Waylon, I've added a twist to this fabulous strategy that's made me tons of money. on a hit of one of the 3 place bets, I raise all my bets to 2 units, on a second hit, go up to 3 units, on 3rd hit, got up to 3 units, on 4th hit go up to 5 units. if I hit the 5th time, I start over. if a seven is rolled, I consider that a push and stay there. if I lose the lay I raise my bets 1 unit from where I lost the lay. won $2800 other day. one of the best ones, yet
I rolled it on Crapsee and profited over $1,000 in less than 45 minutes. I really like it. I'm new to your channel, and I have to say your approach to craps is very different than most I've seen. It has opened my "mind" to new ideas.
Love this system. I have changed it and start my lay at 150 and place all the numbers. I then take the first hit and rack it. After that, every number that hits, I up it one unit and bank the rest. If 6 or 8 is hit, I double the lay and add a unit to every place bet even if there is more on it. Once I hit a box number 2-3 times, I come down 1 unit on everything. If i find i have 4-5 hundred on the table, I will bring it all down and start over. That depends on how my roll is obviously. As you say, scared money don't make money and i say foolish playing doesn't make money either. You have to have some common sence knowing every shooter ends the roll with a big red. Thanks for all you do and Happy New Year.
Tried this strategy a few times on my app. With 102 lay and 25,30,25 bet levels and 6k bank roll. I had some particularly bad rolls getting up to lv 12 a few times, but it does battle back with some profit. I may have been too conservative but coming back down I was only up a few hundred for the risk of 6k. Granted these were extremely bad rolls for this, so the ramp up and down definitely works, it is just super scary.
You got me hooked on the Arnold system. Then your 4 & 10 Working video opened my eyes on the 4 & 10. Now i need to watch the 6/8 video to understand it a little better. Thanks for all these videos Waylon!
@@Milpower just search Waylon Craps Arnold. He has the original Arnold then about 4 different variations. Then instead of Arnold search 4 10. Waylon has a few different 4 & 10 systems. That's how i find his videos. Good luck!
Won over $1,200 with this beautiful system in the Poconos. Went with a $30 6 or 8 (started with 8 as the bad number and a $2k bankroll) and a $112 lay to start. Capped it at level 3. Was trying to figure out when to ladder back down so decided to only ladder down when a 4 or 10 was hit. I will certainly try it again at AC and will post the result. Thank you!
Another top shelf strategy Waylon! Had the chance to review your "Outside hop with the 6&8" Love it. Now I understand what you were referring to by covering the 6&8 when hoping the outside!
Love your channel, Waylon...and love this system. Hey, just wanted to let you know that I think you are shorting yourself on the payouts in this video. On a $100 lay (true odds being 5:6), the payout would be $83 minus a $4 vig for a total of $79. The 7-Out should actually pay you $4, not the $1 that you've been giving yourself. I saw someone comment below that you might be arriving to $80 on the payout; however, $80 paid on a $100 lay is only paying at 4:5. That's not right. Also, on a $200 lay, a 5:6 true odds pay would be $166.6667, rounded down to $166, which would incur a $8 vig for a total of $158. I think you are shorting yourself. :-) That just means the system is even better than you are giving it credit for! Love the content...keep it coming!
I love these strategies but they’re always way too rich for my blood lol. Usually “we starting with a 5k bankroll. 150 on the dont 100 on all the numbers” lol. Love the content!!!
💪🤠👍 Making the 6 or 8 for $26 so that it pays $30 is a option. Or making the 7 more of a winner by playing 20,24,20 on a $15 table with a $90-102 lay might be even better.
He does the uneven lay/place bets for ease of the video / explanations mostly. It would be best to make correct bets, but it can get confusing to most if you talk about odd numbers. Much easier to just use single chips and wave away the math and let whoever is interested in the strategy work out how they would do it. Great suggestions that is how I would do it too. With your 20,24,20 and 90 lay, you would get $7 for a seven, or if you went to 25,30,25 and a 102 lay, you would get the $1 he was speaking about. 80-81 lay pay out (depending how they round the .25 cent vig).
Howdy Waylon I am just getting started following craps and like the dark system and see you posting alot during RU-vid streamers chat and found your channel. I really like this system have you kept any stats on win vs loss on the 4 k bankroll? Thanks for showing the good and bad streaks on the video.
@@waylonswaycraps What's the highest you went on your ladder with this strat--here you went up 4 steps? There's 11 ways to win light side, 6 ways with the Lay and only 5 ways to lose the lay, or seems a 17:5, or better than a 3:1 favorite, am I reading that right?
I like it, I just don't understand it. Like, why lay the 6 and 8 when they have a higher percentage of hitting and losing vs the 5,9, 4 or 10? I guess it's offset by something else and always willing to trust and try Waylon's strategies.
@@Faux.PlayerThanks for the explanation. Not used to the dark side payouts yet. It's a better payout of the negative odds to lay the 6 or 8 instead of the 5 or 9.
@@ktnotter Sometimes I switch it up, let the whacked number ride twice in a row on a roll or two to offset things and usually things get back on track and I can go back to ye olde "back and forth."
Waylon it's been quite a while since you introduced your" WGS 4&10 ladder from the Don't pass starting at the 25$ level!". Do you still consider it the best for , "The "retiree play" : trying to make $100/day with a $2000-4000 bankroll and hoping to never have to add to the bankroll ? THANKS for the work/thinking you do !!
Thank you, Waylon👍, I really like this strategy too...The difference with my similar strategy is I place all the box #s, equal to my don't #, and don't ladder up...If I get caught sometimes on the don't come out by a 7 or 11, I'll GAMBLE, and switch to the iron cross for a hit at what I feel is the proper time. (sounds dangerous) but it's a 90% winner with a bankroll pocket full of 100`s, and as you know it's fast on bubble craps. I need a minimum 5000 limit if I play it on a craps machine... ...Old Naples Florida 🌴🎨
Getting hit 2 or 3 straight times is rare, BUT ! it does happen, that's for sure...At some point in the session, I'll switch up to an iron cross to make the loss up ( the real Gamble)...Adding up the place hits at the end is profitable...I like tweaking some of your strategies... You know what Randy says ? practice practice practice.... @@waylonswaycraps
Thats the holy grail. Just play this one and only system the rest of your life Why play other systems? You won every single day and never lost. Im sure you have won millions of dollars. Thanks for your help. .
Hi Waylon. Making my way through all of your great 4 & 10 strategies. One question…when you 7 out when at the first level shouldn’t you be making $79 instead of $76? $100 lay should pay $83 minus $4 vig. That extra 3 bucks would add up.
Figured it out it is in the rounding on the math 100/6 = 16.66 Rounding Down is 16 16 * 5 = $80 Minus the $4 vig = 76. On bubble craps or roll to win you may get the higher payout
@@peterb2196 that math doesn't check out, though. $80 on a $100 lay would be a 4:5 payout, which isn't the true odds of 5:6. To get 5:6 payout on a $100 lay, the math works to $83.3333, or rounded to just $83. $83 to $100 is 5 to 6 payout. I think Waylon's math is off here. He's shorting himself some cash.
@@waylonswaycraps I hear ya, love your channel Waylon. I wanna ask you for some advice, I’m going to Atlantic City this weekend, I’m not gonna bring a bigger bankroll like I normally do because I’m headed down there again in November and Vegas in January and Colorado in March(Black Hawk/Central City casinos), so I’m trying to save up for those trips and I’m only going to be bringing a $500 bankroll for a $15 table. How would you play it?
@@cookingwithunclemike831 lay the point or bet the point ! Ever what's winning ! Ladder up and down on wins and losses ! 15,30,45,60,80,95 ! Start out on the passline
@@waylonswaycraps just walked away $500 richer. The table started out $10 minimum, bet 66 inside, after one hit placed the 4 and 10 and collected and pressed each hit. I was down a few hundred then got a hot shooter who rolled for 30 mins and made $700-800 off him and walked away.
@@waylonswaycraps ohh I am just saying you’ve got a lot of beginner/new players so they will get so confused they can’t get the payouts you are showing without throwing more singles down 😅🤣
