Even when I considered myself a Christian the “only God can forgive sins” argument to show Jesus is God was always super weak to me. Clearly the Jewish leaders in that passage are being portrayed as incorrect there, and then later the apostles are also shown as being able to forgive sins. The counter argument there is that they can only do that because Jesus gave them the authority, but we also have Jesus saying his authority was given to him by God. Obviously they viewed authority as communicable, so there’s no reason to think Jesus must have been God, especially since he said his authority was given to him and not innate
The people who wrote the Old Testament were not thinking of Jesus. The Old Testament is a fundamentally Jewish set of writings. I do not think that it is fair to them for us to say that they were foreshadowing Christ.
This is 100% correct. However apologists will say that God was working through those authors to forshadow Christ. You can’t win because apologists will just make stuff up to support whatever idea they want.
@@chadkent327 “And He said to them, These are the Words which I spoke to you yet being with you, that all the things must be fulfilled having been written in the Law of Moses, and the Prophets, and the Psalms, concerning Me.” (Luke 24:44) “For if you were believing Moses, you would then believe Me; for that one wrote concerning Me. But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My Words?” (John 5:46-47)
@@That_one_introvert. Ummm and?? Some old guys wrote stuff, making fallacious claims that were then changed by later scribes and added to by others. Your comment means absolutely nothing except for the meaning you give it. Nothing more.
@@That_one_introvert. It also falseley says that the torah says the Messiah must suffer, die and rose on the third day which is nowhere found in the torah😂😂😂 so olease
I kinda thought God couldn't and wouldn't forgive sins due to the demands of justice. That Jesus' sacrifice for the sins of the world made it possible for the forgiveness of sins. If God could forgive sins this whole time, without an intercessor, it seems a sadistic unnecessary death to sacrifice Jesus if God could have forgiven you anyway.
Exactly .isaiah 55 7 and 2 Chronicles 7 14 says God forgives those who repent. Not to mention the Lord's prayer where you have to ask God for forgiveness. Or the baptism which forgives sins. Even money can be used for the forgiveness of sins. Or righteous deeds in Daniel
To me, it's more that it's impossible to not sin. Living requires killing, it's mandatory. Honouring your parents when they serve the beasts and whole-heartedly embrace the beasts sins, is impossible. Honouring the sabbath when God no longer drops manna from heaven, etc are all impossible. Thus Jesus is a "get out of jail free" card. That blood sacrificed, sanctified the temple called life so that everyone's sin from just surviving is forgiven. It thus cleans the slate, and then allows one's conscience decisions to be what is judgeable. This was furthered by Jesus rewritting the laws to only be 2 1. Love/fear/obey God 2. Love one another Now the process of "farming" and collecting seeds for the next harvest begins begins. Since then all those that can obey those 2 laws get put in the keep pile, the rest get composted. Good news: revelations 7:9 the seeds to be kept, come from every nation, tribe, people and language. So being "christian" is irrelevant Being "national" is irrelevant It's truly one's ability to live by those 2 laws. That's it. That's the water baptism (water=rev 17:15 are the multitudes of people's nations and tongues) The baptism is understanding human's aren't God and accepting the Divine as one's God, king, kingdom, church, etc. Once baptised then like Jesus one can walk on the waters without being of the waters. Rev 13 the beast comes out of the sea of people. Being a part of the sea means allignment with the beast is mandatory. But we can't rejected all humanity, we need each other to survive. So not being of the water is complex, if not impossible. Thus the sacrifice. For without it, none would make it through.
In the torah or bible there are sins against God and humans or angels. So it's not talking about the judgement day but sins in this world. E.g. when Zachariah didn't believe the angel, the angel made him not able to see. If I am not wrong, there is an exact or similar passage in the torah.
That "valley of the shadow of awful drivers" Dan is running in/from? It exists in Houston, TX, also! 😅 The VSAD is a macroscopic emanation of quantum superposition. It materializes every time we think we can get from point A to point B, consuming our time and life force. A certain king, stuck in the VASD, once said, "what can men do against such reckless hate?" Man, physics sucks! 😭
Man, do you ever get tired of reiterating the same points ad nauseum? I must have watched a dozen videos of yours that make the same point (though they're worth watching for your strangely melodious delivery). You have the proverbial patience of a Saint dan!
Jesus still may be YHWH, then, for some. The trinity may be post NT modification, but the idea that Jesus is the angel of the Lord may be prior. Jesus (Joshua) son of Nun certainly fulfills Exodus 23:20, even though that verse may not be about him. In Exodus 33 Moses twice more asks who will lead them into Israel, and one answer in the angel and another answer is the presence, both mentioned in the NT Hebrews. Another time it is hornets that will drive out the nations. Later still, Moses is told that a human, Jesus (Joshua) son of Nun, will lead them to the promised land, the rest, the land of milk and honey. So in a way, it is easy to see how an earlier version of a Jesus could be conflated with the angel of the Lord, and thus with YHWH himself, like being an aspect of YHWH, like the word of the Lord or like wisdom in Proverbs 8 are aspects of YHWH personified. Again in Judges 2, the angel of the lord leads the people up from Gilgal, an unusual task for the angel of the Lord compared to other mentions in the HB or OT. It is a task for someone like Jesus (Joshua) son of Nun. The angel scolds the people, and then Jesus (Joshua) dismisses them back to their houses. The angel of the Lord convenes the meeting, disappears, and Jesus dismisses the meeting. This reminds one of Clark Kent disappearing whenever Superman appears or vice versa. Most likely it was not written with that intent in mind, yet there it is, ready to be interpreted as the imaginative mind can do. The episode of Jesus being able to forgive sins in the gospels comes through Mark in healing the paralytic man. The way that Jesus heals is questioned in the same manner as Elisha's healing of Naaman. And Naaman is healed in the Jordan where David forgave sins and Naaman converts to worshipping YHWH. Elisha is another OT 'prior Jesus' which Mark bases his story. BTW, both Jesus son of Nun and Elisha received some sort of powerful spirit at the east bank of the Jordan, while Jesus of Nazareth received it in the Jordan.
@@leom6343 He killed the king of Jerusalem 40 years after being rejected by his people (Numbers 14, Jesus 10). That generation, who did not believe despite the signs, could not enter the kingdom, but only their children. The king of Jerusalem was hung on a tree taken down at evening, put in a cave, and a large pile of rocks were put in front of that cave. Joshua in Greek is Jesus. And Jesus son of Nun is one major basis for all the events of Jesus of Nazareth per Mark.
@@StorytimeJesus Joshua, Isaiah and Jesus are all from the same root. That's doesn't make them the same person's. Joshua was also from the tribe of Ephraim
@@leom6343 Jesus is the transliteration of the Greek translation of what Joshau is a transliteration of: Yehoshua/Yeshua. I get the desire to include Isaiah, but Isaiah has littel storyline and none of that is used as in the stroyline of Jesus of NAzareth. Ask me about any section of Jesus of NAzareth's earthly ministry, and I can show you how it uses a 'prior Jesus'
@@StorytimeJesus so they are the same person because they have the same name? The Messiah is not from Ephraim. But from Judah. Joshua was a follower and spy of/for Moses. And its no secret that the Nt AUthors used the Ot as their source to create a story about Jesus
It simply amazing how these true believers go on-and-on spouting these crazy nonsense and rubbish. This lad is particularly spitefully affected with the crazed beliefs. Quite sad, a waste of a life.
Do you have any actual criticism of what he said, or is calling him spiteful and crazed the extent of what you can muster? You didn't even refer to anything he said, for fuck's sake
I think what you saw is not what you thought you saw. This lad is here analysing _other people's_ crazed beliefs, and does an awesome job of not discussing his own. If no one analyses culture, then culture goes unanalysed.
@@hive_indicator318 For those of us older than this social trend, could you be specific as to what was ‘ableist’? I don't think there's enough evidence to guess.
