One, Holy, BAPTIST, and Apostolic Church?? 

It never sat right with me as a Presbyterian that we affirmed all the early creeds but made no attempt to reconsile with the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. And that became much more glaring after reading Ireneaus' perspective on apostolic succession. Protestants are forced to admit they agree with the creeds in text only; the intended meaning is so clearly at odds with Protestant theology

Sooooo interesting as a Baptist to Catholic. It’s wild to see what’s going on. My parent’s Baptist church is now celebrating Ash Wednesday and Lent and Advent. Would have been unimaginable to me growing up. Good for them, and good or the SBC for leading to affirm the creed. Very important.

Joe, I've only watched the first few minutes so far but I was eager to click when I saw the notification of your video with this title. I'm not even 10 minutes in and you're talking about so many things I saw as a reformed Baptist before coming home to the Catholic Church. We, as reformed Baptists (at least at my particular church) would confess the Apostles or Nicene creed every Sunday as part of the service. Our pastor and elders changed the words of the Nicene creed to "one, holy, CHRISTIAN, and apostolic church" and "we confess one baptism SIGNIFYING the forgiveness of sins". Once I started to dive into Catholicism more in more, I realized how crazy this was and out of line with the historic church. Definitely pushed me closer to the Catholic Church (and I praise God that it did). Feels good to be home and to know that I can with a clear conscious and full sincerity confess the original creed.

The Creed joke was killer.

The happiest day for me was leaving the SBC sect and joined the Catholic Church in 2014. Since then, I experienced a firehose of graces instead of the cocktail straw that I was used to.

Love how the video implicitly highlights the inherent division in Protestantism and shows the way forward to unity, not just among Christians today but also with our fathers in the faith.

Baptists upholding the Nicene Creed but reinterpreting sections to fit their theology in opposition to the original authors of the creed is fundamentally contradictory to the purpose of a Creed! It's dishonest at its core

They’d better be careful introducing the Nicene Creed into their services, they don’t know who will take it to heart. When I was sixteen my parents’ Methodist church started reciting it, and I was thrown for a loop to learn that they were supposed to believe in one holy, catholic and apostolic Church. Four years later I was Catholic

Deprecating the idea of making a "the band, Creed" joke while still making a "the band, Creed" joke is classically good comic delivery. Well played sir! Having a light heart is helpful in being charitable to our separated brethren in consideration of such matters, further enabling us to accept one another in The Love of Christ, "With Arms Wide Open"...

New Catholic here. I stopped paying attention to Protestants It’s just easier.

10/10 video! This whole argument has been on my mind for a while. Every time I i see a church with baptist theology have the creeds on their website (to seem more orthodox/traditional) I get frustrated, knowing the dishonest reinterpretations that are taking place

I think I have an algorithm for how Gavin Ortlund would refute this video: 1. Step One, define the Solas so loosely that Catholics would pretty much accept them, 2. Step Two, mine the Fathers for stuff that's vaguely in line with these Soft Solas, 3. Step Three, conclude from this that those Fathers were Proto-Protestants in the Hard sense that they'd totally break from the Church if they felt it wasn't holding up the Soft Solas exactly how they'd want it, 4. Step Four, assume a continuous spiritual link between historic Protestantism and the Baptist religion (ie, assume that not only would Calvin, Luther, et al permit them to live, but also warmly welcome them as brothers in Christ), 5. Step five, adopt the sacramental and ecclesiology of the 16th Century reformers, and assert it's part of the "historic Baptist faith". 6. Step Six, conclude that Our Lord's Church is indeed One, Holy, Baptist, and Apostolic. And once you do this, interpreting the Creeds in line with your "ancient Baptist religion" is relative child's play

Giving you double thumbs up, with my arms wide open

When I was a Reformed Baptist, and after that Presbyterian, and after that, Lutheran, the Nicene Creed always became a huge issue in moving me away from their false positions, which one would have to engage in cognitive dissonance to recite them in good faith. As a Catholic, I never have to engage in such dissonance.

I sent this to a protestant friend, and today he said he's considering conversion

Grew up southern baptist and pretty far down a high church/apostolic church and sacramental rabbit hole at this point. Not even finished watching all of this but it might be the straw that finally broke the camels back

I hope this doesn't come off as snarky, but it seems weird for them to essentially say "We've just now realized (~1700 years later) this profession of faith from the early church should define our beliefs". Especially with the assertion that's sometimes made about being the early church/ church read about in Acts. I'm not versed on the history of the SBC though.

"IT'S JOHN THE BAPTIST, NOT JOHN THE CATHOLIC" 😂😂

Lolllll the Creed and Nicene jokes! My whole middle school era is defined by With Arms Wide Open 😅🤣

If you wrote the Creed Arms Wide Open joke, well sir, you’re even MORE brilliant than was already known. FANTASTIC

Excellent as always. Great historical evidence.

There is a certain "charm" to the Baptist faith. In their separation from "the world" they've managed to construct a little piece of Heaven on Earth; a safe and simple little universe with clean, clear-cut answers. Not wanting reality to get in the way of a good dream, they cement the walls of their bubble through institutions like the Creation Museum. And if they can Interpret "historical science" as supporting Young Earth Creationism, it's really not that difficult to interpret historical creeds and figures (whether the Nicene Creed or the US Constitution, the Church Fathers or the Founding Fathers) as fully Baptist

When I was growing up in the Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod, the Nicene Creed in our hymnal read "one holy CHRISTIAN Apostolic church" though, confusingly, the Apostles' Creed had "One holy CATHOLIC Apostolic." When I asked about the change in the Nicene Creed, I was told that the wording was "in common usage during the 16th century." Wonder who changed it ...

"It's kinda *nice seein'* this kind of debate...." Well done, sir!

Loving the new graphics setup, Joe!

This topic always make me want to pull my hair out. Maybe that's why I'm bald...

Thank you Joe for yet another great work 📌

I am so glad to see this -- it is a way for me to enter into conversation with my Baptist nephew!

Joe, can you revisit Mormonism again to do a detailed compare/contrast of LDS vs Christian belief about the Holy Spirit?

That title made me chuckle.

Protestantism is relativism and now revisionism

46:20 & 46:53 Thank you for these. These are the best intellectual argument for infant baptism for my own understanding of my Catholic faith. I was wondering why I was drawn to this episode even though the topic (as per title) did not interest me. Can't argue with the work of the Holy Spirit.. 🙂

Joe, you absalute mad lad!!

I really see Baptist and non-denominational faith as “be your own god and read into the Bible what you want, justify sin etc” How different is that from Mormon's?

If Protestants (Baptist in this case) believe in sola Scriptura, then it doesn’t make sense to recite/believe in a creed formed outside of the Bible. And if they do accept the nicene creed from the Council of Nicaea, then why not accept the teachings of the other ecumenical councils?

Loved this! ❤️💙

I couldn't help but laugh when I read the title of the video.

Good work. Many thanks for that.

They are okay with small "c" Catholic as is shown in the Nicene Creed in the current missals.

I'm starting RCIA soon!

The comment about Baptism not being a good work because no one is impressed by your baptism should be a short clip.

The Church does not say that those who have never heard of Christ go to heaven. The Church acknowledges that while it is POSSIBLE, it is not probable. The Church does not even say that unbaptized children will go to heaven. The most that the Church says is that as far as the Church understands, those that are not Baptized do not go to heaven, but it is hoped that God has some merciful way to bring them to heaven other than what He has made known to the Church.

If any Protestant is saved, it is in spite of his beliefs, not because of them. Protestantism is satanic and draws people away from the true Christ and his church. May God bless his One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church.

I am hoping to have a video explaining this soon from a baptist perspective

Maybe it’s Gods way of uniting Christians before his coming. Praise God! As a Catholic, can’t wait to be together again as one big family under the one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church.

I think people are wanting history and so to not lose people in the pews to older traditions they are going down this road

Please provide the time-codes for the videos.

Joe, thanks for your clarifying content. As an Orthodox practitioner of our Christian faith, I agree on virtually everything with Catholics except for the Papacy. I mean, the “Pontifex Maximus” who is the first without equals rather than the first with equals? The embroidering on the Pontiff’s hat states “Vicarius Filii Dei” which means “Representative of the Son of God”-a man standing in God’s place on earth. Beloved, there is no replacement for Jesus Christ in heaven or on earth. Exalting a Pope is a humanly solution to matters that should be resolved by faith in our heavenly High Priest.

I've long held that LDS can accept more of the statements in the Nicene creed than Protestants.

@shamelesspopery One thing that you glossed over and other catholics do as well, is all the other verses that do talk about salvation without baptism. As a Protestant who is open to learning, I really struggle with the concept that it is necessary for salvation, when so many verses say otherwise. I wish Catholics would slow waay down and handle each passage in a thoughtful and thorough manner. I know Catholics will normally just say that baptism is the ordinary way of salvation, but it is possible to be saved without it, (baptism of desire) as if it is the exception. Yet, it appears that the baptism verses are the exception compared to all the ones that declare that it is by faith in Christ that we are saved. It would be great to have you do a video on this if you could!

As a former Baptist, I grew up with the creeds in the back of the hymnal, and we said them occasionally. I asked my mom how we could honestly say the phrase “ one baptism for the forgiveness of sins” since we didn’t believe that. She said it must be the baptism of the Holy Spirit in the sense that Jesus said, “John baptized with water, but I will baptize you with The Holy Spirit.” That makes sense since God forgives the sins in baptism. The water doesn’t forgive sins.

Interesting title, love it ❤

A dear Protestant friend actually admitted the Creed changed meaning from the council, but basically said that was okay because the text was identical. That level of cognitive dissonance is jaw-dropping.

I'm Lutheran. We confess the Creed every Sunday. We interpret it the way it was written. Baptist have a big challenge ahead of them.

"A little below the summit of Olivet, whence He later ascended, was a cave in the dry limestone rock, it'd mouth then hidden by bushes, where watchmen guarding flocks and watching gardens reyired in storms snd slept at night. The cave extended 40 feet north and south andvwas about 15 feet wide. In it were four tables, seats, beds etc. There the Lord, with His apostles spent the three nights beforr His Death. There, He taught His apostles the Lord's Prayer. L There, before they separated sfter the Ascension, they composed the 15:06 15:06 Apostles' Creed. "How Christ Said The First Mass" by Father James L. Meagher, D.D. 1906 p.319

Hey Joe, I have a question about the resurrection of the body. Why can we spread first class relics of saints around if we can't spread ashes? I don't have a particular problem with it but it does seem a little contradictory. I'm not sure if it is a "I desire mercy not sacrifice" kind of teaching but it has always confused me. Thank you for all you do?

Was Cyprian implying that the Government of the Clergy by the Clergy and for the Clergy was the only suited government to replace the dying Roman Curia(Roman Empire) as a whole? Paul was a forward looking Apostle appointing Bishops to replace the Roman Senate, and the deacons for the 4th branch of the Roman Government in the Temple. The old thing was passing away and the New was coming !

Do you mean to tell me that John the Baptist is not the founder of the Baptist Church!!

Excellent!

I am currently considering converting from Reformed Presbyterian to the Roman Catholic church. An elder at my church wanted me to read “Roman Catholicism” by Loraine Boettner. Would you be able to do a response to the book?

The Church Are we not fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God? Isn’t the household of God built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone? Are we not smaller stones, like peter, in whom the whole structure, being joined together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord??? Are we not being built together into a dwelling place for God by the Spirit???

There was a confetence a few years ago whose theme was that Baptists needed to be creedal to be confessional, if I remember the word correctly17:12

Very well done

The Tradition of the Elders (Mark 7:1-13) 1Then some Pharisees and scribes came to Jesus from Jerusalem and asked, 2“Why do Your disciples break the tradition of the elders? They do not wash their hands before they eat.” 3Jesus replied, “And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition? 4For God said, ‘Honor your father and mother’a and ‘Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.’b 5But you say that if anyone says to his father or mother, ‘Whatever you would have received from me is a gift devoted to God,’ 6he need not honor his father or mother with it.c Thus you nullify the word of God for the sake of your tradition. 7You hypocrites! Isaiah prophesied correctly about you: 8‘These people honor Me with their lips, but their hearts are far from Me. 9They worship Me in vain; they teach as doctrine the precepts of men.’d” What Defiles a Man

You literally said that it would be up 3yrs before people would be baptized when talking about the martyrs.

I think "synecdochical" is a better synonym for Catholic than "universal".

I think the creed in my former Baptist hymnal said Christian with footnotes that Catholic means universal. I prefer that because they were called Christians in Acts. I follow Christ and I knew Catholics growing up who stated they weren’t Christian but Catholic. So sad. My cousin had an exchange student from Vietnam who argued that Christians were only Protestants. And my Catholic/Christian cousin could not convince her that. Catholics are Christians.

You should debate Steve Christi on this Creed debate, brother. Like you, he agrees Joseph was a virgin when he married Mary. But then Steve would disagree with you about Joseph’s & Mary’s virginity AFTER Jesus was born. But no worries: the founder of the Baptists - John Smythe - would agree that Mary and Joseph remained virgins, as do Wesley, Zwingli, Calvin, and Luther, the founding fathers of the Protestant Revolt. Btw, if interested, we had a 3-way debate on Joseph’s virginity recently on Standing For Truth, Josephology, and East2WestTheology channels. Enjoy! Thanks! Good stuff! Can’t wait to see you debate Steve Christi on this, or on Joseph & Mary’s virginity, or especially on Peter the first Pope! Or most especially on “Is Contraception Still Evil?”

Cathoic, small 'c' just means universail not the Roman Catholic Church. and the apostles were not Roman Catholics. Baptists believe in the priesthood of the believer and there are other lines in the Nicene Creed Baptist would never accept. However the SBC has been leaning liberal these past years so I don't know exactly what thet are up to. I'm not a member. I belong to an independent, fundamentalist Baptist church. True Baptists will never bow down to Rome, The Vatican or the pope.

I would accept that reference with Arms Wide Open...........................as My Sacrifice.

Do you have to believe in the Athanasian Creed to be a Christian ??

Trivia: St. Evodius of Antioch is the one invented word Christian while St. Ignatius invented the word Catholic

Speaking of Baptist, why do catholics remove Acts 8:37 from the Bible?

Didn’t all the adults who repented and believe and get baptized have believers baptism? Paul wasn’t an unbeliever when he got baptized.

In the Polish language, our Catholic Creed, says "I believe in one Holy Universal Church"... We don't say "catholic", we say "universal" in the Catholic Church in Poland

whats with jesus luzardo?

help me

Protestant response. It has been incorrectly stated here that Baptists believe only in an invisible church and that they have no concept of Christ having a visible church here on earth. That is false. Please read this excerpt from the Baptist theological formulary published in London, England in 1689. “The catholic church consists of the whole number of the elect, that have been, are, or shall be gathered into one, under Christ, the head thereof; and is the spouse, the body, the fulness of him that fills all in all. The Lord Jesus Christ is the Head of the church, in whom, by the appointment of the Father, all power for the calling, institution, order or government of the church, is invested in a supreme and sovereign manner. In the execution of this power wherewith he is so intrusted, the Lord Jesus calls out of the world unto himself, through the ministry of his word, by his Spirit, those that are given unto him by his Father, that they may walk before him in all the ways of obedience, which he prescribes to them in his word. Those thus called, he commands to walk together in particular or local churches, for their mutual edification, and the due performance of that public worship, which he requires of them in the world. The members of these local churches are saints by calling, visibly manifesting and evidencing (in and by their profession and walking) their obedience unto that call of Christ; and do willingly consent to walk together, according to the appointment of Christ; giving up themselves to the Lord, and one to another, by the will of God, in professed subjection to the ordinances of the Gospel. To each of these churches therefore gathered, according to his mind declared in his word, he has given all that power and authority, which is in any way needful for their carrying on that order in worship and discipline, which he has instituted for them to observe; with commands and rules for the due and right exerting, and executing of that power. A particular or local church, gathered and completely organized according to the mind of Christ, consists of officers and members; and the officers appointed by Christ to be chosen and set apart by the church (so called and gathered), for the peculiar administration of Word and Sacrament, and execution of power or duty, which he intrusts them with, or calls them to, to be continued to the end of the world, are BISHOPS (or pastors) and deacons. The way appointed by Christ for the calling of any person, fitted and gifted by the Holy Spirit, unto the office of BISHOP or pastor in a church, is, that he be chosen thereunto by the common suffrage of the church itself; and solemnly set apart by fasting and prayer, with imposition of hands of the BISHOPS (also called pastors) of the church and of a deacon that he be chosen by the like suffrage, and set apart by prayer, and the like imposition of hands. The work of BISHOPS (also called pastors) being constantly to attend the service of Christ, in his churches, in the ministry of the Word, Sacrament and Prayer, with watching for their souls, as they that must give an account to Him; it is incumbent on the churches to whom they minister, not only to give them all due respect, but also to communicate to them of all their good things according to their ability, so as they may have a comfortable supply, without being themselves entangled in secular affairs; and may also be capable of exercising hospitality towards others; and this is required by the law of nature, and by the express order of our Lord Jesus, who has ordained that they that preach the Gospel should live of the Gospel. As all believers are bound to join themselves to particular or local churches, when and where they have opportunity so to do; so all that are admitted unto the privileges of a church, are also under the censures and government thereof, according to the rule of Christ. BTW the Baptist tradition doesn’t view itself as THE church. It views itself as a particular tradition WITHIN the Church. It doesn’t claim to be the ONE TRUE CHURCH at the exclusion of all others as is the case with Roman Catholicism.

Amen!

I have read a Lutheran rendition of the Nicene Creed change ,,"catholic " to " christian..now. my issue to this change is it's not a true accurate translation..and not sure what the Lutheran issue is..the word catholic is a small "c"..meaning simply "universal "

"Baptist"? Where does the term "Roman" appear anywhere around the term Catholic?

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All baptists have always agreed with the Nicene Creed. We all affirm one holy universal church.

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The question of "does 'the church' mean, the local congregation or does it mean the kingdom of God?" is conditioned by context. The Apostle Paul referred to "which is at Cenchrea" (Rom. 16:1) and "the churches of Christ salute you" (Rom. 16:16) These are local by context. But the in the global sense, the New Testament has always held that the church was a global entity as well. In other words, you don't have to go outside the New Testament in order to support this teaching. I don't know where that need comes from. "We need support from outside the bible to validate our theology." What drives that need? Honestly, it's perverse. I can't figure it out.

It's time tht U reply to my question on why the RCC is not HOLY n APOSTOLIC. If U are brave to make videos U must also be brave to reply

You say a lot of things without qualification or reference. You want me to take your Word and you use trendy language, like you have some type of secret I don’t know. I can’t figure out why you would turn your back on the body and blood of Jesus Christ and reject 2k years of tradition. If you were damaged in some way, come back home and be healed.

I believe the Catholic Church is the one true Church, but it does bother me, they changed the original simple demonstration of faith, that was sufficient for Jesus Christ, to a more complicated process. Was the new oath for Jesus Christ, or an oath to the Pope?

But what does the word of god (KJV 1611) say? God gave us the freedom of choice. My Catholic parents baptized me when I was a baby, but I didn't have a choice and didn't understand that Jesus died for our sins. That means I was not saved and needed to be baptized a 2nd time (correctly). Hearing and understanding the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ of Nazareth is the situation that god presents to us. Next is choosing whether to believe and follow Christ (spiritual baptism) or to be abandoned by god in hopes that you come back home. After getting spiritually baptized (faith), you can go further and get baptized by water (works) as an addition. For years, I lacked understanding to why I didn't feel the holy spirit when I was growing up in the catholic church. I now know its because I was never given a choice and they didnt truly teach me and help me understand what Jesus Christ did on the cross.

The Church is the successor of the Apostles. That includes Baptists.

You use a creed that according to orthodox split the church, the Filioque . Why do you worry about the word Catholic Church . When the Filioque is a much larger issue for the church? I thought the main item of the creed was to explain the trinity and stop Arius teaching. Along with some canons. Not the word Catholic. Yet the Catholic church changed the way the trinity was explained from the Nicaea creed causing the Filioque. Interesting you choose a creed that helps split the church. Yet worry about the word Catholic Church.

TL;DR: Conservative evangelical is an oxymoron

Joe is full of his own opinions. The problem is, that Joe's opinions are not God's opinions.

In point of fact, infant baptism is done for the saving of the soul of the infant. This is LONG established Catholic doctrine. It's false doctrine but it's Catholic doctrine nevertheless. The FORM of baptism is discussed in detail in the scriptures - mostly (but not limited to) Romans 6. Romans 6 tells us why baptism is an immersion under water. It is a burial with Christ. So, anything that is not a burial (immersion) is not Christian baptism regardless of how scare water is or how dead and dying the person to be baptized is. The New Testament doesn't get into those issues, therefore, we don't get into those issues. (We speak where the bible speaks and where the bible is silent, we are silent.) Furthermore, a person who is unaware of what's happening to him is not experiencing Christian baptism. He may be experiencing Catholic baptism but not Christian baptism - there's a BIG difference. Mark 16:16 - He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved. He that believeth not shall be damned. You must be a "believer" in order to experience Christian baptism - i.e. in order to "accept Christ" (if you want to use extra-scriptural terms). Notice that you DO NOT have to be a "believer" in order to experience Catholic baptism (as witness infants and the Jewish "converts" of the Middle Ages, forced to become Catholics or else lose everything up to and including their very lives). Christian baptism requires belief on the part of the baptizee. Catholics do not believe in Christian baptism, which is one of the evidences used to show that Catholicism is not the church of Christ. In fact, most Catholics (over 90%, I'd say) aren't even saved, as salvation REQUIRES that a person be baptized into Christ according to the scriptures. Catholics, by and large, have never experienced that.

Baptism is exactly the sane for Baptist. No child Baptism. You have to decide yourself.

The Orthodox Christian Church says the Nicene creed, the church of rome says the apostles creed.

As a Baptist I don't see anything in the Nicene Creed that is at odds with what Baptists already affirm. The creed cites little "c" catholic, or universal church, which we fully agree with.

Are you catholic or not, don't be sectarian or tribal. All true Christians are catholic not just the Latin churches or Orthodox.

The Nicene Creed fails to acknowledge that Christ died for our sins.. Subtle deception the lost never notice.

Yet you are completely side stepping the point that the "catholic and ap[ostolic church" was not the original church. Peter was not the first bishop of the church. James was the first bishop of the church in Jerusalem, which was the head of the church. The idea of a "catholic and apostolic church" did not come until after the apostles had died and the "Christians" completely ignored the teachings of Yeshua, his disciples and the 12 apostles of keeping the Torah, the Sabbath, and the other days appointed by God in the scriptures. When the Council of Nicea was held, they did not invite the Bishop of Jerusalem or anyone still maintaining to those teachings to the council because they would have never agreed to those changes to the faith.