One GT 710 Sucks, But What About 4 of Them? (Cheap SLI Hack) | OzTalksHW 

Merry Christmas ladies and gents, and I hope you enjoy this one. A question I asked in the video that I'd like to re-iterate here: is 30 FPS playable, even in fast paced games like Overwatch? Let me know!

Ironically, this is the only GPU left on the shelf today.

Imagine saying you have a 4 way SLI PC to your friend and when he comes over to play it struggles to play anything 😂😂

Thanks for the shout out, you really took the video idea to another level. P.S. Great sweater by the way.

SLI requires all GPUs to maintain the same memory contents. That 4th card, running at PCIe x2 speed would be a big memory bottleneck, causing some real problems. This would be one of those really rare situations where an HEDT platform would possibly make a big difference just because of the extra PCIe lanes.

30 FPS isn't universally enjoyable, but it does work when it's a consistent framerate and it doesn't hinder the genre of game you're playing. Singleplayer RTS, any sort of turn based game, card game, whatever. Fast paced games however need a higher and equally consistent framerate. Inconsistent medium framerates may actually be more annoying than consistent low framerates.

My local Best Buy still sells these for $60 a piece. What a joke, lol.

I woke up this morning wondering how 4 gt 710s would run in quad sli. Thanks for answering this burning question. Great vid!!

Actually, I can see bandwidth limitations from the bus starting to kick in at 3-way SLI. Remember the cards have to communicate among each other across the bus, and their VRAM is not unified, so stuff has to get uploaded to more cards. On AM4 some lanes also go through the chipset instead of being directly connected to the CPU.

4-way SLI with a GT 710. What a great Christmas gift.

More like: "if duct tape doesnt work, put more"

Now THIS is what I call a Christmas miracle. Making the GT 710 usable for games

Dude I only found your channel tonight... Been going through your vids... This is deadset awesome content man! Keep em coming (aware this is 7 months old)

3:46 Holy crap are they using a GT 710 as well?

I got a gt 610 (which is basically the same) for $1 at a thrift shop. I use it for testing motherboards that don't have integrated graphics since it's super easy to plug in for testing. I never thought about using more than one of them at once. Lol. Awesome video.

Imagine getting a Victory Royale with those four GT 710s.

When I was a kid I struggled even getting a dedicated gpu, I was on integrated for everything so I would have loved this lol

Merry Christmas!!! i remember I used to play games on my laptop at 14 or 15 fps and I thought it was the greatest laptop ever. I still think 30 fps is playable for single player but only if it really is at 30 fps and doesn't have frequent drops to 10,11,12 fps. I have spoiled myself by building a high end desktop so I don't think I could go back to getting 30 fps. But I feel as long as you get a constant 40 fps then that is a good gaming experience.

Amazon throwing them little gt710's like ninja stars. :D

If anything much uses Physx, would 3x SLI and the 4th dedicated to Physx be an option - except CPU PhysX is probably faster than GT710 anyway

GTX 710 on Amazon: about 40-50$ 4x GTX 710 on Amazon: about 160-200 $ GTX 1650 Super on Amazon: 160$ GTX 1660 on Amazon: 210$ Why should you buy 4 times a 710 when it has the price of a 1650s or 1660? Edit: Oh and a SLI Bridge also costs money so you can get an even better graphics card for the price

3:50 fortnite has bots now

"you can sli most nvidia gpus" me: * looks to my 2 gt 8400 card *

Not horrible for windows 10 Minecraft:)

Dawid is a great dude with a good channel, glad to hear youtubers watch him as well since he always recommends other people

The title got me hook line and sinker.

Man, that is the kind of content i have subscribed for (as some other low - mid end hw related stuff). The weird experiments, that are just interesting and fun to watch. To be honest, i consinder 30 fps as playable, when it is a singleplayer game/campaign, in multiplayergames like CS:GO/BF/COD it is definetly to slow to consider as playable. Still, awsome work of you, happy holidays ;-)

That was a rather interesting experiment! I was curious to see how 4 cards would work out. I wonder how they would do with 2D games.

Just saw this vid after a long time on the channel. Purchased a 750ti from Aliexpress for usd50 years back from your older video. Was wondering what was missing in this video and checked the channel to see it was the beard.

To my taste, it does depend on the type of 30fps you are playing with. Because of my current computer being no better than a potato i have to run League Of Legends at preety inconsistent FPS and with preety hard dips. However i capped my framerate at 30 all the time and those dips were not that bad. However other games that i have played where my avg is higher and i can not play because of frametime issues. FPS is not a real metric to how games perform,, but frametimes and frame consistency is. Getting consistent 30 fps is better than getting 50fps that constantly jump to 20-15 and back up.

In regards to framerate, it depends heavily upon a few factors: -Frame pacing -Type of game -adaptive sync Poor frame delivery makes the game noticeably stutter and unresponsive. Genres with fast on screen movement like shooters make tracking noticeably more difficult while more stagnant games like puzzle games don't have issues like screen tearing made apparent. Adaptive sync technologies help with the issues listed above but aren't magic bullets, but can do a pretty good job masking the aforementioned issues.

Back in the day (15 years ago) if I could get over 20 FPS in a game I felt it was totally payable. That would be on a CRT at maybe 1280x1024 Today 30 or less is just horrible. I need close to 60 FPS or more at 1080p to have a good time.

30 fps isn't playable in multiplayer games especially when most people against you will have more fps, but in single player games, 30 fps can get you by, it works in consoles.

This thing is not worth 50 bucks NEW Thats how crap it is

Awesome dood. Those little MSI cards are actually pretty cool.

I would be curious to see how 2 or 3x sli would fare with gt 730 and or rx 550. Also I think for any type of fast paced game 60+ fps is nearly required, but on casual games like rts's 30 is playable. I play total war attilla on my vega 8 laptop and its perfectly playable at 30-45fps however I tried pubg and it was a nightmare.

Maybe I should have gone the 4 x GT 710 route instead of my RTX 3080. Hmm.. I'll think about this and get back to you...

Expectation: 4 graphic cards looks awesome... Reality: fail

I had a GT710 in my HTPC before I bought a 2060 so I can game on my living room TV. Given its popularity I will definitely be throwing it up for sale on eBay.

"GT 710 quad-SLI" WUT

I'd bet your Patreon supporters were quite cross with you when you announced you'd bought not one, but FOUR of those stinkers 😅😝 Quite enjoyed this experiment, nice one.

You can usually find a GT 730 for the same price as the 710...

Hey there bro just wanted to say I love your videos!

This is one big bruh moment.

I have a GT 610 in my tool kit as a diagnostic card, I recommend keeping one of these cheaper cards if you ever run into suspected hardware issues. Also great stopgap option if you don't have a spare card laying around.

If you're considering this path, try an old 590. It's 5x faster than a 710 without SLI and nearly 10x faster with SLI. Just make sure you have plenty of 12V power for it and don't try overclocking without water cooling. It burns up to 365 watts and wasn't known for having much headroom.

Okay now do 4 GeForce 210's in SLI.

Merry Christmas bro! great video, p.s. ballin sweater :P

3 gt 1030 = 3090...?

Never watched you before know but seeing you reference Dawid you just got yourself a sub my friend

Forget games just connect 5-9 monitors just to watch alot of anime lol

I was searching for something like this exactly, thanks so much!

3:50 me in csgo

Interesting to see what worked and what didn't. Thanks for trying this! Well done sir.

Proud to see a brother ditch the drugs and doing something productive. One love.

Yo! Glad to see Smite make the video. That's my current favorite game. Cool video, happy holidays 😎

I need my 240Hz in Solitair

I really liked your channel, as soon as I heard Jonathan Ogden in the background I loved it. New sub bro! Blessings.

For me 30 FPS feels like I've never played games in my life. It makes it HELL. The reason behind this is that moving from at least 60 FPS makes me spot the huge decrease in perfomance (I am currently using a gaming PC and a PS4 for some games). When I get on the PS4, the whole experience gets much lower, I feel like I can't properly move around, it literally scratches my eyeball. 60 FPS is the minimal for me, while everything that gets above 75 is great (using a compatible screen, ofc). I switched from 60 to 144 then back to 75. 60hz feels awful now too, but still okay. Never going under 75hz though. CheerS!

Does the (year 2020) Asus (pci-e 1x) version (with its 4 hdmi ports) work in "nview" (or equivalent software) with 2 or even 3 cards so as to have many monitors (for spreadsheets etc)?

30fps playability depends on the game

thank you man for test :) best regards

Fyi fortnite has bots now. That person was most likely a bot.

Hey OzTalksHW, loved the video, i was wondering how the Ryzen 5 3400g APU would stack up against a dedicated graphic card, but i can't seem to find a video where any one is testing that aspect. so could you maybe try running a R5 3400g vs a GeForce 1030 or what ever GPU you think would most closely mirror the R5 3400g's performance as a graphic card.

Love the sweater 🎄 🐱 ❄️ 🐱 🎄

30 fps in competative games are not playable if the reason you play those games are for competative reasons. From my experience in Overwatch on my school laptop that pushes 30 fps with 45% automatic renderscale going to 150+ fps and using 140hz on your display you will not believe how big of a difference it really is. I played in bronze before and when I played on this gaming laptop I went from bronze to gold in all roles and won 24 games in a row as dps playing Soldier. I did return the laptop for reasons and buildt a computer that pushes 240+ fps and using a 240hz display and have used the setup now since late 2019. Some people believe that you can improve your aim by just playing a game for much time but the truth is that if you don't have the setup needed, this is not possible. You can't see how bad your aim is if you only have 30 fps because you don't have enough frames to evaluate all the shots you are missing. When first using the gaming laptop I wondered why I miss all the shots but then realized that my accuracy was the same as before but the difference is that I now can see how bad my aim really is. I highly reccomend if you have can to uppgrade your setup if you care about getting better at competative games. On the gaming laptop after just some hours of playing My aim went from 26-34% accuracy on Soldier in bronze to 55%-65% in bronze. In gold it is 39-46 I think. However aim isn't everything, gamesense are equally as important if not even more. I have played with plat dps that say that they have 30 fps so with good gamesense you can come a long way. The one I remember now played Torb in the match.

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Whoa, this brought back memories working on that $hitload of offsets Guess I'll have to find some time to revisit my code and do a ver 1.8.1 :) I noticed that you are using older drivers, while the last known working version of DSLIA should work with 388.71, which had better pcie bandwidth balancing It is really important since SLI frames share across GPUs within the pcie bandwidth without the SLI bridge installed

Nice to see that 10 years ago we had the same issues and being one of those who planned a big rig for multigpu I'm left with a monolith of a PC (yes it's dead cold inside).

LOVE your color grade!

as somebody who used to play destiny 1 for roughly 3 years straight in my early days.. i'd say yes because at times, there could be some latency issues involved. fast paced games tend to suffer a lot especially, including cod cold war where below 40 fps = stuttering fire on semi auto weapons > meaning latency issues are up the butt. in a nutshell; its harder to track enemies and to use fast semi auto weapons due to the fact lower FPS seems to really kick people in the balls, but i dunno what that is like for other games.

One year later and this video just got really relevant.

30 FPS is fine for the most part, but when I'm playing a game with a lot of movement, I start to get a headache (like looking around the forest in Kingdom Come Deliverance)

4-way SLI is very PCIe bandwidth dependent, even more so when you're not using SLI bridges as the cards need to syncronise over the PCIe bus. Having one (or more) cards hanging off the chipset will cause problems. To give 4-way SLI a real chance you'd want an old X79 or X99 system with 4 x x8 3.0 slots from the CPU and the CPU overclocked as high as possible, or alternatively a much more recent platform like X299 or Threadripper - which have even more PCIe lanes to dedicate to slots. Still a funny video to watch and makes me consider trying it myself with some of my spare motherboards...

First question and this one is for you to answer. Why do you have a MSI card for the close-ups, butrunning a Gigabyte for testing? Would I try this myself? Probably, just to see what I can get out of the old hardware taking up space in my basement. Thinking VR rig if I can make it work. Nah, just a test and disassemble for kicks. Is 30fps playable? Yes and no. Yes because I have played games, and still do, at this frame rate.The latest update of Star Citizen can't seem to break 50fps on my 1660Ti and in a busy areas it runs around 30. It is playable. No because CS:GO, Warframe and other "twitch shooters" need really high fps to make the game work.

30fps with smooth performance is completely fine but if you're playing at 30fps with bad fps consistency it does make games unplayable in some instances. That's why its sometimes better to cap your fps to 30 even if you are getting 60fps because in my opinion smooth 30fps is better than stuttering 60fps

Great video. I think what constitutes a good minimum frame rate depends on what you are playing.

Yeah, when 1 GT 1030 costs less than 2 GT 710s, it makes absolutely no sense. I have a GT 1030 in one of my systems and I often feel bottlenecked by my i3 2130. That's how good it is.

pure oztalk vid. love it!

@OzTalksHW the GT 710 may be weak however I added one to my HP PC running an AMD A6 with 8 GB ram and Windows 10 for the purpose of playing retro games and it works flawlessly. I never bought the machine for this purpose but the graphics card gave it new life and now I enjoy playing games on PC. I play the more modern games on my home consoles. To me for the less than $50 I paid for it it was worth every penny. I bought the Asus version with the 2GB DDR5 ram by the way.

Bandwithwise that card only needs a 1x slot. There is a version that has only a 1x connector, which is useful for a AMD based mini server build, based on consumer components, where you may only have a 1x slot free, after installing all the 10GBE and HBA cards needed.

When I was looking at setting up SLI earlier this year, I saw on my motherboard's manual that the first two PCIe slots would be configured differently, depending on whether one slot or both slots had a card in them, ultimately changing their data transfer speeds. This could be the case with what happened to you with using 4 cards

I’m gonna try this in my dual Xeon machine with two Quadro P2000’s to see if it will work. I would have liked to see some productivity benchmarks. Subbed.

that at 4:00 i was spiting the water out djde that was kinda hilarioud "he must have 4 way SLI too" hahah xd

I'm playing TW Rome 2, 9fps on the lowest settings. It's kind of slow but if I had to guess many how fps I was playing without knowing, I would have guess it was at least 30 fps.

I think the 4th GPU ran worse because you were using an AM4 platform. Your X470 board likely only has 2 slots that feed from the CPU's PCIe 3.0. The other 2 slots are feeding from PCIe 2.0 _on the chipset._ That will throw off the latency because it's an additional layer that data has to sync with, which is terrible when it comes to mGPU setups. I'm actually a bit surprised the 3rd GPU ran as well as it did. I'm sure if you tried this experiment on a mobo where all PCIe slots feed from the same source, you'd get better results, even if all the slots were PCIe 2.0.

is there any free 3dmark alternatives that actually show the render if you know what i mean

Oooooooo, cool video idea. Honestly, it'd be great if SLI reached a point where the computer would read both GPU's* as one singular GPU entity (say, a GTX 960 with an RTX 1660 Super) so that all of the stronger GPU's resources are used up first and then the weaker one could be used as a booster. OR it could be a more powerful, robust, and configurable SLI system where you could legit designate the weaker GPU to do all of the extra little effects** that add up and then leave the stronger GPU to do shadows and intense lighting; basically, divide up the work load so ya don't have to turn down graphical settings to get decent frame rates. Either of these systems would be freaking magical to me, who is stuck on an old but beloved GTX 960 that gets the job done but leaves much graphical fidelity to be desired. Especially since games have been getting more and more gorgeous over time and my unga bunga monkey brain goes "oooo00000oooo me want, ooh ooh, me want sHiNeY SCREENNN!" without fail. *(no matter what kind of GPU's, as long as they're both Nvidia or both AMD so the framework is easier to build upon I suppose) **(soft particles, bloom, normal maps, specular maps, ambient occlusion, etc)

Could you please tell me what motherboard has a PCI-E 3.0 X2 slot?

i wanted some suggestions as i wanna build a pc for myself but want to keep it under $1340( i have converted from inr). i think you are the right person to suggest the components of the build.

In my country we only have gt 710, 730 and 1030 right now. And old gaming GPUs that people are selling right now are booming with prices.

Wow. I'd worked in marketing for an Nvidia board partner for years when these doofy little GPUs came out, and I had no idea you could do this. I'd have totally played around with it if I knew. So I can't help but wonder, what would happen if you tried to do this with the GT 520 (literally the same GPU), but on PCI instead of PCIe? It would obviously be insanely bad, but I wonder if it could actually run?

want to piss off a nerd at christmas? don't give him socks, give him a gt 710.

I wonder how much of an improvement there's between this GT710 triple SLI and the GT 1010. And a dual or triple SLI 1030 can outperform a GTX 1050?

i fell like another issue you were having was PCIe lanes, correct me if i'm wrong but i think those cares are 3.0x4, and without an SLI bridge all of that data has to go over the PCIe, and the more cards you have, the more they all have to talk to each other, if they were 8x, or 4.8 cards this might not have been an issue

30 fps is more than playable, we did it for years since the PS1 era. The problem is frame times and the fact that many modem games are designed to be played at 60+ fps, at least on PC.

Did you use nvidia profile inspector? This makes a big difference in SLI. I tested this with 2 gtx 770 with the bad parted game gta 4. With out NPI sli actually made the game a lot slower. Once I set up NPI I got a reasonable FPS boost and I could see that both Gpus were being used. I would think NPI would fix any issue with quad SLI. Please test it agian.

I like ur vids... it targets budget gaming when pc gaming has been known notoriously being expensive... thanks to the price spike in GPU cards which Intimidate My Console using Friends

This helped so much! Thank you

4 of those cost 200 euros in germany. You can get a 570 for 150 euros and its like 1400 percent of that card.....