a different story. Don't fear the grifters, just correct them and move on.
@@Individual_Lives_Matter How many Russian children have been forcibly raped and kidnapped across to the Ukrainian side? How many Russian population centers have been the target of airstrikes including white phosphorous munitions? How many weapons systems did Ukraine have prepared to attack Russia before February 2022? How many attempts has Russia made to install puppet dictators in Eastern Europe? What was Putin's role in the KGB, on assignment in West Germany? Educate yourself and come to your own conclusions. If you're part of the same reality you will find yourself leaning on the same collective consensus. When is widespread common sense ridiculed, other than by perpetrators of lies and abuse?
I don’t like the way he groups Europeans. Germany and Italy may be restrained by their positions decisions to shackle themselves to Russian, but that isn’t the case across all Europe. It certainly is in the Uk.
Yeah because we are America's whipping boy. We have become a pathetic nation of morons. We are always dragged in the crap they start. We might as well be an extra state at this right.
Oliver, sadly I watched in horror when sweden`s social democrates and partly the conservative moderaterna together, the two social nation bearing parties, dismembered the swedish army. By doing this they gave up the swedish peoples´ freedom. Finland which has fought a war similar to Ukrain`s has said never again alone and because they couldn`t trust their nearest western neighbour they drove both countries into NATO.
@@alexanderpapadopoulos2383 Soviet union attacked Finland in 1939-1940. Germany began operation Barbarossa in 1941 and yes, then they allied with Germany when tension rose anew. Enemy of my enemy is my friend I guess.
@@loffes_cirkus_rokt_marulk5514 Admitting to be a fascist now days is norm? I wonder how Finland would look like if they were against fascism. Turkey had dispute with Russia before WWII. They didn't took opportunity to side with Axes and they didn't lost land. So educated people will always remember Fins as fascist. Next time choose your allies the way you want world see you as. There is old saying tell me who your friends are and I will know who you are.
@@alexanderpapadopoulos2383 Neither I or Finland was or is fascist. I’d say it’s a little more complex than the way you put it. You seem interested in history so I’d advice you to read up on the Finnish winter war and the continuation war thereafter.
Hello, I m an ukrainian from Kyiv. Some questions to russian propagandist Stone: If Russia doesnt want to occupy Ukraine, what their forces did on Kyiv's suburbs ? Does Stone know that in last year on Donbus region were killed only 7 people and what side guilty is a question If Stone thinks that victims of this war and ruination of cities of Ukraine is a fiction why didnt he come to see it on his own eyes ? Medvedchuk - is a russian agent lke Yanukovich, but Stone cant even correctly pronounce his name but knows how good president he could be there is no consensus with russia until they occupy ukrainian territory. NATO has never given any signs that Ukraine could become a member of this organisation in nearest future. European country and USA could have done everything to not prevent this war but it doesnt remove responsability for this war from russia. Since 2014 till 2022 was killed 14 thousands people/ 10 000 of them is ukrainian army and russian separatists. So there were killed 4 thousand of civil people. At least half of them lived on territory under ukraine. After 3 month of this war were killed more than 4 thousands. This is only people that were founded on deoccupied territory. If Ukraine deoccupy others regions there will be more. There is information that in Mariupol were killed 22 thousand civilians. Ukrainian army doesnt kill civilians couse they are part of their nation. I go to work and home with ukrainian soldiers every day. I donate my money for ukrainian army. Russian army consists of social bottom. They much more tends to kill. This war is against ukrainian identity. White bands use russian soldiers as red bands, ukrainian soldiers use yellow and blue. Civilian mustnt use any bands. Russian soldiers forced ukrainians to use white bands in order to ukrainian soldiers shoot civilians by mistake. Stone made fiilm on american tragedy and cite to some unconfirmed information that throws shadow to american governmant. He made spide of conspiracy over one of the biggest american tragedy like some documentary about NLO and ect. He used this tragedy for his own interest. Now he is making the same sh*t.
Isn't it delicious, to see someone who has been wrong all along trying at all costs to evade the facts? He would rather have his right arm chopped off than admiting that the people who were on the other side of this issue were right.
Biggest error that Oliver makes is that he just cant fathom that European countries have far more sovereignty than he can imagine. The USA is an important part yes but its just that, a part, and not as much the decision maker as many people would like them to be. I work in Syria. I've come through Poland and am now in Ukraine and the sense of immediate threat that every single east European country feels about Russia's invasion of Ukraine is palpable. They remember distinctly, and without any provocation by anyone in 'the west', the abject horror of living under the yolk of the Soviet Union. THAT is their raison d'etre in this battle. I'm surprised that this is not more obvious to others. By the way I'm a humanitarian. I've worked in war zones for over a decade. I've never been to any country where the line between 'good' and 'evil' has been so clear, other than possible ISIS in Iraq and Syria but even that was a fraction of what Putin has done here. Anyway, I've no idea how this will end. All I do know is that many innocent people are going to die, in Russia and here in Ukraine, because of one mans obsession with bringing back the Russian Empire. That is the crime of this century.
"I'm surprised that this is not more obvious to others. " Perhaps because rational people have moved on from the cold war mentality. I´m european, and not once in my 50 years have i ever been afraid of Russia. But i am afraid of the US. Perhaps you should exit your eco-chamber and talk to people on the other side of the spectrum. If you were in Syria, you have to know that the only thing that stood in the way of a Caliphate was Russia. It was Russia who defeated the head choppers of ISIS, that were being supplied by the US. But i bet you don´t see it that way.
Thank you for your comment and for your humanitarian service in Syria and elsewhere. I keep thinking about that clear line myself whenever I hear some people say "It's not so simple" or "it's worth hearing what the other side has to say". Last time the distinction between good and bad in a major conflict zone was this easy, was IMO back during the Second World War. I'm afraid Stone is playing the music Putin would want to hear here. I wish he would take off his Kremlin colored glasses off and take a leaf out of Timothy Snyder's book (I recommend listening to one of his lectures or interviews if you haven't already, he's an American historian who specializes in Eastern Europe and has a vast knowledge of this area, the history and politics, and gets it right unlike Stone).
Stone is right. The days before 24th Feb. The Ukraine military had 100k plus soldiers in Donbas and the artillery was becoming heavier and heavier on the Donbas people.
