Thank you everyone so much for the support on this video! When I posted I had no subscribers and didn’t expect to get any views at all, so seeing the positive response has been incredibly heartwarming 💕 As most of you have noticed, this is currently my only video. There are more coming! IRL I am a full-time graduate student in a field that’s not even remotely related to the topics I want to make videos essays on, so my upload schedule is guaranteed to be somewhat sporadic at least until graduation. But I do have scripts written that are waiting to be filmed and edited, so if you have the patience, I’d love it if you’d stick around :) Thank you again! Also: sorry about how quick the pause to read sections are! I wanted to keep this under 30 minutes so a lot of spare thoughts ended up as on-screen text instead of spoken words. In the future I will be sure to leave them up long enough to actually pause on, oopsies
I'm gonna save this video and watch it later after seeing the show, Haven't watched it since...well it first came out year's ago and wanna re watch it, subbed and gonna support ur channel, stopped at the: 1:09 mark, your amazing! 🙌😃
I think you did a great job - thank you for exploring this fascinating character! I have so many heartsnares when it comes to JJ, having been in a difficult abusive relationship some years ago... love the show so much
It's really well done, especially for your first one. You must of have had editing experience before this since it's so well put together. Looking forward to what you do next.
One thing I always appreciate is the ability of such a lovable person and generally mild mannered individual to get to play the villain- I’m not going to lie, I think that Doctor Who prepared him. It’s essentially that same self righteous behavior his Doctor scantly engaged in but directed in a totally selfish way totally out of coping pain. He’s high on the ability to control a world that hurt him. And you don’t know that until later, but he’s literally like a kid in a candy store- and then it gets boring and he turns very very sour. Just thinking about the darkness that Tennant somehow tapped into is chilling.
Can we give a shout-out to Krysten's smile in the final confrontation? A smile that clearly never reaches her eyes, more of a grimace, really. Yet Kilgrave is so clueless about body language and genuine emotion, that he falls for it anyway, giving her the opening to kill him before he even knows what hit him. No massive action scene, just one clean shot to take him down.
23:30 I discovered David Tennant through Jessica Jones. Prior to Kilgrave, I have never seen, heard, or know David Tennant. I now associate Doctor Who with Kilgrave, not the other way around. Every role David plays, I first see Kilgrave, then David himself. Still, when I watched Jessica Jones for the first time, I couldn't help but feel the same way as other people who knew David before: sympathy, hope for a redemption arc, happiness when he did something slightly good. This proved to me one thing: we don't like Kilgrave because David plays him, we like him because of the WAY David plays him. It's not his face that makes us root for Kilgrave, it's his ACTING. And that's why this character in particular is so great. The writers/creators didn't rely on David charming his way into the fans' hearts, they made sure Kilgrave was a sympathetic villain from the start.
Love this comment! This really does prove that the writing was really good, and David himself is a fantastic actor with a wide range - and that we can learn a lot from them. Of course it doesn't _hurt_ that some viewers may already have a pre-existing image of David Tennant and his most notable role(s) prior to this, but the fact that not having that pre-existing image still puts you on that emotional rollercoaster just shows the solidity of the show's writing and actors themselves. (Side note, during the press interviews for Good Omens - certainly more wholesome fare than Jessica Jones but nonetheless another show Tennant was a main actor in - David Tennant joked he's "an acting chameleon". He meant it as a response to a comment about his hair, which had been dyed red for the show, but I loved that phrase because now I just use it to describe actors whose acting enables them to blend into their roles really effectively.)
Every time I feel and felt sympathy or bad about him I would make myself remember how he raped Hope and Jessica and probably countless other women. Or how he made that one man stand there for eternity. And all the other countless horrible things he has done
@@persephoneabbot9125 Yes, he did horrible things. And yet, you can't help but feel sympathy for him during some scenes (most notably the "Then why did you leave?" speech), thanks to a combination of great writing and acting. That's the whole point. Kilgrave is quite clearly a monster, but at the same time we can still feel bad for him.
@@TaurielTheElfhe actually wanted only love people care for him not thanthe command hypnotize bis parents were horrible using him as lab rat having no mercy symphapie or mercy pity towards him
I think he is the scariest and most realistic villain ever. Especially in the comics. Where love is totally taken out of the equation. The comic states he never raped her but he made her watch as he raped other girls. He loved the power he, quite literally, got off on it.
@@youtubestudiosucks978 not really the case here. He had no parents and he needed to rely on an incontrollable power for survival as a kid. Just telling someone go fuck yourself could have immense consequences, so when he grows up for at least 20 years ish with nobody telling him no and everything going his way, it shapes the way you think, especially as he never actually went back to look at people he previously controlled (aside from Jessica) cause he either didn't care or they were dead. Now if he'd been an incredibly righteous boy who had an iron clad moral code (like say Matt Murdock) he might have had a chance but as a kid who spent 6 years being ignored and abused by his parents then given ultimate power/control he never really had a chance at turning out good without some insane moral compass that he would need to be born with ( that's probably less than 1 in a billion even in the real world). And lets be fair if anyone watching this video got Killgrave's power, you might not use it for rape or killing people but you would 100% use it to make life better (money/ free shit).
@@adrianbozdog9702 that was a lot of words to agree. Power reveals. In this case it revealed that his parents failed him, that he has a malformed personality because of this. It shaped who he had become. The Freudian excuse doesn't change the fact of the outcome, and who he now is. We're not condemning him for who he could have been, or saying he could not have been otherwise. And saying that someone would use powers to better their life isn't really much of a take. Like...yes, of course. But the way they do so is still revealing. The person that robs banks is not the same as the guy who tells a loan shark to give him money and forget about it. Nor are they the same as someone who uses it to ask for a job then ask for a raise. Can it escalate? Yeah. But it still matters. But the direction it escalates is revealing too.
@@FFKonoko I mean yes I agree that power reveals rather than corrupts but I just wanted to make the point that other than the 1 in 10 million exception (like Steve Rogers) anyone else would have become Killgrave just with a different face (and maybe some other lines they refused to cross but just as immoral and illegal as original Killgrave)
“He’s also played by David Tennant soooo”….That part! Ugh the hardest part when I watched this back when it aired. I just…it was HARD to remind myself that he was disgustingly evil. “Grape” usually cements my hate and disgust for ANY character, but with DT playing him, GOD it was…confusing? Still, yeah, no. He’s evil and I laugh when he *spoiler* gets his neck snapped. He’s abhorrent. But I will say thank God he didn’t have his Scottish accent in this…
As someone who has been in an abusive relationship I can only get half way through season 1 before having a big panic attack and having to take a break but even still Jessica Jones season 1 was oddly one of the most empowering experiences I've had, just to see Jess and the way her ptsd is shown made me finally feel seen and the fact that she still managed to get through it all just made me feel more comfortable in myself. And even though I destest Killgrave and what he represents, he is still one of my all time favourite villains ever right along side Mother Gothal from Tangled, Im both impressed and terrified that the writers of both could write such an accurate abusive charter. Idk what my point is with this ramble but just, Jessica Jones is and always will be one of the best things the MCU has created right along side Wandavision in a way that (In my opinion) things like Endgame never even came close to.
Totally agree. Jessica Jones as a show was something that was both just an amazing work of art and people at the top of their craft, but also such a healing journey for me, for similar reasons as it was for you. Hope you're doing better now.
The thing that originally gave her ptsd, was her parents and brother being killed in a car accident and her almost dying from it herself, but yes her being tortured by killgrave definitely made her ptsd worse.
I'd argue he gave her a 2nd case of PTSD cuz he doesn't trigger her childhood trauma until he digs up her old life n buys her childhood home. Not a psychologist so I can't speak to how things work IRL but in the show they treat the 2 traumas separately
She most likely has CPTSD or Complex Post Traumatic Stress Disorder at this point. The difference between PTSD and CPTSD is one event v.s. continuous/multiple events. With PTSD it's a terrible thing but it is identifiably over. With Jessica for example though, there were the deaths of her family, her time in the experimental hospital program, Dorothy's abuse as a child, her first boyfriend's death, then Kilgrave's abuse and all those deaths, killing her own mother, and finally Salinger. Things just kept happening. It never stopped. That's what differentiates CPTSD. I'm not a medical practitioner nor specialize in the field of psychology in any way but I do have a family member suffering with the condition.
Yes she could have cptsd maybe some traits of bpd but then again alot of ptsd or cptsd symptoms are similar to bpd, so could be just that, and she also obviously suffers from like a high functioning alcoholism.
Yes she was also abused 4:29 by Dorothy atleast emotionally as well, and even witnessed someone getting abused can cause ptsd or cptsd, jessica witnessed Trish being abused multiple times by Dorothy.
Something that feels scarily real about Killgrave is that there is a shrivel of self awareness in him that’s buried by denial. When some people are confronted by the truth of how they’ve hurt people (and they don’t want to be a person who hurts people, whether it be to protect self image or because they view themselves as the hero of their own story) often times they don’t own up to it. They’ll latch on to any excuse. “It didn’t happen that way, and if it did it wasn’t that bad, and if it was I didn’t mean it, and if I did you probably deserved it” Killgrave wants his orders to be what his victims actually like. He understands what he does isn’t nice, but he’s never needed to change before so he’s both unwilling and doesn’t understand how to put in the effort to be better. It reminds me of the character AJ from the movie Barbarian. They both understand that maybe they should try to be better but the instant doing so feels like it’s going to be any work at all they go back to being selfish and latching onto excuses.
Killgrave is purple man After all from Comics who was After jessica hmm to bad i only see doctor who who tries to be a baddy but still fail since i see him only as the doctor from doctor who the goody no matter what
@kriegermaria9923 How did you miss the dark and terrible side of his Doctor? He played it brilliantly. That's why all the Doctors need a companion to stop them from becoming the most destructive force in the universe.
So, a little off topic but interesting comparison I’ve made. I’ve looked into the topic some people have made before. If God is all-powerful, why would he make a race that he knew would defy him. With Killgrave as an example, I think it’s pretty obvious. Controlling someone and having them work with you of their own choice, are two vastly different things with different emotions behind it. In a meeting, I know I’d feel more emotionally happy to talk to someone who could speak their own mind compared to talking to a Yes-Man who just says what I want to hear.
Hearing that all the Marvel shows on Netflix were moving to Disney Plus I. Went on a binging spree in a few months. Not knowing about how the shows had an order to them I first watched all of Daredevil, The Punisher, and then all of Jessica Jones before I started to follow the timeline. And while Daredevil was easily the best of these shows, Jessica Jones season 1 blew my mind and is easily #2 on seasons for the Marvel Netflix shows (with #1 being Daredevil season 3). Kilgrave is everything I want in a villain: Absolutely evil, but with backstory that makes us understand and kind of pity (at times) why he is so evil. He's also incredibly dangerous, active in his goal, and performed magnificently by David Tenant. He is definitely one of the best Marvel villains brought to the big screen. I swear though they better not reboot Jessica Jones. I hope what that article really means is a season 4 of Jessica Jones because I don't want Kilgrave or Tenant's performance to be erased.
It’s great to see someone talking about jessica jones again, that show was great despite its flaws i like what you’re doing with this channel and i’m eager to see more
Just finished this video, great work! I like the analytical approach. It was very interesting to watch! Also I absolutely agree with you on the point, that if Kilgrave really wanted to know if people consent to do the things he commands them to do, he could just have asked them what they would like to do/ ask whether they consent doing [insert whatever Kilgrave wants]! Asking people is not that hard ... Now I'm curious to check out some of the articles you linked in the description
-comes to youtube -does an amazing video analysis of a character -fades away (I'm joking hope Grad school is treating you well!You got this kick lifes ass!✨️)
Actually laughed out loud at the Bill Wurtz clip for our resounding "NO" What a fantastic first video! I really hope you continue on, I'd love to see what else you've had rattling around in a WIP folder for four years :D
Kilgrave's behavior strongly mirrors that of my narcissistic adoptive parents, my narcissistic ex, and occasionally my own behavior I was abused by narcissists from birth, and ended up gravitating towards narcissists as romantic partners later in life even after learning what they were and the inhuman things they were capable of remorselessly doing Sometimes, i find myself behaving in a way almost identical to that of a narcissist, or at least considering doing it. It's pretty hellish what abuse can make you do, say, and feel later in life - even when you're finally free of it. I have CPTSD due to the trauma I experienced throughout my entire life. It actively makes some things insanely difficult. I'm married, and sometimes i still find myself feeling like the little girl i used to be, isolated emotionally but always being observed, judged. My wife is not a narcissist, they've actually had a very similar life experience to mine, but sometimes i find myself wanting to hide away from everyone and everything. When i watched jessica jones for the first time, I didn't realize why it resonated with me so much, why i could relate so well to jessica That was before i learned what narcissistic abuse was.
Sorry for your experiences. And I think with Killgrave, we understand the victims of narcissists better. Before, there was often the thought: why didn't the victim leave the abuser, why even starting a relationship in the first place. And as we see how easily you can fall for a guy like Killgrave if you only know his surface, how after all we have seen of him, still feel sympathetic, even if we don't want to, it is a lot more easier to understand the conflicted feeling of victims of narcissists and psychopaths.
Kilgrave was my favorite MCU(adjacent?) villain. He got completely overshadowed by Vincent D'nofrio's Kingpin, which is also great, but Kilgrave was just stuck with me more
THAT WAS SO GOOD???? like i've been SCOURING the internet for an accurate and realistic analyzation of kilgrave (the best/worst mcu villain) and watching this just itched the scratch in my brain that was all my unsaid thoughts about him. your video essay perfectly encapsulates how i feel about him as a villain and makes me feel so much more seen in how i felt watching that series and being horrified at myself for at times feeling sympathy for his captivating and all-consuming love/obsession with jessica. of course after watching all this i can separate that delusion of love from his monstrous character, but in watching the show one of my favorite parts about it was how conflicted kilgrave as a villain made me feel. i think this also may be because of david tennants incredible acting but anyhow thank you so much for this vid. jessica jones forever one of my fav shows 👍
I'm very glad you decided to make this channel. The number of video essays of which I've watched 2 minutes and then clicked away is countless, but I watched this entire half-hour long video without even thinking once about turning it off.
Huh. I went the channel to find other videos by this same person, only to find this is the first one. If this the level of quality we can look forward to, I will absolutely subscribe. I await what comes next.
MAKE MORE VIDEOS I’ve watched this video so many times in the last 2 years since the first time I watched it (THE DAY IT CAME OUT BTW) and it’s really great and you’re really great
In regard to a disney-ified killgrave I would maybe do something like the Earth's Mightiest Hero's cartoon, where he is still menacing and powerful, but just has different motives. Nowhere as near as good as the Jessica Jones version but I see it as the most likely route where he gets his hands on someone and puppeteers them to carry out his own goals (the show had him control Stark to take over the world but there's plenty of other candidates). Personally I think having Killgrave show up in a show around a more underdog/weaker superhero would be the best, it's usually where he as a character shines best.
amazing analysis! as a literature student so very invested in everything made by (netflix's) marvel/film in general i immensely enjoyed this. i do agree that within the marvel community, people often talk about how amazing jessica jones season one is but this is genuinely the first time ive watched anyone analyze it yet ive already seen dozens of videos analyzing the other (netflix) marvel shows.
Your video and analysis is absolutely fascinating! I think that other than Loki, Killgrave is the best marvel villain. And David is such a great actor! I can’t believe how long it took me to watch this show. The end scene is amazing and when she finally kills him I screamed so happily. And holy shit you did such a great job tying it into the world together!
0 subscribers? Well you got one from me - No one watched this show when it came out and it was really unique and challenging as far as the super hero story goes. so glad to see a well made video essay about Tennant's portrayal of Killgrave.
Incredible video!! I forgot just how amazing JJ season 1 was because season 2 felt so lackluster and I've only seen parts of 3. You managed to say everything I felt about why Killgrave is such a great character, and one of the best, and most terrifying villains ever put on a TV screen, and you connected everything to real emotions, and how complicated and complex his character is. Yes he is by verry definition "Evil" and commits horrible acts, and it would be one thing to just look at those acts and say he's unredeemable, but you point out, despite how bad it sounds, and how awful he is, there is a part that hopes he can be redeemed, but he shows time and time again why he's not worthy of redemption. It does make me think of an alternate universe, where Jessica decides to be his prisoner for the greater good and try to use his powers for everyone's benefit. Would world peace be achieved? Did stabbing him put her own feelings ahead of what was truly right and by sacrificing living her iwn life could she have created a better lif for the whole world? Or would Killgrave have gotten board of the hero gig and even Jessica and eventually not follow Jessica's orders anymore? So many questions.
Excellent video on a topic that, as you say, is criminally underrated and talked about. Kilgrave is still one of my favorite villains in all of television (do we even call it television anymore?). Have a comment to appease the algorithmic gods.
As a father, the scene where he tells the man who gives him a ride to place his child on the side of the road because the infant child is crying makes my blood boil.
The first 3 minutes was just… perfection! Then, well you know what problem creators like this leave a first time viewer with. They keep getting better as the video goes on!! Then you look on their channel and have to work a binging session into your schedule. Absolutely great video.
Absolutely astonishing video about the best villain in Marvel's series universe (what ever is called). The only thing I would ask is to leave the "pause to read it" for like a second or two longer, because by the time I understood what it was and went to pause it, it was already gone and I had to rewind to pause it. Other than that tho, awesome analysis.
A great video! I love JJ and Killgrave is a favorite villain. A perfectly executed story about abuse and trauma. I imediately subscribed to your channel and I hope to see more videos in the future!
Don’t know who you are, but I thank for recognizing killgrave and how he was more dangerous than the mad titan himself. Also it’s funny how he is know as the purple man
15:28 don't worry about it I know I can just stop watching at this very moment but I've looked all over RU-vid and so far you're the only channel talking about this series and I've been trying to get a commenting a few channels to do that for some time so until I get the resources to do the same you're my only hope I'm sticking to you for the rest of this video give it your all girl 👍
This video is so good and well-thought out, I hope your channel comes back soon. I mean, obviously prioritize your health and well-being but it would be great to have more content
Killgrave: *get hit by public transit* Jessica Jones: "yo this is bussin'" Seriously tho, great video, thanks for your hard work bringing attention to a SERIOUSLY underrated villain.
david tenants performance was so good i genuinely occasionally found myself falling for his garbage and lies before remembering the awful awful things hes done
Thank you for this video. It was very interesting to watch ❤ In real life I would have hated Kilgrave with all my heart, but as a character I love him! And i think it's okay as long as it doesn't escape the fantasy land. I wish he actually changed and became a better person. Like bit by bit, step by step. It would be my favorite show then, because i dont see many other shows make realistic villian to not-so-villian arcs
I felt you did an excellent character analysis. I want to say Kilgrave did love Jessica, in a way only a superpowered narcissist would love someone. But I have to also admit that, as a narcissist what he was doing wasn't so much an obsession with Jessica, but in his twisted way, the obsession with himself and his power so he is grieving over a loss of complete control in his life and ultimately dies because he could not accept a world where Jessica was immune to his power.
Or were he couldnt get her love but thats the piont you cant force love life isnt a wish concert he never known the word no he hates it dud his parents love him no did jessica love him no did he want love yes without using his powers yes did he get it no
@kriegermaria9923 I can pity him and his outlook on life, but still condemn his actions. He was raised by abusive parents and unable to form healthy relationships, especially when confronted by boundaries. But that's what makes narcissism so dangerous, the use of empathy to manipulate others. When confronted by such things in real life, we must accept the guilt that they communicate to us while proclaiming our respect for our boundaries.
I chuckled at Disney friendly. Gosh they made a docu about Pamela Anderson Sex tapes. They blocked a whole bridge in my town here to make a movie about the most famous police chief who went was discovered to have sex and drug scandals. Disney friendly is just now about their trademark...
this is an excellent video, i watched the first two parts before getting convinced to watch the show and i'm coming back to watch the full thing after s1. a brilliant analysis for a brilliantly written and acted villain. especially love the point about him being able to make jessica tell the truth, but not wanting to hear it.
Absolutely had to say Kilgrave was one of the most compelling villains of the Netflix Marvel Universe. It almost made me sad to not have him in the crossover with the Defenders. Like he should have been the big bad every had to team up against
It's understandable to empathize with Kilgrave a little, even with his twisted "victory" before Jessica reveals she's lying and snaps his neck. Because for as awful of a person he is, there is, on some level, something pure about his wants. He wants nothing more than to spend his life with the perfect partner. Granted, his delusional attachment to Jessica and his power to control people, and at one point her, completely distorts that desire into something sick and twisted, but it's not hard to empathize on some level if you yourself are capable of empathy. Especially when you consider the pure betrayal from his parents, who not only created this monster, but refused to even *try* to make amends and instead fucking _stabbed_ him. I don't think Kilgrave really could have been saved, his power just gets in the way of progress in that way, but let's be honest, if there _were_ any chance of it, his mother absolutely ruined it by trying to kill him. Kilgrave is so completely detached from his actions, he barely even recognizes doing something wrong, it doesn't register with him. In a way, as fucked up as it sounds, he's kind of... innocent. In the same way you don't blame an animal for hunting and killing its prey, I don't entirely hate Kilgrave for how he acts, either. If you're personally slighted by him, naturally you'd be angry and want revenge, but from a distance, I view him more as a virus than a monster (though he is that). He's the end result of a horrible childhood and too much power. Never able to feel real affection as a child because of his parents' cruel mistreatment in a blind attempt to save his life and still incapable of it well into adulthood because his power never let him have any real moments to connect with others. Which is all the more reason when Jessica kills him that I agree with her that it was a necessary evil. Kilgrave is pitiful, but he can't be viewed as a person. If there is any way to save him it would only be at the cost of a great many innocent people on the route to find that solution, because he is not going to stop torturing and killing people. He doesn't understand why it's wrong and literally only one person in the world could ever talk to him about it because he has the power to just shut everyone else up.
I be honest if his parents werent that awful and jessica loved him gabe him a chance he wouldnt be like this but they couldnt stand him so dontgave him chance it was hate at second glance
This is a very entertaining and excellent analysis. Spot on, thorough. And DT is great at playing a villain and making us want to like him so it’s important to break it down and focus on how awful this character is.
Falling in love with villains because of charming actors. I feel like Alan Rickman needs to also be a part of that conversation, especially for his portrayal of Snape in the Harry Potter franchise.
yeah... I wasn't a huge fan of Jessica Jones when it came out but I kept going back to it... and you articulated why. Trauma and PTSD is a bitch and it was difficult to watch because of how relatable it all was.
Wow for a channel with only one video so far I really like your style. I was kinda skeptical at first (no offense) because of the video length and how obscure your channel is, so I felt the video might have been slow and kinda just rambling (again I no offense it’s just my bias) but honestly your editing is pretty great and snappy, and works well with your humor, all the jokes work and don’t drag on at all, and fit well with your analysis and video. Am shocked this is your only video cause it already feels like you’ve got experience and have been doing this for a couple of years. Hope you do post more videos at some point cause this is something I can get behind. Sorry for not talking about the topic I have nothing substantial to really to say that you or others haven’t already said, and I was just genuinely surprised and impressed by the quality of this video
