@@Mrtrojano I wanted so many xiaomi and oneplus high end phones. Yet I could never get used to the curved screens. The only phone that has a curve but seems and feels flat is the s23u.
I don't feel that the curved glass is dated. In fact, I absolutely hate the flat slab Flintstone phones that seem to be all the rage. The curved glass makes it far more ergonomic. That's important when you consider that this phone is rather large. The flat edge phones are very difficult to hold comfortably. I'm glad that one plus resisted the tide and stuck with their design language.
I can see that. Many prefer the curved displays for me, I just have never been a fan honestly. I go without a case most of the time so for me It makes it a bit more difficult to hold/use in various scenarios but I do like it for consuming media etc..
@@drewlipps as they say, to each their own. Personally, I always use a case. In my opinion, phones cost way too much money not to protect them. Not to mention, I don't like getting them scratched up.
Understand that completely. I work from home, rarely leave the house lol so for me I'm rarely in a situation where my phone may fall, drop, etc.. I also have a manufacturing background and just appreciate the design, build, and hardware to cover with a case. This is where I do prefer Samsung, Apple, and Google in the US at least because of their support for display protection, etc.. Though Google and Samsung aren't nearly as great at offering Apple's AppleCare+, it is better than nothing for sure if something happens to your phone. @@dr.fitprofessor1970
@@drewlipps indeed, that's why I carry insurance. Lol. In fact, it practically makes repair unneeded. I use SquareTrade Allstate insurance and I've never had an issue. Most of the time, they just replace your device. I'm afraid cases are mandatory with me. I am a professor of exercise physiology and biomechanics at a major university here in southern california. However, I am also a professional trainer that spends a lot of time getting bumped around in the gym. Not to mention, I am a former NCAA division 1 wrestler of some note. To this day, I am still active on the mat.
@warchild6367 doesn't matter. All those specs and the software experience isn't even close. Crazy to brag about all that tech just for it to have no real impact on the user experience of the phone.
The reality is if you have a OnePlus after you're done with 4 years of updates you can still use a ROM especially if you load something like lineage ROM
The OnePlus 12 has 4 years of OS updates and 5 years of security updates. That's plenty long for most of us because by 5 years we are wanting a new device even if we don't need one.
If you wanna keep it on the long term it is the opposit. Quality build of Oneplus is on an other league. And even if you need to repair it, it will be waaaaay cheaper and easier to achieve. ALL the spare parts of my 7pro still are sold by Oneplus for a very reasonable price.
OnePlus12 just feels NICE. The design is absolutely amazing and eyecatching vs the 24U clinical design... so tempted to get it and keep my note 20 as back up (for spen and dex!)
OnePlus 12 just simply packs more overall value. Great super bright fast display, fast processor, great design, good cameras overall, and includes the super fast charger in the box.
Fingerprint unlock is way better on the Oneplus. So is face unlock. Ultrasonic is overrated. Never works as good as optical. Although it's supposed to be more secure.
Really? Fingerprint sensors seem identical in terms of performance to me. Both are quick, including Samsungs ultrasonic. Face unlock for OnePlus is fast but just not quite sure how secure it truly is.
I don't know why finding a case for the OnePlus 12 would be an issue. I have owned many OnePlus devices and I've never struggled to find a high-quality case from a major manufacturer. This would include manufacturers such as otterbox, poetic, spigen, uag, Tudia and let's not forget OnePlus's own high quality bumper cases. After all, it's not like we're talking about a xiaomi device. I would also like to address the updates. Samsung may have matched Google with 7 years of updates but, who is really going to use the same device for 7 years? At the rate of technological advances in the smartphone market, not too many people. To that end, I am perfectly fine with the four years of OS updates with 5 years of security patches available on the OnePlus 12. After all, Samsung up until recently offered the same update timetable. Frankly, 7 years of updates sounds more like a marketing tactic than a practical application.
Would be nice though (at least in North America) if they actually sent us the updates 🫠 still on November. Years ago oneplus prioritized pushing updates consistently but over the years stopped doing so, and stopped focusing really much at all on this market. NA feels like an afterthought now unfortunately.
In terms of what I mentioned about ‘support’ it was more specifically aimed at being able to get actual customer service, repairs, etc in North America. It is nice to see 7 years of updates but most people will never keep that phone for that long (average upgrade is nearly 3 years for all consumers). However Samsung is way more consistent with their updates than OnePlus. OnePlus has really slowed at pushing updates to NA.
@@drewlipps personally, I think every other month for a security patch is fine. Once more, that's exactly what they advertise so, it's not like they're hiding anything. In addition, you also have to consider that Samsung is a much larger corporation than BBK. As a result, they have more resources. Another huge difference is the fact that BBK has four highly unique smartphone brands to promote. Out of those four brands, 1 + is the only one that is on all seven continents. Some of those other brands are not even available in North america. There are two completely different corporate philosophies at work. As far as support is concerned, I've never really had an issue with oneplus. I usually call their toll free number and explain the issue and eventually the problem gets solved. Not to mention, I always look at things through the prism of insurance. If there is a huge problem I just make a claim and have done with it.
Oneplus 12 - cheaper, faster charge, nicer to hold on 1 hand S24 Ultra - better screen looks and design (flat, antiglare, more ppi...), better camera and zoom, LEAPS better speakers (the same as S23U, which is on par with iP16pm speakers), spen, somewhat better battery life, longer Android support...
Samsung Resale value in India is really bad for the trade-ins. I do think Software Support for the Samsung is gimmicky in a way as People are quick to adopt different gadgets within a year than wait for 7 years. Samsung is famous to deliver a lag post 1 to 2 year of Usage.
Used the OnePlus 7pro and 8 pro for years then went to a S23 ultra and now s24 ultra, the flat screen and the Anti glare tech that the s24 ultra has is a must now for me . Hopefully the OnePlus 13 has enough upgrades for me to go back to OnePlus.
Pretty much the unboxing experience for everything that price range here in the US at least except for the OnePlus 12. Sony doesn't even include cables anymore with some of the Xperia phones, just the phone and documentation lol
12R is pretty great value, I recommend the 12R over the Nothing Phone (2), Pixel 7a, Pixel 8, and a handful of similar devices within that price range. However when comparing to the S24 series, it's hard for me to recommend the 12R for example due to long term value. With OnePlus you get less trade in value long term, updates (at least in the US) are inconsistent with OnePlus, accessories like cases for example are limited, etc.. It get's harder to recommend the more OnePlus seems to stray from North America. Globally that may differ of course but I'm in the US, basing it off what I personally see happening here.
@drewlipps I got s21 ultra im deciding 12 or 12R I don't care about the cameras or the wireless charging, care about the battery the most and haptics and sound. What your advice?
If you trade in your S21U you'll get 550$ from Samsung towards the Ultra before discounts you'd be at 640$, for the OnePlus 12 you'd get 270$ trading in your same S21U, brining the OnePlus 12 to about 530$. The OnePlus 12R would be $329 with that same trade in value of $270. For the most value OnePlus 12 may be your best bet since you get great battery, fast charging, fast wireless charging, etc.. Otherwise S24U to S21U is a more seamless upgrade given similar OS, great support, etc.. @@timofeyo4002
I took advantage of the trade in any phone any condition for $100 off the OnePlus 12, and they did the upgraded ram (16gb) and storage (512 GB) for no charge currently. Getting that version for $699 vs the s24 for $1414. It's literally less than half the price right now. The trade in value on the s24 will be higher (as it should be at that price point), but that's assuming your phone isn't damaged or broken.
@@c0wbaitlol, nobody paid $1414 for the ultra. I got the 512 gb s24 ultra for $700 with a free tablet. With my 7 years of support (which is miles better than OnePlus), and an overall better phone I will take my deal over OnePlus any day. Plus it is nice to go away from that curved screen to a proper screen protector and better cases.
2 years of updates, an s pen and a telephoto lens is literally not worth the insane price difference between these 2 devices. Anyway you slice it the S24U is poor value next to the OP12.
One Plus screws up their older phones through their updates. So over time as your phone gets 1, 2 or 3 years old, OP will push updates that will cause the phones to heat up, they'll lose features that were previously there and if things get really bad, you also get green line on your display rendering them practically useless. As a current One Plus 8T user, I am speaking from personal experience.
BS, I'm a OnePlus 7 Pro owner since its release. Not a single hiccup, battery 1 day +, never, ever overheated - the only reason I'm chaging it is cuz it doesn't have eSim. Will be getting the OnePlus 13 which I'll be using for maybe a full decade.
@@finderskeepers7293 Nobody paid me anything. I wish they would have honestly, since it's somewhat fun to disprove your allegations about the phone's quality in general - and get paid for it in the process. Just because you had problems with your phone but the 95% rest of us didn't - doesn't mean the phone's not good. I am talking from my own personal experience. Whether you believe it or not that's your problem, not mine. I am not a Chinese products lover either but hands down this phone's amazing - I won't even mention its name again just to disprove your point. P.S Don't forget to drop the "paid by - that specific company - card on the other 95% who had good experiences with this phone. P.P.S Sorry for your bad experience with it. All the best.
Way ahead in charging speed? Way ahead in display? Way ahead in having a charger and a case in box? Way ahead in battery life or way ahead in camera quality with over saturated photos? Dont be a fan boy. Both of these devices have their pros n cons. I have used the s23 ultra and currently using op12 and both have their own strengths and issues.
@@dr.sanket how is op12 camera in comparison to s23 ultra? I m planning to switch from s23 ultra to op12. Camera quality is paramount importance for me
@@kashifkhan-xh9jq the difference between s23u and OnePlus 12 won't be that significant as compared to op12 and the newest s24u or other flagships. So a minor difference
With OnePlus their actual service / support (at least in North America) is pretty terrible. If you need to reach out to support etc. it's not ideal. Samsung has actual support that's proven to be pretty solid (not AppleCare+ level support but pretty solid overall). Plus there's actual Samsung locations you can physically go to for replacements/break fix. Long term as well updates are not only 7 years, but consistent. In the US especially OnePlus is gradually becoming more and more inconsistent with updates. Updates hit other markets with NA units not receiving updates for much later. It just feels like (at least in NA) OnePlus looks at this market as more of an afterthought now versus being as hyper focused on this market as before. Trade in values especially long term with OnePlus are barely existent at Best Buy, carriers, etc. here in the US also. You basically can only trade in back to OnePlus but don't always get the best deals where with Samsung they're constantly offering excellent trade in incentives.
yeah OnePlus in India specifically has really prioritized the market there, totally agree by market this will differ for sure. In the US lately though just feels like OnePlus has completely shifted focus here. Which is fine, the OnePlus 12 is still an absolute beast and excellent device, BUT while the S24U is more expensive (which most in the US never pay MSRP for a Samsung) I feel like long term here you get better value. My SIM is still in the OnePlus 12 though, there's a lot to like there. @@akshaysom
I've had many Samsung devices ultra 23, ultra 20, flip 5 and their newest laptop. I can say, customer service is terrible at best!! I had to drive over an hour to the California Samsung store so I could speak to someone in person. Just picked up a OnePlus 12 and I'm in love!!
OnePlus 12 is a solid phone for sure. That's crazy, I've had the opposite experience with Samsung but I swap devices quite often. The one issue I have with OnePlus is also inconsistent updates. They really prioritize every other market and just seems like it takes forever for OnePlus updates to drop here. Long term software support is simply better on Samsung devices but if you had a bad support experience, totally get it. OnePlus 12 is certainly still a great device I just see more long term value in the S24U in comparison personally. My sim of course is in the OnePlus 12 though :) @@michaelraull6861
The reason why I left Samsung and I have had everything from the Note 2 all the way to the note 9 was because they stopped including the charger after they got rid of the MicroSD card expansion and and the 3.5mm headphone jack. That being said if there's nothing that differentiates you from the competition and you're taking all the extras away and charging the most premium price and maybe I should go for look for somebody who can go and give me more for my money
Battery life isnt as good as they promote. I get 1.5 days max. Thats with typing haptics off, airplane mode on during sleep, auto brightness off, strandard screen resolution, and standard (60Hz) refresh rate. Still only 1.5 days.
Battery is amazing for sure. Not only does it last easily 1-2 days easily, charges incredibly fast. I also type without haptics but they are great haptics.
Man I used s22 ultra. Wanted the 24 ultra. But went with the OnePlus 12. And man o man I don't regret it. The comfort is so important. The monstrous battery life. The beautiful display, the smoothness, the price to performance, the great camera, the software not as good as one UI but still great. Love it. Oh and the charging speed. 🫡
