In this film, I saw horses much more relaxed and willing. They were not over flexed and appeared to love their job. I would love to have today''s dressage riders have to work a test with their chin into their throat for 5 minutes to see how it feels.
They hardly lift their feet. NO collection. NO elasticity, NO Nothing. THROWN around in The piruettes thue one time and 2 CHANGES are all WRONG. You cannot afford to have One mistake today. . Today these wouldnt get approved.
@@lauralauren6432 well nowadays, abuse is Promoted. Almost all horses are hyperflexed, disengaged hindquarters, overflexed pasterns, a pain face and the riders use horrible bits, hard hands, stiff seats, rollkur, etc. You would think that dressage is more about correct movement than flashieness😊
A lot of these horses were army/military and did not necessarily specialise in dressage as is the modern dressage horse. There are a good few in this video who don't have much lateral flexion and bend. Not all are "in front of the vertical". The warmblood hadn't gone through the breeding refinement and so were largely calvary charges, heavy, long backed, big limbed, built to pull heavy artillery, especially the Oldenburg. But what is nice to see are horses moving forward and freely without too much aiding.
I'm so happy to see that NONE of these horses is in rolkur. They are all positioned correctly, some of them definitely better than others. But overall outstanding compared to the dysfunction that dressage has become.
I don't agree with Sooz. These horses are "hollow" by today's standards, but today's horses are behind the vertical to the point of the nose being on the chest. Competitive dressage has evolved considerably since its debut in the Olympics in 1912, when it strongly reflected the military use of horses at that time. I thought these horses looked for the most part comfortable, relaxed, happy, and forward, with a more correct piaffe and passage than is often seen today. The raised feet describe an arc in the passage, as they should, and do not "dwell" as is often seen today. Even the canter pirouettes were fairly good in most cases - on the spot, without losing the rhythm. This was the heyday of the long-backed, flat-crouped warmbloods. It's also pouring rain by the 3rd horse which probably didn't help the performances. I particularly liked the grey horse, second from the end, especially the lightness of the contact and the correctness of the movements for the most part. You don't see slack in the reins like that anymore. The horse also looked shorter in the back. I also liked the last horse, who performed the piaffe and passage with ease, and the piaffe was far more correct and relaxed than is often seen today. These horses don't have the pizazz seen today, but the tense, foot-flicking trots seen today, although they're spectacular, aren't correct. Some of the most famous dressage riders and horses of all time were at the 1964 Olympics, including Harry Boldt on Remus, Reiner Klimke on Dux, Josef Neckerman on Antoinette, Henri Chammartin on Woermann), Sergey Filatov on Absent, and Ivan Kizimov on Ikhor. Bengt Ljungquist was also there, riding for Sweden. But the video is so dim and grainy, especially since the rain began, that I can’t tell who's who. It's easier to recognize horses, from color and markings, than riders. The 1st rider appears to be Chammartin. The 2nd horse looks like Dux. So the 3rd horse is Antoinette? She was grey although I thought a lighter grey than this. The 4th horse (U.S.S.R.) must not be Ikhor, because Ikhor had a star. So is it Absent? Is the 5th horse Remus? He was grey. Who’s #6?
Absent @ 31:36. Takes bronze. All grace. He could perform this in his sleep. They say they penalized him for having his mouth open too much. Enraptured crowds never agreed with the judges. He was their easy favorite.
I agree with alsimps comments pretty much down the line.The extended gallops are especially reminiscent of romps across a field. I suspect these horses were trained in the field-esp. note just around 20:36 where the horse comes from a gallop to a halt at C. Impressive! Also, the polls are the highest points in all the movements almost without fail. This is submission with spirit. Perhaps they aren't as perfectly rehearsed as today's performances, but they sure don't look mechanical either. One can occasionally see the riders aids applied with instant effect. They're just fun to watch! The second grey looks like a Piaff offspring. I think I heard the announcer say the sixth horse was Absent. Sure looks like him.
Bei 2:27 >>>>>Das Pferd ist ziemlich lang. Um seine Vorderbeine zu entlasten, damit der Sattelgurt nicht stört und damit es die Schulterblätter frei bewegen kann, sollte man m. E. den Sattel etwas weiter hinten platzieren oder??
Yeah. Before “dressage” became a “sport” it was the meticulous training and development of ALL horses. Notice the free, elevated tail carriage! That’s how a truly “through” horse moves. Modern “dressage” is a mere shell game, most of the time, imho.
As much as we adore classical dressage. We must also remember that rolkur was widely accepted back then and god knows how many riders were using them before competitions. Just a thought.
Does anybody know the name of the grey horse and its rider?? That was a phenomenal ride! Slightly in front of the verticle, relaxed, straight, foward, willing, supple, mentally (one minor looking out in the very beginning) and physically engaged, all correct changes, most correct transitions (only sticky coming out of piaffe), happy ears forward expression the entire time, hind legs coming underneath the body, no fidgeting in the halt, no head bobbing or sucking back for any gait, solid half passes, three beat canter pirouettes (hind end doesnt spin out while maintaining a small circle with the hind legs too, especially on the first pirouette), the super clear difference between trot, passage, and piaffe, and no tense tail wringing. WOW. It wasnt 100% but imo that had to be some kinda 90 if ive ever seen one. 11:40
Wow, some of this is light-footed, rhythmic and beautiful, like from a forgotten era (not the first rider perhaps). Not near as much janked, heavy or behind the vertical "push button" riding like some current riders. Also interesting how differently these horses were bred (I like some of it better than today's). Is that the great Rainer Klimke with Ahlerich entering at 6:23? It looks so much like him, but then it wouldn't make sense, then it should be 1984, so maybe I am seeing something that isn't there :-). When he rode, it was poetry in motion, he left this world too early, but I am happy his daughter Ingrid Klimke is carrying on his legacy.
The frames on these horses is so much better than the rolkur garbage we see today. These riders are all still too handsy, and these horses are still not in true self carriage. Take their bridles off, and they'll fall apart.
Now I know it's not unusual but as someone who looks for square horses these horses mostly appear as stretched limos, the dachshund of horses, if you will.
Bien sûr il y a de nombreuses aproximations, le modèle des chevaux est très différent, ils sont plus longs et donc moins faciles à rassembler mais ils sont calmes avec une attitude naturelle et une évidente bonne volonté (ou impulsion). Les cavaliers sont assis, leur rein fonctionne, ils ne sont pas arcqueboutes sur la bouche. Si le présent s'inspirait du passé...
Also today's horses are bred for dressage with better confirmation, back then people had to use whatever they got a hold of, which means they took more work. But today's horses are rarely collected anyways lol
Sooz Kempner you have no idea what you are talking about. Your statement reveals only your arrogance and ignorance. My guess is you've never had the desire or the opportunity to train under a real horseman. Most of these riders spent many years mastering horsemanship unlike today's so called Dressage competitors, most of whom haven't got a clue. Too many dressage riders today flap their lower legs spurring their horses and crank in their reins to go behind the vertical. This is false riding which was frowned upon by true masters. Real riders let the horse come into the bit and into the frame. False riders of today force the horse into what looks like a correct form in untrained eyes of today's many riders. In the old days riders spent years in the cavalry and the washout rate was steep. Today, all it takes is money to pretend that you can ride. It's a sad parody what used to be an art.
