It exists, but he just said it in a misinforming manner. The Mercedes matte paint itself doesnt have clearcoat. I work with them and see them all the time and that stock matte paintjob definitely doesnt have clearcoat and we hardly see them with any protection film
Worked in bodyshops since 2002, can confirm that matte lacquer is a thing, and it is a clearcoat. Can also use an additive to turn normal lacquer matte.
Why even pain tithe car. Use that money to save up for your next lease of Mercedes in 3 years. To me scratches and chips on car, is badge of honour , I never fix it, because either it’s my beater car or my lease car that’s getting replaced soon Anyways.
I’m ICAR certified in color theory, fabrication, and application of paint. I worked for a collision center for almost 20 years, and yes matte paint does have a clear coat on it. It’s a matte clear. No vehicle is riding around with just base on it from the factory and a lot of companies have gone to a single stage urethane.
Can you explain something in simple terms? In another comment someone said that the Mercedes doesn't have a clear coat and you can't paint match it or something?
@@freannde all cars have a clear on it, weather it is shiny or matte. The only cars that do not have clear on it are those that are painted with a single stage paint called urethane. This type of paint which is basically a cheap quick paint is the upgrade from enamel. Most places use this on colors without metallics because it’s cheap and very quick if you’re using it in a production shop.
@@tonyreid3188 Macco uses single stage all the time. A majority of those franchise shops that’s all they use, unless you want to pay extra to get base clear. That’s how they offer cheap paint jobs.
@@mightymogu4759 A factory matte finish DOES have a clearcoat... It's a matte clearcoat. The fact that this guy says "of course it doesn't" when he's completely wrong is wild
He's making more money from RU-vid than he does running his business now, so he's incentivised to make click bait lies. But he will cry for freedom of speech when he's commercially lying to you lol. RU-vid should have rules that prevent commercial businesses from advertising with misinformation, this exists in TV, no one watches that no more so it needs updating. People should report it.
@@lxXxSTARxXxl should they? Have you done your research? Did you know he was talking about this specific Mercedes that has a Paint colour called Magno which is literally what he was describing? no? Then screw off then. You wrote a long paragraph but decided to be an egotistical asshat and instead berate on a man who is completely correct albeit his wording a bit off.
Matte paint is just a matte clear coat. Same clear coat, just has an additive to diffuse the light depending on how much of a shine you want. There are several cars I have to repaint with either matte, semi gloss or eggshell sheen. It is true though, it’s much more difficult to maintain. You cannot buff it or it’ll be glossy. Which also means it’s even more difficult to spray, zero room for error. If there’s a defect you can’t simply buff it out, it’s a sand and respray
@@Chaseryantaylor ayy I also work with Axalta (Cromax). We also do the same with the matt clear coats. I actually don’t think the film he shows is a dumb idea at all, but his lack of knowledge while he says something completely wrong makes me pissed off. He could have said something like “this film is good to protect matt clear coats and prevent scratches and chips since the only way to fix that damage is to get the clear coat repainted”, but instead he said what he said🙄
Certified collision tech here. It’s in no way impossible to fix a flaw in a matte paint job. It’s just a colossal pain in the ass depending on the extent of the damage. This is because when you mess up one spot of the paint job, you have to go back over much more than just that one spot. It’s better to go with an expensive gloss finish than a matte finish if you want to keep your car pristine.
Imagine paying extra for the factory matte paint and then paying thousands more to cover it up with matte paint protector that last only a few years. 😂
Best solution is to get a car that was properly finished being painted with a clear coat instead of looking like it was spray can pained with primer for a finishing touch
As an owner of 2 cars with a magno paint job I agree with going with xpel stealth As since there’s no clear coat you cannot buff out scratches and will need to repaint
Regardless of gloss or matte finish, all vehicles undergo the same body painting process: surface pretreatment, electro-deposition, sealer application, intermediate coat, and finally top coat. The flat, non-reflective appearance of matte finish is achieved by applying a special type of clear coat at the end. It is the electro-deposition process that provides resistance to corrosion and improves paint adhesion.
Matte paint has clear coat. The way its laid down is different from glossy paint. You cant polish it to get scratches outs cuz you’ll just make it glossy. You can fix it at a body shop, its not cheap to fix but its still can be fixed
Mate paint does have a clear coat but it does make it a lot harder to fix unlike gloss you can't buff it at all preventing you from doing standard repairs that don't require a repaint you also can't do a touch up either because it'll be shinny while the rest is mate so basically the only way to fix scratches or chips you have to repaint it but to be fair most times on gloss you still have to repaint to fix it as well
I still wish I woulda became an Avery Denison certified wrapper when I was 19. I’m 33 now and work in telecommunications and still think graphics woulda made me more money and would have been funner, especially with wraps really taking off in the last 5 years
And most importantly they dont tell u that u need to replace the ppf every 3 years and also has the potential of ur paint coming off when they take off the film.
You don’t need to replace Ppf. Removed correctly it doesn’t damage your paint. See Winguard Paint Protection Specialists for a better understanding of how PPF works.
Paint is not matte. There is no such thing as matte paint on cars. Rather they all have a clear coat which is a matte finish because it’s not a smooth surface but instead the surface has microscopic jagged peaks and troughs so that light doesn’t reflect so easily off of it.
My dad used to own many car dealerships and used to work on cars too at his dealership. He said the most, almost impossible thing is to match a chrome color car and or fix a chip in it because chrome goes in so many different ways and it complicated to find the flow of it. Most of the time he would just re-do the whole wrap just to save time.
Dont forget the windshield gets chipped too over. Maybe u should put protective film over that too. U can also put protective film on ur face to protect it from getting damaged.
Anyone confused, matte clear coat does exist and ive used it numerous times and still use it for projects, matte paint also can be repaired, that is of course if you know what you’re doing, maybe this vehicle wasnt clear coated, idk but this doesnt go for all matte finishes
Mercedes Matte colors have a soft Matte-effect finish instead of traditional gloss . The Matte effect is entirely in the Clearcoat. The other paint layers are identical to traditional gloss finish. Source: Recently purchased a 2023 AMG with Matte Black and this is in one of my booklets.
No they don’t. If yours has only lasted that long then whoever installed it used second rate products or older product. Most films are guaranteed for min 10 years as is the installation.
@@fioname3495they may be rated at 10 but you Def want to swap every two. The sun bakes the sticky stuff to your car, and since there's no uv top coat it breaks down from the top down. Everything ends up binding together and becomes a mess to remove and can ruin your paint.
Well I’m a panel beater… and if you don’t drive your car the wrap is fine.. but If you rap your daily…. The stone chips alone will make u het your wings bumper and bonnet done regular… Maby being from Ireland and havin extreme weather conditions doesn’t help this 🤷♂️
I wanted to matte paing my car a while back and went to a high end specialized shop and asked about doing it matte to avoid the nonsene of my clear coats constantly suffering. They cleared my confussion that the clear coats were suffering the damage so that the actual paint didn't. With the matte paint, every little problem would be a disaster and could not be easily fixed like buffing out. So i gave up on the matte paint. Sad to hear how mucxh worse when at first glance matte would appear to be better.
That's what everyone says now, but in 2010 when the first matte paint finishes were released everybody hated it; they thought it was an unfinished paint job.
I paint controllers professionally. All the controllers i do use matte paint, and yes they do have a matte clear coat. It can be sanded and have matte clear coat reapplied.
As a professional painter I can tell a lot of commenters don’t know what they are talking about. Everything he said is 100 percent true. Most matte paint jobs are SS meaning no clear and yes you can clear a matte paint with an additive in the clear to prevent glossing but most don’t and you still can’t fix scratches etc… due to being matte l. You can’t buff them and one other thing is if you wash them and don’t completely dry them it’s a pain to remove the water spots left behind due to having to find a decent product that you don’t have to buff with. All in all nothing he said was wrong.
Matt paint was actually a mistake that one person actually said he wanted to order his car with primer only because he was doing some sort of custom paint job. Another client saw it and said he liked how it looked and wanted to order his car the same way. But he wasn't going to paint over the primer. So, the factory came up with the mat paint process. To me, it is not that nice, but I'm a former Auto Body Technician and I absolutely love a deep, glossy paint and clear coat.
Lotus offered a matte black at one point in time. It looked really good, but unlike their other colors. It came with no warranty whatsoever. I say a new car the other day with matte paint and it had giant stickers on both front windows saying how delicate it was and that you had to be careful.
Matte color does have clear coat, it fades in tho when cured , but yes this guy is right most body shops can’t color match this and will never look the same , ppf would be a good option if you care for your car !
Not sure how you’ve removed it but there is NO damage to the paint IF you ever wanted to take PPF off your car - providing you have used a licensed installer with a top class film (Xpel have the best)
Yep, my mom had a Mercedes, it was on the “low end” and still was extremely expensive and took a lot of maintenance. They now make Mercedes that have pre-paid maintenance packages as well as extending warranties. It’s an insanely expensive car, and has the most expensive maintenance. It’s almost like a “scam” but people willingly choose to buy into for the prestige. If you ask me, there are a lot more worthwhile things that you can do with your money, if you even have that much to begin with. 😮💨
Obviously matte clear coat does not exist, because fixing one spot on the occasional car pays much less than installing matte paint protection film on all cars.
The most valuable thing after this paint protection job is the film on the car body. The car will degrade way more rapidly before the film paint protection degrades.
There is a ceramic clear-coat .. It is scratch resistant . It is.sprayed the same way as base coat clear coat .. it can be polished with 2500g and will only shine up to the matte finish .. very difficult too feather edge but not impossible
Whats impossible is for an automotive paint not to have a clearcoat. Flat, matte, low gloss, high gloss and more clear coats are available and absolutely necessary for any automotive finish. Even single stage paint has a clearcoat mixed into it
Matte paint jobs are clear coat. The clear is just a matted finish, like how you can get house paint in gloss, eggshell, satin, matte. Same applies for automotive paints.
That is actually very useful to know thank you very much because I was just saying that when I paint my truck I want a matte finish I love that look and now I know I need to get that protector thank you
I work at a Volkswagen in Germany as a Vehicle painter and it's honestly sad how much misinformation is spread. Here we have a system that you learn a job for 3 years kind of like a 3 year Internship where I get paid (Less then a normal worker) but also have benefits like the company is not allowed to pressure me into making profit. My existence there is not there for profit. My purpose is to learn so I can professionally work as a vehicle painter. They can obviously tell me if I'm being inefficient with my work but not pressure me or fire me because of it. I also have to visit a specific school that teaches me a lot about the chemicals and materials used and explain to me why things are the way they are. The purpose of this is to make new good workers that know Thier job and Thier materials so we are able to work professionally. The fact that even I know better with barely experience is kind of sad. People are not even trying to make something believable anymore. (Also there is this car wrap chanel on RU-vid that's always like "exclusive wrap if I mess this up that's 400$ down the drain". Those are also fake. Expensive wraps are made from a special material that goes back to it's original state of you heat it up with a heat gun. The only way to actually ruin it is to ripp it apart but that takes a lot of force)
Kia stopped offering this paint to their EV6 for the same reason, it also chipped real easy, and they were paying a fortune to new customers and promptly dropped it from the choices.
Gray Matte paint shouldn't be permitted to be used on vehicles. It blends into the road and reduces your visibility. Dodge discontinued "destroyer gray" because it was aptly named
Now that’s the biggest bs I’ve ever heard as a car painter. Matte paint that’s also metallic comes WITH clearcoat 9.8/10 times. Non metallic paint too. Also extremely experienced polishers can indeed buff out imperfections, but it’s pretty difficult to get it matching.
I have an orange Nissan Micra from 2001 that is peeling to a matte finish all on its own. It's quite spotted now but every wash with the pressure washer it gets better. XD
I’m glad I read the comments and not blindly believe everything especially on topics I know nothing about. Glad I know he is wrong and matte clear coat does exist
I worked fixing paint damage in bicycle and cars and … I can tell you that Matt paint is the easiest to fix … some times you just have to apply Matt clear coat on top and you are ready to go.