It is good that the president Carter is able to hear this. It should give him peace and recognition he deserves for his efforts. May god bless him and his family.
I was just saying those very words to my hubby here. Even though that good man, President Carter, doesn't have a vindictive bone in his body and I'm not even sure that thought would even occur to him. But I'll be proud enough of him for the both of us, if that's the case. And glad to see what we've already known about Ronald freaking Reagan coming out for those who didn't know it.
The last Republican president elected legitimately was Dwight Eisenhower. Nixon sabotaged the Paris Peace talks before the 1968 election, Reagan's advisors, Casey and others, did this to delay hostages release. Bush then pardoned everyone. Bush 2 used Jeb Bush to suppress thousands of voters in Florida in 2000, plus intimidation of vote counters in Dade county.
this has been known for 30 years. reagan cheated to win the white house. he told the iranians to keep the hostages and used stolen notes from the carter campaign in the ONLY debate reagan agreed to with carter. do you really think americans are so stupid as to vote for yet another GOP criminal a mere 6 years after nixon? reagan was a crook and he destroyed our economy which we're still suffering from today!
Always knew that there was more to the story, but still really heartbreaking to hear this now. Dispite the fact that he wasn't perfect, Jimmy Carter was a great president and a truly decent human being. And such a far cry from, and so far above, anyone that the Republican party has given us in more than 150 years.
Carter's mandate for fuel efficiency in the auto industry finally saw benefits in the 90's... until Gingrich and company got rid of it. Unbelievable how far the GOP keeps setting us back.
@@bengaltiger96 You're right, my bad, I "mathed" it wrong. But on the other hand it wasn't the Republican party of today that gave us Lincoln. So even if I got my math right, the Lincoln party affiliation is not exactly straightforward.
Much of this was explained in1989 by Barbara Honegger in her book OCTOBER SURPRISE. Her book was suppressed. The orginial publisher was sold to a Republican operative and the book was recalled -- as an employee of B. Dalton I was told to rip the hardcovers off the book, count the inventory and toss the books into the dumpster. I later found out that Honegger did not even know that her book had been suppressed.
I feel like I had heard this before. I was born in '71, so Carter is the first president I remember. And I remember being a teenager and hearing about shady dealings that cost him re-election at the hands of George HW Bush.
Nixon got elected, in part, by secretly torpedoing Paris talks between US and North Vietnam in 1968. His campaign officials reached out to South Vietnamese officials via their embassy, and claimed that Nixon will "get South Vietnam a better deal". That caused South Vietnam to pull out of peace talks... Reagan saw that this worked and there were no repreccusions.
LBJ confronted Nixon about this matter. The Christian Science Monitor had reported on this story, and unknown to Nixon, LBJ had intelligence reports that suggested the report was true. Nixon, of course, denied everything - leaving LBJ with a difficult decision about a week from the election. The intelligence he had was nowhere near conclusive, but did backup the public reporting - should he go public and add credibility to the story and probably throw the election to Humphrey or not? He decided that without proof the Nixon had done this, it would be wrong for him to interfere with the election. One can be pretty sure that neither Nixon nor Reagan, and DEFINITELY not Trump would have the decency and respect for our elections to do that.
@@kurtisengle6256 Nixon Tried to Spoil Johnson's Vietnam Peace Talks in '68, Notes Show Archived March 7, 2017, at the Wayback Machine, The New York Times, Politics Section, Peter Baker, January 2, 2017. See also H.R. Haldeman's Notes from Oct. 22, 1968 Archived February 5, 2017, at the Wayback Machine, The New York Times, December 31, 2016, which reprints four pages of Haldeman's notes.
Death toll was 37,500 US and 3,750,000 Asians in '68 so 22,000 US lives and 2,200,000 Asian lives were spent for a campaign tactic and 4 SCOTUS seats one being Lewis Powell who set out to destroy the middle class and sell congress to K Street. The pro-life party kills more lives than any other party.
Just think how much better this country would have been had we had four more years of Carter, and dementia Ronnie would have been too gaga by 1984. Perhaps the Republican Party might still be an honorable choice.
@@brianarbenz1329 Man… that to me is a hanging offence.., prolonging a war in which your countrymen are dying.. just to improve your odd in the election… super filthy
Decades ago I heard about both Nixon telling Viet Nam: Don’t make peace yet, when I become President, I’ll give you a better deal;and Regan telling Iran: Don’t release the hostages, when I become President, I’ll give you a better deal; it’s seems like the news actors are sounding like they are first hearing this. What is going on?
Some people don't know all of the history, some don't read books or newspapers and don't usually conduct research online. Telling stories like these on the news and other media is important. A history not remembered is easy to repeat.
I vividly remember the time and circumstances. This new information, for some reason is NOT surprising to me. My husband I both voted for Carter, despite the nay sayers. We were convinced there was something fishy s out the timing of the tease of the hostages. What an egregious offense against not just Pres Carter but also the hostages and their families. My question is, can someone be held liable for such an act?
Carter is the best president in my lifetime. It's sad that so many people want to define his legacy by his last year in office. I hope our nation reconsiders his legacy and stops thinking of him as a "less-than-average" president.
@@georgfriedrichhandel4390 The thing that always seems to be forgotten about President Carter is that he repaired the economy, the energy crisis and freed the hostages BEFORE he left office. And President Carter and the VP (Mondale of Minnesota) are partly responsible the 1980 US Olympic Hockey Team's winning. Not reagan... When I watch documentaries about "The Miracle" it's never emphasized that reagan had nothing to do with that team's success, but I have noticed that some people want to attribute the gold medalists to him too. It was Walter Mondale who was in Lake Placid for most if not all of the tournament.
And even if he doesn't, he should still take full responsibility for what his people do. Whenever a sports team has a losing season, the coach gets fired, not the entire team. It's called accountability.
Jimmy Carter has always been one of my heroes and favorite ex-President. Compared with his devotion to America and service to our nation, 45 is little more than the greatest fraud and professional grifter to ever hold the office.
Feels like it was all determined when we bent over and let Bush (son of the criminal/spook behind the October Surprise) steal the 2000 election. To think what we (and innocent civilians all over the world) would have been spared. Whatever- it's long gone now.
Imagine how different the country would have been without Reagan, the president that changed the trajectory of so many things, wealth moving upwards etc etc etc.
Essentially, the destruction of the American middle class. And we wonder why we can't have good things. Can't take good care of our young folks nor our old people. A broken and sick culture moving to decline, yet telling ourselves we're "the greatest country in the world". It won't work.
Not surprised to hear this. I was 13 years old at the time. We held a parade in my home town when a neighbor was released. He worked in the embassy. Carter was a good man. It's interesting to think that Iran's actions likely led to Reagan's election (and all that followed).
Reagan had both Nixon's top aides working with him _and_ a ton of Republican resentment for Nixon's resignation. Considering what he did to organized labor as a former union boss himself, I wouldn't put this past him.
Haig was one of the murkiest of the murky - he was Kissinger's deputy not back in 68 but certainly during Nixon's administration - and he had all of Kissingers mercurial instincts. I do not know the other aid of Nixon's you are referring to but Haig would have been front and center in this .
i'm so glad this came out (in a documented way since everybody knew it was a fix) while Uncle Jimmy is still alive! God bless Jimmy Carter and may his work bear fruit!
So did I. Republicans and Ronnie supporters always claimed that this was because Iran "was afraid" of Reagan. But you're right. The timing of the release could not have been mere coincidence.
15 minutes after Reagan was sworn in the IRI announced the release of the hostages. In early March 1981 a chartered cargo plane flown by Israelis and loaded with tens of millions worth of US-made warplane spares and ordinance was forced down by the USSR trying to skirt the borders of Turkey and the Soviet Union while sneaking into Iran. Reagan's Secretary of State, General Alexander Haig was asked whether that didn't violate the US and UN embargo on weapons to Iran and Iraq. Haig, in his endearing and coy way answered, " Someone in the Administration must have blinked."
Yeah, one thing that is consistent with ALL republikans, whether they vote for the orange clown or not, is they seem completely oblivious to their own hypocrisy and don't seem to want to acknowledge they are the freaking enablers! They voted for garbage like Reagan, who's filthy policies have had a massive hand in damaging the US, but they'd be okay with giving him a sainthood anyway. The irony and reality is lost on them. I love that the Lincoln Project spends massive amounts of money trolling tRump and his filthy party, and that even though they're rethuglikans, they hate him as much as we do. But that's just the thing: they're still rethuglikans. If the party I aligned myself with did a fraction of the garbage the GQP has done, I could never support their party, nor vote for any of them again. How anyone of good conscious can remain in that party speaks to me, and I don't like what I'm hearing.
It wasn't Reagan, he was a puppet. His soon to be Vice President was the current CIA Director, George H.W. Bush. So to be clear, Carter's own CIA Director was pulling the strings to further his own political career. Bush went on to run things behind the scenes for the next 8 years as VP, and 4 more years as President.
Yes, we might not have known who did it, way back then, but we definitely suspected that it happened. Jimmy Carter is an amazing person, and a great president - in very difficult circumstances.
It's news that a witness has come forward. We "knew", but had no proof before this. We now know, with proof, that GOP operatives kept Americans in captivity longer than needed. We know now that the GOP betrayed their country.
@@buckeyewill2166 basically every republican president since has been worse than watergate - they just learned how to hide it better - and don't record anything - Nixon recorded everything because he wanted to write memoirs after his presidency and wanted the recordings to refer to
I think the injustice, the horrible part of the story, is that no one is mentioning how the hostages had to remain in captivity while politicians played God and Carter was genuinely concerned about those in iran.
Our family loved the Reagans. It wasn't until 90's until I was old enough to understand politics and how bad a man Reagan actually was. Too bad this story wasn't out before.
The world would have been a much, much better place if Carter had been re-elected. Reagan's election was the start of the Republican push to establish an oligarchy in this country.
CASEY WAS IN MADRID: “a cable from the Madrid embassy indicating that Bill Casey was in town, for purposes unknown.” From a memo found in George H.W. Bush Presidential Library. The memo, dated Nov. 4, 1991, was written by President Bush’s deputy counsel, Paul Beach, and it described the State Department’s efforts to collect documents in response to congressional subpoenas for “material potentially relevant to the October Surprise allegations.” Beach then specifically mentions “a cable from the Madrid embassy indicating that Bill Casey was in town, for purposes unknown.” The State Department cable was NOT sent to Congress. And Peter Baker actually knows this fact as it was in the NYT article!
Peter is already sweeping facts of his own story under the rug. That's traditional with this story. Congress spiked their own October Surprise investigation just when confirming information from Soviet, French and other European intelligence agencies arrived. Weeks later Robert Parry found those files in an abandoned ladies' room on the lower level of a Capitol Hill parking lot!
When this story first broke back in late '89, a member of the US negotiating team (I forget his name) stated that in August-September 1980, the US and Iran were making much progress on the release of the US hostages and it looked like Washington and Tehran were about to reach an agreement. But according to this negotiator, in October the Iranians suddenly pulled out of the negotiations without giving an explanation. Even though the October Surprise has been officially discredited, I have always suspected that it might be true. There are just too many coincidences. Some people are now asking why it took this long for this story to break. It has been known for a long time; now; the difference is that's it's gaining wider acceptance.
Old ronald raygun was some wretch. So much damage was done. Cannot even imagine what's NOT being disclosed that went on. I hope Carter is lucid enough to hear this and understand the truth that's being exposed. One more reason for him to be at peace.
My memory is that the hostages were in a plane on the tarmac waiting to taxi down the runway as soon as it was noon, Jan 20th, in DC. Once Iran knew Reagan was president, the plane took off and headed for the US. Reagan didn't invite Carter to the welcoming home party, which I thought was sad since Jimmy had spent so much of his presidency trying to get those folks safely home. But Reagan's Hollywood days had taught him the importance of top-billing and not sharing the spotlight with others. It was a lesson he took to heart and showed others how to look presidential.
This story is new to me, but parallels a story I read about at the time; two books were published about it. I didn't read them, but did read reviews. One book was reviewed as inconclusive. The other was said to have lacked the "smoking gun," but only just; it said that Reagan himself had deputed Casey to go to Paris to talk to the Ayatollah Koemenhi (in exile), to make a deal by which Reagan, if elected, would arrange for Iran to get weapons it wanted, if the regime would hold our hostages till after the 1980 election. There was no conclusive direct evidence that this occurred, but very strong circumstantial evidence. And certainly I inclined to believe this story as I'd witnessed already how Reagan had screwed over Calif. as governor. Need I point out that this was treason? We've had a succession of terrible Republican presidents from Nixon through Trump, with the (doubtful) exception of Bush I, who may have been involved in the plot to assassinate JFK.
It is not Treason - people use that term casually and incorrectly and it undermines its significance - Treason is aid and comfort to the enemy in time of war. Nothing in this meets that definition. It is certainly espionage - effectively acting as a double agent - on behalf of the USA - but against the USA's goals. That is really, really murky evil stuff and a far cry away from all the patriotic regalia associated with Reagan - but these were really nasty awful people. Casey was a religious nut - he was Opus Dei before any of that was really known. A very very strange and horrible character
This was rumoured for a long time. I'm no insider (I'm not even American), but I had heard this about Reagan's administration a long time ago. I'm glad that Peter Baker put some facts on this story. How the sausage is made can sometimes be VERY dirty.
Just more examples of Republican dirty tricks. I've known about this story for a very long time, I'm glad it is being brought back out to the public again.
From Europe: being partnered / then married to an Iranian since 1979, we always suspected something fishy in this affair; i.e. the Americans meddling, however, we did not know enough about the US internal situation to come up with a solution. In my 74 years of life I got used to the truth coming out on average a 40 years later😃
So, Carter should have had 4 more years, and we would have had electric cars 35 years sooner, and potentially infinitely farther from climate crisis. So, it wasn't just a couple dozen American lives being toyed with - the entire planet has paid the price.
This is not new information, I wrote about this in a paper for a journalism class while attending Victor Valley Junior College in 1992. I also know why the 'woke' media is acting like this is a surprise, even though this has been known about for decades. Later while attending Idaho State University I wrote a paper about how the main stream news media went along with the Reagan sham, lock stock and barrel. In other words the news media was complicit, I should know, I became a number one rated local TV news producer for KYMA in the early-mid 1990s and then KPVI in the late 1990s to 2000 (both stations are now jokes). I was not just a time clock watcher, I actually had in my contract creative control of the 6pm & 10pm newscasts, and they were number one rated because I constantly fought against 'The Narrative', and my newscasts became in-demand for advertisers which made me the highest paid Producer in Small Market TV news (when I was finally black-listed I was making $35,000 in DMA 155). Liberals thought I was Right-Wing, and conservatives thought I was Left-Wing. I represented the true Silent Majority, I had a crew (reporters, photogs and anchors) that understood what the local audience wanted to know, and I refused to regurgitate the main stream national narratives, and it finally got me ousted and black-listed (along with the reporters and anchors that worked specifically for my newscasts) in January 2000.
There is some evidence Casey was in Spain to meet with Iranian operatives. A letter found at President HW Bush's library from the Ambassador of Spain noted in a cable that Casey was in Madrid for reasons unknown. We know the reason.
It doesn't matter if he knew, these are people he surrounded himself with. I am no Reagan fan but this puts him in a whole new light. He was running as the .leader. Did he find out later and come clean? Do you think Reagan really never found out in all 8 years of his presidency?
We knew about this a long time ago but the media didn’t care so the public didn’t care. Reagan was as bad as any republican today! But as a Democrat I’m not throwing stones. Our history ain’t so nice either.
Exactly. And the so-called “liberal Media” have also been complicit in polishing Reagan’s legacy. I remember the Reagan worship starting around 1991 during bushes (h.w.) term as president.
The public couldn't wait to vote for Reagan so they could "kick those lazy bums off welfare." Thanks to them, the penalty for being laid off in the US is you lose everything and become homeless and your family has to split up. Now every US city has a huge homeless population and they spend billions to shuffle them from place to place, but God forbid helping them. I'm surprised they haven't started incarcerating homeless people to use for slave labour. No doubt they will promise to do that and win the next election.
To think, those hostages (in fear of their lives) suffered and endured needless terror because of this. Military/Intelligence personnel were hostages, making this a case of 'treason'. I cannot think of any other phrase, because of this.
They are the ones who covered it up or ignored it for decades. Now that Algeria is the only secular Arab nationalist state that survives intact I guess they figure they can relax a little.
it was by a lot of people - what makes it a talking point - is they have a paper trail that all but proves it- previously it has always been speculated. you know it looked like a duck - it walked like a duck and quacked like a duck - but we didn't have the feathers
This is not 'new' news. The Iranians received, in timely fashion, the weaponry and aircraft, as promised by the Reagan Administration, as I vividly remember. Do we want to discuss Iran-Contra?
This isn't news. I've heard of the 1980 October surprise for a few years now. Frontline did two episodes on it in the early 90s and there is an abc nightline episode on it.
Reagan was the beginning of the horror show we call the modern Republican party. No such thing as "good Republican". The "good ones" were horrible for decades before they saw the light.
Joe's brain is in much better condition than the little orange man's. That's a brain that has been programed to lie, cheat, steal and killing any person that will not give their money to him and lie down their lives to protect a piece of worthless filthy skin.
Why are we acting like this is new?! This has been known for a looooong time. That there is a bit of new corroborating evidence, does not make this a completely new and shocking story.
I feel like I'm in a Berenstein Bears timeline right now. I though this was common knowledge? I guess it was just people on the left that were all "mmmhmmmm and in other news, water is wet".
I got to hand to tRump when he said, “If you allowed every American citizen to vote, you wouldn’t ever have a republican president”. Personally didn’t like him but it was one of the most brutally honest statements he made. Just one, sad I have to say that.
yeah he did not mean it to be heard that way - but it is true - we have all known it is true for a long time - that was caught on a hot mike during the 2020 campaign - he is saying it full on out loud -now - ballot harvesting I think is the term he is using for it - I think he believes they have the ground game for it in enough states . I suspect he means they are not going to stop people from voting so overtly - now it is about finding new ways to not count the votes - voter nullification
