Olly and Lydia talk coming out to your mum | It’s a Sin: After Hours - Official Aftershow Ep5 

Sadly not all parents are as loving as your aunt clearly was

rip your friends

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Honestly it was the episode I cried the least in, I think I was numb because I watched all of it in one night.

I will need counselling ☹

​@David Dorricott I think we had completely different experiences since I´ve watched it one episode each week. But for me it is impossible not to cry when she tells Jill. I was still expecting it would be okay, don´t know how

It is that level of emotional rollercoaster, indeed.

How on earth was it understandable??? It was reprehensibly cruel and disgusting!

Best thing Diana Spencer did was to shake the hand of a person with HIV at the time? London Lighthouse I think? AND the girl in this drama is the real heroine ? (Two unrelated thoughts)

@@bunderify I think it was both. Understandable and also reprehensibly cruel and disgusting. Grief does this sort of thing to some people in some circumstances.

Remember that part of her regaining control involved preventing her son from seeing the people he loved and had built his life with on his death bed, causing him to die alone. -- all because she was jealous of them.

@@DavidHHH99 exactly! Valerie was clearly jealous over Jill and Ritchie's friendship. You could see her disapproval when he took Jill home to meet his parents and they thought Jill was his girlfriend. Valerie really didn't like Jill from day one she probably blamed Jill and the others for Ritchie being gay and getting AIDS almost like they influenced him. What she did in keeping his friends away before he died and the way she told Jill was cruel and I lost all sympathy for Valerie when she said to Jill "and now he's (Ritchie) got a gay disease" Valerie derserved every word Jill said to her

Im sorry for your loss

omfg i didn’t realize that was him in skins 💀💀💀

It's good that your friends were treated with kindness and respect by the people they knew, but this series looked at the attitudes of society at large. AIDS victims were social pariahs through the 80s. Notice this series ended in 1988. It did become better later, yes.

@@AbcDef-ww2gy Re the attitudes of society, what you say is certainly true, I myself felt the impact of this when gay men were horrendously vilified by the "usual suspects" who sadly persist to this day.

Is she drunk!

Definitely agree with you on that one, sounds almost put on?🤔 I would be embarrassed to have a voice like that.

Glad i'm not the only one who thinks that. She's basically unlistenable

It’s a speech impediment, people. Don’t be dicks, yeah?

@Cannibal Teddy Beethoven was deaf. Maybe his job should have gone to Joe Ableist instead.

I lived through that time too John,found the whole series very close to the bone. How has it been for you watching the series knowing you were there in those times?

@@avirtualcanvas7584 Well, I was a wee bit older then than were the characters in the series and I wasn't quite as wild as I had been. I do remember friends dying, in the case of one dear friend not knowing until years after he had died. Like characters in the film he took himself home (He lived in Germany), was looked after by his mother, in the final weeks in a hospital and was too ashamed to tell us. Such a wonderful, witty, intelligent and loving man. I'm sad thinking about it. So many gay man were driven to this kind of behaviour by the rampant homophobia and sheer hatred we experienced. Politicians of the time made merry with this crisis for gay people. One Xmas a friend gave me a rubber brick so that I wouldn't throw a real brick at my TV set when Margaret Thatcher came on! I still have it somewhere. I probably need it again now whenever I see that bumptious, lazy blond Borisconi. I always found my anger useful (so rarely feel depressed) because it made/makes me act.

@@johnhammond5022 I can relate to the brick throwing totally,sorry to hear about your friend in Germany.I think my anger made me take action at that time too,and it does at times now too.I think at the time I really saw how bad and damaging homophobia,it took a very dark turn for sure in its effects.Being a "buddy" as we were called at the time really felt like being on the front line a times.Which episode struck a chord with you the most, for me it was episode 4.But each episode resonated with me in some way.I don't have any regrets about being part of that time and all the things I did,but I still miss all the people Aids took out of my life even now.

People are flawed. I think it's a mistake to think of those flaws as completely overwriting the rest of someone's character.

@@BNconductor I agree with you that people are flawed, however I think we all have a responsibility to deal with our own flaws, and there are some things which cannot be excused by this... If a character were a rapist, for instance, people wouldn't try and feel sympathy for them the way they seem to have for Valerie... I feel like that's a dangerous thing to do, although I understand that no one involved in the show is responsible for this, for many viewers to find sympathy with Valerie... It risks enabling the many real-life Valeries who still exist today, as it underestimates the extent of their depravity and risks discouraging people from regarding them with the revulsion and disgust they deserve. Essentially, "flawed" covers Valerie's poor reaction at the hospital. Everything else - the emotional abuse of Ritchie and his friends, the isolation of Ritchie and ultimately, Valerie condemning Ritchie to die alone... Those were hateful acts, not the result of normal human flaws. I'm sorry if this comes across as ranty, and I absolutely don't mean to direct any of that at you, not at all, and I'm very sorry if it reads that way... I'm just trying to get across the reasons why I think it's a mistake to try and humanise characters like Valerie

@@christopherharris8317 I think it's a mistake to dehumanise anyone at all. No exceptions. If we want to change the way people behave, we have to start by understanding why they behave as they do. The alternative is like screaming at a brick wall. You don't change someone's behaviour by condemning them. At the moment most people don't see that, and it's one of the main reasons why there's so much anger, conflict and pain in the world. Have a look at the Norweigan justice system for a great example of how refusing to dehumanise people can turn their lives around.

@@BNconductor I think that it's a mistake to dehumanise a person from birth, as this can oversimplify and understate just how depraved some people can be - we must bear in mind that these were people once, but that they wilfully threw away their humanity. Otherwise, we afford the same protections to the most sadistic and cruel people in our society as we do to the kindest and most selfless... Society has to embrace the idea that, while we are all born human, there are some who by their actions deny their humanity... And the consequences of that should cease to be purely theoretical, otherwise you risk letting the Valeries of the world get off scot-free with their actions... I mean, how does one measure a jail sentence against a murder, or against a campaign of abuse?

Kids today, bro 🙄

Because the song is almost half a century old.

@@somerandomguy2073 Still she was the host and should have done her research

I want to know how that was done!. I rescue gulls so love them :)

@@Sussex_gull_volunteer_network I bet that gull didn't need any persuasion!

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I thought this was lovely to watch afterwards, giving us a small insight into the actors and writer themselves and I love the cup game they do every episode

Congratulations