Joseph Woll has started 4 playoff games. All of them elimination games. He has won 3 and lost the other one in overtime. He has nothing to prove other than to stay healthy. Great signing.
I like the term to which Treliving signed Woll but with the per-season cap hit (almost US$3.67 million) not so much. Whether Woll and Tony Stolarz will be enough to get the Leafs through the regular season remains TBD although I can't think of a season, following the 2019-20 one, during which they've managed to get thru regular-season play with just 2 goalies.
The truth is that the core should have been dismantled after Montreal. But prolly cause of ego Shanahan did not allow a trade to occur and now we are stuck in a no win situation where we lose Marner for nothing or we pay him a contract which he isnt worth.
We just have to remember how JT left the NYI, and shouldn’t everyone just expect Mitch to leave Toronto in the same way - just for balance and fairness? 😀 Mitch should protect his interests by playing out his contract and looking out for number one.
The Last Marrner Experiment: I think Marner has always been better suited to playing centre, which I think he did some in junior. He is not a board battler but a playmarker. Centre would give him more ice to access easily. Typically, the winger would take the man off the puck and the playmaking forward would scoop up the loose puck to find the scoring winger on the other side. He has defensive acument to do the job, so he would really only have to work on being productive on face-offs. But his smarts and quickness could make him a good face-off guy. Moving Marner to centre would also help deflect the narrative going into camp, giving the media another angle to focus on. Further, it could shore up the center ice issue for the Leafs, spending the big dollars down the middle of the ice is more justifiable. Plus, finding top six wingers is easier than top six centres. For the life of me, I can't understand why they have never tried this? Better than Nylander at centre. I see Marner as potentially being in the Denis Savard mode. Smaller players fit better at centre as playmakers rather than on the wings where the board battles take place. I would try Marner there if I were Berube, and tell him he has to also be willing to get his nose dirty when necessary if he wants to stay a Leaf.
I can't say for sure, but Marner was tried at center in Junior and it simply wasn't a fit. Marner is a valuable player all through the season until the regular season boys game ends and men come out to play in playoffs. Marner is a perimeter pete player. Year after year after year he's proven this. Remember how many times any player that even looks at him and he shoots it over the boards. Marner is a man child. He's a boy wonder playing in a men's league and most certainly doesn't fit a N/S game like Berube will try to implement.
If it were the 1980s I'd agree. Now a centre has to play a heavy down low game in both ends. Marner is exceptional defensively...as a winger. He lacks the lbs to be an NHL centre
@@gordonbgrahamBut Bert assisted on 3 others. Of members of the AM34-Marner-Nylander-Morgan Reilly-Tavares quintet: - AM34 scored 1 goal among 4 points over 5 games (0.8 average points/game) - Marner scored once among 3 points over 7 games (0.429 APPG) - Nylander scored 3 goals among 3 points over 4 games (0.75 APPG) - Rielly, a d-man, put up as many points as Nylander, but all assists and over 3 more games than the winger (0.429 APPG) - Tavares scored 1 goal among 2 points over 7 games (0.286 APPG) Nylander’s and AM34’s APPG each exceeded Bertuzzi’s, with those of Marner, Rielly and Tavares having lagged behind. That said, no member of the Leafs’ core-5 put up more points than Bertuzzi while among members of the core-5, only Nylander scored multiple goals in last spring’s Leafs-Bruins playoff series. Matt Knies was the only non-core-5 then-Leaf to score multiple goals in that series, a serious indictment of the way GM Treliving constructed that roster. Failing to move off 1 or more of AM34, Marner, Nylander, Rielly and Tavares meant limited depth and only ONE game during which the Leafs that postseason had scored 3 or more goals/game. It’s remarkable they survived so long of the postseason considering how little scoring they had gotten in so many of those games.
@@gordonbgrahamTBD will be how many changes GM Treliving ends up this offseason making will change much because unless change occurs to the core-5, I don’t see the Leafs likely to win a 2025 playoff series.
Yeah if they do a pick and prospect then don’t use the cap space then yes they’ll have issues. If they get a pick and prospect then use the 10m to get a solid 3rd line centre and scoring winger then they’ll be better than last year.
I"m Happy! I'm 68 years young and have witnessed 4 Leaf cups in my lifetime. That's all folks; won't be happening again even if I live to 98. Think about it: Reilly, Nylander, and possibly Mathews are not suited to win cups. Not tough or strong enough to go four rounds. Their contracts expire in 7 years or so, Mathews won't resign after 5. Then they'll have to rebuild for the umpteeth time...and on it goes.
first, Trev's priority was mid 6 center (C Stephenson) with bert' money, and top 4 right shot d man, (Pesce or Tanev) with brodie's money. So he failed miserably. second, he could have traded Marner to CBJ for jenner (6'2 hit leader, foff % leader, 20-30 goals) provorov (both players pp and pk), and 4th overall pick (Demedov) and now Laine, before they signed Monahan. . brad Trembling
I think a first round and blue chip prospect would be the best leafs can hope for. Sadly, most teams will want to move salary of players they don't want on their team making it basically a wash. In all, Leafs have messed so much up here. From letting Dubas trade away futures while not properly assessing the team to letting Shanahan stay at the helm. What a mess. Now that the first week after FA is over, it's become less likely by the day Marner will be moved. Pity
If it was just Marner's $11m this year, I can see some team taking a crack at that. But he will never waive his NMC unless he gets an extension and no team is crazy enough to take on 9 years at almost $100m without seeing him play with their team first.
It may be the Leafs will have to retain as much as US$5 million of Marner’s remaining cap hit to move him. Whether Marner will then agree to, as winger Patrick Kane in February 2023 did to facilitate a trade from the Blackhawks to the NYR, waive his full no-move clause still remains TBD. The NYR didn’t re-sign Kane but at least he got to see playoff action and after having won multiple Cups with the Hawks’ team that’d drafted him, seeing SOME playoff action with the NYR sure was a step up on having remained on a team that had been scheduled to come nowhere CLOSE to a playoff spot due to rebuilding.
@@wainber1 Think from Marner's perspective he goes from one of the highest scoring teams (Toronto) to lets say Vegas (who's highest scorer in the last 4 years only had 69 points), a middle of the pack scoring team, and his production goes from 90+ to 70 in a contract year, what is that going to do to his next contract? There is no way he'll waive without an extension. You're dreaming if you think otherwise.
@@nerinamak3298 I look forward to seeing Marner gone ASAP from the Leafs although how that happens, other than perhaps via retirement, still remains TBD.
If Mitchy doesn’t accept a trade now then Berube you have to play him on third or fourth line then when season ends let him walk or resign him for 7-8 million AAav not a penny more
Hey guys. Good show as usual. I am a little curious if Berube can get more from Marner. But regardless he is not worth 12 mil! Dubas and Shanahan created this mess! I know this is a stretch… but can the leafs somehow void the contract they gave Hakanpaa- due to the injury. Pay him the same money in the AHL while he rehabilitates. Then offer NHL contract?
Still think with Carolina's roster turnover, they make the good fit to trade for Marner, and I'm sure RBA could get him back to production. IMO, if he's on opening day roster, it's a flub by the front office. This team didn't improve enough to go over the hump. Regardless of everything I've just said....I'm a glutton for punishment so I'll be cheering for the sweater no matter who wears it. Great episode.
If Keith Pelly really wanted Leafs to be a cup winning team, the first thing he would have done is replacement Shanahan! Problem is Leafs are not owned by 1 guy who wants to win at all costs: it's corporate, and corporations play it safe.
Hey guys it’s been 2 weeks without a show but. Jack shit is going on. What do you think of giving a PTO to Cal Clutterbuck ? In his thirties but he can help kill penalties and hits everything and has some playoff experience and could fill in for some 4th line depth
Why would Marner not want to stay in Toronto? They’re “right there”, “so close”. Self doubt is a mind state not possessed by elite pro athletes, no doubt AM and M2 are looking at the support cast and wondering why they never show up in the playoffs.
Any GM who trades for Marner should be fired. Once the regular season starts and the Leafs are winning and Marner is piling up points, the fans will be quiet.
Marner isn’t a playoff performer but has been a relatively good regular-season one. Maybe this coming season things will be different as pessimistic as I am, should he remain with the Leafs long enough that they see playoff action, he will score often enough, particularly in elimination games, to help the Leafs win such important games.
Marner's best course of action is to wait until a month before the trading deadline , see which teams have a shot at a cup, and give the Leafs a list of teams. Right now, his value is decreasing by the minute. His value will go back up just before the deadline. Unlike everyone else in this self-centered city, I care more about what's best for Mitch than what's best for this moronic organization
I care about seeing the Leafs go on a deep playoff run next spring. That’s although it’s not likely they’ll win another playoff series with the AM34-Marner-Nylander-Morgan Rielly-Tavares quintet remaining together.
@@wainber1 really? ;a deep playoff run'? That's the problem right there. The fans. They're the problem. Too easily satisfied and compliant. If you EVER want the organization to really care about winning, you gotta hit 'em where it hurts. STOP buying merchandise. STOP buying tickets. STOP going to bars to watch games. This BS is because management are morons. Why does Shanahan still have a job?
Leafs medical staff is highly overrated. They couldn't figure out Klingberg had a bad hip last year until it was too late. In general Leafs management is bloated, filled with incompetent and inexperienced people, led by Shanny who fell for a young con artist from the Soo. Treliving is decent but he too doesn't have what it takes to bring a championship. Too nice. Overpays players with money and term.
Perhaps more of those medical staff should’ve lost their jobs for incompetence. John Klingberg, Matt Murray and Petr Mrazek are just some of those signings of injury-prone players. Joe Woll, among him and those previous 3, has provided the most value even with the Missouri-born tendy having also been injury-prone.
Leafs Nation is done with Marner… it’s the attitude, playoff softness and the little boy persona. This needs to be brought to his attention. Sign and trade gives him his 8th year (12M) endorsements are done. Major money loss. He will waive/trade. Vegas or Utah.
Mike's argument is flawed..... he says they cant move Nylander, JT or Reilly because of their NO trade, so it has to be Marner! Any of those three can be moved just as easily as Marner. Marner isnt the issue. Fuck the fans that think so.... they are Morons. Cowan will slot in with JT and Mitch on line 2. MItch will have a great fist half and he will be resigned for 4 years at 12.5 before the alstar break! Personally I would be having the hard conversations with JT.
You are beyond delusional. What are you Marner fanboys watching. He’s the weakest link out of the core. Soft, frail and weak, he’s not built for the playoffs. How many points does he have in games 5, 6 and 7?
@@HandShakeLineRespect he has the most playoff points of the core 5 during their time together....period.... that is called an undeniable FACT! Last year he played the end of the season and the entire playoffs through a high ankle sprain... another FACT The leafs arent built for the playoffs.... they never have been. That is Mitch's fault too right? You are delusional!
@@timberwolf3781 You didn’t answer the question Marner fanboy! Marner came back in the regular season, do you really think that he would come back prior to the playoffs if he didn’t feel right. That’s the whole point of letting the injury heal. Do you think the doctors would even let him play in the playoffs if he didn’t recover properly. At the end of the playoffs, not one word of his “high ankle” injury. Last playoffs against Tampa, Marner got majority of his points early on in the series, majority of those points also came when the games were pretty much decided. This playoffs, he had 2 assists in 7 games. Absolutely pathetic for a “star” playmaker. All facts! But the most important fact is that you can’t and won’t say how many points Marner has in the important times in games 5, 6 and 7!
@@HandShakeLineRespect Matthews has 10 points between those games, Nylander had 9, and Marner has 4. Marner supporters either are ignorant or they are willingly obfuscating these truths because they have an attachment to the guy.
@@jesseburke3990 yup 100% spot on, thats the contract thats been for years killing the Leafs, not Marner..that Tavares signing IMO killed a perfect Leafs rebuild at the time and set the bar for all the young core to get overpaid..which they did
Leafs missed the boat with shaking up the core….If Marner signs a similar contract to Nylander to stay and JT coming off the books next year, it isn’t the worse thing.
@@glimmo43 Being in a contract season can put a lot of pressure on a player to perform. That said, stopping all but 2 shots during game 7 of last spring's Leafs-Bruins playoff series might very well have been the difference between Ilya Samsonov possibly having to play on an AHL contract, ECHL contract or in one of the European hockey leagues and getting to play for a playoff-calibre, albeit still quite flawed, Golden Knights' team that lost its last playoff series to the Dallas Stars in 7 games.
@@wainber1 and neither is Matthews a playoff performer, should they try to move him also? have Leafs fans really thought this out? who is going to set up Matthews? Knies?? lol
