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@@RealAICCl how so?

@@calsium2678 mobile games are notorious for psychologically scamming people. You can look into it if you want I’m not gonna sit here in the RU-vid comment section and write an entire essay to convince you. Trust me when I say I have a lot of experience with this stuff and these mobile games are scams who make bank on people who end up giving away insane amounts of money to pay to be a winner in some thing, which is totally OK, but people who are getting into it are going to be heavily encouraged and incentivized to spend money in micro transactions not only that, but these games are direct copies and clones of all the other ones that are exactly like this and yet it just has a different skin on it so the developer can get away with it. It is a direct scam just as much as the buying of a plot of land in Scotland, become a lord, or lady was a scam.

You should know the actors of snow white and charmingy fell in love on Set for Real and married in 2014, they gave 2 sons

@@RealAICCl yeah I was hearing about the established titles bs

😂 same

Same!!! I love it!!!

Exactly!

100% the same

This show is so stupid and the cringe is real. But I love it! The more green screens, the better (?

When they announced frozen would be in it (and not the ice queen) and literally used the outfits of elsa and anna in the writing I had to look it up because I was too suspicious that the mouse had his hands in my (albeit terrible) show. Once I had proof, I was done watching 😅😂 like welp the writing is getting just a bit TOO silly for me

It was apparent from the start. There is no character named Jiminy in Pinocchio, the dwarfs names are copyrighted, and names such as Ariel, Ursula, Aurora, Melifecent and Jasmin are Disney only (that last one even has a name in the original story, Disney just changed it because it was to foreign). The only non Disney Characters in this are Rumpelstilskin (if we ignor that he is the Beast and Crocodile) and Hansel and Gretel (which I guess the Disney Version is just to unknown to have been used). As a genuine fan of fairytals I really dislike that, honestly. I grew up with the original stories. If you are looking for a story with a similar premise tho, I suggest picking up the Fables Comics. They are mostly known for the Game adabtation of "The Wolf Among Us".

@@ArnLPs Y'know I should've known that and yet it never clicked back then for 4 seasons 💀 Edit- I remember when the wolf among us game came out back in the day too! Maybe I should re-check that franchise out

@@river3c761 I love Fables and think the fandom is way to small. It's sad how the Wolf among us is all people know about it, and it's a prequel to the original comic. It's definitely less for kids than OuaT, and I think more inspired by War Movies. If that interests you check it out, but fair warning the first two books are not really representative of the entire comic run. It really only starts in Book 3. My relationship with OuaT was very hateful, because it made very obvious how little people cared and know about these original stories I grew up with. Only caring for the Disney version. While I always watched these, even as a child, as adaptations. Just one version of this story. Everyone else seems to see the Disney movies as the TRUE Versions, and that's just frustrating.

When they started showing Elsa and Anna and Frozen characters in general, that's when I knew it was owned by Disney and I was like what the fuck is going on. It was so jarring to see Elsa and them anyway simply because their outfits are literally the Disney outfits and not an alternate redesign outfit. Everyone in the show has an alternate outfit and not the actual Disney outfits. In storybrooke and the fantasy world, Snow White, and Aurora, and Mulan, and literally every other princess and prince has alternate redesigned outfits to make up their character and fit the vibe of the show. They don't have the exact outfits made in the movies. So seeing Elsa, Anna, and Kristoff in their Disney outfits is SO freaking weird when seeing them next to Emma and all of them. Even the Evil Queen when she was in storybrooke didn't look that jarring simply because she wasn't wearing her Disney outfit and was wearing an outfit to match the vibe, coloring, and tone of the show

A throuple would’ve been amazing! They had so much love and trust between the three of them.

I low key wanted Mulan and Aurora to get together bc that would have been cute tbh

@@slay.interrupted Mulan was straight up gonna confess her love for Aurora until she found out Aurora was pregnant:(

The Queen of Hearts is the mother of the Evil Queen and the Wicked Witch of the West

Don't forget the time Henry's great grandfather, who appeared to be the same age as him, tried to steal his body or something.

Totally agree! This is my all time favorite show. I got my brother hooked, my son and now my cousin. I’ve watched this series 5 times now and I keep finding new nuggets each time! Love it❤️

right? it's silly, but I just started loving it more after we were finally done with the Frozen stuff. Emma and Hook saving each other, Dark Emma, all that

I liked this show because as it went on, it started feeling like the closest we would ever get to live action Kingdom Hearts, what with the whole darkness being a tangible thing, a kid who's an outsider to everything coming in and fixing all the stuff like sora does in the KH games,. there was also the fairy tale and later on disney characters whos worlds were all connected and crossing over, the time travel bullshit which became a big thing in KH

dr incell and mr chad is the best way to describe them lmfao i wish they had a longer story arc

I was actually really upset by this arc! I’m a huge fan of the original books (Frankenstein, dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde, count of monte Cristo, etc) and I felt that they really didn’t utilize them enough!! There were sooo many possibilities they could’ve done with those characters and they just squandered them. :( also not to be *that guy* but I was sooo upset that they took influence from the Frankenstein movie instead of the novel, which really broke the (admittedly flimsy) rule of using book characters. Frankenstein’s creature form the book would’ve made a FANTASTIC villain of the season, especially alongside Hyde! Hell, they could’ve even thrown Dracula into the mix for some variety! Not to mention the phantom of the opera, Dorian gray, the invisible man, so many possibilities!!!!!!!! But I will admit that Jekyll and Hyde from the show were pretty entertaining lol

That's hilarious 😂

The way he reacts to the hair comment when he has it dyed ultra blonde for iZombie 🤣🤣🤣

​@@quite_contrary_9956I recommend Penny Dreadful. That show utilized Frankenstein a lot better than OUAT did.

He was also the old guy from up lol

He was pretty much the only reason I ever stayed engaged as well, lol.

YESSS

Yes, and he's ridiculously hot too.

Same, though they didn’t do his character Justice in the last seasons. Still, he was one of the only things that kept me watching 😂

Ah that spin off was so dumb I love it

sebastian stan was in this?????!!!!

@@SkiddlyBink He was the Mad Hatter in a few episodes in season 1.

wonderland was kinda great and a mini series. nothing to cancel.

One of my favorite picture sets I've seen on the internet was this show's plot twist/soap opera moments... but with the animated Disney characters saying them, just to drive home how silly it all looks with those characters in mind. Seeing Beast and Wicked Queen asking Ariel for Pandora's box is great out of context.

I think they were already divorced once the show started. But you're right, they did LOL and they're still married 🤙🏾

@Bakuru no, they Josh Dallas was still married to his then-wife. He divorced her in 2011 and got into a relationship with Ginnifer the same year.

@geosustento8894 yeah but it was literally only a month after the show started. Meaning the divorce was already being filed before the show started. Divorce takes a while to complete, no matter how amicable, I know personally LOL

@@Bakuru regardless of whether or not Josh cheated on his wife, Ginnifer definitely did. She was engaged to someone else at the time.

imagine someone who hasn't watched ouat and is just reading this comment.. 💀

just like god intended

Imagine Killian Jones interacting off of Captain Jack Sparrow

Or Kingdom Hearts.

Omg imagine Captain Hook and Jack Sparrow together 💀 the eyeliner lvl they would be on-

That’s because the creators it would be hard to imagine Jack Sparrow without Johnny Deep.

Are Emma Swann and Elizabeth Swann related then

Really+ That is when I lost interest in the show.

Season 4 (Elsa season) was the one I almost stopped because it got too Disney for me. Neverland atleast spin the story around, minewhile they left Frozen as it was

@Lel Nel that's funny because I actually quite enjoyed the Frozen storyline. But it has been a while since I saw it. I think Ice Queen carried it for me

Oh yeah, the amount of character development for Rumpelstiltskin and Bo easily makes the Neverland arc my favorite one in the series. The various twists at the end just kept on making it even better and Pan is such a good antagonist that he can even hold his own against The Dark One himself. Really sucks that they followed this up by killing one character and resetting the other

Pan was easily the best villain the series ever had, and having Rumple sacrifice himself at the end was the perfect conclusion to his arc.

Yea is a gulty pleasure for me I've also seen the show a couple time

Same, I go back to it every couple of years

I want to rewatch the first few seasons now dang. I loved everything up into the Peter Pan arc

@@tk-zay5073 Yeah, Henry’s uncharacteristically dumb in that season.

Too, deary! Through peter pans arc is really good for an actual dark disturbing peter pan adaption.

He’s my favorite character ❤️ Robert Carlyle is so good

Rumple is quite literally the Joker with magic and planning skills of Palpatine and yet still had heart honestly probably my favourite character in anything

@@Bored_Barbarian agreed

_"Huntsman"*_

Captain Hook. Mmmm. ❤

SAMEEE😂😂😂I wrote “OUAT” all over my assignment notebooks and homework!

I was 30 when this show came out and it had a hold on me as well. It was just that good.

The way I was OBSESSED

The spin-off was good imo. Scarlet Queen was amazing. Cyrus and Alice were good. Idc what anyone says. It was amazing.

But I liked the spin-off more than the original! I think the fact that it was cut short was a benefit cause it was more focused and didn't have the time to become ridiculous. The one thing I didn't like, except for the first cheesy episodes, was the lack if consistence with genie rules : if I remember in the first episode they say you can kill qomeone woth your wish, but in an episode later a wish does kill someone.

​@@strawberrypeppermint4185 yeah. I think people didn't like the spin-off cause they never past the first episode of the show, who was by far the worst episode of the series,if not of all the OUAT universe. But the episodes really increased and I grew to really love Will. The ended was great too.

@@nanalove3819 It was better then S5-S7. Although I kind of like Tilly more then Wonderland Alice I enjoyed them both.

The whiplash of Rumple's character is what eventually made me quit (well, that and the entirely bland use of Emma as the Dark One, like come on)

It's so convoluted and I love it for that.

OUAT walked so that Riverdale could run

She definitely carried the show, especially in season 7 with the soft "reboot"

yes. and then they denied her true love by killing Robin, so i gave up on the show

Rumple was the reason I kept on with the show. Just an absolute marvel of a performance from that man, even partially saved the last season for me with his & bell’s epilogue

i think you misspelled gold, sirrah

I watched through season 7 because of Regina. Honestly I think the season finale of season 6 was perfect to be the series finale

It's very flawed but still a good show. I love KH and you kinda have to overlook some weird issues the same way.

Once Upon a Time is the closest we will ever get to a Kingdom Hearts show

I think with kingdom hearts is the main story is still some what separate from the disney worlds. Idk a majority of my fave worlds in kh are either not disney related and if they are its not just the movie with goofy there. Not really sure how to explain it better.

Emma is basically Sora without a Keyblade.

Same with all my friends. I never got it, like sit me down with some shrek and kingdom hearts over this every day. But ill listen to Billiam talk about it for half an hour.

We also used to love trying to guess who was who since it was season 1. I was sooo convinced the huntsman was Robin Hood. And doctor Frankenstein totally threw us for a loop

SAME! My mom loved this show but we stopped watching once Elsa started coming out because we thought it was corny (as if the show wasn’t corny as hell already) 😂

This makes me sad cuz this kind of communal viewing of television and stretching the serialized format to its absolute limit is really no more. It was killed by streaming and the rise of more niche, spread out content.

Their portrayal of Pan was incredible.

I think pan is even worse, he was already awful before that and him , he is still very hatable before that too. He isnt just gone cray, he is just full embracing it.

I'm on season 2 right now and can't wait for Peter Pan in season 3 which is part of the reason I started this show

@@maldon3659 He returns in S5.

Fun fact: from what I hear Pan was a villain in the OG fairy tale and he’d kiII the lost boys when they became adults. Hook was a lost boy who managed to escape and become an adult and he was only ever trying to save the Lost Boys from Pan. The crocodile was an allegory for death. That’s why it had a clock in it. Hook was an adult now so he was aging and would die soon. That’s why he was so afraid of the crocodile because it represented his death. I’ve never read the original but from those who have this is what I read they said about it.

For me, such a show would be House of Mouse! That show really helped shaped my love of classic Disney cartoons and no one talks about that!

We NEED unhinged recaps of the series (Mike's Mic style) featuring the weirdest family tree to ever exist without actual incest. I'm doing a rewatch now and i love it more than ever

Actually, it's talked about A LOT on every site other than RU-vid. No idea why.

@@KaishaLouise A youtuber called The Theorizer has a whole series on how crazy and hilarious the family tree is. It's like they wanted every single character related! ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ARKpnJF8AW0.html

Because it’s still pretty mid

the actress also did such a good job imo! I loved watching her and you could really tell she was having fun with it. The slow burn for her redemption was really good too, because they'd tease you and make you think she was getting better so when it finally happened and her and Regina finally had a sisterly bond it was really satisfying to see

Just like every Hallmark Christmas movie, where the guy and girl meet, the girl likes the guy, they spend time together, the guy is a total douchebag, the girl dumps him, then the girl forgives him FOR NO REASON, and the movie ends with them back together

So, it should have been written by the CW?

Yes it basically turned into a cheesy soap opera

@@AndreNitroX did…did you NOT think it was a cheesy soap opera?

get luck in life cause that is so all humanity is: keeping secrets and then fighting over them. "i told you i had a roommate i didnt lie" "you didnt tell me he was your husband!" "you said you would be home at 8 where were you tom" "i had to work late" "i called your job and you werent there" etc etc and so on. human "civilization" is nothing but lies

If you want a better version check out the Fables comics.

Funny how you got a Red Riding Hood costume from your GRANNY.

I also dressed up as Ruby for Halloween!

The lore was absolutely fucking batshit insane after awhile. In season 7 they reboot into a new universe, but they still go this painstaking effort to connect it all back to the previous lore, spending an entire episode establishing how Captain Hook in this season is actually an alternate timeline version ??? of the character while the one we spent 6 seasons with before is happily married to Emma. Absolutely ridiculous and stupid but also hilarious

The casting was well done for Frozen tho

The casting was amazing. And then they wrote those characters out, never to be seen again (in the show at least).

Honestly though? That season was sort of a better adaption of The Snow Queen than Frozen itself was lol.

it’s because it was so incredibly popular at the time that people were literally wondering when it was going to come up. it was the perfect capitalistic blend of two franchises, i remember people who started watching the show ONLY to see the frozen characters.

Or Brave for that matter.

The Sorcerer’s Apprentice was a poem by Goethe before Walt Disney adapted it

Yes! Best actor/character in the show

watched Ravenous right before I started watching once upon a time and was like..."is that cannibal hands?! it is!!!" robert carlyle is amazing

The show started to have big problems since S3B...despite that,I did like the"Frozen"arc,mostly because Anna,Elsa&Kristoff were all adorable :-3 but yeah...the part of the show that was truly _good_ ended when Emma&Henry left Storybrooke(even if it was already a huge plot hole for Pan to be able to cast the Curse in the 1st place..and I'm sure it wasn't the _only_ plot hole by that point!). The moment Hook went back to Emma and tried to force-kiss her memories out of her everything went downhill and it was only worse and worse after the 2nd Robin Hood came and destroyed his own story falling in love with the Snow White's Queen instead of Maid Marian...who wasn't really Maid Marian in the end,but still...X-PPP #OnceUponaWastedPotential The thing that drives me crazy about this show is that,despite it becoming worse and worse to the point I was *BEGGING* for it to end from one point on, there were _still _*_some_* enjoyable elements in each seasons...even the last one(in that case,Drizella...BTW,HUGE misopportunity not putting HER and Henry together instead of making him go back with Cinderella #2!X-/).

I'm so glad that there are others who also missed billiam. Hope our boy was OK during this whole fiasco

i cannot tell if you saying king arthur twice in the redeemed villains list is a typo, if he was redeemed multiple times, or if there was two separate evil king arthurs who both got redeemed. from all i know about this show each option is equally possible

@@authenticlimeflavor432 Oh yeah, that was actually my mistake. Edited to fix that now.

I am so glad I'm not the only one who adores this show even though it wasn't always written very well. Maybe it's because it played such a huge role in my childhood or maybe it's because I had a crush on basically every character, but I keep rewatching.

The Frozen arc was kinda meh, but I'm glad I watched through it, it got more interesting after that was done

Wanna know which Alice do you guys prefer. Alice from OUATIW or S7?

Which is carried by descendants especially with the works every time line

Oddly enough, I remember that scene being the very first time I saw a same-sex kiss on TV

That was like the only thing they respected about the Oz-Books. While they ignore so much, I respect they at least kept Dorothy gay. Supernatural did that too. I love this intrepretation getting popular enough that even a TV show like OUAT uses that.

Me too. I’d stopped watching by then, but I watched THAT episode for sure. It meant a lot to me since that was around the time I came out.

lmao i was like that girl every tuesday

Her and Rumple were legit the best characters in the whole show because they had substance. They were three dimensional, they evolved, progressed, relapsed in their bad behaviour; they were actually complex and interesting. The main characters like Snow or Emma or Henry were always "good" and simple and you always knew what they were going to do or how they were gonna act because they were always the same and it felt boring. Regina's and Rumple's arcs felt exciting and interesting and their personalities had so much to offer and their stories so much to teach.

Yes, absolutely. Regina and Emma were the reasons I stuck around through Season 2 (the one season where I wasn't invested enough to really want to keep watching, and really didn't enjoy). She was the reason I kept watching after.... a popular storyline became pretty central and I even began skipping over parts of the show... There were some really, really moments from the rest of the cast, but these leading ladies and the messages their characters carried were the reason I stuck through the thin areas.

I agree, it had some amazing messages at it's core

Yeah take it from me who watched season 7, don't.

​@@legionairesunny5507 Nobin and Alice with her father Nook were the only good things about that season. Tangled+Cinderella could have been good.

I'm so happy it's Billiam doing it!!

Same! It's bonkers, and I love it lol

It is Disney's Riverdale

I know I think Palpatine says it best "a surprise to be sure but a welcome one"

Yes for me too, Once Upon A Time is such a campy and fun chaotic show. I love the concept/storyline! •Regina and Rumple were some of the characters that carried throughout the whole series.

I think in my opinion the Frozen season could have had a old fairy tale retelling if they did Snow Queen better tbh

Oh, I loved OUAT in Wonderland so hard. 😂 I used to be really chronically ill, and this show was a way to escape and sort of… believe in magic and that maybe one day my curse would break too, and I’d find my prince, and life would be wonderful. Took 18 years, but it did actually happen. I’m glad OUAT helped me make it through. 😊

Season 7 is underrated. If it was marketed as a spin-off and not another season of the show I think it would've gone down better.

@@patrickb125 Dude it was almost a full fledged copy and paste of the first season except only a few of the OG actors came back as the mains and they tried to trick us with different potentially good twist but it ended up being a disappointment. I watched every episode and I just couldn't enjoy it as much as I tried to.

@@Wonderlandhype I don't think it takes as much from the first season as others say. Older Henry and Ella aren't great, but Regina & Rumple's arcs, plus Wish Hook, Alice and the twist on the Cinderella story are really good imo. Again, if it was marketed as a spin-off I think it would've gone down better. I agree it was pretty stupid to continue the show after most of the main cast left but it really doesn't feel like another season.

@@patrickb125 I guess but if I had the choice to go back in time. I would've never spent 20 weeks on this season. I even would've watched Once Upon a Time in Wonderland if it continued on.

Sameeee😂😂😂

Can you go into more detail about the homophobia? I know a few people said some problematic things about SwanQueen but that's all I remember

​@@coops9597 a little, I don't remember much detail, but basically it was stuff like the writers' obvious q*eerbaiting, which was even more intense than in other shows of the time like Rizzoli and Isles who was notorious itself for it, as well as them subtly calling lesbians/lesbian fans delusional (essentially, that it was so laughable that they'd make Regina/Emma a thing that the fans wanting to see it become canon must be delusional for thinking so), Snow White's actress calling lesbianism porn (basically someone asked if Regina/Emma became a thing, and she gave some flippant response about them not making "Once Upon A Time In My Pants" aka, lesbianism is inherently adult/pornographic and has no place in ouat) and when the ship got especially big, they started actively undoing all their character and relationsip growth to make Regina and Emma hate each other in order to "dissuade" shippers, as well as forcing men into their lives (the Emma/Hook angle felt especially forced imo) rather suddenly, and then a while later gave everyone a single ep lesbian romance that's never shown again so they could say "see? we gave you dykes some crumbs, stop complaining now", and when we did continue to complain bc that was bullshit and they knew it, they used it as proof that we just can't be satisfied and therefor media shouldn't even bother trying to appease us in the first place, because we cannot be made happy with anything and just want to complain and attack. all in all, it was just very subtle but also very obvious homophobia in how they spoke to and treated us.

SwanQueen shippers being delusional about the legitimacy of their ship as always...there's absolutely nothing wrong with shipping the two characters, and some of the cast did make questionable comments about the ship, but the claim that the narrative canonically supported the ship until the writers decided to sabotage it by "forcing in" male love interests is just bananas. The show was constantly retracting character growth for the sake of conflict, it was not an issue specific to Emma and Regina's dynamic. The Hook/Emma slow-burn was arguably one of the objectively better written romances of the show (compared to the other main canon ships, like Snow/Charming which was static and Rumple/Belle which constantly suffered from the aforementioned retracted character growth), so the idea that it was an awkwardly forced last-minute attempt to foil SwanQueen shippers is weird. (I concede that Robin/Regina did feel a bit like an awkward afterthought tho). Again, nothing wrong with shipping it. The fandom was full of non-canon serious and crack ships. But SwanQueen fans were NOTORIOUS in the fandom for convincing themselves that the ship was "real" and then getting mad when it inevitably didn't happen. There was nothing in the writing that suggested that the two would ever be romantic (and tbh a lot of it, esp during season 1, seemed like a manifestation of that weird fandom belief that two characters hating each other are signs that they're in love). The writers thought that SwanQueen shippers were delusional for asking if it'd be canon because nothing in their writing suggested it would be.

@@Shadeadder no one said the writers intended them to be together, the sentiment implied is queer baiting. You wrote a whole lot to say nothing relevant

@@Shadeadder you've misunderstood me. I didn't say swanqueen was legit and canon until they suddenly changed their mind and destroyed it. I've never believed that ether. what it was, was another situation much like naruto, where a homophobic/heterocentric writer, for whom homosexuality doesn't even ever cross their mind, accidentally writes an incredibly homoerotic relationship between two same-sex main characters (often as a core part of ether the characters' stories or as the show's core plot), and when fans notice and bring it to their attention, they will suddenly pivot hard to "fix" their mistake, take a hard left from the plot they intended, fuck up the relationship they created to discourage this "misunderstanding" of their intended narrative, and shoehorn in a hetero romance very quickly and unnaturally to reassert the character's intended heterosexuality. you can even kinda see this in the new Zelda game with Sidon and Link. although their result is decidedly far more broke back mountain than I think even they intended. Emma/Hook and Regina/Robin were always forced and unnatural, even to those who didn't ship swanqueen. I myself was never even a big swanqueen shipper, my attention was entirely on Rumpbelle. having grown up on shows like naruto where this happened a lot, I never let myself get invested because I knew better. I'd seen it play out time and time again, and knew it just wasn't worth it. and even if they did do it, it'd be just as much a mess as every other relationship the show had at BEST, and more likely even more of a mess because these two straight men wouldn't know how to write a lesbian relationship any kind of realistically. but the forced feeling this had was noticed by the entire fandom. even those who loved Emma/Hook or Regina/Robin and were happy it was canon, were still grumpy about how badly it was done. some even went so far as to be mad at swanqueen shippers for "forcing [the writer's] hand" and not letting it happen naturally as intended. at least until it got better, once they allowed themselves time to breathe and flesh it out, but the timing of their statement and the introduction/destruction of the relationships and how it was handled in the narrative is undeniable. it was obvious then and it's obvious now. and no, they said fans were delusional for even asking, because it should have been obvious to fans that the writers were homophobic and would never do that with their main characters. the idea to them was so preposterous that it made hopeful gay fans "delusional" to even think it possible that they would make main characters gay regardless of which characters or what evidence there could have been for it. while you could have made that argument at the time, every subsequent action they made proved otherwise. they barely veiled their homophobia, only just enough to retain a semblance of plausible deniability, but it was obvious. and, unlike now with shows like Avatar Korra paving the way for it, they would have been pioneers of gay media to do that, and it is beyond obvious they would never want to be that. and the fact that this is the one thing you can desperately hang onto, in a list of other horrible and hateful things they very clearly did, says everything. were many swanqueen fans a little over zealous and fanatic? absolutely. but there is never an excuse to call gay people delusional, ever, but especially over something as silly as a TV show ship. they knew better and so do you.

I'd describe it as Disney's New Scooby Movies where every episode is a crossover lol

I LOVED THAT SHOW! It aired on toon disney, didn't it?

@@sarasthoughts Yes it did!