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One of my favorite identities. 

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@QuantumHistorian
@QuantumHistorian Год назад
I love how at 10:00 he spent multiple lines rewriting the lemma to be as a sum over all integers (rather than all natural numbers as it already was), only to have to essentially undo all that manipulation again at 16:00.
@yds6268
@yds6268 Год назад
This is crazy. I thought I saw all the interesting zeta identities, but this is the best one
@srijanbhowmick9570
@srijanbhowmick9570 Год назад
Can you share the other interesting zeta identities that you have seen ?
@PotatoImaginator
@PotatoImaginator Год назад
He always knows the good place to stop :)
@TheAmbientMage
@TheAmbientMage Год назад
Best road trip copilot ever
@HagenvonEitzen
@HagenvonEitzen Год назад
Well it's no tthat hard to tell - it alwys happens at the end of the video
@dhampson545
@dhampson545 11 месяцев назад
He always stops at the end for some reason.....
@dicksonchang6647
@dicksonchang6647 Год назад
12:18 there is typo on the last sum, it should be πa rather than π/a
@Happy_Abe
@Happy_Abe Год назад
How do the pi^2’s in the denominators cancel out then from just a pi on top on the numerator?
@qzhong
@qzhong Год назад
Because there's another pi outside the sum
@Happy_Abe
@Happy_Abe Год назад
@@qzhong ah thank you!
@donach9
@donach9 Год назад
Thanks, that was confusing me
@gerryiles3925
@gerryiles3925 Год назад
At 12:26 the Pi/a outside the sum was correct but the ones inside the sum should have been Pi * a...
@Happy_Abe
@Happy_Abe Год назад
How do the pi^2’s in the denominators cancel out then from just a pi on top on the numerator?
@gerryiles3925
@gerryiles3925 Год назад
@@Happy_Abe The Pi's are still in the same places, it is the a's that move and will actually reduce to the necessary form...
@Happy_Abe
@Happy_Abe Год назад
@@gerryiles3925 thank you!
@wesleydeng71
@wesleydeng71 Год назад
@1:50 zeta(10) = (pi^10)/93555
@byronwatkins2565
@byronwatkins2565 Год назад
At 12:35, z=pi a NOT pi/a in the sum.
@Nico2718_
@Nico2718_ Год назад
So nice! I'm 19 and I just finished high school, I'm planning to go to university and study maths there, also because I miss some key knowledge since I went to a music oriented high school; but your explanations are so clear! I managed to understand almost everything, I only took some derivative things I didn't recall and everything regarding the hyperbolic functions (how you evaluate them and derive them) as given (and also the results of the zeta function at even integers, like I already knew the results had this form but I still don't know why), but besides that it was so clear, which is what makes you appreciate so much the end result! I love your videos, thanks!
@Radana95
@Radana95 Год назад
The merge of sums at around 11:20 was really nice 👍🏻
@megauser8512
@megauser8512 Год назад
The non-alternative sum results in a similar solution: 1/2 * ( coth(i) / i + 1 ), which reduces to 1/2 * ( 1 - cot(1) )
@krtschil
@krtschil Год назад
Are you sure? 1/2*(1-coth(1)) is negative which is not possible. The limit must be positive
@krtschil
@krtschil Год назад
According to Wolfram the numerical value is approximately 0.178954
@khoozu7802
@khoozu7802 Год назад
​@@krtschillook carefully he wrote cot(1) not coth(1) for final part
@gutentag1752
@gutentag1752 Год назад
I wonder if you could also optain the same result using the Bernoulli numbers. ζ(2n) can be expressed in terms of these so there might be a way. Their generating function for t=2 would also nearly lead to the result in the video differing by a factor of just 2. Now I am quite tempted to try it out
@lexinwonderland5741
@lexinwonderland5741 Год назад
please do, and let us know how it turns out!!
@noahtaul
@noahtaul Год назад
I was wondering the same thing, that RHS looks very much like the result of a geometric series
@lexyeevee
@lexyeevee Год назад
ah, yet another place where using π instead of τ obscures a beautiful pattern - ζ(2) = τ²/24 = ½ B₂ τ²/2! ζ(4) = τ²/1440 = -½ B₄ τ⁴/4! ζ(6) = τ²/60480 = ½ B₆ τ⁶/6! ζ(8) = τ²/2419200 = -½ B₈ τ⁸/8! where B_n are the Bernoulli numbers.
@RandyKing314
@RandyKing314 Год назад
“going around right now” yeah it’s a fad😆. seriously though, good discussion on the identity, Professor, thanks for the vid
@ClaraDeLemon
@ClaraDeLemon Год назад
That cotangent identity is a classic complex analysis exercise: show these two functions have the same zeroes, and their difference is bounded (and holomorphic), so it is constant, and evaluated at zero it is also zero :p
@wynautvideos4263
@wynautvideos4263 Год назад
Wow i always wanted to see a formal proof of why you can factor sin and sinh that way but if its really that simple thats beautiful
@chalkchalkson5639
@chalkchalkson5639 Год назад
Isn't that a bit tricky since coth diverges at 0?
@The1RandomFool
@The1RandomFool Год назад
There is a closed form of even values of the Riemann zeta function, but it isn't easy to prove. I used complex analysis along with the Laurent series expansion of cotangent, which I've also proven using the generating function for Bernoulli numbers and complex numbers. So consequently, the closed form of the zeta function involves Bernoulli numbers. Putting it all together, the problem in this video could have been calculated from just the generating function of the Bernoulli numbers, as an alternative. The lemma in the video can also be proven with complex analysis.
@Calcprof
@Calcprof 10 месяцев назад
Euler works out (I belive) up to ζ(20), and works out the recurrence in Introduction to the Analysis of the Infinities, available for free (in Latin) at the Euler Archive. There is so much computation that the latin is not hard to read, -- just follow the computation. There is also an english translation available from the usual sources.
@dragonmudd
@dragonmudd Год назад
So excited to see some hyperbolic trig functions in your videos. More please!
@goodplacetostop2973
@goodplacetostop2973 Год назад
20:10
@emanuellandeholm5657
@emanuellandeholm5657 Год назад
The power of pi over something breaks down for RiemannZeta(12).
@andrej8875
@andrej8875 Год назад
It doesn't?
@emanuellandeholm5657
@emanuellandeholm5657 Год назад
@@andrej8875 According to Wikipedia, this is where it happens
@RobsMiscellania
@RobsMiscellania Год назад
@@emanuellandeholm5657 It is still a rational number multiplied by pi to the 12th power. In general that will always be the case for even exponents, as Euler showed. So it's true, in general the number Zeta(2s) will not have the form (1/n)*pi^(2s), where n is a natural number. But Zeta(2s) = (p/q)*pi^(2s) is in fact always true for p,q,s natural numbers.
@emanuellandeholm5657
@emanuellandeholm5657 Год назад
@@RobsMiscellania I think Professor Penn meant that the pattern was 1/k times an even power of pi, which breaks down for 2n = 12. I could be wrong tho.
@RobsMiscellania
@RobsMiscellania Год назад
@@emanuellandeholm5657 Yes, that pattern of even power of pi divided by a whole number breaks down for s=12. I don't believe there ever is an instance of it being true ever again for any even number 12 or greater. I can see how it might be misleading for someone who doesn't know the connection between Bernoulli numbers and the solution of the "generalized" Basel problem, where one might think that it truly is 1/k times the even power of pi.
@MrCreeper20k
@MrCreeper20k Год назад
Out of college for one year at a job where I don't really use math. This channel keeps my passion for math alive! I can't wait until I get the whole work life balance thing right and I can start dedicating some time to learning math again.
@anon5976
@anon5976 Год назад
Michael I don't know if you read these comments, it's fine if you don't. I just wanted to say that I'm so grateful for these videos and I have learned so many cool math tricks from you. Whenever I swap the order of summation or rewrite a geometric series using its closed form I feel like it's a micro homage to you. These videos are changing the world.
@CM63_France
@CM63_France Год назад
Hi, 6:49 : multiplied by some constant, which is equal to 1, by doing z=0.
@tomholroyd7519
@tomholroyd7519 Год назад
11:31 that's a nice capital sigma
@Anonymous-zp4hb
@Anonymous-zp4hb Год назад
Beautiful. Great when I can follow along with little knowledge. And like you said, it's only the equating sinh(z)/z to that infinite product that wasn't fully justified in the video. But I've seen a similar breakdown of the sin function in a simplified solution to, funnily enough, the Basel problem.
@chahn987
@chahn987 Год назад
Didn't know about the Weierstrass product until googling it after it was mentioned. Was actually playing around with an alternative expansion of sine not long ago by using the roots and plotted and ended up looking pretty close to sine a couple weeks ago after using a normalization factor. Didn't know this actually had a name
@user-ys3ev5sh3w
@user-ys3ev5sh3w Год назад
Sum of Zeta(i) for i:=2 to n equals Sum of (a- 1/a^n)/(a-1) for a:=2 to infinity - zeta(0). Where 1/a^n is sum of carry*(a-1) from n-th to infinity digit of (-a)-ary number system (i.e. a-ary number system with carry to m-th digit not a^(m-1) but 1/a^(m-1), a will be infinity of that number system, dividing by (a-1) is needed to receive carry in each of digits (from previose digit) , it will be numbers 1/a^m (m=0..n-1) in each of n digits)). (a - 1/a^n)/(a-1) = 1/a^0+1/a^1+..+1/a^n. For example. 1/2^0+1/2^1=(2-1/2^1)/(2-1)=1+1/2; 1/2^0+1/2^1+1/2^2=(2-1/2^2)/(2-1)=1+3/4; 1/2^0+1/2^1+1/2^2+1/2^3=(2-1/2^3)/(2-1)=1+7/8; 1/5^0+1/5^1+1/5^2+1/5^3=(1-1/5^3)/(5-1)=1+124/(125*4)=1+31/125; 1/6^0+1/6^1+1/6^2+1/6^3=(1-1/6^3)/(6-1)=1+215/(216*5)=1+43/216; If to take difference between 2 cosequent Sum of Zeta(i) above then: Zeta(2) equals Sum of (a-1/a^2)/(a-1) for a:=2 to infinity- Zeta(0); Zeta(2) = 1/(2-1)-1/(2^2*(2-1))+1/(3-1)-1/(3^2*(3-1)) +1/(4-1)-1/(4^2*(4-1))+1/(5-1)-1/(5^2*(5-1)) +...; Zeta(2) = 1-1/4+1/2-1/18 +1/3-1/48+1/4-1/100 +...; Zeta(2) = Zeta(1)-1/4-1/18 -1/48-1/100 -1/180 -1/276 Zeta(2)=Zeta(1)- Sum 1/(a^2*(a-1)) for a:=2 to infinity; Zeta(3)=Zeta(2)- Sum 1/(a^3*(a-1)) for a:=2 to infinity; Zeta(4)=Zeta(3)- Sum 1/(a^4*(a-1)) for a:=2 to infinity; Zeta(3) equals Sum of ((a-1/a^3) - (a-1/a^2))/(a-1) for a:=2 to infinity - Zeta(0); Zeta(4) equals Sum of ((a-1/a^4) - (a-1/a^3) + (a-1/a^2))/(a-1) for a:=2 to infinity - Zeta(0); Zeta(5) equals Sum of ((a-1/a^5) - (a-1/a^4) + (a-1/a^3) - (a-1/a^2))/(a-1) for a:=2 to infinity - Zeta(0). Sum of Zeta(i) for i:=2 to infinity equals Sum of (all ones row)*(it's a-convolution(take 1/(element of Pascal matrix))* (all ones column) for a:=2 to infinity. (1 1 1 ...)* ( 1 =2^0 -> 1/2^0 1 1 =2^1 -> 1/2^1 1 2 1 =2^2 -> 1/2^2 1 3 3 1 =2^3 -> 1/2^3 ... ) *(1 1 1 ..)^T =2/1=1+1/1 + (1 1 1 ...)* ( 1 =3^0 -> 1/3^0 1 1 1 =3^1 -> 1/3^1 1 2 3 2 1 =3^2 -> 1/3^2 1 3 6 7 6 3 1 =3^3 -> 1/3^3 ... ) *(1 1 1 ..)^T =3/2=1+1/2 + (1 1 1 ...)* ( 1 =4^0 -> 1/4^0 1 1 1 1 =4^1 -> 1/4^1 1 2 3 4 3 2 1 =4^2 -> 1/4^2 1 3 6 10 12 12 10 6 3 1 =4^3 -> 1/4^3 ... ) *(1 1 1 ..)^T =4/3=1+1/3 + (1 1 1 ...)* ( 1 =5^0 -> 1/5^0 1 1 1 1 1 =5^1 -> 1/5^1 1 2 3 4 5 4 3 2 1 =5^2 -> 1/5^2 1 3 6 10 15 18 19 18 15 10 6 3 1 =5^3 -> 1/5^3 ... ) *(1 1 1 ..)^T =5/4=1+1/4 + (1 1 1 ...)* ( 1 =6^0 -> 1/6^0 1 1 1 1 1 1 =6^1 -> 1/6^1 1 2 3 4 5 6 5 4 3 2 1 =6^2 -> 1/6^2 1 3 6 10 15 21 25 27 27 25 21 15 10 6 3 1 =6^3 -> 1/6^3 ... ) *(1 1 1 ..)^T =6/5=1+1/5 + S(a)= sphere * uncurving of a-sphere with taking zeroinfinity inversion * sphere^T= a/(a-1)=1+1/(a-1) + ..................... = zeta(1)+zeta(0). So we can define zeroinfinity inversion following way: I(a)=S(a+1)-1; I(b)=S(b+1)-1; I('+')= sum of indexes of above sequence. For example "a+b=c" became "I(a) I('+') I(b) = I(c)". "2+3=5" became "1/2 I('+') 1/3=1/5 (ie 5-th member of above sequence - 1). a/n + b/n = 2-convolution (a b) * (n n) / n^2 =(a*n+n*b)/n^2. a/n + b/n + c/n= 3-convolution (a b c) * (n n n) / n^3 =(a*n*n*n+n*n*b+c*n*n)/n^3. a/c + b/d = 2--convolution (a b)*(c d)/c*d. a/c + b/d + f/g = 3-convolution (a b f)*(c d g)/c*d*g. So division operator A/B is n-convolution A*B and after that applying zeroinfinity inversion multiplying by 1/convolution B*B. So inversion of + is convolution.
@tiltltt
@tiltltt Год назад
what a quirky function, I wonder if there are any famous hypothesis that use it
@stewartzayat7526
@stewartzayat7526 Год назад
Certainly not. I can't imagine this function being important in any way
@HagenvonEitzen
@HagenvonEitzen Год назад
@@stewartzayat7526 Certainly not when it is only defined for Re(s)>1 :)
@ForcesOfOdin
@ForcesOfOdin Год назад
Lots of cool techniques here. I love the conversion of m=1 to infinity to m over all Z by splitting in half, using the squares to exchange the second half with negative indices, and then adding in the 0. And in the end we get something like a crazy new definition of e😁
@GeoffryGifari
@GeoffryGifari Год назад
that lemma we use reminds me of the integration formula ∫ 1/(x^2 + a^2) dx
@General12th
@General12th Год назад
Hi Dr. Penn! Very cool!
@Handelsbilanzdefizit
@Handelsbilanzdefizit Год назад
Of course, this sum is the inverse of: lim_n->∞ (sum_i^n exp(2i/n)2/n) And it explains why it works for even indices i.
@hydra147147
@hydra147147 Год назад
Using Taylor series of cotangent gives equivalen proof: x*cot(x)=1-2x^2/pi^2*zeta(2)-2x^4/pi^4*zeta(4)-2x^6/pi^6*zeta(6)-..., so substituting x=1 and x=I respectively we get the same identities
@jacksonstarky8288
@jacksonstarky8288 Год назад
I'd love to see a video about the general formula for zeta(2n).
@veselindimov307
@veselindimov307 Год назад
As far as I remember it's related to Bernoulli's numbers in some sense and it's quite a long topic of its own. But I think Mathologer had done a great video about it. Maybe try to search it.
@jordanrutledge7943
@jordanrutledge7943 Год назад
I looked it up and apparently the numerator of the rational number for zeta(10) is still 1, it’s 1/93555, but zeta(12) it finally breaks the pattern 691/638512875
@Noam_.Menashe
@Noam_.Menashe Год назад
Another way to get the coth sum is by using imaginary values in the digamma function.
@edmundwoolliams1240
@edmundwoolliams1240 Месяц назад
RU-vid's trending function!
@purplerpenguin
@purplerpenguin 2 месяца назад
I'm sure I'm missing something really obvious here, but why is a function equal to the infinite product of its zeros? I was expecting some other, multiplicative, factor.
@iamrepairmanman
@iamrepairmanman Год назад
12:42 you accidentally replaced z with pi/a instead of pi*a
@vasilismisoulis1833
@vasilismisoulis1833 Год назад
He has a typing error at 12:30 but the video is amazing
@jacksonstarky8288
@jacksonstarky8288 Год назад
Another interesting topic would be the connection between gamma (the Euler-Mascheroni constant) and the zeta function... just because any math that connects pi, e, and gamma is beautiful and a possible starting point for the eventual proof of the irrationality and transcendence of gamma.
@Jack_Callcott_AU
@Jack_Callcott_AU Год назад
Michael's lemma could probably produce something interesting if you set x = a and integrate both sides.
@conrad5342
@conrad5342 11 месяцев назад
At some point in time one has been surprised of pi, i and e combining as e^(i pi) = -1 .... Zeta funktion: Hold my beer.
@ZipplyZane
@ZipplyZane Год назад
This is twice today that I'm seeing summation notation written differently. Here you just specify that the index is all rational numbers, rather than starting at -inf and going to +inf. And earlier I saw someone write n≥0 as the index instead of having n=0 on bottom and infinity on the top.
@tokajileo5928
@tokajileo5928 Год назад
what if you put odd numbers into the series instead of even?
@timmaths
@timmaths Год назад
Zeta of 2n gives nice answers with (smth)*pi^2n. Zeta of 2n+1 doesn't have nice values. Just for a start, Zeta(3) is irrational, and at least one of Zeta(5), Zeta(7), Zeta(9) and Zeta(11) is also irrational. We haven't found nice ways of expressing the values, so good luck calculating things with Zeta(2n+1)
@patrickhickey7673
@patrickhickey7673 Год назад
Wow, that’s a really nice identity!
@wyattstevens8574
@wyattstevens8574 4 месяца назад
If this isn't the exact value, it's very close: the reciprocal of the alternating sum is at least *close* to 0.8 above that of the absolute sum. If the thumbnail's anything to go by, that is. Even with just these 4 terms, it's already very close!
@Jack_Callcott_AU
@Jack_Callcott_AU Год назад
In the infinite series that Michael investigates the division by Π^(2n) makes the expression a rational number, as he said. Those rational numbers are related to the Bernoulli numbers. Michael should do a video on Bernoulli numbers.
@jaimeduncan6167
@jaimeduncan6167 Год назад
The patterns break for 12, not 10, according to mathematica.
@user-ue7ib6rc4m
@user-ue7ib6rc4m 10 месяцев назад
תודה!
@spaceface2918
@spaceface2918 Год назад
I'm kinda confused and haven't gotten much into the zeta function... but didn't you say that the zeta functions nice expression of pi to the s over some number breaks down after 10 or so. But here we are making an expression that is treating the reducibility of the expression as reciprocating by 2n over pi to the 2n? Since you are assuming over infinity doesn't that not work when n>=5? I'm sorry if this is incorrect in some obvious way, but I'm not quite tracking. Is this only a form of continuation of an approximate function or something?
@tien-chunghu3615
@tien-chunghu3615 Год назад
Can one get the Zeta(2) through the Lemma (Coth(pia identity) by taking a approaching to 0 ?
@GeoffryGifari
@GeoffryGifari Год назад
guys, is there anything interesting about this one: if we have a ratio of riemann zeta function between successive even numbers ζ(2n)/ζ(2n+2) = Constant × 1/π^2 (result from the video) if we take the limit as n goes to ∞, does the ratio converge to something?
@rsrudhro9664
@rsrudhro9664 Год назад
WolframAlpha says it converges to 1, which kind of makes sense, as n -> infinity zeta(2n) is roughly equally to zeta(2n+2)
@GeoffryGifari
@GeoffryGifari Год назад
@@rsrudhro9664 converges to one? so as long as the zeta function of an even argument has the form of rational number × π^2 , the "Constant" term in the ratio ζ(2n)/ζ(2n+2) = Constant × 1/π^2 will end up approaching π^2? that's pretty cool. didn't see that one coming
@user-ht9bi9nw8v
@user-ht9bi9nw8v Год назад
1. Déterminer les racines carrées du nombre complexe 33+56i 2. Soient x et y deux reels tels que 33x-56y=x/x”2+y”2 Et 56x+33y=-y/x”2+y”2 Donner la valeur de |x|+|y| “2=squard
@user-ht9bi9nw8v
@user-ht9bi9nw8v Год назад
Help
@timmaths
@timmaths Год назад
Je ne pense pas que écrire un commentaire en français sur une vidéo en anglais soit très utile, mais voici une réponse. 1) 7+4i et -7-4i
@maxfriis
@maxfriis Год назад
Damn - he is lucky :P
@nasim09021975
@nasim09021975 Год назад
Well, I have never heard of of anyone vocalize mˢ as "m to the s" 😅 Hmmm🤔 Generally , it has always been (well, almost always) either "m to the sᵗʰ power" or "m to the power s"
@GreenMeansGOF
@GreenMeansGOF Год назад
12:46 I don’t understand. The summand simplifies to 1/(1+(ak)^2). How does that reindex to 1/(m^2+a^2)?
@TheAwesomeJordy
@TheAwesomeJordy Год назад
Pi/a should have been Pi*a in the summand
@GreenMeansGOF
@GreenMeansGOF Год назад
@@TheAwesomeJordy got it. Thanks.
@CTJ2619
@CTJ2619 Год назад
Wow nice video
@gashtag9483
@gashtag9483 Год назад
Cool
@szymonraczkowski9690
@szymonraczkowski9690 Год назад
cool
@sinus_hiphop
@sinus_hiphop Год назад
damn! 8)
@bugzbunny109
@bugzbunny109 Год назад
fist
@Aditya_196
@Aditya_196 4 месяца назад
🫠 despite knowing nothing I don't know why I watched this for 5 minutes
@shanathered5910
@shanathered5910 Год назад
cool
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